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British Rail Southern Region design
2 EPB
(Nos.5701–5795 & 5800)


2 EPB 5748 @.jpg

2 EPB 5748 (sometime between June 1964 & September 1968) held at
Hoo Junction with a Charing Cross to Gillingham service (via Bexleyheath)
© BloodandCustard

 

The first BR design 2-car suburban units were ordered on 29th April 1953 and began emerging from Eastleigh works early in 1954 and were numbered from 5701 upwards. These units were constructed on BR standard 63' 5" underframes from Ashford and mounted on new BR Mark 1 bogies. Eighty units were built, mainly for use with 4-car units on the South Eastern division to enable the inauguration of the ‘10-car scheme’ on that division; this being an attempt to ease serious overcrowding. However, other units were diagrammed singly on the South London & Wimbledon ‑ West Croydon shuttle services and pairs of units were sometimes used to cover 4-car sets.

Unit no.5701 was delivered in December 1953 and ran trials including passenger services over the South London line from March 1954. The first phase of the ‘10-car scheme’ was operative from 13th June 1954 using units nos.5701 – 5711. Single units started working on the South London and Wimbledon - West Croydon lines from 20th September 1954 following delivery of units up to no.5719; further units (up to no.5727) followed shortly after.

The second stage of the ‘10-car scheme’ in June 1955 required units nos.5728 - 5752 though not all were ready in time. The remaining units up to no.5778 were required for the final two stages of this scheme, implemented in summer 1956 (stage 3) and April 1957 (stage 4).

Once all units were in service the nominal allocation of units was ten to the Central section (two Wimbledon - West Croydon, three South London line and five for Tattenham /Caterham line 10-car trains) with two spares; units nos.5701 - 5712 being the nominal allocation to the Central section. The remaining sixty units were for the Eastern section 10-car workings.

These units were the first to be built to the new ‘BR Standard design’ and differed in appearance from the ‘SR type’ 4 EPBs with which they were to work, with a different bodyside profile, cab end details, doors with a single droplight (no oval light above the droplight) and many other detail differences. However, the overall concept was very similar and many later coaches, some for other regions and non-corridor loco-hauled coaches followed the basic design pattern of these vehicles.

Motor Brake Second

The units comprised a motor brake second, seating 84 in two 4 bay saloons and a driving trailer second seating 102. The MBS had the driver’s cab, entered via the adjacent guard’s brake, then the passenger accommodation. Each 42 seat saloon had a full width seat for six at each end, with three sets of free standing back-to-back seating between, that on the offside (when cab of MBS leading) seating three aside, whilst the nearside ones were two aside.

Driving Trailer Second

The DTS had the driver’s cab, entered from a full width entrance vestibule, a further four bay 42 seat open saloon, and five full width compartments with six‑a‑side seating. In this coach the three aside seating was nearside (when cab of DTS was leading) so the gangways were offset to the same side in both coaches of the unit.

 

A train travels down the tracks

Description automatically generated

Unidentified six-car 2 EPB formation immediately south of Polhill Tunnel on Thursday, 4th September 1958.

© Ben Brooksbank (CC-by-SA/2.0)

 

Units Described

It was intended to couple these vehicles with an intermediate buckeye coupler. However, after the first was completed, it was found that the unit length would cause problems at certain ‘tight’ locations so the centre buffer and chain three link coupling (as used on the ‘SR type’ 4 EPB units) was substituted thus shortening the overall unit length by 8" to 132' 8˝". Only the underframes of the first eleven units were built to accommodate buckeyes.

Each vehicle was 63' 11˝" long, the motor coach weighed 40 tons, the driving trailer 30 tons. Overall seating capacity was 186 and weight 70˝ tons.

Situated at the end of the unit under the driver’s cab on the motor coach, the motor bogie was equipped with two EE 507 250hp motors with suburban gear ratio, the trailer bogies having plain bearing axleboxes.

Electrical equipment of the ‘1951 type’ was supplied by EE. When delivered, both vehicles were classified as third class, though they became second from 3rd June 1956 and are shown as MBS and DTS in these notes though their initial classification had been MBT and DTT.

Whilst these units were under construction, a batch of fifteen similar units ordered at the same time as the first eleven BR(S) units, were also being constructed at Eastleigh for use on Tyneside, and the motor coach number series was broken after the first eleven SR units to accommodate the fifteen Tyneside vehicles, though the DTSs were numbered in a separate series. These ‘Tyneside’ units later returned to the SR and became 2 EPB units 5781 ‑ 5795.

The BR(S) units became 2 EPB units 5701 to 5778. Units 5701 to 5727 (ordered 29th April 1953) entered service in 1954, units 5728 to 5752 (ordered 30th April 1954) entered service in 1955 and units 5753 to 5778 (ordered 29th August 1955) entered service in 1956.

A further unit numbered 5779 was ordered on 15th May 1956 (under HOO 4280) to replace 2 NOL 1853 lost in the Barnes accident of 2nd December 1955. Entering service in June 1958, its motor coach number followed on from the first batch of 2 HAP units 6001 ‑ 6042.

Units from 5759 onwards had slight electrical differences in the motor coach, the ‘no current’ relay becoming a ‘no volt’ relay altering the MBS vehicle electrical code (which were allocated to all vehicles about 1963) from CQ to CQ‑1A. The first eleven units had MG air intake grilles on the bodysides of the MBSs though these were later panelled over and the first twenty seven units had a slightly different style of seating supports. Three units were loaned for a while to the SWD during 1956.

A further unit numbered 5779 was ordered on 15th May 1956 (under HOO 4280) to replace 2 NOL 1853 lost in the Barnes accident of 2nd December 1955. Entering service in June 1958, its motor coach number followed on from the first batch of 2 HAP units 6001 ‑ 6042.

 

Additional Unit Builds

Unit no.5779 was ordered on 15th May 1956 (under HOO 4280) to replace 2 NOL 1853 which was lost in the Barnes accident of 2nd December 1955. Entering service in June 1958, its motor coach number followed on from the first batch of 2 HAP units 6001 ‑ 6042.

Unit no.5766 was destroyed in the St Johns accident in December 1957 and a replacement unit, (numbered 5800) was ordered 2nd February 1959 on authority of HOO No. 4572. The MBS was added to an order for 4 EPB vehicles; the DTS was a single vehicle LOT number.

Replacement unit no.5800 entered service 15th January 1960; this differed from the earlier units in being equipped with ‘1957 type’ electrical gear. Furthermore, it differed from all others by having the emergency batteries located under the DTS instead of the MBS, this coach weighing 31 tons rather than 30 tons of the earlier vehicles. As such it was the only BR-design /built 2 EPB not to have roof conduits. The MBS also differed by having an 8' 9" long brakevan (diagram 414) as opposed to the standard 2 EPB length of 8' 11˝" (diagram 400).

 

2 EPB 5702 @ where copyright BloodandCustard.jpg

2 EPB no.5702 MBS no.65301 at Gillingham
(from 1977-on when the class no. stickers
started being applied to November 1980)

© BloodandCustard

 

LOT Numbers

Lot numbers for these vehicles were as follows:

 

Unit
No.

Coach
Nos.

LOT
No.

HOO
No.

Date Ordered

SR
Code

Diagram No.

BR
Code

5701-11

65300-10
77500-10

30114
30115

3760
3760

29-Apr-53
29-Apr-53

CQ
DV

400
420

EB2.69.0A
EE2.64.0A

5712-27

65326-41
77511-26

30119
30120

4017
4017

29-Apr-53
29-Apr-53

CQ
DV

400
420

EB2.69.0A
EE2.64.0A

5728-52

65342-66
77527-51

30167
30168

4100
4100

30-Apr-54
30-Apr-54

CQ
DV

400
420

EB2.69.0A
EE2.64.0A

5753-58

65367-72

30314

4152

29-Aug-55

CQ

400

EB2.69.0A

5759-78

65373-92

30314

4152

29-Aug-55

CG-1A

400

EE2.69.1A

5753-78

77552-77

30315

4152

29-Aug-55

DV

420

EE2.64.0A

5779

65435
77578

30388
30390

4280
4280

15-May-56
15-May-56

CQ-1A
DV

400
420

EB2.69.1A
EE2.64.0A

5781-95

(MLV)

65311-25
77100-14
68000

30116
30117
30118

4021
4021
4022

29-Apr-53
29-Apr-53
29-Apr-53

CQ-4C
DV
-

422
429
499

EB2.68.1A
EE2.63.1A
-

5800

61624
75636

30582
30584

4572
4572

2-Feb-59
2-Feb-59

CS
DAC

414
420

EB2.71.0A
EE2.65.0A

 

Around 1958 the 2 EPB units suffered bogie problems and a modification programme to upgrade them was undertaken during 1958; the rebuilt bogies now being classified as Mark 3D. Subsequently (from late 1986) all units progressively received Mark 4 bogies from withdrawn 2 HAP and DEMU stock, these were similar to the Mark 3, but had roller bearings.

Shortage of units during 1958 following the loss of unit 5766 and units 5705 & 5751 being out of use for damage repairs led to the temporary withdrawal of the units from the Wimbledon to West Croydon line, being replaced there by 2 HAL & 2 NOL units, the 2 EPBs returning by 18th February 1959.

Units began to be fitted with two-tone air horns from mid-1963, unit 5701 being the first in September 1963 during overhaul at Eastleigh.

Six units were disbanded during November 1964, their driving trailers being converted for DEMU operation and used as the driving trailers for the six 3R ‘Tadpole’ units for the newly dieselised Reading ‑ Tonbridge service. The spare motor coaches were used to replace accident damaged vehicles in ‘SR type’ 4 EPB units and used with ‘SR type’ trailers to form ‘new’ 4 EPB units 5261 and 5262. Subsequently, ‘1957’ unit 5800 was disbanded and its DTS used to reform one of the earlier disbanded units again. The units for ‘Tadpole’ conversion were all taken from the first batch of eleven units to facilitate the refitting of a buckeye coupler to the non-cab end of the DTS for DEMU operations.

 

Unit formations were as follows with completion date shown and new unit numbers with date renumbered as follows:

Unit

New

MBS

DTS

New no.

Date

Diag. No.
Code

 

400
CQ

420
DV

 

 

5701

31-Dec-53

65300

77500

Disbanded

Nov-64

5702

2-Apr-54

65301

77501

6202

c.Mar-85

5703

12-Apr-54

65302

77502

6203

c.Feb-85

5704

15-Apr-54

65303

77503

Disbanded

Nov-64

5705

26-Apr-54

65304

77504

6205

c.Mar-85

5706

30-Apr-54

65305

77505

6206

c.Apr-85

5707

5-May-54

65306

77506
77566
77506

6207

Dec-84

5708

13-May-54

65307

77507

Disbanded

Nov-64

5709

14-May-54

65308

77508

Disbanded

Nov-64

5710

21-May-54

65309

77509

75636 #1

6210

c.Mar-85

5711

27-May-54

65310

77510

Disbanded

Nov-64

5712

13-Aug-54

65326

77511

6212

c.Feb-85

5713

17-Aug-54

65327

77512
77529
77512

6213

c.Mar-85

5714

27-Aug-54

65328

77513

6214

Oct-84

5715

1-Sep-54

65329

77514

6215

Aug-84

5716

7-Sep-54

65330

77515

6216

c.Feb-85

5717

15-Sep-54

65331

77516

6217

Sep-84

5718

25-Sep-54

65332

77517

6218

Oct-84

5719

30-Sep-54

65333

77518

6219

c.Feb-85

5720

5-Oct-54

65334

77519

6220

May-85

5721

10-Oct-54

65335

77520

6221

Oct-84

5722

15-Oct-54

65336

77521

6222

c.Feb-85

5723

22-Oct-54

65337

77522

6223

Nov-84

5724

29-Oct-54

65338

77523

6224

Dec-84

5725

5-Nov-54

65339

77524

6225

Aug-84

5726

11-Nov-54

65340

77525

6226

c.Jan-85

5727

22-Nov-54

65341

77526

6227

c.Mar-85

5728

27-Apr-55

65342

77527

6228

Aug-84

5729

7-May-55

65343
14405
#2
65409
#3
65343

77528
77573
77528

6229

Aug-84

5730

4-May-55

65344

77529
77512
77529

6230

Nov-84

5731

15-May-55

65345

77530

6231

c.Feb-85

5732

20-May-55

65346

77531

6232

May-85

5733

4-Jun-55

65347

77532

6233

Aug-84

5734

4-Jun-55

65348

77533

6234

Oct-84

5735

28-Jun-55

65349

77534

6235

c.Apr-85

5736

30-Jun-55

65350

77535

6236

Oct-84

5737

5-Jul-55

65351

77536

6237

c.Mar-85

5738

8-Jul-55

65352

77537

6238

Apr-85

5739

8-Jul-55

65353

77538

6239

c.Apr-85

5740

26-Jul-55

65354

77539

6240

Aug-84

5741

29-Jul-55

65355

77540

6241

Sep-84

5742

5-Aug-55

65356

77541

6242

c.Apr-85

5743

12-Aug-55

65357

77542

6243

c.Feb-85

5744

26-Aug-55

65358

77543

6244

Aug-84

5745

3-Sep-55

65359

77544

6245

c.Mar-85

5746

9-Sep-55

65360

77545

6246

Dec-84

5747

16-Sep-55

65361

77546

6247

c.Mar-85

5748

27-Sep-55

65362

77547

6248

c.Mar-85

5749

30-Sep-55

65363

77548

6249

c.Apr-85

5750

7-Oct-55

65364

77549

6250

c.Feb-85

5751

19-Oct-55

65365

77550

6251

Feb-85

5752

28-Oct-55

65366

77551

6252

Aug-84

5753

13-Apr-56

65367

77552

6253

Jul-84

5754

2-May-56

65368

77553

6254

Jul-84

5755

26-Oct-56

65369

77554

6255

Oct-84

5756

28-May-56

65370

77555

6256

Aug-84

5757

8-Jun-56

65371

77556

6257

Mar-85

5758

26-Oct-56

65372

77557

6258

c.Oct-84

Code

 

CQ-1A

 

 

 

5759

20-Jun-56

65373

77558

6259

Nov-84

5760

11-May-56

65374

77559

6260

Nov-84

5761

6-Jul-56

65375

77560

6261

Sep-84

5762

11-Jun-56

65376

77561

6262

Jul-84

5763

29-Jun-56

65377

77562

6263

Nov-84

5764

18-Jul-56

65378

77563

6264

c.Oct-84

5765

28-Jul-56

65379

77564

6265

Jul-84

5766

11-Jul-56

65380

77565

Withdrawn

4-Dec-57

5767

25-Aug-56

65381

77566
77506
77566

6267

Sep-84

5768

28-Aug-56

65382

77567

6268

Sep-84

5769

3-Sep-56

65383
14206
#4
65307 #5

77568

6269

c.Oct-84

5770

5-Sep-56

65384

77569

6270

Aug-84

5771

17-Sep-56

65385

77570

6271

Sep-84

5772

21-Sep-56

65386

77571

6272

Sep-84

5773

29-Sep-56

65387

77572

6273

Aug-84

5774

5-Oct-56

65388

77573

6274

Aug-84

5775

13-Oct-56

65389

77574

6275

Aug-84

5776

19-Oct-56

65390

77575

6276

Aug-84

5777

5-Nov-56

65391

77576

6277

Aug-84

5778

9-Nov-56

65392

77577

6278

Aug-84

5779

14-Jun-58

65435

77579

6279

Sep-84

 

‘1957 type’ unit

Diag No.
Code

 

414
CS

420
DAC

 

 

5800

15-Jan-60

61624

75363

Disbanded

4-Mar-64

 

Notes:

#1

‘1957 type’ DTS, code DAC.

 

#2

‘SR type’ 4 EPB MBS, diagram 2129, code CP.

 

#3

‘BR type’ 2 SAP MBS, code CQ-3A.

 

#4

‘SR type’ 4 EPB MBS, diagram 2129, code CP.

 

#5

MBS code CQ

 

 

 

2 EPB 5760 @ East Croydon 24 Feb 74 (2) copyright Dave Smith.jpg

Conduit detail of 2 EPB 5760 on 24th February 1974
 © Dave Smith

 

Allocations

Units were used on all three sections of the Southern Region and routine maintenance was carried out at Slade Green (SE), Selhurst (Ctl) and Wimbledon Park (SW) with major overhauls carried out and Eastleigh and from 1961 running gear overhauls at Chart Leacon (previously these were undertaken at Lancing). Units were also repainted at Selhurst.

The allocation of units remained fairly static following the loss of the six units disbanded late in 1964. By 1972 (when depot allocations were introduced) units 5733, 5734, 5757 to 5760 and 5781 to 5794 were at Selhurst, 5752 to 5756 at Wimbledon Park with the remainder at Slade Green. The small number working on the South Western were supplemented the thirty four ‘SR type’ 2 EPB units on the Windsor/Weybridge services.

Allocations varied over the years, the ‘SR type’ 2 EPBs later moving to the Central section in exchange for BR types (including all the ex. Tyneside units) by 1978 leaving only 5752 to 5755 at Selhurst, with 5756 upwards at Wimbledon Park and the remainder at Slade Green.

In 1972 the units were allocated the BR TOPS class number 413; this being later amended in 1975 to 416 and again revised to 416/2 subsequently and all units were renumbered into a new series 6202 ‑ 6279 from July 1984, though this was not completed until May 1985.

From late 1978 all units were fitted with simplified AWS equipment; all being completed by about 1981.

Introduction of the new Class 455 units on the SWD and later on the CD displaced the 2 EPB units to the SED during the early 1980’s.

 

2 EPB 577X @ Addiscombe.jpg

2 EPB 577x at Addiscombe
© BloodandCustard

 

Liveries
Units 5701 – 5779, 5781 – 5795 & 5800

All units entered service in all-over green livery, and from early 1964 received small yellow warning panels on cab ends, unit 5711 being amongst the first so treated, being released thus 14th January 1964. The following units later gained full yellow ends with green livery:

5702

5703

5705

5707

5712

5714

5717

5722

5723

5725

5727

5736

5740

5741

5742

5746

5747

5748

5749

5750

5751

5752

5758

5769

Units started to be painted all-over blue from July 1966 with unit 5763 being the first blue repaint at Eastleigh works with ‘paint date’ 1st July 1966; all receiving this livery complete with full yellow ends. The last units to run in green livery were 5742 and 5748; these being painted blue in July 1971. The following units had blue ends with small yellow panels when first repainted blue but were subsequently repainted again to standard:

5739

5753

5755

5760

5763

5764

5765

5772

5773

5775

A change of policy led to all units being repainted in blue /grey from the early eighties; units 5760 and 5773 being the last running in plain blue in March 1984. The facelifted units were also turned out in this scheme. However, these facelifted units (nos.6225 /6229 /6241 /6249) all eventually received the new Network SouthEast livery and several unfacelifted units also appeared in this scheme, though many were withdrawn still in blue /grey livery.

 

 

Number

Green Yellow Warning Panel

Green Full Yellow End

Blue Yellow Warning Panel

Blue Full
Yellow End

Blue /Grey

Renumbered

5701

Disbanded

 

 

 

 

 

5702

30-Nov-64

16-Oct-68

No

14-Apr-71

c.Nov-80

6202

5703

21-Jan-65

16-Nov-68

No

14-Apr-71

Dec-83

6203

5704

(8-Nov-65)

Disbanded

 

 

 

 

5705

12-Aug-65

12-Nov-68

No

6-Apr-71

Dec-83

6205

5706

2-Oct-64

No

No

4-Oct-69

Dec-82

6206

5707

n/a

1-Aug-68

No

1-Oct-69

Jan-83

6207

5708

27-Jan-64

Disbanded

 

 

 

 

5709

22-Jul-64

Disbanded

 

 

 

 

5710

4-Apr-64

No

No

17-Nov-69

12-82

6210

5711

14-Jan-64

Disbanded

 

 

 

 

5712

11-Jun-65

22-Sep-67

No

20-Nov-70

c.May-81

6212

5713

20-Aug-64

No

No

17-Apr-70

Feb-83

6213

5714

Not known

18-Jun-68

No

15-Apr-71

Apr-82

6214

5715

27-Apr-64

No

No

9-Apr-69

c.Nov-82

6215

5716

Not known

No

No

17-Jul-69

Oct-82

6216

5717

6-Jan-66

8-Aug-68

No

6-Apr-71

Mar-82

6217

5718

31-Jul-64

No

No

22-Dec-69

Jan-83

6218

5719

26-Sep-64

No

No

Sep-70

13-Jun-80

6219

5720

Not known

No

No

4-Apr-70

c.Jan-83

6220

5721

May-64

No

No

31-Jan-70

Jan-83

6221

5722

29-Jul-64

27-Jun-68

No

Aug-70

?-80

6222

5723

9-Oct-64

11-Sep-67

No

12-Nov-70

c.Dec-80

6223

5724

16-Sep-64

No

No

20-Oct-70

c.May-82

6224

5725

27-Aug-64

13-Dec-67

No

18-Mar-70

Jan-83

6225

5726

19-Mar-64

No

No

18-Mar-70

c.Aug-82

6226

5727

14-Oct-64

5-Jun-68

No

15-Dec-70

c.Feb-81

6227

5728

8-Apr-64

No

No

27-Jun-69

Dec-82

6228

5729

3-Sep-64

No

No

20-Oct-70

Sep-83

6229

5730

26-Sep-64

No

No

by Feb-70

Apr-82

6230

5731

30-Nov-64

No

No

31-Oct-70

Apr-83

6231

5732

Not known

No

No

23-Apr-69

c.Aug-82

6232

5733

2-May-64

No

No

by Oct-69

Dec-82

6233

5734

1-Jul-64

No

No

26-Apr-69

Apr-82

6234

5735

22-Jul-64

No

No

22-Oct-70

c.Dec-80

6235

5736

6-Jan-65

30-Nov-67

No

by Mar-70

c8-80BG

6236

5737

6-Oct-64

No

No

16-Feb-70

2-Jul-80

6237

5738

8-Feb-64

No

No

30-Oct-69

Dec-82

6238

5739

Not recorded*

No

21-Nov-66

26-Aug-69

Feb-84

6239

5740

17-Aug-64

13-Oct-67

No

4-Dec-69

Dec-82

6240

5741

19-Nov-64

12-Jan-68

No

Dec-70

Nov-83

6241

5742

31-Jan-64

?-68

No

6-Jul-71

c.Sep-82

6242

5743

Not known

No

No

28-Aug-70

Jan-83

6243

5744

7-Apr-64

No

No

1-Sep-70

Feb-83

6244

5745

21-Jul-64

No

No

23-Sep70

31-Oct-80

6245

5746

Not known

16-Feb-68

No

11-May-71

c.Aug-82

6246

5747

8-Dec-64

13-Nov-67

No

25-Nov-70

Oct-83

6247

5748

18-Jun-64

25-Sep-68

No

6-Jul-71

c.Nov-82

6248

5749

27-Oct-64

18-Mar-68

No

4-Dec-70

21-Oct-80

6249

5750

26-Oct-64

22-Nov-67

No

by Feb-70

19-Sep-80

6250

5751

8-May-64

30-Oct-67

No

by Oct-70

c.Nov-82

6251

5752

17-Aug-64

16-Oct-68

No

3-Jun-71

c.Feb-82

6252

5753

Not recorded*

No

17-Jan-67

19-Aug-70

Dec-81

6253

5754

28-Apr-64

No

No

14-Aug-70

Dec-83

6254

5755

Not recorded*

No

19-Sep-66

22-Mar-69

Mar-82

6255

5756

27-Feb-64

No

No

21-Mar-67

Dec-81

6256

5757

Not known

No

No

30-Jun-67

24-Jan-81

6257

5758

1-Jun-65

13-May-68

No

11-Jul-70

c.Aug-83

6258

5759

Not known

No

No

7-Jun-67

Jan-84

6259

5760

Not recorded*

No

3-Feb-67

22-Oct-69

Feb-84

6260

5761

Not known

No

No

24-Apr-67

16-Jan-81

6261

5762

Not known

No

No

12-Apr-67

c.Feb-82

6262

5763

Not recorded*

No

1-Jul-66#A

by Aug-69

Jan-84

6263

5764

Not recorded*

No

19-Jul-66

25-Jul-69

Feb-84

6264

5765

Not recorded*

No

19-Sep-66

8-Apr-70

Feb-82

6265

5766

Withdrawn

 

 

 

 

 

5767

Not known

No

No

20-Oct-67

18-Feb-81

6267

5768

Not known

No

No

24-May-67

Feb-82

6268

5769

1-Jun-65

22-Nov-67

No

3-Dec-70

Dec-83

6269

5770

Not known

No

No

5-May-67

Apr-82

6270

5771

Not known

No

No

14-Aug-67

c.May-81

6271

5772

Not recorded*

No

11-Nov-66

4-Apr-70

Feb-84

6272

5773

Not recorded*

No

24-Aug-66

24-Jan-69

Feb-84

6273

5774

Not known

No

No

31-Mar-67

c.Feb-81

6274

5775

Not recorded*

No

20-Oct-66

by Oct-70

Apr-82

6275

5776

Not known

No

No

20-Jun-67

C.May-81

6276

5777

8-Feb-66

No

No

9-Apr-69

Jan-84

6277

5778

Not known

No

No

23-Jul-69

c.Nov-82

6278

5779

27-Apr-65

No

No

22-Jun-67

Mar-81

6279

5800

26-Oct-64 #C

 

 

 

 

 

 

Ex. Tyneside 2 EPB units

5781

Not known

No

No

8-Mar-69

by May-81

6281

5782

Not known

29-Aug-67

No

6-Mar-70

Jan-83

6282

5783

Not known

16-Feb-68

No

17-Aug-70

c.May-81

6283

5784

Not known

5-Feb-68

No

20-Mar-71

c.May-81

6284

5785

Not known

No

No

17-Jul-70

c.Jan-83

6285

5786

Not known

No

No

5-Jun-70

13-May-81

6286

5787

Not known

No

No

6-Sep-68

By May-81

6287

5788

Not known

10-Apr-68

No

24-Sep-70

c.Jul-81

Withdrawn

5789

Not known

No

No

23-Apr-69

16-Jun-81

6289

5790

Not known

18-Mar-68

No

18-Aug-70

Jan-81

6290

5791

Not known

?-68

No

22-Dec-70

c.Jan-82

6291

5792

Not known

12-Jan-68

No

3-Jun-70

4-Mar-81

6292

5793

Not known

1-May-68

No

10-Mar-70

c.May-81

6293

5794

Not known

10-Apr-68

No

8-May-70

c.May-81

Withdrawn

5795

Not known

No

No

23-Aug-68

Jul-81

Withdrawn

Notes:

Dates for green units receiving yellow warning panels stated where known. The 1963 conversion of the Tyneside units to BR(S) may have been undertaken immediately prior to the commencement of the application of yellow warning panels in 1964; the works records not shewing a livery change at the time of conversion.

* It is possible that these units did not receive yellow warning panels.

#A First in blue livery

#B Last in green livery

#C MBS to unit 5352

 

 

2 EPB 5732 + 73 @ Strood.jpg

Wintery conditions pair 2 EPB 5732 and unidentified class 73 at Strood
© BloodandCustard

 

 

TOPS

The units were allocated the BR TOPS class number 413 in 1972, this being later amended to 416 in 1975, and again revised to 416/2 subsequently and all units were renumbered into a new series 6202 ‑ 6279 from July 1984, though this was not completed until May 1985.

 

BR type 2 EPB unit no.5749 undergoing repairs (believed to be Slade Green Repair Shops about December 1981). Its Mark 3D motor bogie is standing in front of the motor coach.

© Late Alan Hawes collection

 

AWS

All units were fitted with simplified AWS equipment from late 1978, all being done by about 1981. Introduction of new Class 455 units on the SWD and later on the CD displaced units to the SED during the early 1980’s.

AWS equipment was fitted* /made operational# in these units as follows:

 

Unit

Date

Unit

Date

Unit

Date

Unit

Date

5702

Oct-80

5724

Apr-80

5743

Mar-80

5762

by May-81

5703

cJul-81

5725

Feb-80

5744

Apr-80

5763

Jul-81

5705

19-Aug-65*

5726

Apr-80?

5745

by May-81

5764

Apr-81

5705

Sep-81#

5727

by May-81

5746

by May-81

5763

Jul-81

5706

Nov-79

5728

Nov-79

5747

Oct-81

5764

Apr-81

5707

by May-81

5729

by May-81

5748

Jun-79

5765

by Jul-81

5710

Dec-79

5730

Mar-80

5749

Jun-79

5767

May-79

5712

Sep-79

5731

Jul-80

5750

Aug-80

5768

Mar-81

5713

Jun-80

5732

Feb-79

5751

Sep-79

5769

Jan-82

5714

Dec-78

5733

by Nov-81

5752

by May-81

5770

Jul-81

5715

Aug-79

5734

Nov-78

5753

by Sep-81

5771

by Jul-81

5716

Oct-79

5735

Nov-80

5754

Oct-81

5772

Mar-81

5717

Jul-81

5736

Aug-80

5755

Sep-81

5773

Apr-81

5718

Jan-80

5737

by Nov-81

5756

Mar-81

5774

by May-81

5719

May-80

5738

Oct-79

5757

by Jul-81

5775

by May-81

5720

Dec-79

5739

by May-81

5758

Jun-81

5776

Jul-81

5721

Feb-80

5740

Nov-79

5759

by May-81

5777

by May-81

5722

Jul-80?

5741

Jun-81

5760

by May-81

5778

Jun-79

5723

Nov-80

5742

May-79

5761

by May-81

5779

by May-81

 

 

 

Looking a bit sorry for itself, 2 EPB (R) unit no.6407 stands in a deserted Addiscombe station on Monday 30th Jan 1995 working the 'poppers' to Elmers End.
© John Atkinson

 

Facelifting
(REV-PRO & COM Units)

As with the 4 EPB units, a facelift programme commenced from June 1985, units so treated being reclassified class 416/4 and renumbered in a new series upwards from 6401 in order of shopping. Eighteen units were dealt with, the first nine later having detail modifications to assist guards with fare collection, these ‘Revenue Protection’ units (unofficially known as REV‑PRO units) being used mainly on the Strood ‑ Paddock Wood and Sittingbourne ‑ Sheerness routes where conductor guard working was employed.

Like the facelifted BR 4 EPB units, all passenger accommodation was now in open saloons, the motor coach now seating 82, the driving trailer 92. However, the RevPro units had additional internal doorways cut between the guard’s compartment and the passenger saloon, reducing the seating capacity to 80, and in the driving trailer, a similar doorway into the cab entrance vestibule, reducing the seating capacity to 90. The guard was able to ‘ring‑away’ the train from this cab vestibule, enabling him to restart the train from either end. Overall seating capacity of facelift units was therefore 174, reduced to 170 on the RevPro sets.

These units were fitted with improved draught proofing and heating, fluorescent lighting and PA system during facelift. Due to public disquiet over passenger attacks in compartment stock, the non-facelifted examples were restricted mainly to peak-hour services from April 1988, being shown in operating publications as 2 COM units, facelifted examples not so restricted being shown as 2 EPB (R).

From 1988, those units not facelifted and now shown as 2 COM units in operating publications began to have a red cantrail stripe added along the compartment section of the DTS to indicate the closed compartment section. Bogies were also changed with the oil axlebox type replaced by roller bearing ones recovered from withdrawn DEMU and 2 HAP units. Upon withdrawal, units were mostly worked to Bournemouth depot under their own power for some electrical stripping and component recovery before being hauled away to Gwent Demolition at Margam for scrapping.

Two non-facelifted units (nos.5738 & 5740) were ‘opened-out’ at Slade Green in April 1984; the MBS into one large saloon seating 82, the DTS into two semi saloons of four & five bays seating 94 thus reducing overall seating capacity to 176.

Relatively few units were reformed over the years and a start on withdrawals was made on non-facelifted examples from mid 1991, the lack of any blue asbestos insulation in these units making them considerably longer lived than many of the later BR type 2 HAP and 4 EPB units. Units started to be withdrawn in numbers early in 1993 following the delivery of new Class 465 /466 ‘Networker’ units, the last 2 EPB units surviving into January 1995.

Individual Unit Notes

No.

Notes

5701

Unit at Eastleigh between 20‑May-63 and 20‑Sep-63, damaged? (details unknown, possibly a bogie trial as unit back at Eastleigh for bogie change 13‑Nov-63 to 5‑Dec-63). Horns fitted.

Unit disbanded Nov-64 at Chart Leacon and DTS 77500 modified for use in 3R 1201, MBS 65300 to Eastleigh for store 6‑Dec-64, stored spare (at Micheldever?) until reformed there into ‘new’ 4 EPB 5261 and back to Eastleigh for overhaul 20‑Apr-65 and released 6‑Aug-65.

5704

Unit disbanded Nov-64 at Chart Leacon and DTS 77503 modified for use in 3R 1202, MBS 65303 to Eastleigh 4‑Jan-65, stored spare (at Micheldever?) until reformed there into ‘new’ 4 EPB 5262 and back to Eastleigh for overhaul 9‑Sep-65 and released 23‑Nov-65.

5705

Unit out of use damaged (details unknown) cJul-58 and not released from repairs at Lancing until 18‑Feb-59, and again during Dec-83. It was also fitted with AWS equipment during overhaul at Eastleigh between 28‑Jun-65 and 19‑Aug-65.

5706

Unit failed at Bingham Road 28‑Oct-61 then damaged in collision with 5746 sent to assist. Repaired at Slade Green.

5707

Unit exhibited at Willesden exhibition May 1954 when new.

Unit out of use damaged (details unknown) cMay-59.

MBS 65306 offside damaged in converging collision with 5331 at Gillingham depot 18‑Jun-62.

Unit in collision with 5767 at Orpington late 1978 and DTS 77506 temporarily exchanged with 77566 (ex 5767) until Mar-79.

5708

Unit at Chart Leacon for bogie modifications in June 1963 where DTS 77507 found to have underframe distorted at inner end, unit sent for store to Micheldever and arrived Eastleigh 29‑Nov-63 for repairs, released 24‑Jan-64 repainted green with small yellow panels.

Unit disbanded Nov-64 at Chart Leacon and DTS 77507 modified for use in 3R 1203, MBS 65307 to Eastleigh 6‑Dec-64, stored spare (at Micheldever?) until back to Eastleigh for overhaul 8‑Mar-65 and formed into SR 4 EPB 5247 from 14‑May-65.

5709

DTS 77508 damaged in buffer stop collision in Selhurst depot 4‑Sep-62, lifted at Slade Green.

Unit disbanded Nov-64 at Chart Leacon and DTS 77508 modified for use in 3R 1204, MBS 65308 to Eastleigh 4‑Jan-65 stored spare (at Micheldever?) until reformed there into ‘new’ 4 EPB 5262 and back to Eastleigh for overhaul 9‑Sep-65 and released 23‑Nov-65.

5710

Unit disbanded at Wimbledon Park Nov-64 and DTS 77509 modified for use in 3R 1205, MBS 65309 stored spare at Micheldever until reformed there May-65 with DTS 75636 (ex disbanded 5800) and unit to Eastleigh for overhaul 5‑May-65.

DTS 75636 modified to work with ‘1951 type’ motor coach, although retained some ‘1957 type’ features such as miniature circuit breakers in place of fuses and unit released 14‑May-65.

5711

Unit disbanded at Wimbledon Park Nov-64 and DTS 77510 modified for use in 3R 1206, MBS 65310 stored spare at Micheldever until reformed there Apr-65 into ‘new’ 4 EPB 5261 and unit to Eastleigh for overhaul 20‑Apr-65 and released 6‑Aug-65.

5713

MBS 65327 damaged and DTS 77512 temporarily exchanged with damaged 77529 (ex 5730) late 1976 and unit out of use until repairs completed when reverted.

5714

Unit into traffic from 20‑Sep-54. Unit to Eastleigh 6‑Dec-78 for protracted C1 overhaul, not released until 6‑Mar-79.

5715

Unit damaged in shunting collision at Addiscombe depot 22‑Dec-61.

The 8†25pm 10-car train ex.Hayes berthed in No. 2 Siding at 8.42pm, the 10†45pm 6-car train ex.Hayes intended to berth in No. 1 Siding but due to an oversight the hand points were still set for No. 2 Road with the result that the 6-car train ran into the rear of the 10-car train, pushed the buffer stops back and derailed the Driving Trailer bogie, also causing buffer locking between the 3rd and 4th vehicles of the 6-car train.

All centre buffers and auto couplers damaged throughout and some underframe damage, time of mishap 10.56pm, stock cleared 8.0am, breakdown crane in attendance.

Berthed 10-car train - stops.

Unit no.5715 2 EPB DTS 77514 Driving Trailer bogie derailed with other damage. MBS 65329 rubbing plate bent

Unit no.5038 4 EPB (MBS 14075        + TSO 15138 [2 centre buffers] + TS 15163 + MBS 14076) received minor damage.

Unit no.5149 4 EPB (MBS 14297 + TS 15227 + TSO 15277 [2 centre buffers] + MBS 14298) mior damage plus underframe longitudinals bent.

10.45pm 6-car train.

Unit no.5758 2 EPB (DTS 77557 + MBS 65372) received minor damage.

Unit no.5102 4 EPB (MBS 14203 + TSO 15155 [2 centre buffers] + TS 15180 + MBS 14204) received minor damage.

Subsequently units nos.5038 & 5149 were steam hauled to Slade Green 8.7pm 28-Dec-61. No. 5149 will be OK for service 21-Jan-62. Units 5102, 5715 & 5758 remained at Addiscombe until release of 8 car then to Slade Green.

5729

DTS 77528 sidescrape damaged 29‑Apr-76 at Cannon Street when hit by derailed 5146 and MBS 65343 temporarily formed with 65388 (ex 5774) as 2 EPB ‘power unit’ 5801 Dec-76 for AWS trials with test coach ‘Mars’ ADB975032. DTS 77528 held for repairs with DTS 77573 (ex 5774) as 5729, being stored at Plumstead by late 1976 awaiting repair at Slade Green.

Unit 5801 disbanded Aug-77 and in Sep-77 DTS 77528 to 5774 (with 65388) though this unit remained stopped until Mar-78. Unit 5729 at this time consisted of 65343 and 77573 (ex 5774), but reverted to original formation from Mar-78 though still out of use.

MBS 65343 had the internal partition removed Jul-78 reducing the seating capacity to 82.

MBS 65343 replaced in unit by SR type MBS 14405 (ex 5203) from Aug-78 to Nov-78, this coach seating 82, reducing unit capacity to 184, then by BR type MBS 65409 (ex 2 SAP 5917) and unit used as de-icer pilot. Reverted to original formation from Apr-79, though now non‑standard seating capacity of 184.

5730

Unit in converging collision with 6119 at Slade Green 14‑Oct-61 and side of DTS 77529 damaged. Unit to Micheldever pending repairs at Eastleigh.

DTS 77529 damaged (where?) and temporarily exchanged with 77512 (ex 5713) late 1976.

5731

Unit leading 5768 when run-into by 4669 + 4382 at Peckham Rye station 30‑Jan-63. DTS 77530 slight damage.

5732

Unit to Eastleigh 26‑Feb-79 for protracted C1 overhaul, not released until 11‑May-79.

5734

Unit possibly damaged about November 1978? as to Eastleigh 17‑Nov-78 for protracted C1 overhaul, not released until 16‑Feb-79.

5737

MBS 65351 damaged in collision with 6037 at Gillingham depot 23‑May-81 but repaired.

5738

Compartments opened-out at Slade Green in April 1984 as experiment, the MBS as one saloon seating 82, the DTS as two saloons seating 94, giving a unit total of 176.

5740

MBS 65354 damaged about September 1969 (details unknown) and unit to Eastleigh 10‑Oct-69 for C6 repair and overhaul, released 10‑Dec-69 in blue livery.

Compartments opened-out at Slade Green in April 1984 as experiment, the MBS as one saloon seating 82, the DTS as two saloons seating 94, giving a unit total of 176.

5742

Unit struck by 5349 which had taken two roads in Slade Green depot 20‑Nov-63 and cab offside corner of MBS 65356 damaged. Unit to Eastleigh for repairs arriving 26‑Nov-63 and released 31‑Jan-64.

5743

DTS 77542 cab damaged in collision with 5603 in Gillingham depot 22‑Aug-61 and unit to Micheldever pending repairs at Eastleigh.

5746

Unit sent to assist failed 5706 at Bingham Road 28‑Oct-61 then damaged in collision with it and repaired at Slade Green.

5747

MBS 65361 damaged in sidescrape collision with 5192 at Slade Green May-75 and stored damaged at Crystal Palace by 16‑May-75, but repaired at Clapham Yard.

5750

Unit slightly damaged in derailment in Gillingham depot 13‑Dec-61. MBS 65364 coupled temporarily with DS70268 (ex 2 HAL MBS 10726 from unit 2608) from February 1968 pending completion of conversion of second vehicle for de-icer 001. Reverted back about September 1969, unit 5750 being out of use for this period.

5751

DTS 77550 damaged in derailment at Borough Market Junction 12‑Aug-58 and unit to Lancing for repairs, released 17‑Feb-59.

5753

Unit used for retarder control trials in 1973, often between Farnham and Alton and back to traffic Jun‑74. Also used at various times subsequently for brake block tests and restricted to Wimbledon - West Croydon line for certain periods.

5754

Unit used for retarder control trials in 1973, often between Farnham and Alton and back to traffic Jun-74. Also used at various times subsequently for brake block tests and restricted to Wimbledon - West Croydon line for certain periods.

5755

See note against unit 5760 below. Unit completed late and out of sequence (with 5758), (reason unknown).

Unit (with 5305 & 5216) damaged in head-on collision (with 6118, 6103 & 6018) in Gillingham depot 6‑Dec-62.

Unit damaged in collision with 5152 and 5160 in Selhurst depot 4‑Jul-74 but repaired.

5756

Unit new with experimental Girling disc brakes and ran so fitted until converted to normal during overhaul at Eastleigh between 12‑Dec-63 and 28‑Feb-64.

Unit used mostly on the South London line and was not usually permitted to work alone whilst so equipped. A sample working for unit, published for week 22nd to 26th August 1960 showed rear of 2†50 pm Selhurst depot to London Bridge (4 x 2 EPB units), then front of 3.48 London Bridge to Victoria. Unit then ran solo on 4.26, 5.26 and 6.27 to London Bridge and 4.57 and 5.57 London Bridge to Victoria. It then returned to Selhurst depot as leading unit of 7†00 ECS from London Bridge.

Unit was slightly damaged in Selhurst depot 12‑Jul-62 when DTS 77555 took two roads and derailed during shunting, lifted at Selhurst.

5757

MBS 65371 slightly damaged cOct-72 (where?) and repaired at Selhurst.

5758

Unit completed late and out of sequence (with 5755), (reason unknown).

Unit damaged in shunting collision at Addiscombe depot 22‑Dec-61.

The 8†25pm 10-car train ex.Hayes berthed in No. 2 Siding at 8.42pm, the 10†45pm 6-car train ex.Hayes intended to berth in No. 1 Siding but due to an oversight the hand points were still set for No. 2 Road with the result that the 6-car train ran into the rear of the 10-car train, pushed the buffer stops back and derailed the Driving Trailer bogie, also causing buffer locking between the 3rd and 4th vehicles of the 6-car train.

All centre buffers and auto couplers damaged throughout and some underframe damage, time of mishap 10.56pm, stock cleared 8.0am, breakdown crane in attendance.

Berthed 10-car train - stops.

Unit no.5715 2 EPB DTS 77514 Driving Trailer bogie derailed with other damage. MBS 65329 rubbing plate bent

Unit no.5038 4 EPB (MBS 14075        + TSO 15138 [2 centre buffers] + TS 15163 + MBS 14076) received minor damage.

Unit no.5149 4 EPB (MBS 14297 + TS 15227 + TSO 15277 [2 centre buffers] + MBS 14298) mior damage plus underframe longitudinals bent.

10.45pm 6-car train.

Unit no.5758 2 EPB (DTS 77557 + MBS 65372) received minor damage.

Unit no.5102 4 EPB (MBS 14203 + TSO 15155 [2 centre buffers] + TS 15180 + MBS 14204) received minor damage.

Subsequently units nos.5038 & 5149 were steam hauled to Slade Green 8.7pm 28-Dec-61. No. 5149 will be OK for service 21-Jan-62. Units 5102, 5715 & 5758 remained at Addiscombe until release of 8 car then to Slade Green.

5760

Unit built as 5755 but renumbered before entering service out of sequence (reason unknown). Unit used as de-icer pilot based at Bournemouth in autumn of 1981.

5761

Unit built with prototype camshaft control equipment.

Unit out of use (damaged?) c.May-59.

5766

Unit wrecked in the St Johns collision 4‑Dec-57 and withdrawn, officially 28‑Dec-57 (However, CM&EE record card states 3-Jan-58). Remains of both coaches hauled to Hither Green sidings 5‑Dec-57 and scrapped there 11‑Jan-58.

5767

Unit in collision with 5707 at Orpington late 1978 and MBS 65381 damaged. DTS 77566 exchanged with damaged 77506 (ex 5707). Reverted to booked formation Mar-79 after repairs.

5768

Unit trailing 5731 when run-into (by 4669 & 4382) at Peckham Rye station 30‑Jan-63. Both coaches damaged and to Lancing? for repair.

5769

MBS 65383 damaged at Clapham (SLL) 24‑Jul-71 when in collision with bridge girder being moved by crane and cab crushed and withdrawn, but reinstated from 25‑Mar-72 after repairs and to SR 4 EPB 5246. Temporarily replaced in 5769 by ‘SR type’ 4 EPB saloon MBS 14206 (ex withdrawn 5103) from Sep-71 to Oct-71. In this form unit seated 174. MBS 14206 then exchanged with ‘BR type’ MBS 65307 (ex 4 EPB 5247, originally from 5708), and unit back to standard formation.

5771

Unit appeared at a renamed Merton Park station in a ‘The Edgar Wallace Mystery Theatre’ episode (Accidental Death released in November 1963).

5772

Unit built with various prototype features of 1957 stock and used only for various test purposes until entering ordinary traffic in May 1960. Unit used for the first trials on the Kent Coast ‘phase 1’ electrified lines in December 1958 between Gillingham and Rainham.

5774

Unit damaged (where?), possibly in collision with 6119 and DTS 77573 repaired at Selhurst by Nov-71.

DTS 77573 damaged again cJun-76, (where?) and MBS 65388 to temporary 2 EPB ‘power unit’ 5801 (with 65343 ex 5729) from Dec-76 to Aug-77 in connection with AWS trials with test coach ‘Mars’ ADB975032. DTS 77573 shown as part of 2 EPB 5729 for this period and unit 5774 temporarily disbanded. Unit reformed to normal in Aug-77 but then exchanged DTS 77573 with 77528 (ex 5729) from Oct-77 to Mar-78, when reverted back to original formation.

5778

Unit fitted for a while with experimental Andre Neidhart rubber suspension bogies at Lancing during January 1958 and used on trials between Lancing and Chichester. First test run 28‑Jan-58, though these bogies were not a success and unit soon reverted to standard.

Unit in converging collision with 5175 at Orpington depot 9‑Jul-63 and MBS 65392 damaged. Unit to Micheldever pending repairs at Eastleigh between 20‑Aug-63 and 1‑Nov-63.

5779

Unit damaged about September 1969 (details unknown) and to Eastleigh 10‑Oct-69 for C6 repair and overhaul. Released 17‑Nov-69.

5800

Unit built late 1959 and outshopped 15‑Jan-60 to replace 5766 lost at St Johns and had ‘1957 type’ electrical equipment.

Outshopped from varnishing 13-July-62, unit enter Lancing works again 17-Aug-62 DTS 75636 outshopped with experimental air sprung bogies 28-Aug-62 and used for trials. Further bogie mods were undertaken at Lancing between 26-Sep-63 and 23-Jan-63. Unit in Lancing between 27-Feb-63 and 11-Mar-63 for damage repair.

Unit disbanded 4‑Mar-64 at Micheldever and MBS 61624 to 4 EPB 5352 Jun-64. DTS 75636 spare and stored under cover at Micheldever (cushions removed) until later modified at Eastleigh to work with ‘1951 type’ motor coach and formed with 65309 (ex. store) to reinstate disbanded unit 5710 from Dec-64 (CM&EE record card states Jan-65)

                    

 

2 EPB Conduit and Roof Details

We have Dave Smith to thank for having the foresight to take these detail photographs back in the seventies.

 

2 EPB 5759 @ East Croydon 24 Feb 74 (1) copyright Dave Smith.jpg

Conduit detail on 2 EPB 5759
24th February 1974

© Dave Smith

 

2 EPB 5759 @ East Croydon 24 Feb 74 (2) copyright Dave Smith.jpg

2 EPB 5759 heads north towards East Croydon
24th February 1974

© Dave Smith

 

2 EPB 5785 Scan-140116-0008 copyright Dave Smith.jpg

2 EPB 5785 Roof Detail
© Dave Smith

 

2 EPB 5785 Scan-140116-0009 copyright Dave Smith.jpg

2 EPB 5785 Roof Detail
© Dave Smith

 

2 EPB 5785 Scan-140116-0010 copyright Dave Smith.jpg

2 EPB 5785 Roof Detail
© Dave Smith

 

 

1984 Unit Renumbering

All the 2 EPB units were renumbered officially as 6202 to 6279 from 12th July 1984 and this was carried out quite slowly as the last unit was not renumbered until May 1985. This to accord with their BR Class designation as class 416/2 in order to clear the number range upwards from 5701 for the second batch of new 455/7 units then being delivered.

All surviving units were dealt with but eighteen units were further renumbered as 6401 to 6418 from June 1985 to January 1987 as they were facelifted and reclassified as Class 416/4.

Units surviving in traffic after 1st April 1994 were allocated to ownership of Eversholt train leasing company under the BR privatisation arrangements, these units marked with an ‘E’ after the 62xx number.

 

Unit

Ex. unit

MBS

DTS

Withdrawn

Scrapped

Diag No.
Code

 

400
CQ

420
DV

 

 

6202 E

5702

65301

77501

5-May-94

Jun-94 G

6203

5703

65302

77502

14-May-93

See notes

6205

5705

65304

77504

14-May-93

See notes

6206

5706

65305

77505

Facelift 6406 15-Oct-85

-

6207

5707

65306

77506

13-May-91

Nov-91 B

6210

5710

65309

75636

Facelift 6409 19-Nov-85

-

6212

5712

65326

77511

30-Sep-91

Jun-92 G

6213 E

5713

65327

77512

18-Jan-95

See notes

6214

5714

65328

77513

Facelift 6416 25-Sep-86

-

6215

5715

65329

77514

Facelift 6404 7-Aug-85

-

6216

5716

65330

77515

Facelift 6407 29-Oct-85

-

6217 E

5717

65331

77516

6-Jan-94

See notes

6218

5718

65332

77517

30-Sep-91

Jun-92 G

6219

5719

65333

77518

Facelift 6411 16-Dec-85

-

6220

5720

65334

77519

Facelift 6410 3-Dec-85

-

6221 E

5721

65335

77520

24-Oct-94

Jan-95 G

6222

5722

65336

77521

11-Nov-91

See notes

6223 E

5723

65337

77522

19-Oct-94

Nov-94 G

6224

5724

65338

77523

24-Jan-94

Feb-94 G

6225 E

5725

65339

77524

15-Oct-94

Nov-94 G

6226 E

5726

65340

77525

4-May-94

Jun-94 G

6227

5727

65341

77526

18-Jan-93

See notes

6228

5728

65342

77527

Facelift 6408 13-Nov-85

-

6229

5729

65343
14349 #6

77528

12-Aug-91

Jun-92 G

6230 E

5730

65344

77529

4-May-94

Jun-94 G

6231

5731

65345

77530

12-May-93

Sep-93 G

6232

5732

65346

77531

Facelift 6401 19-Jun-85

-

6233

5733

65347

77532

Facelift 6405 10-Oct-85

-

6234

5734

65348

77533

Facelift 6415 21-Jul-86

-

6235 E

5735

65349

77534

7-Nov-94

Dec-94 G

6236 E

5736

65350

77535

26-Oct-94

Dec-94 G

6237 E

5737

65351

77536

7-Nov-94

Jan-95 G

6238

5738

65352

77537
77151 #7

30-Sep-91

See notes

6239

5739

65353

77538

13-Nov-92

See notes

6240 E

5740

65354

77539

5-Aug-94

Sep-94 G

6241

5741

65355

77540

18-Jan-93

See notes

6242

5742

65356

77541

Facelift 6403 16-Jul-85

-

6243

5743

65357

77542

20-Jan-92

See notes

6244

5744

65358

77543

30-Sep-91

Nov-92 B

6245 E

5745

65359

77544

16-Nov-94

Dec-94 G

6246

5746

65360

77545

Facelift 6418 7-Jan-87

-

6247

5747

65361

77546

12-May-93

Jun-93 G

6248

5748

65362

77547

Facelift 6402 3-Jul-85

-

6249 E

5749

65363

77548

11-May-94

Jun-94 G

6250

5750

65364

77549

Facelift 6412 11-Feb-86

-

6251 E

5751

65365

77550

24-Oct-94

Jan-95 G

6252

5752

65366

77551

Facelift 6417 11-Nov-86

-

6253

5753

65367

77552

14-May-93

See notes

6254

5754

65368

77553

Facelift 6414 20-May-86

-

6255

5755

65369

77554

10-Feb-94

Mar-94 G

6256

5756

65370

77555

6-Jan-94

Feb-94 G

6257

5757

65371

77556

13-May-91

Nov-91 G

6258

5758

65372

77557

Facelift 6413 11-Mar-86

-

Code

 

CQ-1A

 

 

 

6259 E

5759

65373

77558

18-Jan-95

East Kent Rly

6260

5760

65374

77559

26-Jan-94

Mar-94 G

6261

5761

65375

77560

10-Feb-94

Mar-94 G

6262

5762

65376

77561

26-Jan-94

Feb-94 G

6263 E

5763

65377

77562

11-Jan-95

Feb-95 G

6264 E

5764

65378

77563

14-Dec-94

Apr-95 G

6265 E

5765

65379

77564

14-Jan-94

See notes

6267 E

5767

65381

77566

10-Mar-94

Apr-94 G

6268 E

5768

65382

77567

10-Jan-94

See notes

6269

5769

65307

77568

18-Nov-91

Jul-92 G

6270 E

5770

65384

77569

2-Mar-94

Apr-94 G

6271 E

5771

65385

77570

4-May-94

Jun-94 G

6272

5772

65386

77571

19-May-93

Aug-93 G

6273 E

5773

65387

77572

11-Jan-95

Feb-95 G

6274 E

5774

65388

77573

10-Mar-94

Jun-94 G

6275 E

5775

65389

77574

10-Mar-94

Jun-94 G

6276

5776

65390

77575

13-May-91

Dec-91 G

6277 E

5777

65391

77576

2-Nov-94

Jan-95 G

6278

5778

65392

77577

26-Jan-94

Feb-94 G

6279

5779

65435

77578

11-May-87

Oct-87 M

 

 

 

 

 

 

Notes

#6

‘SR type’ 4 EPB MBS, diagram 2129, code CP

 

#7

2 HAP DTC, diagram 441, code DX

Key Letter Codes
for Scrap Dealer.

B

C. F. Booth, Rotherham.

G

Gwent Demolition, Margam.

M

Mayer Newman, Snailwell.

 

 

BR 2 EPB 6263 @ Wimbledon copyright BloodandCustard.JPG

2 EPB no.6263 leads a 6-car formation into Wimbledon
© BloodandCustard

 

 

 

Liveries
Renumbered 2 EPB units

Number

Blue /Grey

NSE

Later version, darker blue, curved upsweeps

Notes

Number

Blue /Grey

NSE

Later version, darker blue, curved upsweeps

Notes

6202

*c.Mar-85

 

wdn

6249

*c.Apr-85

Oct-92

wdn

6203

*c.Feb-85

 

wdn

6250

*c.Feb-85

 

r/n 6412

6205

*c.Mar-85

 

wdn

6251

*Feb-85

 

wdn

6206

*c.Apr-85

 

r/n 6406

6252

*Aug-84

 

r/n 6417

6207

*Dec-84

 

wdn

6253

*Jul-84

 

wdn

6210

*c.Mar-85

 

r/n 6409

6254

*Jul-84

 

r/n 6414

6212

*c.Feb-85

 

wdn

6255

*Oct-84

 

wdn

6213

*c.Mar-85

 

wdn

6256

*Aug-84

 

wdn

6214

*Oct-84

 

r/n 6416

6257

*Mar-85

 

wdn

6215

*Aug-84

 

r/n 6404

6258

*c.Oct-84

 

r/n 6413

6216

*c.Feb-85

 

r/n 6407

6259

*Nov-84

 

wdn

6217

*Sep-84

 

wdn

6260

*Nov-84

 

wdn

6218

*Oct-84

 

wdn

6261

*Sep-84

 

wdn

6219

*c.Feb-85

 

r/n 6411

6262

*Jul-84

 

wdn

6220

*May-85

 

r/n 6410

6263

*Nov-84

 

wdn

6221

*Oct-84

 

wdn

6264

*c.Oct-84

 

wdn

6222

*c.Feb-85

 

wdn

6265

*Jul-84

 

wdn

6223

*Nov-84

 

wdn

6267

*Sep-84

 

wdn

6224

*Dec-84

 

wdn

6268

*Sep-84

 

wdn

6225

*Aug-84

c.Jul-92

wdn

6269

*c.Oct-84

 

wdn

6226

*c.Jan-85

 

wdn

6270

*Aug-84

 

wdn

6227

*c.Mar-85

 

wdn

6271

*Sep-84

 

wdn

6228

*Aug-84

 

r/n 6408

6272

*Sep-84

 

wdn

6229

*Aug-84

May-89

wdn

6273

*Aug-84

 

wdn

6230

*Nov-84

 

wdn

6274

*Aug-84

 

wdn

6231

*c.Feb-85

 

wdn

6275

*Aug-84

 

wdn

6232

*May-85

 

r/n 6401

6276

*Aug-84

 

wdn

6233

*Aug-84

 

r/n 6405

6277

*Aug-84

 

wdn

6234

*Oct-84

 

r/n 6415

6278

*Aug-84

 

wdn

6235

*c.Apr-85

 

wdn

6279

*Sep-84

 

wdn

6236

*Oct-84

 

wdn

6281

*Sep-84

 

wdn

6237

*c.Mar-85

 

wdn

6282

*Sep-84

 

wdn

6238

*Apr-85

 

wdn

6283

*Aug-84

 

wdn

6239

*c.Apr-85

 

wdn

6284

*Aug-84

 

wdn

6240

*Aug-84

 

wdn

6285

*Aug-85

 

wdn

6241

*Sep-84

Jun-89

wdn

6286

*Aug-84

 

wdn

6242

*c.Apr-85

 

r/n 6403

6287

*Sep-84

 

wdn

6243

*c.Feb-85

 

wdn

6289

*Sep-84

 

wdn

6244

*Aug-84

 

wdn

6290

*Aug-84

 

wdn

6245

*c.Mar-85

 

wdn

6291

*Aug-84

 

wdn

6246

*Dec-84

 

r/n 6418

6292

*Aug-84

 

wdn

6247

*c.Mar-85

 

wdn

6293

*Aug-84

 

wdn

6248

*c.Mar-85

 

r/n 6402

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

                                     

No.

Notes

6202

Unit used as de-icer pilot based at Bournemouth in autumn of 1985. Unit withdrawn 5‑May-94 and moved for scrapping from Bournemouth to Gwent Demolition, Margam 2‑Jun-94. Both coaches cut‑up w/e 11‑Jun-94.

6203

Unit withdrawn 14‑May-93. MBS 65302 reformed with 65304 (ex 6205) for sandite duties and renumbered ADB977874 for unit 032, DTS 77502 for scrap with 77504 (ex 6205) at Gwent Demolition, Margam, moving from Eastleigh 15‑Jul-93 and cut‑up w/e 24‑Jul-93.

6205

Unit withdrawn 14‑May-93. MBS 65304 reformed with 65302 (ex 6203) for sandite duties and renumbered ADB977875 for unit 032, DTS 77504 for scrap with 77502 (ex 6203) at Gwent Demolition, Margam, moving from Eastleigh 15‑Jul-93 and cut‑up w/e 24‑Jul-93.

6206

Unit to Eastleigh for facelift 15‑Oct-85. Renumbered 6406, now seating 174.

6207

Unit withdrawn 13‑May-91 and moved from Strawberry Hill to Eastleigh for stripping 25‑Sep-91. Hauled from Eastleigh to Cricklewood 23‑Oct-91 and on to C. F. Booth, Rotherham for scrapping shortly afterwards.

6210

Unit to Eastleigh 19‑Nov-85 for facelift. DTS 75636 withdrawn there due to presence of blue asbestos and later scrapped by Vic Berry, Leicester, moving from Eastleigh to Cricklewood 16‑Mar-90 and on to Leicester 23‑Mar-90, formed with DTS 77107 (ex withdrawn 5788). Replaced in facelifted 6210 by 77113 (ex withdrawn Tyneside 2 EPB 6294). Unit renumbered 6409, now seating 174.

6212

Unit withdrawn 30‑Sep-91 and stored at Folkestone East. Moved to Bournemouth for stripping by May-92, and hauled for scrapping from Eastleigh to Gwent Demolition, Margam 19‑May-92. Both coaches cut‑up w/e 14‑Jun-92.

6213

Unit one of last two unfacelifted units in traffic and withdrawn 18‑Jan-95 and stored at Victoria (E) shed pending a possible preservation attempt. To Strawberry Hill 13‑Jun-95. Moved to Long Marston for further storage 26‑Mar-96, and on to Shoeburyness Mar-99. Sold to Railtrack as source of spares for de-icer/sandite units during 2000. Both coaches by road to C. F. Booth, Rotherham in October 2006, MBS 65327 arriving 2‑Oct-06 and cut‑up w/e 3‑Feb-07, DTS 77112 arriving 11‑Oct-06 and cut‑up w/e 21‑Oct-06.

6214

Unit to Eastleigh for facelift 25‑Sep-86. Renumbered 6416, now seating 174.

6215

Unit to Eastleigh for facelift 7‑Aug-85. Renumbered 6404, now seating 174.

6216

Unit to Eastleigh for facelift 29‑Oct-85. Renumbered 6407, now seating 174.

6217

Unit withdrawn 6‑Jan-94 and sent to Ramsgate for conversion into a ‘Route Learning Saloon’. Coaches renumbered into departmental series 65331 to 977917 and 77516 to 977918 and unit renumbered 931002. Cab ends of both vehicles rebuilt with four observation lights and all internal partitions removed and ramped seating for 16 fitted as an observation saloon at each end, these seating units recovered from withdrawn 4 CEP units. Gangway connection between coaches also fitted at this time. Unit into service cJun-95. Both vehicles allocated to Eversholt leasco though not in revenue use.

6218

Unit slightly damaged by fire cMay-85. Unit withdrawn 30‑Sep-91 and moved for scrapping from Eastleigh to Gwent Demolition, Margam 19‑May-92. Both coaches cut‑up w/e 14‑Jun-92.

6219

Unit to Eastleigh for facelift 16‑Dec-85. Renumbered 6411, now seating 174.

6220

Unit to Eastleigh for facelift 3‑Dec-85. Renumbered 6410, now seating 174.

6221

Unit withdrawn 18‑Jan-92 but reinstated again 16‑Mar-92. Finally withdrawn 24‑Oct-94 and moved from Wimbledon Park to Bournemouth for stripping 13‑Dec-94. Moved for scrapping from Bournemouth to Gwent Demolition, Margam 16‑Jan-95. Both coaches cut‑up w/e 21‑Jan-95.

6222

Unit withdrawn 11‑Nov-91. MBS 65336 converted at Selhurst to de-icer/sandite vehicle for unit 030 and renumbered ADB977804. DTS 77521 moved from Selhurst to Eastleigh for further stripping 13‑Nov-92, and scrapped at Gwent Demolition, Margam, moving from Eastleigh 19‑Nov-92 and cut‑up w/e 12‑Dec-92.

6223

Unit used as de-icer pilot based at Bournemouth in autumn of 1985. Unit withdrawn 19‑Oct-94 and moved for scrapping from Bournemouth to Gwent Demolition, Margam 8‑Nov-94. Both coaches cut‑up w/e 12‑Nov-94.

6224

Unit withdrawn 24‑Jan-94 and moved from Wimbledon Park to Bournemouth for stripping 4‑Feb-94. Moved for scrapping from Bournemouth to Gwent Demolition, Margam 17‑Feb-94. Both coaches cut‑up w/e 26‑Feb-94.

6225

Unit one of four unfacelifted examples painted into NSE livery cJul-92. Unit withdrawn 15‑Oct-94 and moved for scrapping from Bournemouth to Gwent Demolition, Margam 8‑Nov-94. Both coaches cut‑up w/e 26‑Nov-94.

6226

Unit withdrawn 4‑May-94 and moved to Bournemouth for stripping 5‑May-94. Moved for scrapping from Eastleigh to Gwent Demolition, Margam 19‑May-94. MBS 65340 cut‑up w/e 28‑May-94, DTS 77525 cut‑up w/e 4‑Jun-94.

6227

Unit on rear of 10 EPB involved in Cannon Street buffer stop collision 8‑Jan-91 and out of use until mid 1991. Unit gained ‘low down’ unit numbers above cab windows, the only unfacelifted one to do so. Unit withdrawn 18‑Jan-93 and MBS 65341 reformed with 65355 (ex 6241) and to Ilford 30‑Jan-93 for conversion to sandite unit. DTS 77526 formed with 77540 (ex 6241) and moved for scrapping from Eastleigh to Gwent Demolition, Margam 1‑Apr-93, and cut‑up w/e 18‑Sep-93. MBS 65341 to Derby 5‑Apr-93 for conversion as part of sandite unit 031, and renumbered ADB977864.

6228

Unit to Eastleigh for facelift 13‑Nov-85. Renumbered 6408, now seating 174.

6229

Unit one of four non-facelifted examples painted into NSE livery May-89.

Unit in collision with 4 EPB 5623 at Grove Park 4‑Aug-91 and withdrawn 12‑Aug-91. MBS 65343 to withdrawn SR type 4 COM 5515 and replaced by SR type MBS 14349 (ex 5281 recently reformed ex 5526) and unit stored at Maidstone West. Moved to Eastleigh for stripping 30‑Apr-92. Both 14349 and 77528 scrapped by Gwent Demolition, Margam, moving from Eastleigh 19‑May-92 and both cut‑up w/e 14‑Jun-92.

6230

Unit withdrawn 4‑May-94 and moved to Bournemouth for stripping next day. Moved for scrapping from Eastleigh to Gwent Demolition, Margam 19‑May-94. Both coaches cut‑up w/e 4‑Jun-94.

6231

Unit damaged by fire in adjacent 5614 at Gillingham Apr-93 and withdrawn 14‑May-93. Moved for scrapping from Bournemouth to Gwent Demolition, Margam 19‑Aug-93. Both coaches cut‑up w/e 11‑Sep-93.

6232

Unit to Eastleigh for facelift 19‑Jun-85. Renumbered 6401, now seating 174.

6233

Unit to Eastleigh for facelift 10‑Oct-85. Renumbered 6405, now seating 174.

6234

Compartments opened-out at Strawberry Hill during April/May 1985 as experiment, the MBS as one saloon seating 82, the DTS as two saloons seating 94, giving a unit total of 176. Unit to Eastleigh for facelift 21‑Jul-86. Renumbered 6415, now seating 174.

6235

Unit withdrawn 7‑Nov-94 and moved for scrapping from Bournemouth to Gwent Demolition, Margam 13‑Dec-94. Both coaches cut‑up w/e 17‑Dec-94.

6236

Unit withdrawn 26‑Oct-94 and moved for scrapping from Bournemouth to Gwent Demolition, Margam 29‑Nov-94. MBS 65350 cut‑up w/e 10‑Dec-94, DTS 77535 cut‑up w/e 17‑Dec-94.

6237

Unit withdrawn 7‑Nov-94 and moved for scrapping from Bournemouth to Gwent Demolition, Margam 22‑Dec-94. Both coaches cut‑up w/e 14‑Jan-95.

6238

Compartments opened-out at Slade Green in April 1984 as experiment, the MBS as one saloon seating 82, the DTS as two saloons seating 94, giving a unit total of 176. Unit withdrawn 30‑Sep-91 and used as de-icer pilot. DTS 77537 exchanged with damaged DTS 77151 (ex 4 CAP 3208) Nov-91 and unit stored until moved to Bournemouth for stripping 24‑Jun-92, then to Eastleigh 7‑Aug-92. Unit scrapped at M.C. Metals, Glasgow, moving from Eastleigh 2‑Oct-92 and arrived 24‑Nov-92, both coaches cut‑up 27‑Nov-92.

6239

Unit withdrawn 13‑Nov-92. MBS 65353 reformed with 65367 (ex 6253) for sandite duties, DTS 77538 for scrap with 77552 (ex 6253) moving from Eastleigh to Gwent Demolition, Margam 15‑Jul-93 and cut‑up w/e 24‑Jul-93. MBS 65353 renumbered ADB977871 and formed as part of unit 033.

6240

Compartments opened-out at Slade Green in April 1984 as experiment, the MBS as one saloon seating 82, the DTS as two saloons seating 94, giving a unit total of 176. Unit withdrawn 5‑Aug-94 and moved for scrapping from Bournemouth to Gwent Demolition, Margam 18‑Aug-94. Both coaches cut‑up w/e 1‑Oct-94.

6241

Unit one of four unfacelifted examples painted into NSE livery Jun-89. Unit withdrawn 18‑Jan-93 and MBS 65355 reformed with 65341 (ex 6227) and to Ilford 30‑Jan-93 for conversion to sandite unit. DTS 77540 formed with 77526 (ex 6227) and moved for scrapping from Eastleigh to Gwent Demolition, Margam 1‑Apr-93 and cut‑up w/e 18‑Sep-93. MBS 65355 to Derby 5‑Apr-93 for conversion as part of sandite unit 031, and renumbered ADB977865.

6242

Unit to Eastleigh for facelift 16‑Jul-85. Renumbered 6403, now seating 174.

6243

Unit withdrawn 20‑Jan-92. MBS 65357 converted at Selhurst to de-icer/sandite vehicle for unit 030 and renumbered ADB977805. DTS 77542 moved from Selhurst to Eastleigh for further stripping 13‑Nov-92 and scrapped at Gwent Demolition, Margam, moving from Eastleigh 19‑Nov-92 and cut‑up w/e 12‑Dec-92.

6244

Unit withdrawn 30‑Sep-91, though used as de-icer pilot at Brighton for a while. Stored at Selhurst then RAF Kineton from 11‑Jun-92 to 13‑Aug-92 prior to moving to Derby for investigation into proposed conversion into driving trailers for parcels services. This plan abandoned and unit sent to C. F. Booth, Rotherham for scrapping 11‑Nov-92.

6245

Unit used as de-icer pilot based at Eastleigh in autumn of 1984. Unit withdrawn 16‑Nov-94 and moved for scrapping from Bournemouth to Gwent Demolition, Margam 29‑Nov-94. Both coaches cut‑up w/e 10‑Dec-94.

6246

Unit to Eastleigh for facelift 7‑Jan-87. Renumbered 6418, now seating 174.

6247

Unit withdrawn 12‑May-93 and moved for scrapping from Bournemouth to Gwent Demolition, Margam 3‑Jun-93. Both coaches cut‑up w/e 19‑6‑93.

6248

Unit to Eastleigh for facelift 3‑Jul-85. Renumbered 6402, now seating 174.

6249

Unit one of four unfacelifted examples painted into NSE livery Oct-92. Unit used as de-icer pilot based at Eastleigh in autumn of 1984. Unit withdrawn 11‑May-94 and moved for scrapping from Bournemouth to Gwent Demolition, Margam 2‑Jun-94. Both coaches cut‑up w/e 11‑Jun-94.

6250

Unit to Eastleigh for facelift 11‑Feb-86. Renumbered 6412, now seating 174.

6251

Unit withdrawn 24‑Oct-94 and moved from Wimbledon Park to Bournemouth for stripping 13‑Dec-94. Moved for scrapping from Bournemouth to Gwent Demolition, Margam 16‑Jan-95. Both coaches cut‑up w/e 21‑Jan-95.

6252

Unit to Eastleigh for facelift 11‑Nov-86. Renumbered 6417, now seating 174.

6253

Unit withdrawn 14‑May-93. MBS 65367 reformed with 65353 (ex 6239) for Sandite duties, DTS 77552 for scrapping with 77538 (ex 6239) moving from Eastleigh to Gwent Demolition, Margam 15‑Jul-93 and cut‑up w/e 21‑Aug-93. MBS 65367 renumbered ADB977872 and formed as part of unit 033.

6254

Unit to Eastleigh for facelift 20‑May-86. Renumbered 6414, now seating 174.

6255

Unit withdrawn 10‑Feb-94 and moved for scrapping from Bournemouth to Gwent Demolition, Margam 3‑Mar-94. Both coaches cut‑up w/e 12‑Mar-94.

6256

Unit withdrawn 6‑Jan-94. Unit allocated departmental numbers for use as an accident exercise unit, 977919 for 65370 & 977920 for 77555. These were not applied however and the unit for scrapping, moving from Bournemouth to Gwent Demolition, Margam 3‑Feb-94. Both coaches cut‑up w/e 26‑Feb-94.

6257

Unit withdrawn 13‑May-91 and moved for scrapping from Eastleigh to Gwent Demolition, Margam 13‑Nov-91.

6258

Unit in sidescrape collision with 6324 at Selhurst 9‑Jan-86. Unit to Eastleigh for facelift 11‑Mar-86. Renumbered 6413, now seating 174.

6259

Unit one of last two unfacelifted units in traffic and withdrawn 18‑Jan-95 and stored at Victoria (E) shed pending possible preservation attempt. To Strawberry Hill 13‑Jun-95, and sold to the EPB Preservation Group 2‑Aug-95. Moved to Long Marston for further storage 20‑Mar-96 and subsequently to East Kent Railway at Shepherds Well by road, 65373 arriving 19‑Mar-97 and 77558 arriving 5‑Apr-97. Unit restored to green livery and interior restored to 1950's condition with advertisement frames etc. being restored in compartments. Unit first used in passenger service on 15‑Jul-00 being hauled by MLV 68001 on battery power to Eyethorne.

6260

Unit withdrawn 26‑Jan-94 and moved for scrapping from Bournemouth to Gwent Demolition, Margam 10‑Feb-94. Both coaches cut‑up w/e 5‑Mar-94.

6261

Unit withdrawn 10‑Feb-94 and moved for scrapping from Bournemouth to Gwent Demolition, Margam 3‑Mar-94. Both coaches cut‑up w/e 12‑Mar-94.

6262

Unit withdrawn 26‑Jan-94 and moved for scrapping from Bournemouth to Gwent Demolition, Margam 17‑Feb-94. Both coaches cut‑up w/e 26‑Feb-94.

6263

Unit withdrawn 11‑Jan-95 and moved for scrapping from Bournemouth to Gwent Demolition, Margam 30‑Jan-95. Both coaches cut‑up w/e 4‑Feb-95.

6264

Unit withdrawn 14‑Dec-94 and moved for scrapping from Bournemouth to Gwent Demolition, Margam 24‑Mar-95. Both coaches cut‑up w/e 8‑Apr-95.

6265

Unit withdrawn 14‑Jan-94 and MBS 65379 to Derby 9‑Feb-94 for conversion to departmental use. DTS 77564 for scrapping to Gwent demolition, Margam, moving from Eastleigh 27‑Sep-94 and cut‑up w/e 8‑Oct-94. MBS 65379 renumbered ADB977925 as part of sandite/de-icer unit 034. Both vehicles allocated to Eversholt leasco fleet from 1‑Apr-94.

6267

Unit withdrawn 10‑Mar-94 and moved for scrapping from Bournemouth to Gwent Demolition, Margam 14‑Apr-94. Both coaches cut‑up w/e 23‑Apr-94.

6268

Unit withdrawn 10‑Jan-94 and MBS 65382 to Derby 9‑Feb-94 for conversion to departmental use. DTS 77567 for scrapping to Gwent Demolition, Margam, moving from Eastleigh 27‑Sep-94 and cut‑up w/e 8‑Oct-94. MBS 65382 renumbered ADB977924 as part of sandite/de-icer unit 034. Both vehicles allocated to Eversholt leasco fleet from 1‑Apr-94.

6269

Unit withdrawn 18‑Nov-91 and moved from Wimbledon Park to Bournemouth for stripping 24‑Jun-92, then to Eastleigh 14‑Jul-92. Moved for scrapping from Eastleigh to Gwent Demolition, Margam 23‑Jul-92.

6270

Unit withdrawn 2‑Mar-94 and moved for scrapping from Bournemouth to Gwent Demolition, Margam 21‑Apr-94. Both coaches cut‑up w/e 30‑Apr-94.

6271

Unit withdrawn 4‑May-94 and moved to Bournemouth for stripping next day. Moved for scrapping from Eastleigh to Gwent Demolition, Margam 19‑May-94. Both coaches cut‑up w/e 4‑Jun-94.

6272

Unit withdrawn 19‑May-93 and moved for scrapping from Bournemouth to Gwent Demolition, Margam 22‑Jul-93. Both coaches cut‑up w/e 28‑Aug-93.

6273

Unit withdrawn 11‑Jan-95 and moved for scrapping from Bournemouth to Gwent Demolition, Margam 30‑Jan-95. Both coaches cut‑up w/e 4‑Feb-95.

6274

Unit withdrawn 10‑Mar-94 and stored at Plumstead until moved to Bournemouth for stripping 4‑May-94. Moved for scrapping from Bournemouth to Gwent Demolition, Margam 12‑May-94. Both coaches cut‑up w/e 18‑Jun-94.

6275

Unit withdrawn 10‑Mar-94 and stored at Plumstead until moved to Bournemouth for stripping 4‑May-94. Moved for scrapping from Bournemouth to Gwent Demolition, Margam 12‑May-94. Both coaches cut‑up w/e 18‑Jun-94.

6276

Unit withdrawn 13‑May-91 and moved for scrapping from Eastleigh to Gwent Demolition, Margam 26‑Nov-91.

6277

Unit withdrawn 2‑Nov-94 and moved for scrapping from Bournemouth to Gwent Demolition, Margam 22‑Nov-94. Both coaches cut‑up w/e 14‑Jan-95.

6278

Unit withdrawn 26‑Jan-94 and moved for scrapping from Bournemouth to Gwent Demolition, Margam 1‑Feb-94. MBS 65392 cut‑up w/e 19‑Feb-94, DTS 77577 cut‑up w/e 26‑Feb-94.

6279

Unit withdrawn 11‑May-87 due to presence of blue asbestos insulation and stored at Streatham Hill. After stripping at Selhurst unit to Fratton 23‑Sep-87, moved for scrapping from Fratton to Mayer Newman, Snailwell 25‑Sep-87, arriving 29‑Sep-87. DTS 77578 burnt 8‑Oct-87 and MBS 65435 burnt 9‑Oct-87.

                            

               

 

2 EPB 6402 @.jpg

Allocated to Gillingham depot 2 EPB 6402 approaching Sittingbourne with the
shuttle from Sheerness-on-Sea (between October 1985 and February 1989)
© BloodandCustard

 

 

Facelifted Unit Formations

Class 416/4, 2 EPB (R)

Release dates from works after facelifting are shown below unit numbers. All units were facelifted at Eastleigh works and outshopped in blue /grey livery. They were all allocated to Slade Green depot for SED suburban workings.

Units nos.6401 ‑ 6409 had detail modifications for revenue protection carried out at Slade Green (two were done at Selhurst) early in 1986, these then seated 170 (MBS 80, DTS 90) and the design code was amended, whilst units 6410 ‑ 6418 seated 174 (MBS 82, DTS 92) with unaltered design codes. The modified units (6401 – 6409) were then allocated to Gillingham depot from 12th May and worked mostly on the Sheerness branch and between Strood and Paddock Wood.

Vehicle codes of unit 6413 were MBS CY-2A and DTS DAM-1A as this was only unit taken from higher numbered batch of originals.

Unit 6412 was briefly loaned to Selhurst from 16th June 1986, otherwise these units spent their whole lives on the SED.

Units all later gained NSE livery (Later version, darker blue, curved upsweeps) during subsequent repaints; unit 6403 being the first done in February 1989. All except 6401 survived to be allocated to the Eversholt train leasing company from 1st April 1994 under the BR privatisation arrangements.

 

Unit

Date

MBS

DTS

Ex Unit

Rev-Pro mod

Withdrawn

Scrapped

Code

 

CY-3B

DAM-3B

 

 

 

 

6401

13-Sep-85

65346

77531

6232

Feb-86 SG

15-Feb-93

See notes

6402 E

16-Oct-85

65362

77547

6248

Apr-86 SG

23-Mar-95

Jul-03

6403 E

1-Nov-85

65356

77541

6242

May-86 SU

15-Feb-95

Aug-95

6404 E

29-Nov-85

65329

77514

6215

Mar-86 SG

4-May-94

Jun-94

6405 E

6-Dec-85

65347

77532

6233

Apr-86 SU

5-Aug-94

Oct-94

6406 E

10-Jan-86

65305

77505

6206

Mar-86 SG

10-Aug-94

Oct-94

6407 E

24-Jan-86

65330

77515

6216

Mar-86 SG

23-Mar-95

May-95

6408 E

7-Feb-86

65342

77527

6228

Apr-86 SG

31-Aug-94

Oct-94

6409 E

7-Mar-86

65309

77113

6210 /5794

Mar-86 SG

22-Mar-94

Apr-94

Code

 

CY

DAM

 

 

 

 

6410 E

19-Mar-86

65334

77519

6220

-

18-Jan-95

Jul-95

6411 E

11-Mar-86

65333

77518

6219

-

2-Feb-95

Jul-95

6412 E

9-Apr-86

65364

77549

6250

-

15-Feb-95

Aug-95

Code

 

CY-2A

DAM-1A

 

 

 

 

6413 E

14-May-86

65372

77557

6258

-

15-Mar-95

Aug-95

Code

 

CY

DAM

 

 

 

 

6414 E

5-Jul-86

65368

77553

6254

-

8-Mar-95

Aug-95

6415 E

25-Sep-86

65348

77533

6234

-

23-Mar-95

Aug-95

6416 E

19-Dec-86

65328

77513

6214

-

26-Jan-94

Oct-94

6417 E

21-Jan-87

65366

77551

6252

-

2-Nov-94

Nov-96

6418 E

5-Mar-87

65360

77545

6246

-

26-Jan-94

Oct-94

Notes:

All units except 6402 & 6417 were scrapped at Gwent Demolition, Margam.

 

 

 

Liveries
Facelifted 2 EPB units

Number

Blue /Grey

NSE

Later version, darker blue, curved upsweeps

Notes

Number

Blue /Grey

NSE

Later version, darker blue, curved upsweeps

Notes

6401

*Sep-85

 

wdn

6410

*Mar-86

20-Sep-89

 

6402

*Oct-85

24-Feb-89

 

6411

*Mar-86

25-Aug-89

 

6403

*Nov-85

30-Jan-89

 

6412

*Apr-86

Dec-89

 

6404

*Nov-85

21-Mar-89

 

6413

*May-86

Dec-89

 

6405

*Dec-85

23-Mar-89

 

6414

*Jul-86

c.Jan-90

 

6406

*Jan-86

27-Apr-89

 

6415

*Sep-86

13-Mar-90

 

6407

*Jan-86

10-May-89

 

6416

*Dec-86

c.April-90

 

6408

*Feb-86

Jun-89

 

6417

*Jan-87

c.April-90

 

6409

*Mar-86

25-Aug-89

 

6418

*Mar-87

10-May-90

 

 

 

Individual Unit Notes

No.

Notes

6401

Unit withdrawn 15‑Feb-93 and sent to Ramsgate for conversion into a ‘Route Learning Saloon’. Coaches renumbered into departmental series 65346 to 977857 and 77531 to 977856 and unit renumbered 931001. Cab end of former DTS rebuilt with four large observation lights and internal partitions removed, and ramped seating for 16 fitted as an observation saloon. These seating units recovered from withdrawn 4 CEP stock. Unit into service by Jul-93.

6402

Unit withdrawn 23‑Mar-95 and stored at Strawberry Hill. Moved to Long Marston for further storage 26‑Mar-96, and on to Shoeburyness Mar-99.

Sold to Railtrack as source of spares for de-icer/sandite units during 2000. Both coaches by road to Sims Metals Cardiff for scrapping, 65362 arr 1‑Jul-03 and 77547 arr 2‑Jul-03 and scrapped shortly afterwards.

6403

Unit used to cover withdrawn 2 HAP 4314 from Sep-94 and allocated to Ramsgate depot. Out of use when remaining 2 HAP units displaced to suburban duties from Jan-95 and withdrawn 15‑Feb-95 and stored at Plumstead. Moved for scrapping from Chart Leacon to Gwent Demolition, Margam 20‑Jul-95. Both coaches cut‑up w/e 19‑Aug-95.

6404

Unit withdrawn 4‑May-94 and moved to Bournemouth for stripping next day. Moved for scrapping from Eastleigh to Gwent Demolition, Margam 19‑May-94.

6405

Unit withdrawn 5‑Aug-94 and taken to Bournemouth for stripping. Moved for scrapping from Bournemouth to Gwent Demolition, Margam 4‑Oct-94. Both coaches cut‑up w/e 15‑Oct-94.

6406

Unit withdrawn 10‑Aug-94 and taken to Bournemouth for stripping. Moved for scrapping from Bournemouth to Gwent Demolition, Margam 25‑Aug-94. Both coaches cut‑up w/e 15‑Oct-94.

6407

Unit withdrawn 23‑Mar-95. Moved for scrapping from Chart Leacon to Gwent Demolition, Margam 4‑May-95. Both coaches cut‑up w/e 20‑May-95.

6408

Unit withdrawn 31‑Aug-94 and taken to Bournemouth for stripping. Moved for scrapping from Bournemouth to Gwent Demolition, Margam 4‑Oct-94. Both coaches cut‑up w/e 15‑Oct-94.

6409

Unit withdrawn 22‑Mar-94 and taken to Bournemouth for stripping. Moved for scrapping from Bournemouth to Gwent Demolition, Margam 14‑Apr-94. Both coaches cut‑up w/e 23‑Apr-94.

6410

Unit withdrawn 18‑Jan-95 and moved to Bournemouth for stripping 1‑Apr-95 prior to being used for accident exercise at Bincombe Tunnel 24‑Apr-95. Moved for scrapping from Bournemouth to Gwent Demolition, Margam 28‑Jul-95. Both coaches cut‑up w/e 26‑Aug-95.

6411

Unit withdrawn 2‑Feb-95 and moved to Bournemouth for stripping 1‑Apr-95 prior to being used for accident exercise at Bincombe Tunnel 24‑Apr-95. Moved for scrapping from Bournemouth to Gwent Demolition, Margam 28‑Jul-95. Both coaches cut‑up w/e 26‑Aug-95.

6412

Unit withdrawn 15‑Feb-95 and stored at Plumstead. Moved for scrapping from Chart Leacon to Gwent Demolition, Margam 20‑Jul-95. Both coaches cut‑up w/e 12‑Aug-95.

6413

Unit withdrawn 15‑Mar-95. Moved for scrapping from Chart Leacon to Gwent Demolition, Margam 20‑Jul-95. DTS 77557 cut‑up w/e 19‑Aug-95, MBS 65372 cut‑up w/e 26‑Aug-95.

6414

Unit withdrawn 8‑Mar-95. Moved for scrapping from Chart Leacon to Gwent Demolition, Margam 20‑Jul-95. Both coaches cut‑up w/e 19‑Aug-95.

6415

Unit withdrawn 23‑Mar-95. Moved for scrapping from Chart Leacon to Gwent Demolition, Margam 20‑Jul-95. Both coaches cut‑up w/e 19‑Aug-95.

6416

Unit withdrawn 26‑Jan-94 and held for possible conversion to departmental use. Taken from Bournemouth (after stripping) to Stratford 22‑Apr-94 for further conversion. Not so used however and returned to SR 12‑Oct-94 and moved from Bournemouth to Gwent Demolition, Margam for scrapping 18‑Oct-94. Both coaches cut‑up w/e 29‑Oct-94.

6417

Unit withdrawn 2‑Nov-94 and used for accident exercise at Basingstoke c29‑Nov-94 prior to scrapping. Unit sold to Railtrack for further use in emergency exercises and moved by road to Eastleigh Apr-96. Scrapped by A. Cartright at Wessex Traincare, Eastleigh Nov-96.

6418

Unit withdrawn 26‑Jan-94 and held for possible conversion to departmental use. Taken from Bournemouth (after stripping) to Stratford 22‑Apr-94 for further conversion. Not so used however and returned to BR(S) 12‑Oct-94 and moved from Bournemouth to Gwent Demolition, Margam for scrapping 18‑Oct-94. Both coaches cut‑up w/e 29‑Oct-94.


 

 

Tyneside unit near Pelaw

(Motorman Deadman collection)

 

South Tyneside Electric Units

(Later 2 EPB units 5781 - 5795)

 

This batch of fifteen 2-car units were constructed at Eastleigh, on underframes from Ashford in late 1954 /early 1955 and were very similar in design to the BR(S) 2 EPB units being built concurrently. However, they had a number of detail differences. The appearance of the unit end was altered, as the BR(S) style centre window containing the route indicator number box was replaced by a panel of four headcode marker lights and a central tail light. Unit end power jumpers were also provided (some early EPBs had this feature but it lasted much longer on the Tyneside units), and a two-line route blind, the top line displaying South Tyneside line station names, the lower one the class of train (i.e. Stopping etc.).

The layout of the motor coach was similar to the BR(S) units with the exception of a larger luggage van area, this being 15' 3" long as opposed to the 8' 11˝" of the BR(S) units and could accommodate two tons of luggage rather than one on the BR(S) units. As a result, the passenger accommodation was in two saloons, one of three bays adjacent to the luggage van, the other of four and this coach seated 74. The DTC vehicle was to the same internal layout as the BR(S) units, with a four bay saloon adjacent to the cab vestibule entrance, and five full compartments.

However, one of these compartments (adjacent to the saloon in the centre of the coach) was finished to first class standards, seating eight, four each side separated by movable armrests. Carpets and umbrella racks were also fitted. This coach therefore seated 8 first and 90 second giving a unit total of 8 first and 164 second. Seating in these units was of one piece bench type cushions as opposed to the SR style lift out cushions on a sprung hammock base. First class was abolished on these units from May 1959, the compartment being downgraded to second and seating 12, increasing capacity to 176.

The units were similar to the BR(S) ones in being equipped with BR Mark 1 bogies, but the motor bogies had express gear ratio motors on Tyneside. Motor coaches weighed 40 tons, driving trailers 30 giving a unit total of 70 and the units were 132' 8˝" long, both as in the BR(S) units.

Lot numbers for these vehicles were: MBS 30116, DTS 30117, these units being ordered 29‑Apr-53 along with the first eleven BR(S)  2 EPB units and the solitary MLV (68000) which was also provided for use on Tyneside. They were also covered by an BR(S) ‘HO’ number, these being HO 4021 for the 2-car units and HO 4022 for the MLV, both dated 21‑Jul-53 and completed 23‑Apr-55 and 5‑Nov-55 respectively.

These units carried no unit number, being known by their coach numbers, MBS coaches being E65311 to E65325 and DTC coaches being E77100 to E77114.

Units, like those on the BR(S) had buckeye couplers with Pullman rubbing plates and retractable buffers at unit ends and the centre buffer and three link chain coupling between the two vehicles. On Tyneside, the units ran on the Newcastle Central to South Shields line and were based at Gosforth depot.

The South Tyneside line was de-electrified in January 1963, (though some timing trials with diesel units had taken place as early as 9th September 1960), the last trains running on 6th January 1963 and the displaced units were quickly transferred to the Southern Region, officially from 20th April 1963, being stored mainly at Eardley Sidings, Streatham and Gatwick Airport.

Transfer to the Southern Region

The Southern Region classified the units as 2 EPB and numbered them 5781 to 5795 and all were taken in for overhaul at Eastleigh prior to entering BR(S) service, the first being 5783 and 5789 in April 1963, the last five arrived there in June with overhaul and conversion taking about two months.

The units were numbered so the coach numbers retained their numerical order, the ‘E’ prefix being changed to an ‘S’. Modification for BR(S)  use mainly involved alterations to the cab end, where an BR(S)  style blind box replaced the marker lights and route indicators, this being of the later smaller aperture as fitted to ‘Phase II’ style 2 HAP units, making the Tyneside units recognisable at a distance from the BR(S) variety.

Shoebeams were realigned 1Ľ" further out to meet SR conductor rail standards and roof mounted two-tone horns replaced the original whistles. The final units overhauled had their seating altered to the BR(S) style lift out cushions, but several units retained their bench seats until withdrawal. BR(S) electrical codes were also allocated to each vehicle. Whilst on Tyneside, these units missed out on the uprating of the BR Mark 1 bogies to Mark 3D and retained the original Mark 1 pattern. However, on conversion for BR(S) use the motor bogies were converted to suburban gear ratio, and the trailer bogies uprated to the BR(S) standard Mark 3D type.

Other modifications required prior to the units being used on the BR(S) were fitting of Hand Lamp brackets in cabs, provision of a short circuiting bar in both coaches, end steps removed, provision of ‘Restriction 4’ and dimension plates on each vehicle, seat back thickness reduced in saloons and roof guttering cut-away at intervals. Some coaches were fitted with ‘Trigger’ locks, these had them and the striking plates altered to the ‘Triggerless’ type. Most units were in pretty poor condition internally when received, particularly the former first class compartments so all units needed a General Repair in addition to the various modifications before being put into service by the BR(S).

Livery

Whilst on Tyneside, the units were painted in all-over green livery, the BR(S) shade when new and a darker shade on repainting which all units received once. Some units were given yellow warning panels whilst on Tyneside; these extended across the cab front behind the jumpers and finished more or less in line with the outer frames of the secondman’s /driver’s observation lights.

Units retained green livery after their first overhaul on the BR(S) and all received all-over blue livery with full yellow ends between August 1968 and March 1971. Units 5782 /5783 /5784 /5788 /5790 /5791 /5792 /5793 /5794 all gained full yellow ends whilst still in green livery, unit 5784 being the last painted blue in March 1971.

These units were classified Class 413 in 1972 under the initial BR TOPS classification system, this being later revised in 1975 to Class 416 and subsequently to Class 416/2. The blue/grey livery started to be applied in January 1981 with 5790 the first repainted, all units being done by early 1983. AWS began to be fitted in 1977, most received the Baldwin equipment, but the last four done, 5781 /5784 /5785 /5791 had the simplified version.

Withdrawal

The various slightly non-standard features of these units led to their earlier withdrawal from traffic, three units going in May 1984 and the remainder all going that October. During July, the twelve remaining units were renumbered in the 62xx series, being physically renumbered during August and September.

Four units saw further service as Christmas Mails units late in 1984 and all were finally withdrawn from May 1985, having been shown as stored prior to this date. As these units contained no blue asbestos insulation, a fair number of vehicles were selected for conversion to departmental uses, and one DTS was taken into Eastleigh and given a facelift and used to replace ‘1957 type’ DTS 75636 in unit 6210 (becoming 6409), this being the only Tyneside vehicle to remain in passenger service after May 1985. No units were reformed whilst in traffic stock, but many were so after withdrawal.

 

Unit
No.

Date
new

MBS

DTC
(later DTS)

Date
to BR(S)

New
no.

Date renumbered

Withdrawn Date

Diag. No.
Code

 

422
CQ-4C

429
DV

 

 

 

 

5781

16-Dec-54

65311

77100

16-Aug-63

6281

Sep-84

1-Oct-84

5782

31-Dec-54

65312

77101

6-Sep-63

6282

Sep-84

1-Oct-84

5783

12-Jan-55

65313

77102

26-Jul-63

6283

Aug-84

1-Oct-84

5784

19-Jan-55

65314

77103

9-Aug-63

6284

Aug-84

1-Oct-84

5785

26-Jan-55

65315

77104

27-Sep-63

6285

Aug-84

1-Oct-84*

5786

2-Feb-55

65316

77105

13-Sep-63

6286

Aug-84

1-Oct-84

5787

7-Feb-55

65317

77106

30-Aug-63

6287

Sep-84

1-Oct-84*

5788

15-Feb-55

65318

77107

16-Aug-63

_

_

14-May-84

5789

22-Feb-55

65319

77108

5-Jul-63

6289

Sep-84

1-Oct-84*

5790

23-Mar-55

65320

77109

9-Aug-63

6290

Aug-84

1-Oct-84

5791

2-Mar-55

65321

77110

2-Aug-63

6291

Aug-84

1-Oct-84

5792

16-Mar-55

65322

77111

27-Sep-63

6292

Aug-84

1-Oct-84*

5793

23-Mar-55

65323

77112

2-Aug-63

6293

Aug-84

1-Oct-84

5794

29-Mar-55

65324

77113

23-Aug-63

-

-

14-May-84

5795

6-Apr-55

65325

77114

20-Sep-63

-

-

14-May-84

Notes:

* Units used for mail trains during Christmas period 1984

 

All units officially withdrawn from 13‑May-85, except 5788 /5794 /5795 as shewn above.

 

 

These units arrived at Eastleigh for conversion to BR(S) units as follows:

 

Vehicles

Became

Date in

Date out

Vehicles

Became

Date in

Date out

E65311

5781

12-Jun-63

16-Aug-63

E65319

5789

8-Apr-63

5-Jul-63

E77100

5781

12-Jun-63

16-Aug-63

E77108

5789

8-Apr-63

5-Jul-63

E65312

5782

20-Jun-63

6-Sep-63

E65320

5790

12-Jun-63

9-Aug-63

E77101

5782

20-Jun-63

6-Sep-63

E77109

5790

12-Jun-63

9-Aug-63

E65313

5783

8-Apr-63

26-Jul-63

E65321

5791

7-Jun-63

2-Aug-63

E77102

5783

8-Apr-63

26-Jul-63

E77110

5791

7-Jun-63

2-Aug-63

E65314

5784

7-Jun-63

9-Aug-63

E65322

5792

20-Jun-63

27-Sep-63

E77103

5784

7-Jun-63

9-Aug-63

E77111

5792

20-Jun-63

27-Sep-63

E65315

5785

20-Jun-63

27-Sep-63

E65323

5793

7-Jun-63

2-Aug-63

E77104

5785

20-Jun-63

27-Sep-63

E77112

5793

7-Jun-63

2-Aug-63

E65316

5786

20-Jun-63

13-Sep-63

E65324

5794

12-Jun-63

23-Aug-63

E77105

5786

20-Jun-63

13-Sep-63

E77113

5794

12-Jun-63

23-Aug-63

E65317

5787

12-Jun-63

30-Aug-63

E65324

5795

20-Jun-63

20-Sep-63

E77106

5787

12-Jun-63

30-Aug-63

E77114

5795

20-Jun-63

20-Sep-63

E65318

5788

12-Jun-63

16-Aug-63

Notes:

Likely that the final batch done (5782 /5785 /5786 /5792 /5795) were those outshopped with the modified seating.

E77107

5788

12-Jun-63

16-Aug-63

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

AWS equipment fitted to these units from:

 

Unit

Date

Unit

Date

Unit

Date

Unit

Date

5781

Aug-78

5785

Feb-80

5789

Feb-78

5793

Sep-77

5782

Aug-77

5786

Nov-77

5790

Oct-77

5794

Oct-77

5783

Nov-77

5787

Jan-78

5791

Apr-80

5795

Mar-78

5784

-78

5788

-78

5792

c.Dec-77

 

 

                                                                                               

 

 

Individual Unit Notes

No.

Notes

5785

Unit (with 5787 + 5792 + 5661) damaged in collision with 4686 + 4625 on Access Road at Selhurst depot 9‑Jan-65 and repaired at Selhurst.

5787

Unit derailed by fallen tree near Bagshot 6‑Feb-84 and DTS 77106 damaged, but repaired.

5788

Unit damaged in collision with road vehicle on Pooley Green Crossing near Egham 18‑Aug-83.

5790

Unit damaged in buffer stop collision at Victoria (platform 6) 8‑Dec-63 and DTS 77109 damaged. Unit to Lancing for repairs.

5791

Unit in collision with 7709 at Wimbledon Park 23‑Dec-81 and DTS 77110 sidescrape damaged on offside but repaired.

5795

Unit damaged mid 1964? as sent to Eastleigh 2‑Sep-64 and not released until 6‑Jan-65. (Possibly bad sidescrape with open door on 2 BIL unit at Richmond during August?).

 

 

Disposal Details Following Withdrawal

 

No.

Notes

6281

Stored at Eastleigh until moved to Gwent Demolition, Margam 13‑Nov-91 for scrapping.

6282

Unit to Selhurst 20‑Nov-87 for conversion.

MBS 65312 converted to sandite /de-icer motor coach for unit 017 and renumbered ADB977566.

DTS 77101 converted to sandite driving trailer and modified to run with class 317 /319 units and renumbered ADB977578. Coach out of use in 1999 and stored at Chart Leacon until taken by road to Immingham Railfreight Terminal for scrapping, cut‑up 25‑Apr-02.

6283

Unit to Selhurst 20‑Nov-87 for conversion.

MBS 65313 converted to carriage cleaning fluid carrier for unit 062 and renumbered ADB977559.

DTS 77102 renumbered ADB977690 as part of accident exercise unit 997 Apr-90. Scrapped by Gwent Demolition, Margam, moving from Eastleigh 16‑Jul-92 and cut‑up by 19‑Jul-92.

6284

Unit to Selhurst 20‑Nov-87 for conversion.

MBS 65314 converted to sandite/de-icer motor coach for unit 017 and renumbered ADB977567.

DTS 77103 renumbered ADB977691 as part of accident exercise unit 997 Apr-90. Scrapped by Gwent Demolition, Margam, moving from Eastleigh 16‑Jul-92 and cut‑up by 19‑Jul-92.

6285

Stored at Eastleigh until moved to Gwent Demolition, Margam 5‑Jan-93 for scrapping. Both coaches cut‑up w/e 23‑Jan-93.

6286

Stored at Eastleigh until moved to C. F. Booth, Rotherham 16‑Oct-91 for scrapping and cut‑up by end of December. MBS 65316 intended for a departmental conversion as ADB977394 but this was never commenced.

6287

Unit stored at Plumstead until moved to Wimbledon Park 8‑Jul-85.

DTS 77106 formed with 77111 (ex 6292) and both used for emergency coupling training with Class 455 units at Waterloo South Sidings. These coaches then used as a temporary waiting room at Oxted during station rebuilding from Dec-86 to Sep-87 thence served a similar purpose at Paddock Wood from Jan-88 to 15‑Jul-88 prior to returning to store.

MBS 65317 renumbered ADB977304 from 4‑Oct-86 as part of ‘tractor’ unit 021 at Wimbledon Park depot.

DTS 77106 renumbered ADB977689 as part of accident exercise unit 997 Apr-90. Scrapped by Gwent Demolition, Margam, moving from Eastleigh 16‑Jul-92 and cut‑up by 19‑Jul-92. Unit 021 withdrawn Jan-93 and ADB977304 moved from Eastleigh to Gwent Demolition, Margam for scrapping 28‑Mar-95.

5788

Unit moved to Fratton Yard for store 12‑May-84, then to Selhurst for conversion 23‑May-84.

MBS 65318 converted to stores motor coach for unit 018 at Selhurst during summer 1984 and renumbered ADB977290, officially from 14‑Dec-85. Last stores trains ran 15‑Aug-89 and 018 withdrawn Jun-91 and stored at Eastleigh awaiting disposal.

DTS 77107 stored at Selhurst until moved to Hither Green 27‑Nov-84, later moving to Battersea Yard. It returned to Wimbledon Park 8‑Jul-85 and used for wheel lathe training until moved to Eastleigh. Coach to Vic Berry, Leicester for scrapping, moving from Eastleigh to Cricklewood 16‑Mar-90 and on to Leicester 23‑Mar-90, and cut‑up w/e 9‑Apr-90.

ADB977290 moved from Eastleigh to Gwent Demolition, Margam for scrapping 30‑Sep-93 and cut‑up Oct-93.

6289

Unit renumbered 050 for departmental use 21‑Sep-85, MBS 65319 renumbered ADB977296, DTS 77108 renumbered ADB977297.

Unit used as a ‘horse’ for test trains and based at Strawberry Hill. It later exchanged running gear with withdrawn unit 051 (ex 2 HAP 6156) so had express gear ratio motors and roller bearing axle boxes.

Unit 050 reformed with 054 20‑Jan-93 and 054 now formed of two MBS, ADB977296 being exchanged with ADB977508 and unit 050, now two DTS only stored at Eastleigh pending disposal. It was reformed again by Sep-93 and ADB977508 exchanged with ADB977507 (ex 053).

ADB977297 /ADB977507 scrapped by Gwent Demolition, Margam Oct-93, moving from Eastleigh 30‑Sep-93.

6290

Unit to Selhurst 20‑Nov-87 for conversion.

MBS 65320 converted to carriage cleaning fluid carrier for unit 062 and renumbered ADB977560.

DTS 77109 converted to sandite driving trailer and modified to run with class 317/319 units and renumbered ADB977579. Coach out of use in 1999 and stored at Chart Leacon until taken by road to Immingham Railfreight Terminal for scrapping, cut‑up 25‑Apr-02.

Unit 062 continued in use until about 1997 when it was stored out of use, but reinstated cAug-98, sometimes also being used to assist defective units between Ramsgate and Ashford /Tonbridge /Grove Park. However due to increasingly poor condition unit was then stored out of use at Ramsgate depot.

Unit by road to Immingham Railfreight Terminal for scrapping, one coach by road 25‑May-04, the other the following day. 977559 cut-up 16‑Aug-04 and 977560 cut‑up 17‑Aug-04.

6291

Unit used for testing purposes on the newly electrified line between Tonbridge and Hastings in April and May 1986.

Unit renumbered for departmental use Sep-87, MBS 65321 renumbered ADB977505 and DTS 77110 renumbered ADB977507 for unit 053.

Unit 053 reformed with 050 about Sep-93 and DTS ADB977507 exchanged with DTS ADB977508 (ex 054).

Unit 053 sold for preservation to the Mersey & Tyneside Electric Group and ADB977505 moved by road from Wimbledon Park to the Rother Valley railway at Robertsbridge 3‑Jan‑97. Partially restored 65321 moved to Coventry Airport 20‑Oct-99.

Unit 050 was withdrawn for disposal during October 1993 and sent to Eastleigh. ADB977507 remained stored at Eastleigh into 2005 and used for some livery experiments. It was cut‑up there Oct-05 by contractors from Nicholas Steel.

6292

Unit stored at Plumstead until moved to Wimbledon Park 8‑Jul-85.

DTS 77111 formed with 77106 (ex 6287) and both used for emergency coupling training with Class 455 units at Waterloo South Sidings. These coaches then used as a temporary waiting room at Oxted during station rebuilding from Dec-86 to Sep-87 thence serving a similar purpose at Paddock Wood from Jan-88 to 15‑Jul-88 prior to returning to store.

MBS 65322 renumbered ADB977305 4‑Oct-86 as part of ‘tractor’ unit 021 at Wimbledon Park depot.

DTS 77111 renumbered ADB977688 as part of accident exercise unit 997 Apr-90. Scrapped by Gwent Demolition, Margam, moving from Eastleigh 16‑Jul-92 and cut‑up by 19‑Jul-92.

Unit 021 withdrawn Jan‑93 and ADB977305 to Gwent Demolition, Margam for scrapping 29‑Mar-95.

6293

Unit used for testing purposes on the newly electrified line between Tonbridge and Hastings in April and May 1986.

Unit renumbered for departmental use Sep-87, MBS 65323 renumbered ADB977506 and DTS 77112 renumbered ADB977508 for unit 054.

Unit 054 reformed with 050 20‑Jan‑93 and became a power twin, DTS ADB977508 being exchanged with MBS ADB977296 (ex 050).

DTS ADB977508 later moved from 050 to 053 in an exchange about Sep-93 and unit 053 was then sold for preservation to the Mersey & Tyneside Electric Group and ADB977508 moved by road from Wimbledon Park to the Rother Valley railway at Robertsbridge 2‑Dec-96. Partially restored 77112 moved to Coventry Airport 28‑Sep-99.

ADB 977506 scrapped at Wessex Traincare, Eastleigh Nov-96 by A Cartwright.

5794

On withdrawal, unit moved from Wimbledon Park to Fratton for store 14‑May-84, but then sent to Selhurst for departmental conversion 23‑May-84.

MBS 65324 converted to stores motor coach for unit 018 at Selhurst and released 14‑Dec-85 renumbered ADB977291. Last stores trains ran 15‑Aug-89 and 018 withdrawn Jun-91 and stored at Eastleigh awaiting disposal.

DTS 77113 stored at Selhurst until moved to Hither Green 27‑Nov-84, later moving to Battersea Yard. It returned to Wimbledon Park 8‑Jul-85 and used for wheel lathe training until moved to Eastleigh. DTS 77113 returned to traffic after facelift between Nov-85 and Mar-86 as part of unit 6409.

ADB977291 scrapped at Gwent Demolition, Margam Oct-93, moving from Eastleigh 30‑Sep-93.

5795

Upon withdrawal unit moved from Wimbledon Park to Fratton for store 12‑May-84.

Unit later moved to Eastleigh and taken to Slade Green for conversion to Stores unit 3‑Dec-84, but this cancelled and unit back to Fratton. It moved from Fratton to Swindon about March 1987.

Unit eventually scrapped by Mayer Newman, Snailwell, moving from Swindon 23‑Apr-87, DTS 77114 burnt 24‑Apr-87 and MBS 65325 burnt 27‑Apr-87.

Notes:

Units 5788 /5794 /5795 were stored at Fratton following withdrawal, the remainder going to Eastleigh Marshalling Yard.

 

Departmental ‘Tyneside’ units

Note

Units 050, 053 and 054 received express gear ratio motor bogies and roller bearing Mark 4 bogies from withdrawn 2 HAP units. The motor coaches of units 053 and 054 sometimes ran as a pair, when doing so were known as unit 055.

                            

 

2 EPB 5760 @ East Croydon 24 Feb 74 (1) copyright Dave Smith.jpg

2 EPB 5760 leaving East Croydon 24th February 74
© Dave Smith

 

 

 

BR 2 EPB in Model Form

Both No-Nonsense Kits and DC Kits made models of the BR 2 EPB; the No Nonsense kit being a much updated and improved MTK kit. Other manufacturers such as MJT also produced etched sides.

In May 2011 Bachmann produced the first ready-to-run 2 EPB with versions as follows:

 

5739

BR Blue with yellow warning panels & air horns

Outshopped blue with yellow warning panels 21st November 1966 thence outshopped with full-yellow ends 26th August 1969.

(Catalogue number 31-375Z)
Modelzone

5764

BR Blue livery with full-yellow ends

Outshopped blue with full-yellow ends 26th August 1969 thence outshopped blue /grey February 1984.

(Catalogue number 31-375)
May 2011

5759

BR Green with yellow warning panels

Date for yellow warning panel not recorded although probably received these before livery change to blue with full-yellow ends 7th June 1967.

This unit is in preservation.

(Catalogue number 31-376)
Lord & Butler2011

5770

BR Green with plain ends
with large numeral headcodes & whistle

Unit into service 5th September 1956. Date for yellow warning panel not known; received blue livery with full-yellow ends 5th May 1967.

(Catalogue number 31-376)
2011

5771

BR Green with plain ends
with large numeral headcodes & whistle

Unit into service 17th September 1956. Date for yellow warning panel not known; received blue livery with full-yellow ends14th August 1967.

(Catalogue number 31-379)

6225

BR late NSE livery ‘Kent Rail’ unit
with high-intensity headlamp

Outshopped NSE livery July 1992 and withdrawn 15th October 1994

(Catalogue number 31-378K)
September 2011

6238

BR Blue /Grey NSE-branded unit
2 COM unit with red cantrail line & high-intensity headlamp

(Catalogue number 31-377)
July 2011

 

Compartments opened-out at Slade Green in April 1984 (as an experiment) so did not carry 2 COM red cantrail band. Received number 6238 post 12th July 1984 and withdrawn 30th September 1991.

 

6262

BR Blue /Grey NSE branding

Received number 6262 post 12th July 1984 and withdrawn 26th January 1994.

(Catalogue number 31-380)
October 2016

6414

BR early NSE livery ‘Kent Rail’ unit

Received number 6414on  20th May 1986 and withdrawn 8th March 1995.

(Catalogue number 31-430)
Train pack

 

 

4mm Models and Kadee couplers

Like many modellers Ewhurst Green has a number of 2 EPB units and these were quickly fitted with Kadee no.20 couplings (as used within Bachmann’s Mk1 BR(S) coaching sets). The no.20 is used so it does not foul the headstock although Bachmann’s dummy buckeye coupling does need to be carefully prised out first.

However, after a number of derailments it was discovered that the NEM pockets (which are fixed to the 2 EPB bogies) are a fraction lower than those on Mk1 coaches causing the coupling to hang low. Essentially these derailments occurred because the curved steel activating rod that loops down from the Kadee buckeye coupling can foul the stock rail when passing over switches and crossings.

The modification is simple and straightforward; remove the Kadee coupling and carefully bend the curved steel activating rod in order to reduce its overall height. Once refitted to the bogies the coupling should not foul stock rails (etc) and these units should run without issue from their buckeye couplings.

 

       

Thanks go to research author John Atkinson, webpage author, editorial and additional information from historian C. Watts, contributions from Dave Deadman along with the many photographers listed below their images; particularly those of Dave Smith.

 

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