BR British Rail Crimson & Cream Crimson and Cream Crimson Cream Blood & Custard Blood Custard Blood and Custard BR British Rail Crimson & Cream Crimson and Cream Crimson Cream Blood & Custard Blood Custard Blood and Custard BR British Rail Crimson & Cream Crimson and Cream Crimson Cream Blood & Custard Blood Custard Blood and Custard

 

© BloodandCustard

Passenger Carrying Coaches
Maunsell Low-Window Stock

(390-399, 445-448, 449-454, 465-470)

 

A train on the railway tracks

Description automatically generated

No.3215 in set 390 at Micheldever (c.1956-1957).

© Lens of Sutton (Mike King collection)

 

 

This page covers the following Maunsell Low Window sets
(Restriction ‘1’ & 4)

3 Cor

390 - 399

(1928 to 1961)

3 Cor

445 - 448

(1928 to 1961)

4 Cor

449 - 454

(1929 to 1965)

2 Cor

460 - 461

(1963 to 1964)

2 Cor

463 - 464

(1963 to 1964)

8 Cor

465 - 466

(1929 to 1965)

8 Cor

467 - 468

(1961 to 1963)

8 Cor

469 - 470

(1928 to 1959)

 

 

 

 

 

Because of their inter-related history this page also
covers all of 2 Cor CWNA ‘E’ sets in
Appendix 2
(Restriction ‘1’)

2 Cor

180 - 192

(1962 to 1964)

2 Cor

217 - 219

(1962 to 1964)

2 Cor

444 – 467

(1958 to 1964)

 

Set Numbering Conventions

BR(S) convention meant each set was normally arranged with the coach conveying first-class (CK) positioned adjacent to the higher-numbered BTK. On four coach sets this convention also positioned the corridor to the compartments on the same-side placing first-class towards the middle of each four-coach set.

Liveries

Original livery was lined Olive with the lining being dropped c.1935. Malachite followed and Lancing Carriage works was still releasing repainted stock in SR Malachite Green early February 1949 with Crimson Lake (and Cream) appearing at least by March 1949.

The last Crimson Lake & Cream (CLC) vehicle outshopped from Lancing carriage works appear to be loose-allocated High Window Maunsell SK S1376S on 17th July 1956 which followed set 466 (all of its eight coaches variously outshopped between 18th June 1956 and 10th July 1956) and individual coach 7964 (from CLC Set 440) along with Loose Second Open 1218.

The first BR Green-livery set outshopped by Lancing was set 974 on 11th July 1956 and the on the 18th July 1956 Bulleid SK S61S was the first coach repainted from Crimson Lake & Cream into Green-livery.

Abolition of Second Class

Third-class was designated second-class following the abolition of second-class by British Railways on Sunday 3rd June 1956. In the tables below coaches are described as Third-class unless they were inserted into a set after 3rd June 1956 when Second Class is used.

 

Key

Notes

 

CLC

BR Crimson Lake & Cream-livery

 

G

BR(S) Green-livery

R4

Restriction 4 (C1 restriction is the BR equivalent)

‡

Not stencilled with set number

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Notes on reading these tables

In the tables below coaches are included up to the date given in the left hand-column. If the coach number is crossed out then it was removed from that set at the next reformation with its replacement stated against the next formation (i.e. row beneath).

 

 

 

A train on the railway tracks

Description automatically generated with medium confidence

No.3224 in set 395 at Eastleigh on 21st September 1959.

© Ted West (Mike King collection)

 

New 3 Cor Sets
(390 to 399)

Sets 390 to 399 were the first of the Maunsell 59’ Restriction 4 stock. Built at Eastleigh works, these had low windows and four-compartment brakes. Formed July 1926 (390-395) & October 1926 (396-399) to HO order no. E94 in lined Olive livery. Allocated to the South Western Division (SWD). The BTK coaches were in the number range 3214 to 3233; the CK being 5137 to 5146. These coaches remained in their allotted set without change until withdrawal.

The following sets were annotated on the Lancing Works has having ‘no intermediate buffers’ these having been removed in the nineteen-thirties: 390 (no intermediate buffers between CK 5138 & BTK 3214 – inspected 14th June 1944), 391, 392, 393 (except the 1st class end of 5137), 394, 395, 396, 397, 398 & 399.

 

Formation

Set
No.

Formed

BTK
No.

CK
No.

BTK
No.

390

Jul-26
(3 Cor)

3214

5138

3215

Wdn

Nov-61

 

 

 

391

Jul-26
(3 Cor)

3216

5139

3217

Wdn

12-Apr-58

 

 

 

392

Jul-26
(3 Cor)

3218

5141

3219

Wdn

9-Oct-59

 

 

 

393

Jul-26
(3 Cor)

3220

5137

3221

Wdn

12-Jul-58

 

 

 

394

Jul-26
(3 Cor)

3222

5143

3223

Wdn

Nov-61

 

 

 

395

Jul-26
(3 Cor)

3224

5146

3225

Wdn

Nov-61

 

 

 

396

Oct-26
(3 Cor)

3228

5140

3229

Wdn

Nov-61

 

 

 

397

Oct-26
(3 Cor)

3226

5142

3231

Wdn

Nov-61

 

 

 

398

Oct-26
(3 Cor)

3227

5144

3230

Wdn
Scrapped

Dec-61
c.Jun-64

 

 

 

399

Oct-26
(3 Cor)

3232

5145

3233

Wdn

Nov-61

 

 

 

 

 

Liveries

Set
No.

Livery

BTK
No.

CK
No.

BTK
No.

390

Olive
(new)

3214

5138

3215

 

Malachite

13-Jul-44

13-Jul-44

13-Jul-44

 

CLC

9-Oct-53

9-Oct-53

9-Oct-53

 

G

16-Dec-57

17-Dec-57

10-Dec-57

391

Olive
(new)

3216

5139

3217

 

Malachite

13-Jan-45

13-Jan-45

13-Jan-45

 

CLC

n/k

n/k

n/k

 

G

n/k

n/k

n/k

392

Olive
(new)

3218

5141

3219

 

Malachite

15-Feb-45

15-Feb-45

15-Feb-45

 

CLC

Nov-53

Nov-53

Nov-53

 

G

7-Nov-57

11-Nov-57

11-Nov-57

393

Olive
(new)

3220

5137

3221

 

Malachite

5-Feb-41

5-Feb-41

5-Feb-41

 

CLC

Yes

Yes

Yes

 

G

n/k

n/k

n/k

394

Olive
(new)

3222

5143

3223

 

Malachite

27-Oct-44

27-Oct-44

27-Oct-44

 

CLC

6-Mar-53

6-Mar-53

6-Mar-53

 

G

7-Jan-57

31-Dec-56

10-Jan-57

395

Olive
(new)

3224

5146

3225

 

Malachite

28-Mar-44

28-Mar-44

28-Mar-44

 

CLC

29-Jun-55

29-Jun-55

29-Jun-55

 

G

8-Apr-58

3-Apr-58

8-Apr-58

396

Olive
(new)

3228

5140

3229

 

Malachite

25-Jan-45

25-Jan-45

25-Jan-45

 

CLC

10-Dec-52

10-Dec-52

10-Dec-52

 

G

11-Jul-58

24-Jul-56

11-Jul-58

397

Olive
(new)

3226

5142

3231

 

Malachite

14-Nov-46

14-Nov-46

14-Nov-46

 

CLC

28-Jul-55

28-Jul-55

28-Jul-55

 

G

6-Jun-57

6-Jun-57

4-Jun-57

398

Olive
(new)

3227

5144

3230

 

Malachite

4-Jul-46

4-Jul-46

4-Jul-46

 

CLC

1-Sep-54

1-Sep-54

1-Sep-54

 

G

17-Dec-56

20-Dec-56

12-Dec-56

399

Olive
(new)

3232

5145

3233

 

Malachite

11-Nov-47

11-Nov-47

11-Nov-47

 

CLC

No

No

No

 

G

27-Jul-56

25-Jul-56

26-Jul-56

 

 

Individual Set Notes
(390 – 399)

Set

 

Notes

 

390

3 Cor formed July 1926:

BTK 3214 (diag.2101)
CK 5138 (diag.2301)
BTK 3215 (diag.2101)

Lancing painting dates 1st June 1931, 31st July 1936 and 13th July 1944 with a last recorded Southern Railway varnish on 3rd April 1947.

It was outshopped from Lancing (damage repair) on 8th August 1941.

Post-nationalisation, this set was outshopped Crimson Lake & Cream livery 9th October 1953 thence Green on 17th November 1957. It was outshopped from its final varnish on 17th November 1959.

Set 390 had its intermediate buffers removed between CK 5138 & BTK 3214 (inspected 14th June 1944).

Set 390 was withdrawn November 1961.

 

391

3 Cor formed July 1926:

BTK 3216 (diag.2101)
CK 5139 (diag.2301)
BTK 3217 (diag.2101)

Lancing painting dates 1st June 1931, 31st July 1936 and 13th January 1945 with a last recorded Southern Railway varnish on 24th March 1947.

Post-nationalisation, details are unknown. Based on paining cycles it probably received Crimson Lake & Cream livery but may or may not have received Green.

Set 391 had its intermediate buffers removed.

Set 391 was withdrawn 12th April 1958.

 

392

3 Cor formed July 1926:

BTK 3218 (diag.2101)
CK 5141 (diag.2301)
BTK 3219 (diag.2101)

Lancing painting dates 5th March 1931, 16th December 1935 and 15th February 1945 with a last recorded Southern Railway varnish on 17th December 1947.

It was outshopped from Lancing (damage repair) on 3rd August 1940.

Post-nationalisation, this set was outshopped Crimson Lake & Cream livery 17th November 1953 but may or may not have received Green.

Set 392 had its intermediate buffers removed.

Set 392 was withdrawn 9th October 1959. Memo dated 26th September 1959 to F.J. Pepper (RSO Eastleigh) titled ‘Kent Coast Electrification, Steam Stock for Withdrawal W/E 26-9-59’ reference RS/51/1/51A/BA from Waterloo Inspector Ernie Tozer stated set 392 at Micheldever to be marked as condemned.

 

393

3 Cor formed July 1926:

BTK 3220 (diag.2101)
CK 5137 (diag.2301)
BTK 3221 (diag.2101)

Lancing painting dates 18th December 1930, 11th March 1935 and 5th February 1941 with a last recorded Southern Railway varnish on 2nd January 1948.

Post-nationalisation, details are unknown. Based on paining cycles it probably received Crimson Lake & Cream livery but may or may not have received Green.

Set 393 had its intermediate buffers removed excepting between CK 5138 & BTK 3214 (inspected 14th June 1944).

Set 393 was withdrawn 12th July 1958.

 

394

3 Cor formed July 1926:

BTK 3222 (diag.2101)
CK 5143 (diag.2301)
BTK 3223 (diag.2101)

Lancing painting dates 22nd December 1930, 18th February 1935 and 27th October 1944 with a last recorded Southern Railway varnish on 18th June 1947.

It was outshopped from Lancing (damage repair to 3223) on 17th April 1939 and (damage repair to 5143) on 6th September 1941 and Eastleigh (underframe repairs) on 15th May 1947.

Post-nationalisation, this set was outshopped Crimson Lake & Cream livery 6th March 1953 thence CK into Green on 31st December 1956 with the BSKs’ following on 10th January 1957. It was outshopped from its final varnish on 4th January 1961.

Set 394 had its intermediate buffers removed.

Set 394 was withdrawn November 1961.

 

395

3 Cor formed July 1926:

BTK 3224 (diag.2101)
CK 5146 (diag.2301)
BTK 3225 (diag.2101)

Lancing painting dates 6th February 1931, 27th May 1935 and 28th March 1944 after its last recorded Southern Railway varnish on 10th April 1941.

It was outshopped from Lancing (damage repair) on 10th April 1941 and Eastleigh (underframe repairs) on 2nd April 1948.

Post-nationalisation, this set was outshopped Crimson Lake & Cream livery 29th July 1953 thence Green on 8th April 1958. It was outshopped from its final varnish on 6th May 1960.

Set 395 had its intermediate buffers removed.

Set 395 was withdrawn November 1961.

 

396

3 Cor formed October 1926:

BTK 3228 (diag.2101)
CK 5140 (diag.2301)
BTK 3229 (diag.2101)

Lancing painting dates 5th March 1931, 26th February 1936 and 25th January 1945 with a last recorded Southern Railway varnish on 26th September 1946.

Post-nationalisation, this set was outshopped Crimson Lake & Cream livery 10th December 1952 thence CK into Green on 24th July 1956 with the BSKs following on 11th July 1958. It was outshopped from its final varnish on 6th May 1960.

It was outshopped from Eastleigh (slight damage) on 4th November 1954 and 12th November 1954 with all being outshopped from Eastleigh 22nd March 1961 (light repairs).

Set 396 had its intermediate buffers removed.

Set 396 was withdrawn November 1961.

 

397

3 Cor formed October 1926:

BTK 3226 (diag.2101)
CK 5142 (diag.2301)
BTK 3231 (diag.2101)

Lancing painting dates 14th April 1931, 26th June 1936 and 14th November 1946 after its last recorded Southern Railway varnish on 18th September 1943.

It was outshopped from Lancing (damage) on 18th September 1943.

Post-nationalisation, this set was outshopped Crimson Lake & Cream livery 28th July 1955 thence Green on 6th June 1957. It was outshopped from its final varnish on 12th April 1961.

Set 397 had its intermediate buffers removed.

Set 397 was withdrawn November 1961.

 

398

3 Cor formed October 1926:

BTK 3227 (diag.2101)
CK 5144 (diag.2301)
BTK 3230 (diag.2101)

Lancing painting dates 30th April 1931, 21st August 1935 and 4th July 1946 after its last recorded Southern Railway varnish on 18th June 1943.

Post-nationalisation, this set was outshopped Crimson Lake & Cream livery 1st September 1954 thence Green on 20th December 1956. It was outshopped from its final varnish on 14th February 1961.

It was outshopped from Eastleigh (slight damage) on 24th December 1954.

Set 398 had its intermediate buffers removed.

Set 398 was withdrawn December 1961. Waterloo Inspector’s memos dated 4th July 1962 and 7th November 1962 identify set 398  being stored at Worthy Down (annotated no intermediate buffers). Set was dispatched as part of train no.7 from Andover Junction to Birds Motors (Llanelly) Wednesday, 3rd June 1964 (sold 2nd May 1964).

 

399

3 Cor formed October 1926:

BTK 3232 (diag.2101)
CK 5145 (diag.2301)
BTK 3233 (diag.2101)

Lancing painting dates 20th October 1930, 4th October 1937 and 14th November 1947 after its last recorded Southern Railway varnish on 13th May 1944.

Post-nationalisation, this set was outshopped 28th July 1955 thence Green on 27th July 1956 and did not receive Crimson Lake & Cream livery. It was outshopped from its final varnish on 14th July 1958.

Set 399 had its intermediate buffers removed.

Set 399 was withdrawn November 1961.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

A train on the railway tracks

Description automatically generated

Condemned 5149 (ex. set 447) at Horsted Keynes on 26th September 1959

© Denis Cullum (Mike King collection)

 

3 Cor Sets
(445 to 448)

Sets 445 to 448 were Maunsell 59’ Restriction 4 stock built by Metropolitan Carriage, Wagon & Finance Company in August to September 1928. These had low windows and four-compartment brakes. Formed August 1928 (445-446) and September 1928 (447-448) to HO order no. E??? in lined Olive livery. Allocated to the South Western Division (SWD). The BTK coaches were in the number range 4055 to 4062 to diag.2101; the CK being 5147 to 5150 to diag.2301.

The following sets were annotated on the Lancing Works has having ‘no intermediate buffers’ these having been removed in the nineteen-thirties: 445, 446, 447 (except the 1st class end of CK 5149) & 448.

Following withdrawal these set numbers were reused for 2 Cor sets as follows: 187 became 445, 188 became 446, 189 became 447 and set 190 became 448. In terms of set numbering this was part of a 2 Cor set numbering range 444 to 467 for CWNA ‘E’ Tonbridge – East Grinstead – Tunbridge Wells West - Brighton - Redhill - Reading Southern services.

 

Formation

Set
No.

Formed

BTK
No.

CK
No.

BTK
No.

445

Aug-28
(3 Cor)

4055

5147

4056

Wdn

11-Oct-58

 

 

 

446

17-Aug-28
(3 Cor)

4057

5148

4058

Wdn

28-Apr-61

 

 

 

447

Sep-28
(3 Cor)

4059

5149

4061

Wdn

4-Jul-59

 

 

 

448

Sep-28
(3 Cor)

4060

5150

4062
(to set 436)

Wdn

20-Sep-58

20-Sep-58

20-Sep-58

(5-Jan-61)

 

Liveries

Set
No.

Liveries

BTK
No.

CK
No.

BTK
No.

445

Olive
(new)

4055

5147

4056

 

Malachite

n/k

n/k

n/k

 

CLC

Yes

Yes

Yes

 

G

17-Sep-57

17-Sep-57

18-Sep-57

446

Olive
(new)

4057

5148

4058

 

Malachite

13-Jun-41

13-Jun-41

13-Jun-41

 

CLC

30-May-51

30-May-51

30-May-51

 

G

27-Mar-58

21-Nov-57

3-Dec-57

447

Olive
(new)

4059

5149

4061

 

Malachite

21-Dec-46

21-Dec-46

21-Dec-46

 

CLC

Yes

Yes

Yes

 

G

4-Feb-57

5-Feb-57

5-Feb-57

448

Olive
(new)

4060

5150

4062

 

Malachite

22-May-46

22-May-46

22-May-46

 

CLC

No

No

No

 

G

16-Oct-56

23-Oct-56

16-Oct-56

 

 

Individual Set Notes
(445 – 448)

Set

 

Notes

 

445

3 Cor formed August 1928:

BTK 4055 (diag.2101)
CK 5147 (diag.2301)
BTK 4056 (diag.2101)

Set 445 had its intermediate buffers removed.

Lancing painting date 19th February 1937 with a last recorded Southern Railway varnish on 16th November 1943.

Post-nationalisation record cards are currently missing.

Set 445 was withdrawn 11th October 1959.

 

 

‘New’ 2 Cor set formed of Maunsell High-Window Restriction ‘1’ stock for 17th June 1963 CWNA.

BSK 3697 (diag.2104)

CK 5607 (diag.2302)

Replacement 2 Cor set withdrawn 27th March 1965.

 

446

3 Cor formed 17th August 1928:

BTK 4057 (diag.2101)
CK 5148 (diag.2301)
BTK 4058 (diag.2101)

Set 446 had its intermediate buffers removed.

Lancing painting date 30th January 1935 thence 13th June 1941 with a last recorded Southern Railway varnish on 19th May 1947.

It was outshopped from Eastleigh (damage repair) on 18th December 1939.

Post-nationalisation, this set was outshopped Crimson Lake & Cream livery 30th May1951 thence Green on 27th March 1958 (date of last vehicle painted).

It was outshopped from Eastleigh (slight damage) on 15th July 1954.

 

Set 446 was sent to Hassocks on 25th March 1960 for onward transit to Lancing following withdrawal on 11th October 1959.

Weekly Return memos titled ‘Steam & Electric Stock under & awaiting repairs’ to M.S.Hatchell Esq., RSO, Eastleigh from Waterloo Inspector R H Griffiths (Ref. RS.51/2/12) identified 3 Set 446 + 1801 SK as being at Hassocks as follows:

W/E 28-1-61 (dated 27th January 1961)

W/E 4-2-61 (dated 4th February 1961)

W/E 18-2-61 (dated 17th February 1961)

W/E 25-2-61 (dated 24th February 1961)

W/E 4-3-61 (dated 3rd March 1961)

Weekly Return memos titled ‘Steam & Electric Stock under & awaiting repairs W/E 11-3-61’ (dated 10th March 1961) to M.S.Hatchell Esq., RSO, Eastleigh from Waterloo Inspector R H Griffiths (Ref. RS.51/2/12) identified 3 Set 446 as being at Seaford.

Memo titled ‘Withdrawal of Coaching Stock Phase 11’ (dated 13th May 1961) to M.S. Hatchell (RSO Eastleigh) from Waterloo Inspector Ernie Tozer (Ref. RS/51/3/1D) states set 446 at Seaford to be marked as condemned, carded to Newhaven for disposal of bodies and bogies, underframes to Lancing.

 

 

‘New’ 2 Cor set formed of Maunsell High-Window Restriction ‘1’ stock for 17th June 1963 CWNA.

BSK 3699 (diag.2104)

CK 5609 (diag.2302)

Replacement 2 Cor set withdrawn 27th March 1965.

 

447

3 Cor formed September 1928:

BTK 4059 (diag.2101)
CK 5149 (diag.2301)
BTK 4061 (diag.2101)

Set 447 had its intermediate buffers removed with the exception of 1st class end of CK 5149 (adjacent BTK 4061 had its intermediate buffers removed).

Lancing painting date 1st July 1937 thence 21st December 1946 with a last recorded Southern Railway varnish on 26th June 1947.

Post-nationalisation record cards are currently missing. Crimson Lake & Cream livery date not known. Outshopping BR(S) Green completed 5th February 1957.

Set 447 was withdrawn Lancing 11th October 1959. Memo titled ‘Kent Coast Electrification, Steam Stock for Withdrawal W/E 18-7-59’ (dated 22nd July 1959) to F.J. Pepper (RSO Eastleigh) from Waterloo Inspector Ernie Tozer (RS/51/1/61A/BO) states set 447 at Horsted Keynes as ‘not yet marked’ as condemned.

Memo titled ‘Kent Coast Electrification, Steam Stock for Withdrawal. Stock berthed at Horsted Keynes 8-9-59’ (dated 9th September 1959) to F.J. Pepper (RSO Eastleigh) from Waterloo Inspector Ernie Tozer (RS/51/1/51/BA) reports “It has been reported by the Station Master to the Railway Police that the tool boxes in the berthed stock have been broken open and contents stolen. I have inspected a large number of these berthed vehicles and report my findings as follows: - Commencing Ardingly end: [comprehensive list of stock follows]”

In terms of stock inspected on 9th (September 1959) against set 447 the report only records the two brake coaches:

BSK 4059 In van and in order 1 CO2 2 Buckets. Lavatory and Guard’s door missing, could have been removed at Lancing, no record.

BSK 4061 Stripped at Lancing Empty box on floor. In van and in order 1 CO2 2 Buckets. All compartment doors stripped down and inside vehicle, lavatory and Guard’s door missing, could have been dealt with prior to dispatch from Lancing, no record.

 

 

‘New’ 2 Cor set formed of Maunsell High-Window Restriction ‘1’ stock for 17th June 1963 CWNA.

BSK 3705 (diag.2104)

CK 5619 (diag.2302)

Replacement 2 Cor set withdrawn 27th March 1965.

 

448

3 Cor formed September 1928:

BTK 4060 (diag.2101)
CK 5150 (diag.2301)
BTK 4062 (diag.2101)

Set 448 had its intermediate buffers removed.

Lancing painting date 1st July1937 thence 21st December 1946 with a last recorded Southern Railway varnish on 26th June 1947.

Post-nationalisation record cards are currently missing. Outshopping BR(S) Green completed BR(S) Green 23rd October 1956.

Set 448 was disbanded with BTK 4060 & CK 5150 withdrawn at Lancing on 20th September 1959. BTK 4062 went to set 436.

BTK 4062 to set 436 replacing BTK 3188 (which was removed from set 436 and withdrawn at Lancing on 4th October 1958). BTK 4062 was repainted 8th December 1958 and was withdrawn from set 436 on 5th January 1962.

 

 

‘New’ 2 Cor set formed of Maunsell High-Window Restriction ‘1’ stock for 17th June 1963 CWNA.

BSK 3707 (diag.2104)

CK 5621 (diag.2302)

Replacement 2 Cor set withdrawn 30th January 1965.

 

 

 

 

 

4 Cor Sets
(449-454) HO no.288

Sets 449 to 454 were Maunsell 59’ Restriction ‘1’ stock. Built at Eastleigh works, these had low windows and six-compartment brakes. Formed 4th January 1929 (449-450), 2nd February 1929 (451-452), 26th February 1929 (453) & 25th February 1929 (454) to HO order no. E288 in lined Olive livery. Allocated to the South Western Division (SWD). The BTK coaches were in the number range 4067 to 4078; the CK being 5159 to 5170. Most of these coaches remained in their allotted set without change until withdrawal.

Towards the end of their lives the following sets were reduced to 2 Cor: 449, 450, 451 with ‘new’ 2 Cor sets formed from the coaches removed from these sets. In terms of set numbering this was part of a 2 Cor set numbering range 444 to 467 for CWNA ‘E’ Tonbridge – East Grinstead – Tunbridge Wells West - Brighton - Redhill - Reading Southern services.

 

Formation

Set
No.

Formed

BTK
No.

CK
No.

CK
No.

BTK
No.

449

4-Jan-29
(4 Cor)

4067

5159

5160

4068

 

c.Sep-62

4067

5159

5160
(to 460)

4068
(to 460)

Wdn.

27-Mar-65

27-Mar-65

27-Mar-65

 

 

450

4-Jan-29
(4 Cor)

4069

5161

5162

4070

 

Feb-61
(4 Cor)

4069
(2-Feb-61)

5161
(2-Feb-61)

5162
(2-Feb-61)

4070
(2-Feb-61)

Wdn.

2-Feb-61

2-Feb-61

2-Feb-61

2-Feb-61

2-Feb-61

Reformed

by 18-Jun-62
(4 Cor)

(BSO)
4447

5630

5632

(BSO)
4448

 

c.Sep-1962
(2 Cor)

(BSO)
4447

5630

5632
(to 461)

(BSO)
4448
(to 461)

Wdn.

27-Mar-65

27-Mar-65

27-Mar-65

 

 

451

2-Feb-29
(4 Cor)

4071

5163

5164

4072

 

c.Sep-1962
(2 Cor)

4071

5163

5164
(to 463)

4072
(to 463)

Wdn.

16-May-64

16-May-64

16-May-64

 

 

452

2-Feb-29
(4 Cor)

4073

5165

5166

4074

Wdn.

31-Oct-59

31-Oct-59

31-Oct-59

31-Oct-59

31-Oct-59

Reformed

18-Jun-62
(CWNA)

(BSO)
4432

5610
W 30-Oct-64

5633

(BSO)
4443

 

17-Jun-63
(CWNA)

(BSO)
4432

5610

5633
(462)

(BSO)
4443
(462)

Wdn.

oou Nov-63?

12-Mar-64

By 30-Oct-64

 

 

453

26-Feb-29
(4 Cor)

4075

5167

5168

4076

 

9-Oct-59
(Withdrawn)

4075

5167

5168

4076

 

Wdn

26-Sep-59

26-Sep-59

26-Sep-59

26-Sep-59

Reformed

18-Nov-59
(4 Cor)

4092
(ex.156)

5626
(ex.464)

5617
(ex.455)

4080
(ex.466)

 

10-May-61

4092
(W 12-Jul-59)

5626

5617

4080

 

by 12-Jul-61
(4 Cor)

4082
(ex.466)

5626

5617

4080

 

17-Jun-63

4082

5626
(to 464)

5617

4080
(to 464)

 

Wdn

1-Oct-64

 

1-Oct-64

 

454

25-Feb-29
(4 Cor)

4077
(W 27-Nov-40)

5169

5170

4078

 

Nov-40
(4 Cor)

4079

5169

5170

4078

 

17-Jun-63
(2 Cor)

4079

5169

5170
(to 465)

4078
(to 465)

Wdn.

Dec-63

Dec-63

Dec-63

 

 

 

 

Individual Set Notes
(450 – 454)

Set

Notes

449

4 Cor released Eastleigh 4th January 1929.

BTK 4067 (diag.2104)
CK 5159 (diag.2302)
CK 5160 (diag.2302)
BTK 4068 (diag.2104)

From Crimson Lake & Cream livery, outshopping BR(S) Green completed 6th February 1957.

Reformed to 2 Cor in 21st August 1962 as follows (with BSK 4068 and CK 5160 to set 460):

BSK 4067 (diag.2104)
CK 5159 (diag.2302)

Set withdrawn 27th March 1965.

450

4 Cor released Eastleigh works 4th January 1929.

BTK 4069 (diag.2104)
CK 5161 (diag.2302)
CK 5162 (diag.2302)
BTK 4070 (diag.2104)

Set outshopped Malachite 25th January 1943, CLC 16th July 1952 thence BR(S) Green 13th January 1958.

These four coaches withdrawn 2nd February 1961.

 

 

‘New’ 4 Cor set 450 formed (by 18th June 1962) with BR(S) Green nondescript BSO and High Window restriction ‘1’ CK stock as follows:

BSO 4447 (diag.2654)
CK 5630 (diag.2302)
CK 5632 (diag.2302)
BSO 4448 (diag.2654)

Circa September 1962 this set was reduced to a 2 Cor as follows with BSO 4448 and CK 5632 to set 461. Set now formed:

BSO 4447 (diag.2654)
CK 5630 (diag.2302)

Set withdrawn 27th March 1965.

 

451

4 Cor released Eastleigh works 2nd February 1929.

BTK 4071 (diag.2104)
CK 5163 (diag.2302)
CK 5164 (diag.2302)
BTK 4072 (diag.2104)

Set repainted Olive 17th February 1936, outshopped Malachite 16th May 1946, CLC 16th September 1954 thence BR(S) Green 14th August 1958.

Reformed to 2 Cor in September 1962 (for 17th June 1963 CWNA) as follows (with BSK 4072 and CK 5164 to set 463):

BSK 4071 (diag.2104)
CK 5163 (diag.2302)

Withdrawn 16th May 1964.

 

452

4 Cor released Eastleigh works 2nd February 1929.

BTK 4073 (diag.2104)
CK 5165 (diag.2302)
CK 5166 (diag.2302)
BTK 4074 (diag.2104)

Damage repairs at Lancing 20th February 1941 to 7th March 1941.

Set repainted Olive 30th November, outshopped Malachite 20th March 1944 & 8th December 1948. This set may not have received CLC and was not outshopped BR(S) Green before being condemned on 31st October 1959 (it had been included in the 2nd November 1959 CWNA).

 

 

Replacement 4 Cor set formed of Maunsell Restriction ‘1’ stock for 18th June 1962 Appendix to Carriage Working Notice. BSO 4432 & BSO 4433 were nondescript brakes; CK 5610 & CK 5633 High-Window coaches.

BSO 4432 (diag.2654)

CK 5610 (diag.2302)

CK 5633 (diag.2302)

BSO 4433 (diag.2654)

Reformed to 2 Cor set for 17th June 1963 Appendix to Carriage Working Notice. BSO 4432 & CK 5633 to 2 Cor set 462.

BSO 4432 (diag.2654)

CK 5610 (diag.2302)

Set possibly out of use November 1963. BSO 4432 withdrawn by 12th March 1964, CK 5610 by 30th October 1964.

 

453

4 Cor released Eastleigh 26th February 1929.

BTK 4075 (diag.2104)
CK 5168 (diag.2302)
CK 5167 (diag.2302)
BTK 4076 (diag.2104)

Outshopped Lancing Works Olive 26th June 1936, Malachite 4th September 1943, CLC 12th July 1949 and BR(S) Green 3rd October 1958.

Set 453 was withdrawn from Brighton 26th September 1959 (Lancing Works record card states condemned 9th October 1959). In a memo dated 29th September 1959 to F J Pepper (RSO Eastleigh) titled ‘Kent Coast Electrification, Steam Stock for Withdrawal W/E 26-9-59’ (ref. RS/51/1/51A/BA) Waterloo Inspector Ernie Tozer identifies BSK 4075, CK 5167, CK 5168 & BSK 4076 of 453 Set ‘Brighton to Newhaven direct, marked condemned’.

 

 

Replacement 4 Cor set 453 was formed October 1959 (appearing in 2nd November 1959 CWNA) with BR(S) Green liveried coaches as follows:

BSK 4092 (diag.2104)
CK 5626 (diag.2302)
CK 5617 (diag.2302)
BSK 4080 (diag.2104)

BSK 4092 was a Restriction ‘1’ high-window six compartment brake to diag.2104 built Eastleigh November 1929 originally from set 183 via Loose & set 156.

CK 5626 and CK 5617 were Restriction ‘1’ high-window seven compartment composites to diag.2302 built Eastleigh between January & April 1931. CK 5626 was originally from set 219 (released 14th April 1931) via Loose and set 464 while CK 5617 was originally from set 218 (released 26th February 1931) via set 455.

BSK 4080 was a Restriction ‘1’ low-window six compartment brake to diag.2104 built Eastleigh between January & March 1929 originally from set 465 (released 21st March 1929) via set 466.

2nd November 1959 CWNA stated CK 5676 instead of CK 5616 (with formation as 4092 + 5617 + 5676 + 4080). However, this is amended to CK 5626 by 13th June 1960 CWNA (with formation as 4092 + 5617 + 5626 + 4080). CK 5676 had been withdrawn in October 1959.

In a memo dated 10th May 1961 to M S Hatchell (RSO Eastleigh) Waterloo Inspector Ernie Tozer stated “BSK No. 4092 of 453 Set is in very bad condition, and I suggest BSK 4082 P7-56, V4-58 on this A list be retained and the former withdrawn.” No. 4092 was summarily withdrawn and the set reformed:

Note – this change did not take place in time for the 12th June 1961 CWNA) which still shewed BSK 4092.

BSK 4082 (diag.2104)
CK 5626 (diag.2302)
CK 5617 (diag.2302)
BSK 4080 (diag.2104)

4 Cor set 453 was reduced to 2 Cor for the 17th June 1963 CWNA with BSK 4080 & CK 5626 going to form 2 Cor set 464.

BSK 4082 (diag.2104)
CK 5617 (diag.2302)

2 Cor set 453 believed withdrawn from service during period of 15th June 1964 CWNA with BSK 4080 and CK 5617 both withdrawn at Tonbridge on 1st October 1964.

 

454

4 Cor released Eastleigh 25th February 1929.

BTK 4077 (diag.2104)
CK 5169 (diag.2302)
CK 5170 (diag.2302)
BTK 4078 (diag.2104)

Outshopped Lancing Works Olive 28th December 1936,

BTK 4077 damaged possibly by enemy action early October 1940 and replaced by BTK 4079  (ex.465) with body of BTK 4077 broken up at Stewarts Lane (New Cross Gate report dated 27th November 1940). Set now formed:

BTK 4079 (diag.2104)
CK 5169 (diag.2302)
CK 5170 (diag.2302)
BTK 4078 (diag.2104)

Set outshopped Lancing (damage) 12th November 1941.

Outshopped malachite 4th January 1945, CLC 10th October 1954 and BR(S) Green 5th March 1958.

4 Cor set 454 was reduced to 2 Cor for the 17th June 1963 CWNA with BSK 4078 & CK 5170 going to form 2 Cor set 465. Set now formed:

BSK 4079 (diag.2104)
CK 5169 (diag.2302)

Set withdrawn December 1963 with an Eastleigh memo dated 24th January 1964 (reference RS.51/1/63/BU) titled ‘Reduction of coaching stock W/E 25-1-64’ identified BSK 4079 & CK 5169 as having been withdrawn and marked condemned at Eastbourne.

A subsequent Eastleigh memo dated 22nd April 1964 (reference RS.51/3/1/BU) titled ‘Condemned coaching vehicles – Disposal’ [to South Wales] identified BSK 4079 & CK 5169 as having been sold to Birds Motors on 25th April 1964 having been dispatched from Eastbourne week-ending 18th April 1964.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

8 Cor Sets
(465 & 466)

Sets 465 and 466 comprised Maunsell 59’ Restriction ‘1’ stock. Built at Eastleigh Works these had low windows and six-compartment brakes. Formed 21st March 1929 (set 465) and 16th April 1929 (set 466) both to HO order no. E286 in lined Olive livery. Allocated new to the Central Division to work Eastbourne services (usually with the addition of one or two Pullman cars) until the 1935 electrification.

Latterly employed post-nationalisation as Special Traffic sets, set no.465 was downgraded in 1959 to a 6 Cor 2nd class-only set finishing its working life as the Margate Miners’ Train.

These set numbers were subsequent reused as 2 Cor sets for 17th June 1963. In terms of set numbering this was part of a 2 Cor set numbering range 444 to 467 for CWNA ‘E’ Tonbridge – East Grinstead – Tunbridge Wells West - Brighton - Redhill - Reading Southern services.

 

Set 465

Formed /Reform.

BTK
No.

TK
No.

FK
No.

FK
No.

FK
No.

FK
No.

TK
No.

BTK
No.

21-Mar-29
New 8 Cor

4079
(to 454)

833

7390

7391

7392

7393

834

4080

c.Aug-41
(8 Cor)

3110
(to Loose)

833

7390

7391

7392
(to Loose)

7393
(to Loose)

834

4080

 

BTK
No.

TK
No.

TK
No.

FK
No.

FK
No.

TK
No.

TK
No.

BTK
No.

4-Jun-45
(8 Cor)

2791
(ex.’Loose’)

2362

833

7390

7391

834

2363

4080
(to 466)

4-Apr-46
(8 Cor)

2791

2362

833

7390

7391

834

2363

3789
(ex./to Loose)

10-Apr-46
(8 Cor)

2791

2362

833

7390

7391

834

2363

4043
(ex.471)

Oct-47 - Jun-55
(CWNA)

2791

2362

833

7390

7391

834

2363

4043

19-Sep-55
(CWNA)

2791

833

2362

7390

7391

2363

834

4043
(Displaced)

 

BSK
No.

SK
No.

SK
No.

SK
No.

SK
No.

BSK
No.

 

 

12-Jan-59
(6 Cor)

2791

833

2362

2363

834

3754
(ex.455)

 

 

15-Jun-59
(CWNA)

2791

833

2362

2363

834

4043 (error)
(was 3754)

 

 

2-Nov-59
(6 Cor)

2791

833

2362

2363

834


3566

(ex.’Loose’)

 

 

c.Feb-61
(3 Cor)

2791

833

2362
(to ‘L’ & Wdn)

2363
(to ‘L’ & Wdn)

834
(to Loose)

3566

 

 

By Jun-61
(Disb.)

2791
(to Loose)

833
(to Loose)

-

-

-

3566
(Wdn Nov-61)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Reformed

BSK
No.

CK
No.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Jun-63

4078
(ex.454)

5170
(ex.454)

 

 

 

 

 

 

(Wdn Sep-63)

Dec-63

Dec-63

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Individual Set Notes

Set

Notes

465

Released Eastleigh 21st March 1929; Restriction ‘1’ stock.

BTK 4079 (diag.2104)
TK 833 (diag.2003)
FK 7390 (diag.2502)
FK 7391 (diag.2502)
FK 7392 (diag.2502)
FK 7393 (diag.2502)
TK 834 (diag.2003)
BTK 4080 (diag.2104)

Outshopped Lancing paint 12th December 1935.

Three coaches damage repaired Lancing 24th October 1940 to 14th November 1940. Three coaches damage repaired Lancing 24th January 1941 to 15th February 1941. Following this damage repair SR diag.131 BTK 3110 replaced BTK 4079 being a 56’ ex.LSWR coach (built July 1911 - withdrawn February 1954).

BTK 3110 (diag.131)
TK 833
(diag.2003)
FK 7390
(diag.2502)
FK 7391
(diag.2502)
FK 7392
(diag.2502)
FK 7393
(diag.2502)
TK 834
(diag.2003)
BTK 4080
(diag.2104)

Damage repair Eastleigh (Enemy Action) 3rd July 1944 to 7th July 1944. TK 834 & BTK 3110 in Eastleigh 17th January 1945 to 22nd February 1945.

Set reformed 4th June 1945 with BTK 3110 to Loose, FK 7392 & FK 7393 to Loose and replaced by BTK 2791 (ex.’Loose’ - diag.2113 High Window flush panelled stock built October - December 1935), TK 2362 & TK 2363 (both ex.’Loose’ Maunsell High-Window stock to diag.2003) as follows:

BTK 2791 (diag.2113 HW)
TK 2362 (diag.2003 HW)

TK 833
(diag.2003 LW)
FK 7390
(diag.2502 LW)
FK 7391
(diag.2502 LW)
TK 834
(diag.2003 LW)
TK 2363 (diag.2003 HW)
BTK 4080
(diag.2110 HW)

Outshopped Malachite Lancing 8th October 1945.

Set reformed 4th April 1946 with BTK 4080 removed thence to set 466. Lancing Works record cards indicates these were replaced by BTK 2791 (diag.2113 High Window flush panelled stock, built October - December 1935) and BTK 3789 (ex.’Loose’ - Maunsell High-Window Restriction ‘4’ coach to diag.2110) as follows:

BTK 2791 (diag.2113 HW)
TK 2362 (diag.2003 HW)

TK 833
(diag.2003 LW)
FK 7390
(diag.2502 LW)
FK 7391
(diag.2502 LW)
TK 834
(diag.2003 LW)
TK 2363 (diag.2003 HW)

BTK 3789 (diag.2110 HW)

However, on 10th April 1946 BTK 3789 was sent to Loose with six-compartment ex.LSWR ‘Ironclad’ (Restriction ‘4’) BTK 4043 (ex.471 – built c.December 1925) being used instead:

BTK 2791 (diag.2113 HW)
TK 2362 (diag.2003 HW)

TK 833
(diag.2003 LW)
FK 7390
(diag.2502 LW)
FK 7391
(diag.2502 LW)
TK 834
(diag.2003 LW)
TK 2363 (diag.2003 HW)

BTK 4043 (diag.137 ‘Ironclad’)

Slight damage repair Lancing to BTK 4043 13th September 1946 to 19th December 1946.

Note: FK 7658 (7 comp ‘Ironclad’ to diag.476 built Lancing December 1925) appears on the Lancing Works record card for set 465 post 1948 as ‘ex.’Loose’ but is also crossed out. When or if it was intended to be used in set 465 is unknown.

Outshopped E-exam TK 2362, TK 2363, BTK 2791 & TK 4043 and A2-exam TK 833, TK 834, FK 7390 & FK 7391 Lancing 5th December 1951 (so CLC possibly not applied at this time).

The 19th September 1955 CWNA shews a change in coach order as follows:

BTK 2791 (diag.2113 HW)
TK 833
(diag.2003 LW)
TK 2362 (diag.2003 HW)

FK 7390
(diag.2502 LW)
FK 7391
(diag.2502 LW)
TK 2363 (diag.2003 HW)

TK 834
(diag.2003 LW)
BTK 4043
(diag.137 ‘Ironclad’)

FK 7391 outshopped BR(S) Green Lancing 26th October 1956 thence stabled at Chichester.

FK 7390, FK 7391, SK 833 & SK 834 received E4 exam Lancing (with BTK 2791, TK 2362. SK 2363 & BTK 4043 receiving an A2 exam) outshopped BR(S) Green livery 18-April 1957

FK 7390  & FK 7391 were removed from the set to Loose c.January 1959 and BSK 4043 (displaced and withdrawn August 1959) replaced by BSK 3754 (ex.455 built Eastleigh April 1933 with two Lavatory vents – painted Malachite January 1948). The set was now allocated as ‘Margate Miners’ train’.

BSK 2791 (diag.2113 HW)
SK 833
(diag.2003 LW)
SK 2362 (diag.2003 HW)

SK 2363 (diag.2003 HW)
SK 834
(diag.2003 LW)
BSK 3754 (diag.2102 HW)

The 15th June 1959 CWNA shews a change in coach order as follows although BSK 4043 had already been replaced by BSK 3754 c.12th January 1959:

BSK 2791 (diag.2113 HW)
SK 833
(diag.2003 LW)
SK 2362 (diag.2003 HW)

SK 2363 (diag.2003 HW)
SK 834
(diag.2003 LW)
BSK 4043
[should state 3754]

‘Thanet’ BSK 3566 (ex.388 via Loose built Eastleigh between October 1924 & March 1935 outshopped BR(S) Green February 1959) replaced BSK 3754 (condemned 9th October 1959 with the 2nd November 1959 CWNA as follows:

BSK 2791 (diag.2113 HW)
SK 833
(diag.2003 LW)
SK 2362 (diag.2003 HW)

SK 2363 (diag.2003 HW)
SK 834
(diag.2003 LW)
BSK 3566 (diag.165 ‘Thanet’)

Slight damage repair Lancing to SK 834 14th February 1961 to 23rd February 1961. TK 834 to Loose and TK 2362 & TK 2363 initlaay to Loose’ but withdrawn. Set reduced to 3 Cor as follows:

BSK 2791 (diag.2113 HW)
SK 833
(diag.2003 LW)
BSK 3566 (diag.165 ‘Thanet’)

Set 465 disbanded soon after (with remaining coaches to ‘Loose’ although BSK 3566 withdrawn November 1961 & SK 833 withdrawn December 1961) and did not appear in the 12th June 1961 Appendix for Carriage Working Notice.

 

 

 

‘New’ 2 Cor set formed for 17th June 1963 with green Maunsell Low-Windows Restriction ‘1’ coaches ex. set 454:

BSK 4078 (diag.2104)
CK 5170 (diag.2302)

Withdrawn December 1963.

 

 

 

Set 466

Formed /Reform.

BTK
No.

TK
No.

FK
No.

FK
No.

FK
No.

FK
No.

TK
No.

BTK
No.

Apr-29
New 8 Cor

4081

835

7394

7395

7396

7397

836

4082

c.1933
(6 Cor)

4081

835

7394

7395
(to Loose)

7396
(to Loose)

7397

836
(to Loose)

4082

1941
(6 Cor)

4081
Wdn. Nov.45

835

7394

-

-

7397

836

4082

 

BTK
No.

TK
No.

TK
No.

FK
No.

FK
No.

TK
No.

TK
No.

BTK
No.

1945
(8 Cor)

4080

2360
(ex.’Loose’)

835

7397

7392

836

2361
(ex.’Loose’)

4082

Oct-47 – Jun-55
(CWNA)

4080

2360

835

7397

7392

836

2361

4082

19-Sep-55
(CWNA)

4080

835

2360

7392

7397

2361

836

4082

15-Jun-59
(CWNA)

4080
(To 453)

835

2360

7392

7397

2361

836

4082

2-Nov-59
(CWNA)

3574
(ex.220 via L)
Wdn Nov-59

835

2360

7392

7397

2361

836

4082

13-Jun-60
(CWNA)

6650
(ex.’Loose’)

835

2360

7392

7397

2361

836

4082

Disb. c.Jun-61

To 180

Jul-61

Jul-61

Jul-61

Jul-61

Jul-61

Jul-61

To 453
(Wdn. Dec-61)

Reformed

BSK
No.

CK
No.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Jun-63

4063
(ex.467)

5153
(ex.467)

 

 

 

 

 

 

(Wdn ?)

Mar-65

Mar-65

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Individual Set Notes

Set

Notes

466

Released Eastleigh 16th April 1929; Restriction ‘1’ stock.

BTK 4081 (diag.2104)
TK 835 (diag.2003)
FK 7394 (diag.2502)

FK 7395 (diag.2502)
FK 7396 (diag.2502)
FK 7397 (diag.2003)
TK 836 (diag.2003)
BTK 4082 (diag.2104)

c.1933 set reformed with FK 7395 & FK 7396 to ‘Loose’ as follows with FK 7395 subsequently withdrawn December 1940 (Enemy Action):

BTK 4081 (diag.2104)
TK 835 (diag.2003)
FK 7394 (diag.2502)

FK 7397 (diag.2003)
TK 836 (diag.2003)
BTK 4082 (diag.2104)

Outshopped Olive Lancing 23rd May 1939.

Entered Lancing 23rd December 1940 (damage repair) outshopped 24th January 1941.

FK 7397 entered Eastleigh 18th June 1941 and outshopped 8th December 1941.

6 Cor set 465 entered Lancing Works 20th July 1943 (damage repair) outshopped 10th August 1943 with FK 7397 outshopped 9th October 1943. 1941.

BTK 4081 withdrawn 17th November 1945 following an incident at Woking on 10th November 1945. Set 466 (6 Cor) reformed 4th April 1946 with BTK 4080 (ex.Set 465).

BTK 4080 (diag.2104)
TK 835
(diag.2003)
FK 7394 (diag.2502)

FK 7397 (diag.2003)

TK 836
(diag.2003)
BTK 4082
(diag.2104)

Augmented to 8 Cor with 8-compt. High Window diag.2003 SK 2360 & 2361 (both ex.’Loose’) in 1945.

BTK 4080 (diag.2104 LW)
TK 2360 (diag.2003 HW)
TK 835
(diag.2003 LW)
FK 7394 (diag.2502 LW)

FK 7397 (diag.2003 LW)

TK 836
(diag.2003 LW)
TK 2361 (diag.2003 HW)
BTK 4082
(diag.2104 LW)

Seven coaches of set 453 outshopped Lancing E4 exam Malachite Green 4th June 1946 with FK 7394 outshopped Eastleigh paint 20th December 1946.

BTK 4080 entered Eastleigh 7th March 1951 (damage repair) and outshopped 24th May 1951.

FK 7397 outshopped E4-exam (CLC?) Lancing 10th March 1954 (remainder A2) thence the remainder outshopped E4-exam Crimson Lake & Cream (order being SK 2360, SK 2361, BSK 4080, FK 7392, SK 836, SK 835 & BSK 4082) 10th July 1956 (FK 7397 A2 varnish).

The 15th June 1959 CWNA shews a change in coach order as follows:

BTK 4080 (diag.2104 LW)
TK 835
(diag.2003 LW)
TK 2360 (diag.2003 HW)

FK 7392 (diag.2502 LW)

FK 7397 (diag.2003 LW)

TK 2361 (diag.2003 HW)
TK 836
(diag.2003 LW)
BTK 4082
(diag.2104 LW)

BTK 4080 removed to set 453 by 2nd November 1959 CWNA and replaced with ‘Thanet’ BTK 3574 (diag.317 ex. set 220 via Loose.).

BTK 3574 (diag.317 ‘Thanet’)
TK 835
(diag.2003 LW)
TK 2360 (diag.2003 HW)

FK 7392 (diag.2502 LW)

FK 7397 (diag.2003 LW)

TK 2361 (diag.2003 HW)
TK 836
(diag.2003 LW)
BTK 4082
(diag.2104 LW)

BTK 3574 withdrawn November 1959 and replaced with High Window Restriction ‘4’ BCK 6650 (ex.’Loose’ diag.2401). 13th June 1960 CWNA as follows:

BCK 6650 (diag.2401 HW)
TK 835
(diag.2003 LW)
TK 2360 (diag.2003 HW)

FK 7392 (diag.2502 LW)

FK 7397 (diag.2003 LW)

TK 2361 (diag.2003 HW)
TK 836
(diag.2003 LW)
BTK 4082
(diag.2104 LW)

Set disbanded by June 1961 with 6650 to set 180, 4082 to set 453 and the remainder withdrawn July 1961.

FK 7394 reclassified as TK 657 diag. 2022 June 1954

FK 7396 reclassified as TK 658 diag. 2022 May 1954

 

 

 

‘New’ 2 Cor set formed for 17th June 1963 with Maunsell Low-Windows Restriction ‘1’ coaches ex. set 467:

BSK 4063 (diag.2104)
CK 5153 (diag.2302)

Withdrawn March 1965

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

8 Cor Sets
(467 & 468)

Sets 467 and 468 comprised Maunsell 59’ Restriction ‘1’ stock. Built at Eastleigh Works these had low windows and six-compartment brakes. Formed 25th October 1928 (set 467) and 9th November 1928 (set 468) both to HO order no. E160 in lined Olive livery. Allocated to the South Eastern Division (SED).

Set 467 was reformed as a 2 Cor set for 17th June 1963. In terms of set numbering this was part of a 2 Cor set numbering range 444 to 467 for CWNA ‘E’ Tonbridge – East Grinstead – Tunbridge Wells West - Brighton - Redhill - Reading Southern services.

Set 468 underwent numerous alterations (including damage from Enemy Action) and did not carry Crimson Lake & Cream livery (see Individual Set Notes).

The Appendices to Carriage Working Notices from 6th October 1947 shew set 468 allocated to ‘Rotherhithe Road for Special traffic’ then from 23rd May 1949 St. Leonards for Special Traffic, 26th September 1949 ‘Blackheath for Special Traffic’ before 5th  June 1950 from when it operated summer Hastings to LMR (later Hastings – Inter Regional Trains) services (these services would have been via Eastbourne) until 12th September 1960 (Maunsell set 468 last entry in a CWNA) where it was allocated back at ‘Blackheath for Special Traffic’ during the winter timetable.

After set 468 was disbanded in April 1961 a replacement BR(S) Green-liveried Restriction ‘4’ 10-set 468 was formed from Bulleid and Mk1 stock (later 11RB) in June 1961 for Victoria – Newhaven Harbour (Day Boat). Formation details and subsequent changes are included under Individual Set Notes.

 

Set 467

Formed /Reform.

BTK
No.

TK
No.

CK
No.

CK
No.

CK
No.

CK
No.

TK
No.

BTK
No.

25-Oct-28
New 8 Cor

4063

765

5151

5152

5153

5154

766

4064

c.1933
(7 Cor)

4063

765
(to 468)

5151

5152

5153

5154

766

4064

 

BTK
No.

CK
No.

Rest.
Car

CK
No.

TK
No.

CK
No.

CK
No.

BTK
No.

6-Oct-47
(CWNA)

4063

5151

‡

5153

766

5154

5152

4064

27-Sep-48
(CWNA)

4063

5151

‡

5153

766
(to 468)

5154

5152

4064

23-May-49
(CWNA)

4063

5151

-

5153

-

5154

5152

4064

26-Sep-49
(CWNA)

4063

5151
(to 217)

-

5153

-

5154

5152
(to 218)

4064

Jun-50 – Jun-62
(CWNA)

4063

-

-

5153

-

5154

-

4064

Mar-63
(2 Cor)

4063
(to 466)

-

-

5153
(to 466)

-

5154

-

4064

17-Jun-63 CWNA

-

-

-

-

-

5154

-

4064

Wdn.

(Mar-65)

 

 

(Mar-65)

 

Mar-65

 

May 65

 

 

Individual Set Notes

Set

 

Notes

 

467

8 Cor Restriction ‘1’  set released Eastleigh Works 25th October 1928:

BTK 4063 (diag.2101)
TK 765 (diag.2003)
CK 5151 (diag.2301)
CK 5152 (diag.2301)
CK 5153 (diag.2301)
CK 5154 (diag.2301)
TK 766 (diag.2003)
BTK 4064 (diag.2101)

Reduced to 7 Cor c.1933 as follows:

BTK 4063 (diag.2101)
CK 5151 (diag.2301)
CK 5152 (diag.2301)
CK 5153 (diag.2301)
CK 5154 (diag.2301)
TK 766 (diag.2003)
BTK 4064 (diag.2101)

Lancing painting dates 17th February 1937 (Olive), 27th October 1943 and 15th December 1948 (Malachite).

Restaurant car added by 6th October 1947 CWNA.

BTK 4063 (diag.2101)
CK 5151 (diag.2301)

‡ Rest. Car

CK 5152 (diag.2301)
CK 5153 (diag.2301)
CK 5154 (diag.2301)
TK 766 (diag.2003)
BTK 4064 (diag.2101)

‡ Not stencilled with set number.

Reformed with Restaurant Car and TK 766 removed by 23rd May 1949 CWNA. TK 766 into set 468 26th May 1949.

BTK 4063 (diag.2101)
CK 5151 (diag.2301)
CK 5152 (diag.2301)
CK 5153 (diag.2301)
CK 5154 (diag.2301)

BTK 4064
(diag.2101)

Reformed with CK 5152 removed (to 218) by 5th June 1950 CWNA.

BTK 4063 (diag.2101)
CK 5151 (diag.2301)
CK 5153 (diag.2301)
CK 5154 (diag.2301)

BTK 4064
(diag.2101)

Outshopping Crimson Lake & Cream completed 8th April 1957 and BR(S) Green 3rd December 1957.

Reformed as 2 Cor set for 17th June 1963 with BSK 4063 & CK 5153 to ‘new’ 2 Cor set 466.

BSK 4064 (diag.2104)
CK 5154
(diag.2302)

Set out-of-use (September 1964?) with BSK 4064 and CK 5154 withdrawn May 1965.

 

 

 

Set 468

Formed /Reform.

BTK
No.

TK
No.

CK
No.

CK
No.

CK
No.

CK
No.

TK
No.

BTK
No.

9-Nov-28
New 8 Cor

4065

767

5155

5156

5157

5158

768

4066

c.1933
(7 Cor)

4065

767

5155

5156

5157

5158
(to Loose)

768

4066

 

BTK
No.

TK
No.

CK
No.

CK
No.

CK
No.

TK
No.

TK
No.

BTK
No.

2-Jan-35
(7 Cor)

4065

767

5155

5156

5157
(to Loose)

765
(ex.’Loose’)

768

4066

1-Sep-45
Enemy Action

4065
(W 8-Sep-45)

767

5155
(to Loose)

5156
(W 8-Sep-45)

-

765

768

4066

 

BTK
No.

TK
No.

TK
No.

CK
No.

CK
No.

TK
No.

TK
No.

BTK
No.

1946
(7 Cor)

4095
(ex.’Loose’)

765

767

5158
(ex.’Loose’)

5157
(ex.’Loose’)

768

-

4066

6-Oct-47 (CWNA)

4095

765

767

5158

5157

768

-

4066

23-May-49
(CWNA)

4095

765

767

5158

5157

768

766
(ex.467)

4066

Jun-50
(8 Cor)

4095

765
(to 218)

767

5158

5157

768

766
(to 217)

4066

5-Jun-50
(CWNA)

4095

1198
(ex.’Loose’)

1225
(ex.’Loose’)

5158

5157

768

767

4066

May-51
(6 Cor)

4095

1198

1225

5158

5157

768

767

4066
(to set 460)

18-Jun-51
(CWNA)

4095

1198

1225

5158

5157

768

767

6584
(ex.’Loose’)

13-Jun-55
(CWNA)

4095

1198

1225

5158

5157

768

767

6584

19-Sep-55
(CWNA)

4095

767

1198

5158

5157

1225
(1125 stated)

768

6584

 

BSK
No.

SK
No.

SK
No.

CK
No.

CK
No.

SK
No.

SK
No.

BSK
No.

15-Jun-59
CWNA

4095

767

1198

5158

5157

1225

768

6584

Sep-59
(8 Cor)

4095
(W 9-Oct-59)

767
(W 10-Oct-59)

1198

5158
(W 11-Oct-59)

5157
(W 9-Oct-59)

1225

768
(W Nov-59)

6584
(W 9-Oct-59)

2-Nov-59
CWNA

3550

1217

1198

5591

5155

1225

768

3554

Nov-59
(8 Cor)

3550
(ex.’Loose’)

1217
(ex.’Loose’)

1198

5591
(ex.’Loose’)

5155
(ex.’Loose’)

1225

1142
(ex.’Loose’)

3554
(ex.’Loose’)

Apr-61
(Disb.)

3550
(Wdn)

1217
(to Loose)

1198
(W 28-Apr-61)

5591
(Wdn)

5155
(Wdn)

1225
(to Loose)

1142
(Wdn)

3554
(Wdn)

Wdn.

Jul-61

(May-64)

28-Apr-61

Jul-61

Jul-61

(Apr-64)

Jul-61

Jul-61

 

Individual Set Notes

Set

 

Notes

 

468

8 Cor Restriction ‘1’  set released Eastleigh Works 9th November 1928.

BTK 4065 (diag.2101)
TK 767 (diag.2003)
CK 5155 (diag.2301)
CK 5156 (diag.2301)
CK 5157 (diag.2301)
CK 5158 (diag.2301)
TK 768 (diag.2003)
BTK 4066 (diag.2101)

Reduced to 7 Cor c.1933 with CK 5158 to Loose:

BTK 4065 (diag.2101)
TK 767 (diag.2003)
CK 5155 (diag.2301)
CK 5156 (diag.2301)
CK 5157 (diag.2301)
TK 768 (diag.2003)
BTK 4066 (diag.2101)

Reformed (7 Cor) 2nd January 1935 with TK 765 (ex.’Loose’) & CK 5157 to Loose:

BTK 4065 (diag.2101)
TK 767 (diag.2003)
CK 5155 (diag.2301)
CK 5156 (diag.2301)
TK 765 (diag.2003)
TK 768 (diag.2003)
BTK 4066 (diag.2101)

Outshopped Lancing paint 17th December 1936 and 21st October 1943.

Damage repair (Enemy Action) at Eastleigh (outshopped 2nd March 1945)

BTK 4065 and CK 5156 damaged 1st September 1945 (burnt up?) and withdrawn at Haywards Heath 8th September 1945. CK 5155 to Loose.

Set 468 reformed in 1946 (as 7 Cor) with Maunsell Restriction ‘4’ High-Window BTK 4095, CK 5157 and CK 5158 (all ex.’Loose’) :

BTK 4095 (diag.2101 HW)
TK 765 (diag.2003 LW)
TK 767 (diag.2003 LW)
CK 5158 (diag.2301 LW)
CK 5157 (diag.2301 LW)
TK 768 (diag.2003 LW)
BTK 4066 (diag.2101 LW)

TK 767 damage repair at Eastleigh (outshopped 2nd December 1946) then varnished at Selhurst (outshopped 30th December 1946).

Outshopped Lancing post-War Malachite Green 16th August 1948.

Strengthened to 8 Cor May 1949 with TK 766 (ex.467):

BTK 4095 (diag.2101 HW)
TK 765 (diag.2003 LW)
TK 767 (diag.2003 LW)
CK 5158
(diag.2301 LW)
CK 5157
(diag.2301 LW)
TK 768 (diag.2003 LW)
TK 766 (diag.2003 LW)
BTK 4066 (diag.2101 LW)

Reformed (8 Cor) c.5th June 1950 with TK 1198 (ex.’Loose’) & TK 1225 (ex.’Loose’). TK 765 to set 218 and TK 766 to set 217.

BTK 4095 (diag.2101 LW)
TK 1198 (diag.2003 HW)
TK 1225 (diag.2003 HW)
TK 767 (diag.2003 LW)
CK 5158
(diag.2301 LW)
CK 5157
(diag.2301 LW)
TK 768 (diag.2003 LW)
TK 766 (diag.2003 LW)
BTK 4066 (diag.2101 LW)

Reformed (8 Cor) c.31st May 1951 with BTK 6584 (ex.’Loose’) and BTK 4066 to set 460:

BTK 4095 (diag.2101 LW)
TK 1198 (diag.2003 HW)
TK 1225 (diag.2003 HW)
CK 5158
(diag.2301 LW)
CK 5157
(diag.2301 LW)
TK 768 (diag.2003 LW)
TK 767 (diag.2003 LW)
BTK 6584 (diag.2101 HW)

The order of the set’s coaches changed between the 13th June 1955 and 19th September 1955 Appendices to Carriage Working Notices. However, the exact date of this change is not recorded. The set was previously recorded as being in Lancing Works (A2 exam) between 24th September 1954 and 18th November 1954. The revised order was as follows:

BTK 4095 (diag.2101 LW)
TK 767 (diag.2003 LW)
TK 1198 (diag.2003 HW)
CK 5158
(diag.2301 LW)
CK 5157
(diag.2301 LW)
TK 1225 (diag.2003 HW)
TK 768 (diag.2003 LW)
BTK 6584 (diag.2101 HW)

Note - 19th September 1955 and 11th June 1956, 17th September 1956 Appendices to Carriage Working Notices each erroneously state TK no.1125 instead of no.1225 in set 468. This is corrected in the 17th June 1957 CWNA. The Lancing Works Record cards for TK 1125 confirms allocated ‘Loose’ during this period, nor is it included on any of the Lancing /CM&EE Record Cards for set 468.

Reformed September 1959 with coaches undergoing BR(S) Green repaint from post-War Malachite Green (outshopped 13th November 1959). BSK 4095, TK 767, CK 5158, CK 5157 & BCK 6584 displaced. Replacement coaches BSK 3550, SK 1217, CK 5591, CK 5155, BSK 3554 all ex.‘Loose’. BSK 3550 and BSK 3554 were ex.SECR Matchboarded Restriction ‘1’ Brake coaches.

BSK 3550 (diag.169)
SK 1217 (diag.2001 HW)
SK 1198 (diag.2001 HW)
CK 5591 (diag.2303 HW)
CK 5155 (diag.2302 LW)
SK 1225 (diag.2001 HW)
SK 768 (diag.2001 LW)
BSK 3554 (diag.169)

However, TK 768 was subsequently withdrawn November 1959 being replaced by TK 1142 (ex.’Loose’) presumably before the set re-entered traffic. 13th June 1960 Appendix to Carriage Working Notice confirms set as being formed:

BSK 3550 (diag.169)
SK 1217 (diag.2001 HW)
SK 1198 (diag.2001 HW)
CK 5591 (diag.2303 HW)
CK 5155 (diag.2302 LW)
SK 1225
(diag.2001 HW)
SK 1142 (diag.2001 HW)
BSK 3554 (diag.169)

Set 468 was disbanded in April 1961.

TK 1198 was withdrawn on 28th April 1961 with BSK 3550, BSK 3554, TK 1142, CK 5591 and CK 5515 all withdrawn by July 1961. TK 1217 and TK 1225 were allocated to ‘Loose’.

BSK 3550 SECR Matchboard ‘Continental’ to diag.169 6-compt. Restriction ‘1’ built by Metropolitan Carriage, Wagon & Finance Company between June 1924 & August 1924. Malachite livery 6th January 1948, CLC 29th October 1952 and BR(S) Green 16th August 1956. Withdrawn July 1961

BSK 3554 SECR matchboard ‘Continental’ to diag.169 6-compt. Restriction ‘1’ built by Metropolitan Carriage, Wagon & Finance Company July 1924. Malachite April 1946, varnished September 1952, CLC 25th October 1955, BR(S) Green 8th October 1957 After withdrawal (July 1961) no.3554 was preserved.

 

 

Replacement 10 set formed June 1961 for Victoria – Newhaven Harbour (Day Boat) 12th June 1961 CWNA as follows:

BSK* 3959 (Bulleid diag.2123)
SO 3925 (Mk1 diag.93)
SO 3933 (Mk1 diag.93)
SO 3934 (Mk1 diag.93)
FO
Ϯ3070 (Mk1 diag.73)
SO 3937 (Mk1 diag.93)
SO 3938 (Mk1 diag.93)
SO 3939 (Mk1 diag.93)
SO 3940 (Mk1 diag.93)
BSK* 3958 (Bulleid diag.2123)

* Semi-open type
‡ Not stencilled with set number
Ϯ Scheduled for Conversion or redeployment Bournemouth Electrification scheme.

Set reformed 15th December 1961 as follows:

BSK* 3959 (Bulleid diag.2123)
FK 7644 (Bulleid diag.2552 ex.’Loose’)
CK 15911 (Mk1 diag.128 ex.279)
SO 3925 (Mk1 diag.93)
SO 3933 (Mk1 diag.93)
SO 3934 (Mk1 diag.93) SO 3937 (Mk1 diag.93)

SO 3938 (Mk1 diag.93)
SO 3940 (Mk1 diag.93)
BSK* 3958 (Bulleid diag.2123)

* Semi-open type

Set altered to 11 RB c.June 1963.

Set reformed 15th December 1961 as follows:

BSK* 3959 (Bulleid diag.2123)
FK 7644 (Bulleid diag.2552 ex.’Loose’)
CK 15911 (Mk1 diag.128 ex.279)

SO 3925 (Mk1 diag.93)
SO 3933 (Mk1 diag.93)
SO 3934 (Mk1 diag.93)

RB ‡
SO 3937 (Mk1 diag.93)
SO 3938 (Mk1 diag.93)
SO 3940 (Mk1 diag.93)
BSK* 3958 (Bulleid diag.2123)

* Semi-open type
‡ Not stencilled with set number

SO 3925 to Loose June 1963. FK 7644 withdrawn October 1964.

SO 3933, SO 3937, SO 3938 & SO 3940 to Loose February 1965.

Reduced to 7 RB set for Victoria – Newhaven Harbour services for 14th June 1965 CWNA as follows:

BSK* 3959 (Bulleid diag.2123)
SO
Ϯ3934 (Mk1 diag.93)
CK 15911 (Mk1 diag.128)
RB ‡

FK ‡
SO
Ϯ3939 (Mk1 diag.93)
BSK* 3958 (Bulleid diag.2123)

* Semi-open type
‡ Not stencilled with set number
Ϯ Scheduled for Conversion or redeployment Bournemouth Electrification scheme.

Set disbanded September 1965 with BSK 3958 withdrawn 4th December 1965.

 

 

 

 

 

Set 469 with Pullman cars heading south through Haywards Heath behind Brighton Atlantic no.B421 ‘South Foreland’ on Saturday 19th July 1930.
© HC Casserley

Set 469 with Pullman cars heading south through Haywards Heath behind Brighton Atlantic no.B421 ‘South Foreland’ on Saturday 19th July 1930.

© HC Casserley

 

8 Cor Sets
(469 & 470)

Sets 469 and 470 comprised Maunsell 59’ Restriction 4 stock. Built at Eastleigh Works these had low windows and six-compartment brakes. Formed December 1926 (470 HO order no. E95) & February 1927 (469 HO order no. E96) in lined Olive livery. Allocated to the Central Division (CD).

 

Set 469

Formed /Reform.

BTK
No.

TK
No.

TK
No.

FK
No.

FK
No.

FK
No.

TK
No.

BTK
No.

Feb-27
(New 8 Cor)

4048

2349

2350

7665

7666

7667

2351

4049

8-Sep-33
(5 Cor)

4048

2349

2350

7665

7666
To Loose

7667
To 430

2351
To Loose

4049

1-Oct-41
(6 Cor)

4048

2349

2350

7665

-

-

2351
Ex.Loose

4049

c.Aug-44
(Damaged EA)

4048
Repaired

2349
Repaired

2350
In Eastleigh

7665
Repaired

-

-

2351
Repaired

4049
Not repaired

Sep-44
(6 Cor)

4048

2349

2350
In Eastleigh

7665

-

-

2351

4049
Wdn EA

4-Jun-45
(6 Cor)

4048

2349

2350
Rep. 8-Jun-45

7665

-

-

2351

2789
(ex.’Loose’)

6-Oct-47
(CWNA)

4048

2349

2350

7665

-

-

2351

2789

FK replaced with Rest. Car

BTK
No.

TK
No.

TK
No.

FK
No.

Rest.
Car

-

TK
No.

BTK
No.

5-Jun-50
(CWNA)

4048

2349

2350

7665

‡

-

2351

2789

21-Sep-53
(CWNA)

4048
(to Loose)

2349

2350

7665
(to Loose)

‡

-

2351

2789
(to Loose)

FK replaced with CK

BTK
No.

TK
No.

TK
No.

CK
No.

CK
No.

TK
No.

TK
No.

BTK
No.

14-Jun-54
8 Cor

4096

2349

2350

5801
(ex.’Loose’)

5802
(ex.’Loose’)

2351

2353

4097
(ex.’Loose’)

13-Apr-55
(6 Cor)

4096

2349

2350

5801
(to Loose)

5802
(to Loose)

2351

2353

4097

1-May-55
(8 Cor)

4096

2349

2350

5643
(ex.’Loose’)

5685
(ex.’Loose’)

2351

2353

4097

15-Jun-59
(CWNA)

4096

2349
To Loose

2350
To Loose

5643

5685

2351
To Loose

2353
To Loose

4097

2-Nov-59
(CWNA)

4096

797
(ex.462)

1833
(ex.462)

5643

5685

1237
(ex.471)

1804
(ex.471)


4097

Disb. Jun-61

To Loose
(Wdn Aug-61)

Wdn Jun-61

To Loose
(Wdn Dec-62)

Wdn Jun-61

Wdn Jun-61

To Loose
(Wdn Dec-61)

To Loose
(Wdn Dec-62)

Wdn Jun-61

 

 

Individual Set Notes

Set

 

Notes

 

469

8 Cor Restriction ‘4’ set formed February 1927:

BTK 4048 (diag.2102)
TK 2349 (diag.2001)
TK 2350 (diag.2001)
FK 7665 (diag.2501)
FK 7666 (diag.2501)
FK 7667 (diag.2501)
TK 2351 (diag.2001)
BTK 4049 (diag.2102)

Lancing painting date 14th May 1931, 16th April 1937 with a last recorded Southern Railway varnish on 5th October 1946.

FK 7666 to ‘Loose’, FK 7667 to set 430 and TK 2351 to ‘Loose’ 8th September 1933. 5 Cor set now formed as follows:

BTK 4048 (diag.2102)
TK 2349 (diag.2001)
TK 2350 (diag.2001)
FK 7665 (diag.2501)
BTK 4049 (diag.2102)

TK 2351 (ex.’Loose’) reinstated 1st October 1941. 6 Cor set now formed as follows:

BTK 4048 (diag.2102)
TK 2349 (diag.2001)
TK 2350 (diag.2001)
FK 7665 (diag.2501)

TK 2351 (diag.2001)
BTK 4049 (diag.2102)

Set damaged by Enemy Action c.August 1944 leading to BTK 4049 being withdrawn in September 1944. Remaining vehicles repaired now with flush panelled 6-compt. BTK 2789 (ex.’Loose’ – built 1935) reformed 4th June 1945 (TK 2530 repairs completed 8th June 1945). Set now formed as follows:

BTK 4048 (diag.2102 LW)
TK 2349 (diag.2001 LW)
TK 2350 (diag.2001 LW)
FK 7665 (diag.2501 LW)

TK 2351 (diag.2001 LW)
BTK 2789 (diag.2113 HW)

Outshopped Lancing (E-exam) 1st April 1949 although it is undetermined if this was Malachite or Crimson Lake and Cream.

Restaurant car included from 5th June 1950 CWNA. Set now formed as follows:

BTK 4048 (diag.2102 LW)
TK 2349 (diag.2001 LW)
TK 2350 (diag.2001 LW)
FK 7665 (diag.2501 LW)
Rest. Car ‡
TK 2351 (diag.2001 LW)
BTK 2789 (diag.2113 HW)

‡ Not stencilled with set number.

Set 469 reformed for 14th June 1954 CWNA with Restaurant car and FK 7665 replaced with Bulleid CK 5801 & CK 5802 (ex.’Loose’ - 10.25” sidelight vents to HO order no.E3246 3rd September 1948), BTK 4048 to ‘Loose’ replaced with BTK 4096 and  BTK 2798 (to ‘Loose’) replaced with BTK 4097; both replacement BTK coaches being 4-compt. High-Window Restriction ‘4’ (ex.’Loose’ built 1929). TK 2353 (ex.’Loose’) added.

Replacement coach painting dates were: BTK 4096 September 1944, BTK 4097 February 1949, TK 2349 & TK 2350 April 1949, TK 2351 & TK 2353 November 1946, CK 5801 & CK 5802 September 1948.

8 Cor now formed as follows:

BTK 4096 (diag.2101 HW)
TK 2349 (diag.2001 LW)
TK 2350 (diag.2001 LW)
CK 5801 (diag.2318 Bulleid)
CK 5802 (diag.2318 Bulleid)
TK 2351 (diag.2001 LW)
TK 2353 (diag.2001 LW)
BTK 4097 (diag.2101 HW)

Bulleid CK 5801 & CK 5802 to ‘Loose’ and replaced with Maunsell High-Window CK 5643 (ex. 194 via ‘Loose’) & CK 5685 (ex.237) from 1st May 1955 CWNA with coaches having entered Lancing 13th April 1955 as follows: TK 2853 (E4-exam) and TK 2349, TK 2351, BTK 4096, BTK 4097 and CK 5845 A2-exams (all outshopped 1st June 1955).

Set now formed as follows:

BTK 4096 (diag.2101 LW)
TK 2349 (diag.2001 LW)
TK 2350 (diag.2001 LW)
CK 5643 (diag.2301 HW)
CK 5685 (diag.2301 HW)
TK 2351 (diag.2001 LW)
TK 2353 (diag.2001 LW)

BTK 4097 (diag.2101 HW)

Outshopping BR(S) Green completed 3rd March 1958

Set reformed for 2nd November 1959 CWNA. With SK 2349, SK 2350, SK 2351 & SK 2535 (to ‘Loose’) replaced with Low Window SK 797 (ex.462), High Window SK 1833 (ex.462), SK 1237 (ex.471) & SK 1804 (ex.471). Set now formed as follows:

BSK 4096 (diag.2101 HW)
SK 797 (diag.2001 LW)
SK 1833 (diag.2001 HW)
CK 5643 (diag.2301 HW)
CK 5685 (diag.2301 HW)
SK 1237 (diag.2001 HW)
SK 1804 (diag.2001 HW)
BSK 4097 (diag.2101 HW)

Set disbanded by June 1961.

Disbandment as follows:

BSK 4096 to ‘Loose’ then wdn August 1961
SK 797 wdn June 1961
SK 1833 to ‘Loose’ then wdn December 1962
CK 5643 wdn June 1961
CK 5685 wdn June 1961
SK 1237 to ‘Loose’ then wdn December 1961
SK 1804 to ‘Loose’ then wdn December 1962
BSK 4097 wdn June 1961.

CK 5643 Built c.1932. ex.194 to ‘Loose’ June 1954 thence set 469 May 1955. Wdn June 1961.

CK 5685 Built 11th March 1932. ex.237 to set 469. Wdn June 1961.

CK 5801 (Bulleid) to HO order no.E3246 (3rd September 1948) Loose to Set 469 June 1954 to Loose June 1955 to set 201 November 1959 to set 436 June 1960 to Loose June 1963. Wdn January 1966. (E4 25th February 1959).Wdn 29th January 1966.

CK 5802 (Bulleid) to HO order no.E3246 (3rd September 1948) Loose to Set 469 June 1954 to Loose June 1955 to set 201 November 1959 (E4 5th November 1959) to Set 207 June 1960 to set 432 June 1962 to set 952 June 1964. Wdn September 1967.

FK 7665 Loose June 1954 thence set 897 June 1958. Wdn December 1959.

FK 7666 Loose 8th September 1933 thence 430 c.1942 (when set 430 was damaged c.July 1941 and reformed 10th June 1941) thence CLC 6th March 1951 Set 430 reformed 1st May 1955 Loose 22nd November 1956. Wdn July 1959.

FK 7667 identified as Loose but into set 430 on 8th September 1933. Replaced by 7666 and to Loose. Wdn October 1959.

 

 

 

Set 470

Set 470 was formed for Eastbourne to London services. The high amount of first-class accommodation along with the small baggage capacity of the 6 compartment brakes (BTK) suggests this was intended for business commuters. The set often ran formed with Pullman coaches inserted in its middle.

Lewes Tunnel had been constructed with a reduced six-foot at its southern-end requiring an ‘OPPOS’ (i.e. no opposing moves) for certain bogie stock particularly post-1907 builds (until then coaches were 8’6” wide).

Because of this operational restriction at Lewes Tunnel, in May 1927 running of 9’ wide Restriction 4  stock ceased between Keymer Junction and Lewes; the exception being the Newhaven boat train (Restriction 4 stock) which was allowed to continue provided the opposite line was kept clear of traffic while the boat train traversed Lewes Tunnel with an ‘OPPOS’ in operation.

In 1935 the southern-end of Lewes tunnel was widened for the new trains to be used on the electrification scheme to Eastbourne and Ore (there is a visible step within the tunnel’s lining on the down side).

As a consequence, in May 1927 set 470 was transferred to Worthing to London services to operate with counterpart set 469 often with the addition of a Pullman (contemporary reports identify this arrangement as ongoing without set changes in 1933).

Circa 1933 set 470 was reduced to 3 coaches (acquiring CK 5656) following electrification of the Brighton mainline and Worthing routes and allocated to London, Bognor and Portsmouth services until they were electrified in July 1938, thence transferred to the Eastern section on ‘general workings’.

5th May 1941 Appendix to Carriage Working Notice (CWNA) shews set 470 working London, Ashford, Maidstone East, Minster and Ramsgate services.

June 1947 CWNA shews set 470 working London, Margate, Ramsgate, Dover and turnover set at Stewarts Lane.

30th June 1952 through to 11th June 1956 CWNA shews 3 Cor set 470 working London – Margate – Ramsgate – Dover – East Grinstead – Tunbridge Wells West – Brighton – Lewes – Eastbourne and turnover set at Stewarts Lane.

From 15th June 1957 set 470 was strengthened to 8 set being berthed at Bellingham or Walmer in the Summer and Bellingham in the Winter. However, set 470 is absent from the 15th June 1957 CWNA having been withdrawn.

 

Set 470

Formed /Reform.

BTK
No.

TK
No.

FK
No.

FK
No.

FK
No.

FK
No.

TK
No.

BTK
No.

Feb-27
New 8-Cor

4050

2355

7674

7673

7672

7671

2354

4051

c.Sep-33
(3 Cor)

4050

2355
(to Loose)

7674
(to Loose)

7673
(to Loose)

7672
(to Loose)

7671
(to Loose)

2354
(to Loose)

4051

 

BTK
No.

 

 

CK
No.

 

 

 

BTK
No.

c.Dec-33
(3 Cor)

4050

-

-

5656
(ex-Loose)

-

-

-

4051

1947-56
CWNA

4050

-

-

5656

-

-

-

4051

 

BTK
No.

SO
No.

SO
No.

CK
No.

CK
No.

SO
No.

SO
No.

BTK
No.

22-Nov-56
(8 Cor)

4050

7977
(ex-Loose)

7985
(ex-Loose)

5656

5635
(ex 201)

7988
(ex-Loose)

4392
(ex-Loose)

4051

15-Jun-59
Withdrawn

4050
(to Loose)

7977

7985

5656
(to 204 via L
Nov-59)

5635
(to 204 via L
Nov-59)

7988

4392
(to 36)

4051
(to Loose)

Wdn

(Sep-.61)

Jul-59

Jul-59

(Oct-61)

(Oct-61)

Jul-59

(WR 13-Sep-63)

(Oct-61)

 

 

Individual Set Notes

Set

 

Notes

 

470

8 Cor formed February 1927:

BTK 4049 (diag.2102)
TK 2355 (diag.2001)
FK 7674 (diag.2501)
FK 7673 (diag.2501)
FK 7672 (diag.2501)
FK 7671 (diag.2501)
TK 2354 (diag.2001)
BTK 4050 (diag.2102)

c.December 1933 reformed to 3 Cor with TK 2354, TK 2355, FK 7671, FK 7672, FK 7673 & FK 7674 to ‘Loose’.

BTK 4049 (diag.2102)
CK 5656 (diag.2301 ex.’Loose’)
BTK 4050 (diag.2102)

Outshopped varnish 10th August 1940 and 18th September 1943. Outshopped Malachite 26th September 1946.

22nd November 1956 reformed to 8 Cor with ex. ‘Loose’ SO & CK vehicles.

BTK 4049 (diag.2102)
SO 7977 (diag.2653)
SO 7985 (diag.2653)
CK 5656 (diag.2301 HW)
CK 5635 (diag.2301 HW)
SO 7988 (diag.2653)
SO 4392 (diag.93)
BTK 4050 (diag.2102)

Outshopping BR(S) Green completed 29th May 1959 (some vehicles being repainted BR(S) Green from Crimson Lake & Cream in January 1958 [SO coaches] February 1956 CK 5635)

Set withdrawn by 15th June 1959.

 

SK 2354 diag.2001. To ‘loose’ c.33, Malachite to BR(S) Green 2-th February 1957. Withdrawn November 1961

SK 2355 diag.2001 To ‘loose’ c.33, CLC to BR(S) Green 7th February 1958. Withdrawn July 1961

SO 4392 diag.93 Lot. no. 30219 Mk1 built Swindon on Ashford underframe 18th May 1957 in CLC. Outshopped Green livery 13th January 1958 thence Maroon 13-Sep-63 for transfer to WR. Returned to SR 1973 and condemned at Carlisle in 1976, reinstated and withdrawn at Derby in January 1982. Preserved via TDB977632.

CK 5635 (diag.2301 rstn.‘4’ high-window Corridor Third) built Eastleigh new to set 201 on 9th October 1930. Malachite 27th May 1946. CLC-livery 13th December 1954. Into set 470 on 22nd November 1956. To ‘Loose’ 15th June 1959 thence BR(S) Green 27th July 1956 and set 204 November 1959. Withdrawn November 1961.

CK 5656 diag.2301 Maunsell High Window stock with two lavatory vents. Loose to set 470 c.Dec-63. CLC June 1955. BR(S) Green 3rd March 1959. To Loose September 1959 thence 8 Cor set 204 November 1959. Wdn October 1961.

FK 7671 diag.2501. To ‘loose’ c.1933, 443 June 1950, ‘loose’ June 1954, CLC to BR(S) Green 9th December 1958. Withdrawn October 1959.

FK 7672 (diag.2501 rstn.‘4’ low-window Corridor First) built Eastleigh and new to set 470 February 1927. To ‘Loose’ c.September 1933 thence set 202 in 1935. Outshopped Malachite October 1945.  ‘Loose’ 16th April 1951. Outshopped CLC-livery 28th April 1954 and BR(S) Green 13th February 1958. Withdrawn November 1959.

FK 7673 diag.2501. To ‘loose’ c.1933, set 760 May 1943, CLC-livery (date?), BR(S) Green and ‘Loose’ 4th June 1957, set 432 June 1959, Withdrawn December 1959

FK 7674 diag.2501. To ‘loose’ c.1933, set 250 c.1936, ‘loose’ June 1951, CLC-livery (date?), BR(S) Green and ‘Loose’ 30th September 1957. Withdrawn August 1959

SO 7977 (diag.2653) ex.Nondescript 7-bay saloon. CLC-livery (date?) to BR(S) Green 17th January 1958. Withdrawn July 1959.

SO 7985 (diag.2653) ex.Nondescript 7-bay saloon. CLC-livery (date?) to BR(S) Green 21st January 1958. Withdrawn July 1959.

SO 7988 (diag.2653) ex.Nondescript 7-bay saloon. CLC-livery (date?) to BR(S) Green 16th January 1958. Withdrawn July 1959.

 

 

 

 

 

A train on the railway tracks

Description automatically generated

Condemned ex.‘Loose’ FK S7223S
Gatwick 23rd August 1959.

© John J. Smith /Bluebell Railway Museum

 

Loose Vehicles

When record cards exist the following tables list the known liveries for Loose stock (i.e. not in sets). If the coach number is not listed then the record card cannot be located.

 

Loose TK Liveries
(diag.2001)

Vehicle
No.

Olive
(new)

Malachite

CLC

BR Green
(or set)

765

c.Oct-28

?

?

218

766

c.Oct-28

?

?

217

769

c.Jul-27

?

1-Jun-54

434

778

c.Jul-27

4-Jun-46

2-Mar-56

433

783

Mar-28

?

13-Oct-53

432

785

12-Mar-28

28-Jun-46

No

6-Nov-56

786

12-Mar-28

?

?

211

788

12-Mar-28

11-Feb-49

No

201

789

12-Mar-28

16-Jul-45

6-Sep-54

433

790

24-Mar-28

17-Jul-45

7-Dec-49

201

791

24-Mar-28

18-Jun-46

Set

234

792

24-Mar-28

8-Sep-44

29-Jun-63

433

793

24-Mar-28

No?

18-Jan-50

20-Dec-57

794

24-Mar-28

10-Feb-47

Set

236

798

21-Apr-28

25-Feb-48

No

9-Oct-56

799

21-Apr-28

18-Feb-48

No

201

802

21-Apr-28

25-Jan-44

19-Mar-51

14-Dec-56

803

21-Apr-28

25-Jan-40

12-Jun-50

12-Apr-57

804

12-May-28

No
(2-Jun-38)

9-Mar-50

20-Nov-57
440

805

12-May-28

19-Feb-46

No

201

809

12-May-28

23-Sep-43

15-Mar-51

18-Feb-58

811

8-Jun-28

?

?

16-Jul-57

813

7-Jun-28

4-Jul-41

12-Jul-54

17-Jul-56

814

7-Jun-28

10-Mar-41

8-Dec-49

11-Jul-57

815

7-Jun-28

1-Jul-40

22-Oct-51

11-Oct-57

818

Jun-28

?

?

265

819

Jun-28

?

?

263

821

30-Jun-28

22-May-44

29-Dec-49

5-Feb-57

825

c.Jun-28

Yes

No

No

1921
(ex.4483)

Renum.
30-Oct-54

Apr-46
(4483)

No
(4483)

23-Apr-57

1922
(ex.4484)

Renum.
30-Oct-54

?

Mar-50
(4484)

6-Sep-57

1923
(ex.4485)

Renum.
30-Oct-54

?

May-52
(4485)

11-Jan-57

1924
(ex.4486)

Renum.
30-Oct-54

?

Nov-49
(4486)

26-Jun-57

2353

c.Dec-26

25-Nov-46

No

No

2355

c.Dec-26

16-Dec-44

18-Dec-53

17-Feb-58

2356

c.Dec-26

?

?

217

2357

c.Dec-26

?

?

217

2359

c.Dec-26

?

?

218

 

Loose TK Liveries
(diag.2004)

Vehicle
No.

Olive
(new)

Malachite

CLC

BR Green
(or set)

1115

15-Oct-29

29-Oct-46

Yes

4-Nov-57

1116

c.Oct-29

?

Yes

19-Jul-56

 

Loose SK Liveries
(diag.2201)

Vehicle
No.

Olive
(new)

Malachite

CLC

BR Green
(or set)

4483
(Became 1921)

Jun-27

Apr-46

No

23-Apr-57
(1921)

4484
(Became 1922)

Jun-27

?

Mar-50

6-Sep-57
(1922)

4485
(Became 1923)

Jun-27

?

May-52

11-Jan-57
(1923)

4486
(Became 1924)

Jun-27

?

Nov-49

26-Jun-57
(1924)

 

Loose BCK Liveries
(diag.2401)

Vehicle
No.

Olive
(new)

Malachite

CLC

Green
(or set)

6565

Aug-26

?

?

263

6566

Aug-26

?

?

263

6568

Aug-26

1-Oct-43

30-Apr-56

10-Mar-58

6573

Sep-26

7-Jan-47

No

21-Nov-56

 

Loose BFK Liveries
(diag.2551)

Vehicle
No.

Olive
(new)

Malachite

CLC

Green
(or set)

7715

8-Jun-28

19-Jan-45

19-May-49
(diag.2551A)

12-Dec-57
(diag.2551A)

 

Loose FK Liveries
(diag.2501)

Vehicle
No.

Olive
(new)

Malachite

CLC

Green
(or set)

7209

c.Jun-27
(Loose)

1945
(to.265)

 

 

7209

 

?
(Feb-49 ex.265)

1-Jun-54

4-Jan-57
(to 426)

7211

c.Jun-27
(Loose)

1933
(245)

 

 

7211

 

?
(Apr-51 ex.245)

17-Jun-54

27-Jul-56

7213

c.Jun-27
(Loose)

1933
(246)

 

 

7213

 

?
(Jun-51 ex.246)

Jun-54

1-Jan-58
(to 436)

7214

c.Jun-27

22-Feb-46

3-Jun-55

14-Aug-57

7222

c.Jun-27

Yes

No

6-Sep-56

7223

c.Jun-27

Yes

No

24-Aug-56

7224

c.Jun-27

 

Feb-55
(ex.442)

8-Feb-57

7669

c.Dec-26
(Loose)

?
(1945 to 267)

 

 

7669

 

?
(Feb-49 ex.267)

4-Jul-50

14-Aug-58

7670

c.Dec-26
(Loose)

27-Sep-40

?

Yes

7672

Feb-27
(470)

Oct-45
(Apr-51 ex.202)

28-Apr-54

13-Feb-58

7674

Feb-27
(470)

Mar-47
(Apr-51 ex.202)

23-May-55

30-Sep-57

 

 

 

 

Appendix 1

Summary of Maunsell Low Window coaches
(Restriction ‘4’)

Coach

Number Range

Allocated New

TK
(diag.2001)

769-778
(8-compt.)

Loose

TK
(diag.2001)

783-832
(8-compt.)

Loose

TK
(diag.2001)

2349-2355
(8-compt.)

469, 470 & Loose

TK
(diag.2001)

1921-1924
(?-compt.)

Loose
(ex SK 4483-4486)

BTK
(diag.2101)

3214-3233
(4-compt.)

390-399

BTK
(diag.2101)

4055-62
(4-compt.)

445-448

BTK
(diag.2102)

4048-4051
(6-compt.)

469-470

BTK
(diag.2102)

2772-2773
(6-compt.)

Loose
(ex SK 4481-4482)

SK
(diag.2201)

4483-4486
(8-compt.)

Loose
30-Oct-54 to diag.2102
(1921-1924)

BSK
(diag.2251)

4481-4482
(6-compt.)

Loose
Dec-54 to diag. 2101
(2772-2773)

CK
(diag.2301)

5137-5146
(7-compt.)

390-399

CK
(diag.2301)

5147-5150
(7-compt.)

445-448

BCK
(diag.2401)
(HO E101)

6565-6574
(6-compt.)

Loose

FK
(diag.2501)

7208-7215
(7-compt.)

Southampton boat
Loose

FK
(diag.2501)

7216-7227
(7-compt.)

Loose

FK
(diag.2501)

7665-7674
(7-compt.)

465, Loose & 470

FK
(diag.2501)

7675-7676
(7-compt.)

High Window stock in number range noted only for clarity

PBFK
(diag.2551)
(rebuilt 255A)

7715-7716
(3-compt.)

Southampton boat
Loose

BFK
(rebuilt.2551)
(diag.255A)

7715-7716
(6-compt.)

Loose

 

 

 

Kitchen Dining First
(diag.2651)
7858-7863

Dining Saloon Third
(diag.2652)
7864-7869

 

 

 

 

(Restriction ‘1’)

Coach

Number Range

When New

TK
(diag.2003)

765-768
(8-compt.)

467 & 468

TK
(diag.2003)

833-836
(8-compt.)

467 & 468

TK
(diag.2022)

636-638
(7-compt.)

Loose
(ex FK 7393/4/6 c.May-54)

BTK
(diag.2103)

4063-4066
(4-compt.)

467 & 468

BTK
(diag.2104)

4067-4082
(6-compt.)

449-454, 465 & 466

CK
(diag.2302)

5151-5170
(7-compt.)

467, 468, 449-454

FK
(diag.2502)

7390-7397
(7-compt.)

465 & 466

UO
(diag.2653)

7974-7993
(unclassified 7 bay saloon)

‡

 

 

 

 

(Restriction ‘0’)

Coach

Number Range

When New

TK
(diag.2003)

1115-1116
(8-compt.)

Loose

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Appendix 2

2 Cor CWNA ‘E’ sets
(Restriction ‘1’)

(180 – 192, 217 – 219, 444 – 467)

There was a shortage of sets for CWNA ‘E’ Tonbridge – East Grinstead – Tunbridge Wells West - Brighton - Redhill - Reading Southern services and the decision was made to permanently split four-coach sets in half. Given their inter-related history all of the 2 Cor ‘E’ sets numbered 180 to 192. 217 to 219 and 444 to 467 have been covered here.

Maunsell Low-Window sets /set numbers 445 to 459 and 465 to 467 were reused for the 2 Cor sets in the number range 444 to 467.

In terms of the 2 Cor ‘E’ sets, all but two were withdrawn when the Redhill to Tonbridge line became diesel operated with 3R ‘Tadpole’ units in January 1965. Sets 190 & 192 (plus CK 5627 ex.219) survived until the closure of Eridge to Hailsham in June 1965 thus effectively ending the use of Restriction ‘1’ passenger stock.

 

Summary

Set
Nos.

 Notes

180

2 Cor replacement for withdrawn 2 Cor ‘North Cornwall’ P set.
Not Low Window stock.

181

Replacement 4 Cor set reformed into 2 Cor sets.
Not Low Window stock.

182

4 Cor set reformed into 2 Cor sets.
Not Low Window stock.

183 - 184

2 Cor replacement for withdrawn 4 Cor sets.
Not Low Window stock.

185 - 192

4 Cor sets reformed into 2 Cor sets.
Not Low Window stock.

217 - 219

4 Cor sets reformed into 2 Cor sets.
Not Low Window stock.

444

2 Cor replacement for
withdrawn Ironclad set. Not Low Window stock.

445 - 448

2 Cor replacements for
withdrawn Low Window 4 Cor sets.

449

Low Window set
reformed to 2 Cor set.

450

Low Window set replaced (4 Cor) thence
reformed to a 2 Cor set.

451

4 Cor Low Window set
reformed to 2 Cor set.

452 - 453

2 Cor replacements (not Low-Window stock) for withdrawn 4 Cor Low Window sets.

454

4 Cor Low Window set
reformed to 2 Cor set.

455 - 459

‘New’ 2 Cor set formed (not Low-Window stock).

460

‘New’ 2 Cor set formed Low-Window stock.

461

‘New’ 2 Cor set formed (not Low-Window stock).

462

Reformed 2 Cor set (not Low-Window stock).

463

‘New’ 2 Cor set formed Low-Window stock.

464

‘New’ 2 Cor set formed 
mixed High & Low-Window stock.

465 - 466

2 Cor set formed Low-Window stock.

467

‘New’ 2 Cor set formed Low-Window stock.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Livery

Livery was BR(S) Green with prior painting dates included in the original (pre-reformed) set notes.

Set End-Numbering

On 23rd December 1963 two coaches, BSO 4447 (set 450) and CK 5618 (set 189) were standing in the departure platform at Tunbridge Wells West and were damaged by a light engine. A report was made by one of the Waterloo inspectors (RH Griffiths) and it is interesting that his report identifies set 450 when BSO 4447 was reassigned to 2 Cor set 461. From this it can be reasonably assumed that the sent end numbers had not been updated. The report is covered under set 450.

 

2 Cor Formation

Set
No.

Formed /Reform.

BSK
No.

CK
No.

 Notes

180

Jun-63

4439
(ex.181)

5624
(ex.181)

Reformed

Wdn

c.Sep-63

Dec-63

Feb-65

 

181

Jun-63

4441
(ex.181)

5631
(ex.181)

Reformed

Wdn

27-Mar-65

27-Mar-65

27-Mar-65

 

182

c.Sep-62

3715
(ex.182)

5613
(ex.182)

Reformed

Wdn

Sep-64

Oct-64

Feb-65

 

183

c.Sep-62

4090
(ex.182)

5614
(ex.182)

New formation

Wdn

Sep-64

Oct-64

Oct-64

 

184

c.Sep-62

3962
(ex.185)

5602
(ex.185)

Reformed

Wdn

30-Jan-65

by 8-Jan-65

by 8-Jan-65

 

185

c.Sep-62

3693
(ex.185)

5603
(ex.185)

Reformed

Wdn

Feb-65

27-Feb-65

27-Mar-65

 

186

c.Sep-62

3694
(ex.186)

5604
(ex.186)

Reformed

Wdn

27-Mar-65

27-Mar-65

27-Mar-65

 

187

c.Sep-62

3696
(ex.187)

5606
(ex.187)

Reformed

Wdn

Disbanded

30-Jan-65

To set 185
(Feb-65)

 

188

c.Sep-62

3698
(ex.188)

5608
(ex.188)

Reformed

Wdn

27-Mar-65

27-Mar-65

27-Mar-65

 

189

c.Sep-62

3704
(ex.189)

5618
(ex.189)

Reformed

Wdn

Mar-65

Mar-65

Mar-65

 

190

29-Nov-62

3706
(ex.190)

5620
(ex.190)

Reformed

Wdn

26-Jun-65

by 25-Jun-65

by 25-Jun-65

 

191

2-Nov-62

3708
(ex.191)

5622
(ex.191)

Reformed

Wdn

1964

30-Jan-65

See notes

 

192

c.Oct-62

3710
(ex.192)

5625
(ex.192)

Reformed

Wdn

27-Jul-65

by 25-Jun-65

by 25-Jun-65

 

217

Oct-62

3700
(ex.217)

5611
(ex.217)

Reformed

Wdn

16-May-64

16-May-64

16-May-64

 

218

Oct-62

3702
(ex.218)

5615
(ex.218)

Reformed

Wdn

30-Jan-65

by 8-Jan-65

by 8-Jan-65

 

219

c.Sep-62

3712
(ex.219)

5627
(ex.219)

Reformed

Wdn

30-Jan-65

30-Jan-65

30-Jan-65

 

444

Jun-63

3695
(ex.186)

5605
(ex.186)

 

Wdn

27-Mar-65

by 16-Mar-65

by 16-Mar-65

 

445

Jun-63

3697
(ex.187)

5607
(ex.187)

(w by 2-Oct-64)

 

 

Oct-65

"

5624
(ex.180)

See notes

Wdn

27-Mar-65

by 19-Mar-65

by 19-Mar-65

 

446

Jun-63

3699
(ex.188)

5609
(ex.188)

 

Wdn

27-Mar-65

by 19-Mar-65

by 19-Mar-65

 

447

Jun-63

3705
(ex.189)

5619
(ex.189)
(w Oct-64)

 

 

Feb-64

"

5613
(ex.182)

 

Wdn

27-Mar-65

27-Mar-65

by 20-Mar-65

 

448

Jun-63

3707
(ex.190)

5621
(ex.190)

 

Wdn

30-Jan-65

by 15-Jan-65

by 15-Jan-65

 

449

21-Aug-62

4067
(ex.449)

5159
(ex.449)

 

Wdn

27-Mar-65

by 19-Mar-65

by 19-Mar-65

 

450

c.Sep-62

4447
(ex.450)

5630
(ex.450)

 

Wdn

23-Dec-63
(OOU)

27-Mar-65

27-Mar-65

Out of use
See notes

451

Jun-63

4071
(ex.451)

5164
(ex.451)

 

Wdn

16-May-64

by 20-Apr-64

16-May-64

 

452

Jun-63

4432
(ex.452)

5610
(ex.452)

 

Wdn

c.Nov-63

12-Mar-64

30-Oct-64

 

453

Jun-63

4082
(ex.453)

5617
(ex.453)

 

Wdn

c.Jun-64

1-Oct-64

1-Oct-64

 

454

Jun-63

4079
(ex.454)

5169
(ex.454)

 

Wdn

Dec-63

Dec-63

Dec-63

 

455

25-Oct-62

3709
(ex.191)

5623
(ex.191)

New formation

Wdn

30-Jan-65

by 8-Jan-65

by 8-Jan-65

 

456

c.Oct-62

3711
(ex.192)

5629
(ex.192)

New formation

Wdn

27-Mar-65

by 12-Mar-65

by 12-Mar-65

 

457

Jun-63

3701
(ex.217)

5612
(ex.217)

New formation

Wdn

16-May-64

by 20-Apr-64

by 20-Apr-64

 

458

Jun-63

3703
(ex.218)

5616
(ex.218)

New formation

Wdn

Oct-64

Oct-64

Oct-64

 

459

Jun-63

3713
(ex.219)

5626
(ex.219)

New formation

Wdn

30-Jan-65

by 30-Oct-64

by 15-Jan-65

 

460

Jun-63

4068
(ex.449)

5160
(ex.449)

New formation

Wdn

27-Mar-65

27-Mar-65

27-Mar-65

 

 

 

BSO
No.

CK
No.

 

461

Jun-63

4448
(ex.450)

5632
(ex.450)

New formation

 

Sep-63

4448
(Dec-63)

5632

See notes

 

c.Jun-64

4450
(ex.212)

5632

See notes

Wdn

Sep-64

30-Jan-65

Oct-64

 

 

 

BSK
No.

CK
No.

 

462

Jun-63

3548
(ex.463)

5538
(ex.463)

New formation

Wdn

May-64

by 12-Mar-64

by 12-Mar-64

 

463

Jun-63

4072
(ex.451)

5164
(ex.451)

New formation

Wdn

by May-64

16-May-64

13-Jun-64

 

464

Jun-63

4080
(ex.453)

5626
(ex.453)

New formation

Wdn

Oct-64

16-Oct-64

16-Oct-64

 

465

Jun-63

4078
(ex.454)

5170
(ex.454)

New formation

Wdn

Dec-63

Dec-63

Dec-63

 

466

Jun-63

4063
(ex.467)

5153
(ex.467)

New formation

Wdn

Mar-65

Mar-65

Mar-65

 

467

Jun-63

4064
(ex.467)

5154
(ex.467)

New formation

Wdn

OOU
Sep-64

May-64

May-64

 

Withdrawal dates

Lancing record card (set)

Individual
coach

Individual
coach

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Individual Set Notes

Set

 

Notes

 

180

2 Cor set formed 9th October 1930 (for Swanage portion) outshopped from Lancing Malachite (31st May 1948) thence used as ‘North Cornwall’ ‘P’ set.

‘New’ 2 Cor set formed of BSO 4439 Maunsell Nondescript Brake and CK 5624 Maunsell High Window Restriction ‘1’ stock (ex. set 181) for 17th June 1963 CWNA.

BSO 4439 (diag.2654)

CK 5624 (diag.2302)

Set disbanded c.September 1963 with BSK 4439 withdrawn December 1963 and CK 5624 to set 445 February 1965.

 

181

4 Cor set formed 19th November 1929 (SWD) outshopped from Lancing Malachite (11th September 1947) and CLC (22nd September 1955).

Waterloo Inspector’s memo dated 7th November 1962 titled ‘Stock withdrawn and berthed as at 6-11-62’ identified Restriction ‘1’ (original) set 181 comprising BSK 4087, CK 5173, CK 5174 & BSK 4087 at Hassocks.

Set reformed for 18th June 1961 CWNS with BSO 4439 & BSO 4441 (both Maunsell Nondescript Brakes) and CK 5624 & CK 5631 (Maunsell High Window) all to Restriction ‘1’.

BSO 4439 (diag.2654)

CK 5624 (diag.2302)

CK 5631 (diag.2302)

BSO 4441 (diag.2654)

Set reformed as 2 Cor with BSO 4439 & CK 5624 to set 180 for 17th June 1963 CWNA.

BSO 4441 (diag.2654)

CK 5631 (diag.2302)

Set withdrawn 27th March 1965 (Lancing record card).

Waterloo Inspector’s  memo dated 5th May 1965 (reference RS.51/1/63/BU) titled ‘Reduction of coaching stock W/E 6-Mar-65’ stated ‘The undermentioned vehicles have been withdrawn and marked condemned’ included BSO 4441 & CK 5631 ex ‘Set 181’ at Tonbridge (other Restriction ‘1’ 2 Cor sets included in this memo were 188, 447, 450 & 460).

 

182

4 Cor Restriction ‘1’ High-Window set formed 19th November 1929 (SWD) outshopped from Lancing Malachite (24th September 1946) and BR(S) Green (28th May 1957).

BTK 4089 (diag.2104)

CK 5175 (diag.2302)

CK 5176 (diag.2302)

BTK 4090 (diag.2104)

Waterloo Inspectors report dated 9th May 1961 titled ‘Eastbourne’ stated ‘During shunting operations at Eastbourne on the 9th inst. BSK 4089 of 182 Set was left foul of the adjacent road, and an engine in passing tore the end corner panel and pillar away and damaged the step board and brackets. It is on hand pending final disposal‘.

Within a memo dated 10th May 1965 to to MS Hatchell Esq, RSO Eastleigh copied to J S Cartlidge Esq., Stewarts Lane, Battersea, M Pettyfer’s attention. titled ‘K C Electrification Scheme, Phase II Displacement of Steam Coaching Stock.’ Reference RS.51/1/61A/BU, Waterloo Inspect Ernie Tozer stated ‘The undermentioned are under review for possible condemnation. BSK 4089 In traffic then damaged at Eastbourne 9-5-61, then 24-5-61 @  Stewarts Lane being marked cond. to Hassocks’.

Within a subsequent memo dated 10th May 1961 to MS Hatchell Esq, RSO Eastleigh titled ‘Kent Coast Electrification Scheme, Phase II Displacement of Steam Coaching Stock.’ Reference RS.51/1/61A/BU, Waterloo Inspect Ernie Tozer stated ‘Below for your confirmation please. BSK 4089 of 182 Set damaged at Eastbourne 9-5-61 not on condemnation, I suggest BSK 4066 P10-55, V2-60 on the A list be retained and the former withdrawn. (Note – A Putnam agrees). (later addendum to memo ‘break up’).

Reformed 27th October 1961 with BSK 4089 (withdrawn), CK 5175 & CK 5176 (both withdrawn December 1961) replaced with BSK 3715 (ex.’Loose’ – Restriction ‘4’), CK 5613 (ex.’Loose’) and CK 5614  (ex.’Loose’).  

BSK 3715 (diag.2104)

CK 5613 (diag.2302)

CK 5614 (diag.2302)

BSK 4090 (diag.2104)

Set reformed as 2 Cor with BSK 4090 & CK 5614 to set 183 for 17th June 1963 CWNA.

BSK 3715 (diag.2654)

CK 5613 (diag.2302)

Set disbanded September 1964 with BSK 3715 withdrawn October 1964 and CK to set 447 February 1965.

Waterloo Inspector’s memo dated 2nd October 1964 titled ‘Reduction in coaching stock W/E 3-10-64’ (reference RS.51/1/64/BU) stated ‘The undermentioned vehicles have been withdrawn and marked condemned’ and included BSK 3715 ex ‘Set 182’ at Polegate (other Restriction ‘1’ 2 Cor ‘E’ sets included in this memo were 183 Brighton, 445 Brighton, 447 Micheldever, 458 Walton & 461 Polgate).

 

183

4 Cor High-Window set formed November 1929 (SWD) outshopped from Lancing Malachite (12th February 1944) [no subsequent painting dates].

BTK 4091 (diag.2104)

CK 5177 (diag.2302)

CK 5582 (diag.2302)

BTK 4092 (diag.2104)

Set disbanded with BSK 4091, CK 5177 & CK 5582 withdrawn from Lancing 28th June 1958 and BSK 4092 to ‘Loose’ 22nd July 1958.

‘New’ 2 Cor set formed from High-Window BSK 4090 and CK 5614 (ex. set 182):

BSK 4090 (diag.2104)

CK 5614 (diag.2302)

Set withdrawn September 1964 with BSK 4090 and CK 5614 withdrawn October 1964.

Waterloo Inspector’s memo dated 2nd October 1964 titled ‘Reduction in coaching stock W/E 3-10-64’ (reference RS.51/1/64/BU) stated ‘The undermentioned vehicles have been withdrawn and marked condemned’ and included BSK 4090 & CK 5614 ex ‘Set 183’ at Brighton (other Restriction ‘1’ 2 Cor ‘E’ sets included in this memo were 182 Polegate, 445 Brighton, 447 Micheldever, 458 Walton & 461 Polgate).

 

184

4 Cor High-Window set formed November 1929 (SWD) outshopped from Lancing Malachite (4th December 1943) [no subsequent painting dates].

BTK 4093 (diag.2104)

CK 5583 (diag.2302)

CK 5584 (diag.2302)

BTK 4094 (diag.2104)

Set withdrawn from Lancing 16th August 1958.

‘New’ 2 Cor set formed from High-Window BSK 3692 and CK 5604 (ex. set 185):

BSK 3692 (diag.2104)

CK 5604 (diag.2302)

Set withdrawn 30th January 1965 (Lancing record card).

Waterloo Inspector’s memo dated 8th January 1965 titled ‘Reduction in coaching stock W/E 9-1-65’ (reference RS.51/1/64/BU) stated ‘The undermentioned vehicles have been withdrawn and marked condemned’ and included BSK 3695 & CK 5602 ex ‘Set 184’ at Polegate. Other Restriction ‘1’ 2 Cor sets included in this memo were 184, 191, 218 & 455.

 

185

4 Cor High-Window set formed 2nd February 1931 (SWD) outshopped from Lancing CLC (19th June 1950) and BR(S) Green 23rd September 1957.

BTK 3692 (diag.2104)

CK 5602 (diag.2302)

CK 5603 (diag.2302)

BTK 3693 (diag.2104)

Set reformed as 2 Cor with BSK 3692 & CK 5602 to set 184 for 17th June 1963 CWNA.

BSK 3693 (diag.2654)

CK 5603 (diag.2302)

CK 5603 withdrawn 30th January 1965 replaced by CK 5606 (ex. set 187) February 1965 as follows:

BSK 3693 (diag.2654)

CK 5606 (diag.2302)

Set withdrawn February 1965 with BSK 3693 withdrawn 27th February 1965 & CK 5606 withdrawn 27th March 1965.

Waterloo Inspector’s memo dated 15th January 1965 (reference RS.51/1/63/BU) titled ‘Reduction of coaching stock W/E 16-1-65’ stated ‘The undermentioned vehicles have been withdrawn and marked condemned’ included CK 5603 ex ‘Set 185’ at Reading South (also 2 Cor sets 187 Tonbridge, 448 Tonbridge & 459 Eastbourne).

Waterloo Inspector’s memo dated 19th March 1965 (reference RS.51/1/63/BU) titled ‘Reduction of coaching stock W/E 20-3-65’ stated ‘The undermentioned vehicles have been withdrawn and marked condemned’ included CK 5606 ex ‘Set 185’ at Polegate (other Restriction ‘1’ 2 Cor sets included in this memo were 186 Polegate, 444 Polegate, 445 Polegate, 446 Polegate, 447 Tonbridge, 449 Polegate & 452 Tonbridge).

 

186

4 Cor High-Window set formed 2nd February 1931 (SWD) outshopped from Lancing Malachite (28th November 1948), CLC (1st May 1950) and BR(S) Green 17th March 1958.

BTK 3694 (diag.2104)

CK 5604 (diag.2302)

CK 5605 (diag.2302)

BTK 3695 (diag.2104)

Set reformed as 2 Cor with BSK 3695 & CK 5605 (to set 444) for 17th June 1963 CWNA.

BSK 3694 (diag.2654)

CK 5604 (diag.2302)

Set withdrawn 27th March 1965 (Lancing record card).

Waterloo Inspector’s memo dated 19th March 1965 (reference RS.51/1/63/BU) titled ‘Reduction of coaching stock W/E 20-3-65’ stated ‘The undermentioned vehicles have been withdrawn and marked condemned’ included BSK 3694 & CK 5604 ex ‘Set 186’ at Polegate (other Restriction ‘1’ 2 Cor sets included in this memo were 185 Polegate, 444 Polegate, 445 Polegate, 446 Polegate, 447 Tonbridge, 449 Polegate & 452 Tonbridge).

 

187

4 Cor High-Window set formed 12th February 1931 (SWD) outshopped from Lancing Malachite (10th February 1948) thence BR(S) Green 20th June 1957.

BTK 3696 (diag.2104)

CK 5606 (diag.2302)

CK 5607 (diag.2302)

BTK 3697 (diag.2104)

Set reformed as 2 Cor with BSK 3697 & CK 5607 to set 445 for 17th June 1963 CWNA.

BSK 3696 (diag.2654)

CK 5606 (diag.2302)

Set disbanded with BSK 3969 withdrawn 30th January 1965 and CK 5606 to set 185 February 1965.

Waterloo Inspector’s memo dated 15th January 1965 (reference RS.51/1/63/BU) titled ‘Reduction of coaching stock W/E 16-1-65’ stated ‘The undermentioned vehicles have been withdrawn and marked condemned’ included BSK 3696 ex ‘Set 187’ at Tonbridge (other Restriction ‘1’ 2 Cor sets included in this memo were 448 Tonbridge, 459 Eastbourne & 185 Reading South).

 

188

4 Cor High-Window set formed 12th February 1931 (SWD) outshopped from Lancing Malachite (23rd October 1944), CLC 8th July 1955 thence BR(S) Green believed 12th July 1960 A2-exam (last E4 exam 1st August 1962).

BTK 3698 (diag.2104)

CK 5608 (diag.2302)

CK 5609 (diag.2302)

BTK 3699 (diag.2104)

Set reformed as 2 Cor with BSK 3699 & CK 5609 to set 446 for 17th June 1963 CWNA.

BSK 3698 (diag.2654)

CK 5608 (diag.2302)

Set withdrawn 27th March 1965.

Waterloo Inspector’s  memo dated 5th May 1965 (reference RS.51/1/63/BU) titled ‘Reduction of coaching stock W/E 6-Mar-65’ stated ‘The undermentioned vehicles have been withdrawn and marked condemned’ included BSK 3698 & CK 5608 ex ‘Set 188’ at Tonbridge (other Restriction ‘1’ 2 Cor sets included in this memo were 181, 447, 450 & 460).

 

189

4 Cor High-Window set formed 17th March 1931 (SWD) outshopped from Lancing Olive (22nd  February 1938), CLC 9th May 1951 thence BR(S) Green September 1961.

BTK 3704 (diag.2104)

CK 5618 (diag.2302)

CK 5619 (diag.2302)

BTK 3705 (diag.2104)

Set reformed as 2 Cor with BSK 3705 & CK 5619 to set 447 for 17th June 1963 CWNA.

BSK 3704 (diag.2654)

CK 5618 (diag.2302)

Set withdrawn March 1965.

Waterloo Inspector’s memo dated 12th March 1965 titled ‘Reduction in coaching stock W/E 13-3-65’ (reference RS.51/1/64/BU) stated ‘The undermentioned vehicles have been withdrawn and marked condemned’ and included BSK 3704 & CK 5618 ex ‘Set 189’ (other Restriction ‘1’ 2 Cor set included in this memo were 456) at Paddock Wood.

 

190

4 Cor set formed 17th March 1931 outshopped from Lancing Malachite (25th September 1947) and BR(S) Green 11th September 1958:

Reformed to 2 Cor 29th November 1962 as follows (with BSK 3707 and CK 5621 to set 448).

BSK 3706 (diag.2104)
CK 5620 (diag.2302)

Set withdrawn 26th July 1965.

Waterloo Inspector’s memo dated 25th June 1965 titled ‘Reduction in coaching stock’ (reference RS.51/1/64/BU) stated ‘The undermentioned vehicles have been withdrawn and marked condemned’ and included BSK 3706 & CK 5620 ex ‘Set 190’ (other Restriction ‘1’ 2 Cor set included in this memo were 192) at Tonbridge.

 

191

4 Cor set formed 9th May 1932 outshopped from Lancing CLC (15th December 1950) and BR(S) Green 16th September 1959.

Reformed to 2 Cor 2nd November 1962 as follows (with BSK 3709 and CK 5623 to set 455):

BSK 3708 (diag.2104)
CK 5622 (diag.2302)

BSK 3708 withdrawn 30th January 1965. Record card states CK 5622 to set 452 February 1965 but believed withdrawn 7th September 1964 (Winter) CWNA.

Waterloo Inspector’s memo dated 8th January 1965 titled ‘Reduction in coaching stock W/E 9-1-65’ (reference RS.51/1/64/BU) stated ‘The undermentioned vehicles have been withdrawn and marked condemned’ and included BSK 3708 ex ‘Set 191’ Brighton now moved to Hassocks. Other Restriction ‘1’ 2 Cor sets included in this memo were 184, 191, 218 & 455.

 

192

4 Cor set formed c.1932 outshopped from Lancing CLC (2nd April 1951) and BR(S) Green 9th January 1958.

Reformed to 2 Cor c.October 1962 as follows (with BSK 3711 and CK 5629 to set 456):

BSK 3710 (diag.2104)
CK 5625 (diag.2302)

Set withdrawn 27th July 1965.

Waterloo Inspector’s memo dated 25th June 1965 titled ‘Reduction in coaching stock’ (reference RS.51/1/64/BU) stated ‘The undermentioned vehicles have been withdrawn and marked condemned’ and included BSK 3710 & CK 5625 ex ‘Set 192’ (other Restriction ‘1’ 2 Cor set included in this memo were 190) at Tonbridge.

 

217

8 Cor set formed 10th March 1931 outshopped from Lancing Malachite (28th October 1947), CLC (13th April 1956) and BR(S) Green 5th December 1957. Various reformations took place with set becoming 4 Cor.

Reformed to 2 Cor October 1962 as follows (with BSK 3701 & CK 5611 to set 457):

BSK 3700 (diag.2104)
CK 5611 (diag.2302)

Set withdrawn 16th May 1964.

 

218

8 Cor set formed 26th February 1931 outshopped from Lancing Malachite (6th June 1947) and BR(S) Green 11th December 1957. Various reformations took place with set becoming 4 Cor.

Reformed to 2 Cor October 1962 as follows (with BSK 3703 and CK 5616 to set 458):

BSK 3702 (diag.2104)
CK 5615 (diag.2302)

Set withdrawn 30th January 1965 (Lancing record card).

Waterloo Inspector’s memo dated 8th January 1965 titled ‘Reduction in coaching stock W/E 9-1-65’ (reference RS.51/1/64/BU) stated ‘The undermentioned vehicles have been withdrawn and marked condemned’ and included BSK 3702 & CK 5615 ex ‘Set 218’ at Polegate. Other Restriction ‘1’ 2 Cor sets included in this memo were 184, 191, 218 & 455.

 

219

8 Cor set formed 14th April 1931 outshopped from Lancing Malachite (6th June 1947) and BR(S) Green 11th December 1957. Various reformations took place with set becoming 4 Cor.

Reformed to 2 Cor October 1962 as follows (with BSK 3703 and CK 5616 to set 458):

BSK 3702 (diag.2104)
CK 5615 (diag.2302)

Set withdrawn 30th January 1965 (Lancing record card).

Waterloo Inspector’s memo dated 26th March 1965 (reference RS.51/1/63/BU) titled ‘Reduction of coaching stock W/E 27-3-65’ stated ‘The undermentioned vehicles have been withdrawn and marked condemned’ included BSK 3712 ‘ex ‘Set 219’ at Polegate.

 

444

4 Cor set formed c.1927 (LSWR Ironclad 1923-1925 stock), reformed as an 8 Cor 1st June 1952 and withdrawn in 1959.

‘New’ 2 Cor set formed of Maunsell High-Window Restriction ‘1’ stock (ex. set 186) for 17th June 1963 CWNA.

BSK 3695 (diag.2104)

CK 5605 (diag.2302)

Set withdrawn 27th March 1965 (Lancing record card).

Waterloo Inspector’s memo dated 19th March 1965 (reference RS.51/1/63/BU) titled ‘Reduction of coaching stock W/E 20-3-65’ stated ‘The undermentioned vehicles have been withdrawn and marked condemned’ included BSK 3695 & CK 5605 ex ‘Set 444’ at Polegate(other Restriction ‘1’ 2 Cor sets included in this memo were 185 Polegate, 186 Polegate, 445 Polegate, 446 Polegate, 447 Tonbridge, 449 Polegate & 452 Tonbridge).

 

445

3 Cor Low Window set formed  August 1928 and withdrawn 11th October 1959.

‘New’ 2 Cor set formed for

Replacement 2 Cor set formed of Maunsell High-Window Restriction ‘1’ stock (ex. set 187) for 17th June 1963 CWNA.

BSK 3697 (diag.2104)

CK 5607 (diag.2302)

CK 5607 withdrawn October 1964 and replaced by CK 5624 (ex. set 180).

BSK 3697 (diag.2104)

CK 5624 (diag.2302)

Set withdrawn 27th March 1965  (Lancing record card).

Waterloo Inspector’s memo dated 2nd October 1964 titled ‘Reduction in coaching stock W/E 3-10-64’ (reference RS.51/1/64/BU) stated ‘The undermentioned vehicles have been withdrawn and marked condemned’ and included CK 5607 ex ‘Set 445’ at Brighton (other Restriction ‘1’ 2 Cor ‘E’ sets included in this memo were 182 Polegate, 183 Brighton, 447 Micheldever, 458 Walton & 461 Polgate).

Waterloo Inspector’s memo dated 19th March 1965 (reference RS.51/1/63/BU) titled ‘Reduction of coaching stock W/E 20-3-65’ stated ‘The undermentioned vehicles have been withdrawn and marked condemned’ included BSK 3697 & CK 5624 ex ‘Set 445’ at Polegate(other Restriction ‘1’ 2 Cor sets included in this memo were 185 Polegate, 186 Polegate, 444 Polegate, 446 Polegate, 447 Tonbridge, 449 Polegate & 452 Tonbridge).

 

446

3 Cor Low Window set formed 17th August 1928 and withdrawn on 11th October 1959.

‘New’ 2 Cor set formed for

Replacement 2 Cor set formed of Maunsell High-Window Restriction ‘1’ stock (ex. set 187) for 17th June 1963 CWNA.

BSK 3699 (diag.2104)

CK 5609 (diag.2302)

Set withdrawn 27th March 1965 (Lancing record card).

Waterloo Inspector’s memo dated 19th March 1965 (reference RS.51/1/63/BU) titled ‘Reduction of coaching stock W/E 20-3-65’ stated ‘The undermentioned vehicles have been withdrawn and marked condemned’ included BSK 3699 & CK 5609 ex ‘Set 446’ at Polegate(other Restriction ‘1’ 2 Cor sets included in this memo were 185 Polegate, 186 Polegate, 444 Polegate, 445 Polegate, 447 Tonbridge, 449 Polegate & 452 Tonbridge).

 

447

3 Cor Low Window set formed September 1928 and withdrawn 11th October 1959.

‘New’ 2 Cor set formed of Maunsell High-Window Restriction ‘1’ stock (ex. set 189) for 17th June 1963 CWNA.

BSK 3705 (diag.2104)

CK 5619 (diag.2302)

In a memo date 26th August 1964 titled ‘TONBRIDGE’, Waterloo Inspector Ernie Tozer wrote:

“CK 5619 of 447 Set (Rest 1) carded Tonbridge to Clapham Jct. is on hand with a badly bent headstock and end rail fractured.

This vehicle can be spared by the Operations Dept. and will be sent to Micheldever as a potential withdrawal in the near future”.

CK 5619 withdrawn October 1964 and replaced by CK 5613 (ex. set 182).

BSK 3705 (diag.2104)

CK 5613 (diag.2302)

Memo dated 14th February 1964 from Lancing as follows:

From R.S.O., LANCING WORKS

12.30pm Fri. 14-2-64.

Anticipated

9.55am WEDNESDAY 19-2-64, LANCING to LONDON

Formation to be advised

 

Compo Bke 6686

 

1 of Set 447 (3705)

- VICTORIA, Grosvenor

  Rd Sidings

- TONBRIDGE

 

3 of Set 981 (1192 + 1890 + 1852)

- BASINGSTOKE

 

First  7641

Van B (News) 273

Compo Bkes 6727 + 6728 + 21264 + 21267

)

) - CLAPHAM JCT. (W)

)

 

 

Set withdrawn 27th March 1965 with an Eastleigh memo dated 19th March 1965 (reference RS.51/1/64/BU) titled ‘Reduction of coaching stock W/E 20-3-65’ identified CK 5613 as having been withdrawn and marked condemned at Tonbridge.

Waterloo Inspector’s memo dated 2nd October 1964 titled ‘Reduction in coaching stock W/E 3-10-64’ (reference RS.51/1/64/BU) stated ‘The undermentioned vehicles have been withdrawn and marked condemned’ and included CK 5619 ex ‘Set 447’ at Micheldever (other Restriction ‘1’ 2 Cor ‘E’ sets included in this memo were 182 Polegate, 183 Brighton, 445 Brighton, 458 Walton & 461 Polegate).

Waterloo Inspector’s  memo dated 5th May 1965 (reference RS.51/1/63/BU) titled ‘Reduction of coaching stock W/E 6-3-65’ stated ‘The undermentioned vehicles have been withdrawn and marked condemned’ included BSK 3705      ex ‘Set 447’ at Tonbridge (other Restriction ‘1’ 2 Cor sets included in this memo were 181, 188, 450 & 460).

On 18th May 1965 (Ref: RS.63/1/157.DA) it was arranged to dispatch BSK 3705, CK 5619 and CK 5613 from Herne Hill on Saturday 22nd May 1965 on a train additionally comprising condemned coaching stock BSK 3698, BSK 3705, BSK 4068, BSO 4447, CK 5160, CK 5608, CK 5630, CK 5631 with BG M30687 (dispatched from Dover Marine by ordinary means to make the tenth vehicle) to Peter Wood & Co, Queenborough. The train (no.19) ran on Saturday 29th May 1965 with the coaches being sold on 5th June 1965.

Waterloo Inspector’s memo dated 19th March 1965 (reference RS.51/1/63/BU) titled ‘Reduction of coaching stock W/E 20-3-65’ stated ‘The undermentioned vehicles have been withdrawn and marked condemned’ included CK 5613 ex ‘Set 447’ at Tonbridge(other Restriction ‘1’ 2 Cor sets included in this memo were 185 Polegate, 186 Polegate, 444 Polegate, 445 Polegate, 446 Polegate, 449 Polegate & 452 Tonbridge).

 

448

3 Cor Low Window set formed September 1928 and withdrawn on 20th September 1959.

‘New’ 2 Cor set formed of Maunsell High-Window Restriction ‘1’ stock (ex. set 190) for 17th June 1963 CWNA.

BSK 3707 (diag.2104)

CK 5621 (diag.2302)

Set withdrawn 30th January 1965.

Waterloo Inspector’s memo dated 15th January 1965 (reference RS.51/1/63/BU) titled ‘Reduction of coaching stock W/E 16-1-65’ stated ‘The undermentioned vehicles have been withdrawn and marked condemned’ included BSK 3707 & CK 5621 ex ‘Set 448’ at Tonbridge (also 2 Cor sets 187 Tonbridge, 459 Eastbourne & 185 Reading South).

 

449

4 Cor Low Window set released Eastleigh 4th January 1929 and reformed to 2 Cor 21st August 1962 as follows (with BSK 4068 and CK 5160 to set 460):

BSK 4067 (diag.2104)
CK 5159 (diag.2302)

Set withdrawn 27th March 1965 (Lancing record card).

Waterloo Inspector’s memo dated 19th March 1965 (reference RS.51/1/63/BU) titled ‘Reduction of coaching stock W/E 20-3-65’ stated ‘The undermentioned vehicles have been withdrawn and marked condemned’ included BSK 4067 & CK 5159 ex ‘Set 449’ at Polegate(other Restriction ‘1’ 2 Cor sets included in this memo were 185 Polegate, 186 Polegate, 444 Polegate, 445 Polegate, 446 Polegate, 447 Tonbridge & 452 Tonbridge).

 

450

4 Cor Low Window set released Eastleigh works 4th January 1929 with all four coaches withdrawn 2nd February 1961.

Reformed (by 18th June 1962) with nondescript BSO and High Window restriction ‘1’ stock as follows:

BSO 4447 (diag.2654)
CK 5630 (diag.2302)
CK 5632 (diag.2302)
BSO 4448 (diag.2654)

Circa September 1962 this set was reduced to a 2 Cor as follows with BSO 4448 and CK 5632 to set 461. Set now formed:

BSO 4447 (diag.2654)
CK 5630 (diag.2302)

BSO 4447 damaged on 23rd December 1963 entering Lancin Works for damage repair 7th January 1964 being outshopped 9th March 1964. Waterloo Inspector’s (R.H. Griffiths) report states:

On 23rd December 1963 two coaches, BSO 4447 (set 450) and CK 5618 (set 189) were standing in the departure platform at Tunbridge Wells West and due to a misunderstanding between the shunter and the signalman, a light engine ran into the same platform causing the following damage:

BSO No. 4447 (Heavy November 1958, Varnish October 1961) 1 headstock bent behind buffer castings, 1 diagonal slightly bent. 1 buffer casting bent, 1 emergency box glass broken. 1 lavatory door, bottom hinge adrift, 1 wash basin broken.

CK No. 5618 (Heavy August 1961) had no visible damage. These two vehicles were coupled as a 2 coach set at the time of the incident. Both to be sent to Lancing for intermediate repairs after lifting on site.

In terms of the Waterloo Inspector’s report in 23rd December 1963, diag.2302 seven-compartment CK 5618 was in Restriction ‘1’ set 189 which was formed new as 4 Cor 17th March 1931, but reduced to a 2 Cor in June 1963 with BSK 3704 (to operate Eastbourne – Tonbridge – Reading South services). CK 5618 was withdrawn March 1965. The other half of set 189 (BSK 3705 & CK 5619) were sent to set 447 until that set disbanded end Summer 1964.

Both BSO 4447 and CK 5630 were withdrawn 27th March 1965.

Waterloo Inspector’s  memo dated 5th May 1965 (reference RS.51/1/63/BU) titled ‘Reduction of coaching stock W/E 6-Mar-65’ stated ‘The undermentioned vehicles have been withdrawn and marked condemned’ included BSO 4450 & CK 5630 ex ‘Set 450’ at Tonbridge (also sets 181, 188, 447 & 460).

On 18th May 1965 (Ref: RS.63/1/157.DA) it was arranged to dispatch BSO 4447 and CK 5630 from Herne Hill on Saturday 22nd May 1965 on a train additionally comprising condemned coaching stock BSK 3698, BSK 3705,  BSK 4068, BSO 4447, CK 5160, CK 5608, CK 5630, CK 5631, CK 5613 with BG M30687 (dispatched from Dover Marine by ordinary means to make the tenth vehicle) to Peter Wood & Co, Queenborough. The train (no.19) ran on Saturday 29th May 1965 with the coaches being sold on 5th June 1965.

 

451

4 Cor Low-Window Restriction ‘1’ set released Eastleigh works 2nd February 1929 and reformed to 2 Cor set for  17th June 1963 CWNA.

BSK 4071 (diag.2104)

CK 5163 (diag.2302)

Withdrawn 16th May 1964 (Lancing record card).

Waterloo Inspector’s memo dated 20th April 1964 titled ‘Reduction in coaching stock W/E 18-4-64’ (reference RS.51/1/64/BU) stated ‘The undermentioned vehicles have been withdrawn and marked condemned’ and included BSK 4071 ex ‘Set 451’ (other Restriction ‘1’ 2 Cor set included in this memo were 457) at Tonbridge.

Waterloo Inspector’s memo dated 8th May 1964 (reference RS.51/1/63/BU) titled ‘Reduction of coaching stock W/E 2-May-64’ included BSK 4071 ex ‘Set 451’as having been withdrawn and marked condemned at Tonbridge (other Restriction ‘1’ 2 Cor set included in this memo were 463).

 

452

4 Cor Low Window set released Eastleigh works 2nd February 1929 and condemned on 31st October 1959.

Replacement 2 Cor set formed of Maunsell Restriction ‘1’ stock for 17th June 1963 CWNA. BSO 4432 was a nondescript brake; CK 5610 High-Window coach.

BSO 4432 (diag.2654)

CK 5610 (diag.2302)

Set possibly out of use November 1963. BSO 4432 withdrawn by 12th March 1964, CK 5610 by 30th October 1964.

Waterloo Inspector’s memo dated 30th October 1964 (reference RS.51/1/63/BU) titled ‘Reduction of coaching stock W/E 31-10-64’ stated ‘The undermentioned vehicles have been withdrawn and marked condemned’ included CK 5610 ex ‘Set 452’ at Brighton (also set 459 Tonbridge).

Waterloo Inspector’s memo dated 12th March 1965 (reference RS.51/1/64/BU) titled ‘Reduction of coaching stock W/E 13-3-65’ identified BSO 4432 ex ‘Set 452’ as having been withdrawn and marked condemned at Paddock Wood (other Restriction ‘1’ 2 Cor sets included in this memo were 189, 456, 462, 466 & 467) at Paddock Wood.

Waterloo Inspector’s memo dated 19th March 1965 (reference RS.51/1/63/BU) titled ‘Reduction of coaching stock W/E 20-3-65’ stated ‘The undermentioned vehicles have been withdrawn and marked condemned’ included CK 5622 ex ‘Set 452’ at Tonbridge(other Restriction ‘1’ 2 Cor sets included in this memo were 185 Polegate, 186 Polegate, 444 Polegate, 445 Polegate, 446 Polegate, 447 Tonbridge & 449 Polegate).

 

453

4 Cor Low Window set released Eastleigh 26th February 1929 and all coaches withdrawn 26th September 1959.

Set 453 was reformed October 1959 with BR(S) Green liveried coaches as follows:

BSK 4092 (diag.2104 HW)
CK 5626 (diag.2302 HW)
CK 5617 (diag.2302 HW)
BSK 4080 (diag.2104 LW)

In poor condition, BSK 4092 was replaced by BSK 4082 10th May 1961.

BSK 4082 (diag.2104 LW)
CK 5626 (diag.2302 HW)
CK 5617 (diag.2302 HW)
BSK 4080 (diag.2104 LW)

4 Cor set 453 was reduced to 2 Cor for the 17th June 1963 CWNA with BSK 4080 & CK 5626 going to form 2 Cor set 464.

BSK 4082 (diag.2104)
CK 5617 (diag.2302)

2 Cor set 453 believed withdrawn from service during period of 15th June 1964 CWNA with BSK 4080 and CK 5617 both withdrawn at Tonbridge on 1st October 1964.

Waterloo Inspector’s memo dated 1st October 1964 (reference RS.51/1/63/BU) titled ‘Reduction of coaching stock’ stated ‘The undermentioned vehicles have been withdrawn and marked condemned’ included BSK 4082 & CK 5617 ex ‘Set 453’ at Tonbridge

 

BSK 4082 was a Restriction ‘1’ low-window six compartment brake to diag.2104 originally from set 466 (released 16th April 1929).

CK 5617 was a  Restriction ‘1’ high-window seven compartment composite to diag.2302 originally from set 218 (released 26th February 1931) via set 455.

 

454

4 Cor released Eastleigh 25th February 1929 with one BTK changed following damage possibly by Enemy Action early in October 1940.

Reduced to 2 Cor for the 17th June 1963 CWNA with BSK 4078 & CK 5170 going to form 2 Cor set 465. Set now formed:

BSK 4079 (diag.2104)
CK 5169 (diag.2302)

Set withdrawn December 1963 with an Eastleigh memo dated 24th January 1964 (reference RS.51/1/63/BU) titled ‘Reduction of coaching stock W/E 25-1-64’ identified BSK 4079 & CK 5169 as having been withdrawn and marked condemned at Eastbourne.

A subsequent Eastleigh memo dated 22nd April 1964 (reference RS.51/3/1/BU) titled ‘Condemned coaching vehicles – Disposal’ [to South Wales] identified BSK 4079 & CK 5169 as having been sold to Birds Motors on 25th April 1964 having been dispatched from Eastbourne week-ending 18th April 1964.

 

455

4 Cor set formed LSWR stock after reformations withdrawn 2nd July 1959.

‘New’ 2 Cor set formed of Maunsell High-Window Restriction ‘1’ stock (ex. set 191) for 17th June 1963 CWNA.

BSK 3709 (diag.2104)

CK 5623 (diag.2302)

Withdrawn 30th January 1965 (Lancing record card).

Waterloo Inspector’s memo date 8th January 1965 titled ‘Reduction in coaching stock W/E 9-1-65’ (reference RS.51/1/64/BU) stated ‘The undermentioned vehicles have been withdrawn and marked condemned’ and included BSK 3708 (ex. ‘Set 191’) at Brighton. Other Restriction ‘1’ 2 Cor sets included in this memo were 184, 191, 218 & 455.

 

456

4 Cor set formed of Maunsell High-Window Restriction ‘4’ stock 6th January 1965 after reformations withdrawn 18th December 1961.

‘New’ 2 Cor set formed of Maunsell High-Window Restriction ‘1’ stock (ex. set 192) for 17th June 1963 CWNA.

BSK 3711 (diag.2104)

CK 5629 (diag.2302)

Withdrawn 27th March 1965.

Waterloo Inspector’s memo dated 12th March 1965 titled ‘Reduction in coaching stock W/E 13-3-65’ (reference RS.51/1/64/BU) stated ‘The undermentioned vehicles have been withdrawn and marked condemned’ and included BSK 3711 & CK 5629 ex ‘Set 456’ (other Restriction ‘1’ 2 Cor sets included in this memo were 189, 452, 462, 466 & 467) at Paddock Wood.

 

457

5 Cor set formed LSWR stock after reformations withdrawn 19th December 1960.

‘New’ 2 Cor set formed of Maunsell High-Window Restriction ‘1’ stock (ex. set 217) for 17th June 1963 CWNA.

BSK 3701 (diag.2104)

CK 5612 (diag.2302)

Withdrawn 16th May 1964 (Lancing record card).

Waterloo Inspector’s memo dated 20th April 1964 titled ‘Reduction in coaching stock W/E 18-4-64’ (reference RS.51/1/64/BU) stated ‘The undermentioned vehicles have been withdrawn and marked condemned’ and included BSK 3701 & CK 5612 ex ‘Set 457’ (other Restriction ‘1’ 2 Cor set included in this memo were 451) at Tonbridge.

 

458

3 Cor set formed of Maunsell High-Window Restriction ‘4’ stock and after reformations was disbanded 4th January 1958.

‘New’ 2 Cor set formed of Maunsell High-Window Restriction ‘1’ stock (ex. set 192) for 17th June 1963 CWNA.

BSK 3703 (diag.2104)

CK 5616 (diag.2302)

Withdrawn October 1964.

Waterloo Inspector’s memo dated 2nd October 1964 titled ‘Reduction in coaching stock W/E 3-10-64’ (reference RS.51/1/64/BU) stated ‘The undermentioned vehicles have been withdrawn and marked condemned’ and included BSK 3703 & CK 5616 ex ‘Set 458’ at Walton (other Restriction ‘1’ 2 Cor ‘E’ sets included in this memo were 182 Polegate, 183 Brighton, 445 Brighton, 447 Micheldever & 461 Polgate).

 

459

6 Cor set formed of Maunsell High-Window Restriction ‘4’ stock and after reformations was disbanded in October 1961.

‘New’ 2 Cor set formed of Maunsell High-Window Restriction ‘1’ stock (ex. set 192) for 17th June 1963 CWNA.

BSK 3713 (diag.2104)

CK 5628 (diag.2302)

Withdrawn 30th January 1965.

Waterloo Inspector’s memo dated 30th October 1964 (reference RS.51/1/63/BU) titled ‘Reduction of coaching stock W/E 31-10-64’ stated ‘The undermentioned vehicles have been withdrawn and marked condemned’ included BSK 3713      ex ‘Set 459’ at Tonbridge (also set 452 Brighton).

Waterloo Inspector’s memo dated 15th January 1965 (reference RS.51/1/63/BU) titled ‘Reduction of coaching stock W/E 16-1-65’ stated ‘The undermentioned vehicles have been withdrawn and marked condemned’ included CK 5628 ex ‘Set 459’ at Eastbourne (also 2 Cor sets 187 Tonbridge, 448 Tonbridge & 185 Reading South).

 

460

Set 460 condemned (as 10 Cor) Waterloo 24th July 1959.

‘New’ 2 Cor set formed Maunsell Low-Window Restriction ‘1’ stock 21st August 1962 (ex.449)

BSK 4068 (diag.2104)
CK 5160 (diag.2302)

Coaches withdrawn 27th March 1965.

Waterloo Inspector’s  memo dated 5th May 1965 (reference RS.51/1/63/BU) titled ‘Reduction of coaching stock W/E 6-Mar-65’ stated ‘The undermentioned vehicles have been withdrawn and marked condemned’ included BSK 4068 & CK 5160 ex ‘Set 460’ at Tonbridge (also sets 181, 188, 447 & 450).

On 18th May 1965 (Ref: RS.63/1/157.DA) it was arranged to dispatch BSK 4068 and CK 5160 from Herne Hill on Saturday 22nd May 1965 on a train additionally comprising condemned coaching stock BSK 3698, BSK 3705,  BSK 4068, BSO 4447, CK 5160, CK 5608, CK 5630, CK 5631, CK 5613 with BG M30687 (dispatched from Dover Marine by ordinary means to make the tenth vehicle) to Peter Wood & Co, Queenborough. The train (no.19) ran on Saturday 29th May 1965 with the coaches being sold on 5th June 1965.

 

461

Set 461 withdrawn 17th July 1959.

‘New’ 2 Cor set formed for 17th June 1963 Restriction ‘1’ stock from set 450. BSO 4448 was a nondescript and CK 5632 Maunsell High-window built Eastleigh c.April 1931.

BSO 4448 (diag.2654)
CK 5632 (diag.2302)

BSO 4448 withdrawn December 1963 and set 461 reformed June 1964 with nondescript BSO 4450 (ex.212).

BSO 4450 (diag.2654)
CK 5632 (diag.2302)

Set disbanded by October 1964

CK 5632 withdrawn October 1964.

BSO 4450 withdrawn 30th January 1965.

Waterloo Inspector’s memo dated 2nd October 1964 titled ‘Reduction in coaching stock W/E 3-10-64’ (reference RS.51/1/64/BU) stated ‘The undermentioned vehicles have been withdrawn and marked condemned’ and included CK 5632 ex ‘Set 461’ at Polegate (other Restriction ‘1’ 2 Cor ‘E’ sets included in this memo were 182 Polegate, 183 Brighton, 445 Brighton, 447 Micheldever & 458 Walton).

 

462

Set 462 formed as 6 Cor ‘Thanet’ stock (later strengthened to 8 Cor).

In May 1958 set 462 was reformed to a 2 Cor (Restriction ‘1’ set) with two coaches from set 463. No.3548 was 7-compartment Brake ex.SECR ‘Continental’ to diagram 164 and 1925 Maunsell ‘Thanet’ 7-compartment Composite no.5538 to diagram ? from 463 via Loose.

Brake 3548 outshopped CLC July 1951 and Green July 1957; CK 5538 outshopped CLC Dec 1955 and Green October 1957. Set disbanded c.1958.

‘New’ 2 Cor set formed of Maunsell Restriction ‘1’ stock for 17th June 1963 CWNA BSO 4432 was a nondescript brake; CK 5610 High-Window coach.

BSO 4443 (diag.2654)

CK 5633 (diag.2302)

Withdrawn by May 1964.

Waterloo Inspector’s memo dated 12th March 1965 titled ‘Reduction in coaching stock W/E 13-3-65’ (reference RS.51/1/64/BU) stated ‘The undermentioned vehicles have been withdrawn and marked condemned’ and included BSO 4433 & CK 5633 ex ‘Set 462’ (other Restriction ‘1’ 2 Cor sets included in this memo were 189, 452, 456, 466 & 467) at Paddock Wood.

 

463

10 Cor set 463 formed Summer 1925 was disbanded 17th July 1959.

‘New’ 2 Cor set formed for 17th June 1963 with Maunsell Low-Windows Restriction ‘1’ coaches from set 451:

BSK 4072 (diag.2104)
CK 5164 (diag.2302)

BSK 4072 withdrawn 16th May 1964.

CK 5164 withdrawn 13th June 1964.

Waterloo Inspector’s memo dated 8th May 1964 (reference RS.51/1/63/BU) titled ‘Reduction of coaching stock W/E 2-May-64’ included BSK 4071 ex ‘Set 463’ as having been withdrawn and marked condemned at Tonbridge (other Restriction ‘1’ 2 Cor set included in this memo were 451).

 

464

4 Cor Maunsell High-Window set formed by 1931, reduced to 3 Cor thence reformed to 8 Cor 22nd November 1956 and withdrawn 17th /18th July 1959 (with one CK to ‘Loose’).

‘New’ 2 Cor set formed for 17th June 1963 with Maunsell Restriction ‘1’ coaches from set 453. BSK 4080 Low-Window; CK 5626 High-Window stock:

BSK 4080 (diag.2104)
CK 5626 (diag.2302)

Outshopping in BR(S) Green BSK 4080 - July 1956. CK 5626 – September 1959.

Set withdrawn October 1964 (Lancing record card).

Waterloo Inspector’s memo dated 16th October 1964 titled ‘Reduction in coaching stock W/E 17-10-64’ (reference RS.51/1/64/BU) stated ‘The undermentioned vehicles have been withdrawn and marked condemned’ and included BSK 4080 & CK 5626 ex ‘Set 464’ at Tonbridge.

 

465

8 Cor set 466 formed 21st March 1929 and disbanded by June 1961. 

‘New’ 2 Cor set formed for 17th June 1963 with Maunsell Low-Windows Restriction ‘1’ coaches ex. set 454:

BSK 4078 (diag.2104)
CK 5170 (diag.2302)

Withdrawn December 1963.

Waterloo Inspector’s memo dated 31st January 1964 titled ‘Reduction in coaching stock W/E 1-2-64’ (reference RS.51/1/64/BU) stated ‘The undermentioned vehicles have been withdrawn and marked condemned’ and included BSK 4078 & CK 5170 ex ‘Set 465’ at Tonbridge.

  

466

8 Cor set 466 formed 16th April 1929 and disbanded by June 1961. 

‘New’ 2 Cor set formed for 17th June 1963 with Maunsell Low-Windows Restriction ‘1’ coaches ex. set 454:

BSK 4063 (diag.2104)
CK 5153 (diag.2302)

Withdrawn March 1965.

Waterloo Inspector’s memo dated 12th March 1965 titled ‘Reduction in coaching stock W/E 13-3-65’ (reference RS.51/1/64/BU) stated ‘The undermentioned vehicles have been withdrawn and marked condemned’ and included BSK 4063 & CK 5153 ex ‘Set 466’ (other Restriction ‘1’ 2 Cor sets included in this memo were 189, 452, 456, 462, & 467) at Paddock Wood.

 

467

8 Cor set 467 formed February 1927 and disbanded by June 1961.

‘New’ 2 Cor set formed for for 17th June 1963:

BSK 4064 (diag.2104)
CK 5154 (diag.2302)

Set out-of-use (believed September 1964) with BSK 4064 and CK 5154 withdrawn May 1965.

Waterloo Inspector’s memo dated 12th March 1965 titled ‘Reduction in coaching stock W/E 13-3-65’ (reference RS.51/1/64/BU) stated ‘The undermentioned vehicles have been withdrawn and marked condemned’ and included BSK 4064 & CK 5154 ex ‘Set 467’ (other Restriction ‘1’ 2 Cor sets included in this memo were 189, 452, 456, 462 & 466) at Paddock Wood.

 

 

 

 

Appendix 3
Diagram Numbers

(Low Window Diagram nos. in Bold)

Diag.

Notes.

93

British Railways Mk.1 Second Open (SO) Restriction ‘4’ (C1).

73

British Railways Mk.1 First Open (FO) Restriction ‘4’ (C1).

128

British Railways Mk.1 Corridor Composite (CK) Restriction ‘4’ (C1).

131

Ex.LSWR 56’ Corridon Brake Third (BTK) flush-sided built 1911.

137

Ex.LSWR ‘Ironclad’ Corridor Brake Third (BTK) Restriction ‘4’ built 1925

165

‘Thanet’ 5-compt. Corridor Brake Third (BTK) built 1925.

169

Ex.SECR matchboarded ‘Continental’ 6-compt. restriction ‘0’ Corridor Brake Third (BTK) built 1924.

317

‘Thanet’ 7-compt. Corridor Composite (CK) built 1925.

476

Ex.LSWR ‘Ironclad’ 7-compt. Corridor First (FK) Restriction ‘4’ built 1925

2001

Maunsell Corridor Third (TK) Restriction ‘4’ built 1927-1928 (Low Window)  and 1929-1934 (High Window).

2003

Maunsell Corridor Third (TK) Restriction ‘1’ built 1928-1929 (Low Window)  and 1931 (High Window).

2022

Maunsell 7-compt. Corridor Third (TK) Low Window Restriction ‘1’.

[ex.FK converted c.May 1954].

2101

Maunsell 4-compt. Corridor Brake Third (BCK) Restriction ‘4’ built 1926-1928 (Low Window) or 1929-1930 (High Window) builds.

This diagram number is the same for Low Window (LW) or High Window (HW) builds.

2102

Maunsell 6-compt. Corridor Brake Third (BTK) Restriction ‘4’ built 1926-1929 (Low Window) or 1929-1932 (High Window) builds.

This diagram number is the same for Low Window (LW) or High Window (HW) builds.

2103

Maunsell 4-compt. Corridor Brake Third (BTK) Restriction ‘1’ Low Window built 1929 (nos.4063 to 4066).

2104

Maunsell 6-compt. Corridor Brake Third (BTK) Restriction ‘1’ built 1927 (Low Window) or 1929-1931 (High Window) builds.

This diagram number is the same for Low Window (LW) or High Window (HW) builds.

2110

Maunsell 6-compt. Corridor Brake Third (BCK) High Window built 1933.

2113

Maunsell Corridor Brake Third (BTK) High Window flush-panelled stock built 1935.

2123

Bullied Corridor Brake Third (semi-open) (BTK) Restriction ‘4’ with 15” sidelight vents built 1948 to 1951 & 10.25” sidelight vents built 1946 to 1958.

2201

Maunsell 8-compt. Corridor Second (SK) Low Window built 1927 (nos.4483 to 4486).

[Became diag.2001 in 1954 (nos.1921 to 1924)].

2301

Maunsell 7-compt. Corridor Composite (CK) Restriction ‘4’ built 1926-1929 (Low Window nos.5137 to 5150) or 1929-1932 (High Window) builds.

This diagram number is the same for Low Window (LW) or High Window (HW) builds.

2302

Maunsell 7-compt. Corridor Composite (CK) Restriction ‘1’ built 1928-1929 (Low Window nos.5151 to 5170) or 1929-1931 (High Window) builds.

This diagram number is the same for Low Window (LW) or High Window (HW) builds.

2318

Bulleid 7-compt Corridor Composite (CK).
Restriction ‘4’

2401

Maunsell 6-compt. Corridor Brake Composite (BCK) Restriction ‘4’ built 1926 (Low Window) or 1929-1930 (High Window) builds.

This diagram number is the same for Low Window (LW) or High Window (HW) builds.

2501

Maunsell 7-compt. Corridor First (FK) Restriction ‘4’ built 1927 (Low Window) and 1930 (High Window).

This diagram number is the same for Low Window (LW) or High Window (HW) builds.

2502

Maunsell 7-compt. Corridor First (FK) Low Window built Restriction ‘1’ built 1929 (nos.7390-7397). [Some became TK diag.2022 (c.May 1954)].

2551

Maunsell 3-compt. Corridor Pantry Brake First Restriction ‘4’ built 1929.

[Rebuilt to diag.2551A Brake First in 1949]

2551A

Maunsell 3-compt. Corridor Brake First (BFK) Restriction ‘4’.

[Rebuilt from diag.2551 Pantry Brake First in 1949]

2552

Bulleid 7-compt. Corridor First (FK) Restriction ‘4’ 15” sidelight vents built 1949-1951.

2651

Maunsell Kitchen Dining First (nos.7858-7863) Low Window Restriction ‘4’ built 1927.

2652

Maunsell Dining Saloon Third (nos.7864-7869) Low Window Restriction ‘4’ built 1927.

2653

Maunsell 7-bay ex.Nondescript Saloon (UO) Restriction ‘I’ (nos.7974 to 7993) built 1928 (Low Window) and built 1931 (High Window).

This diagram number is the same for Low Window (LW) or High Window (HW) builds.

2654

Maunsell General Saloon with Brake (nondescript) (later used as BSO) High Window (nos.4431-4450)

2654A

Maunsell General Saloon with Brake (nondescript) (later used as BSO) High Window (nos.4431-4437 & 4439-4441) modified in 1956 with roof periscopes added.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Appendix 4
SR Repairs

The Southern Railway / Southern Region used the following codes which continued at Lancing Works through to its closure.

Code

Notes

A

Intermediate or Heavy Intermediate repair. Whist the A2-exam could include a varnish from July 1956 the opportunity was regularly taken to repaint CLC-liveried stock into Green-livery.

E

General Repair (including repaint)

S

An examination to ensure a vehicle was fit for service when it was not scheduled for a repair

V

Varnish - usually ever 2½ years (Southern Railway code)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Compilation

In terms of information sources Glen Woods regularly used the terms ‘Lancing’ and ‘Waterloo’ record cards although this is slightly misleading as the so-called ‘Waterloo’ record cards were maintained at the CM&EE Rolling Stock Records Office, based in Tooley Street, London Bridge (until 1966 when they moved to the newly constructed Southern House at Croydon).

The Carriage & Wagon Notice Appendices (CWNA) are a useful source of information although to contain discrepancies and could not cover changes made after publication.

Prepared by railway historians Colin Watts & Luke Arnold. Thanks to the late Glen Woods, historical author Mike King (including permission to use photographs from his collection), the works of David Gould and the Bluebell Railway Museum. This page may be subject to updates and corrections as further information becomes available.

 

Recommended reading is as follows:

The Illustrated History of Southern Coaches
Mike King
[ISBN 0 86093 570 1]

Maunsell’s SR Steam Carriage Stock
David Gould
[ISBN ?]

Southern Coaches Survey – Pre-grouping and BR MK1 Stock
Mike King
[ISBN 978-0-86093-665-7].

Lancing 1956
Glen Woods
[ISBN 9 780956 765529]

 

 

 

 

 

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