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Passenger Carrying Coaches

SR Corridor Stock
Bulleid ‘Loose’ Coaches

 

In Southern Railway livery, BTK 4325 at Clapham Junction on Monday, 24th May 1948, with original temporary vent hoods.

© K.G. Carr ‘Mr Pamlin Prints’ (Mike King collection)

 

New ’64 Corridor Coaches

In 1946 the first three-coach sets of Bulleid 64’ stock had entered traffic ( ‘L’ sets 771 to 793 built to H.O order 3235 - BTK to Diag.2123 & CK to Diag.2318 with 10¼” sliding vents.

Along with these and subsequent sets coaches were also built new and allocated ‘Loose’; these being covered on this page.

This page is being updated and currently covers the new 4mm releases by modelmaker Bachmann.

 

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Southern-liveried CK 5771 (set 790) at Clapham Jcn.

(Saturday, 2nd April 1949)

© J.H. Aston (Mike King collection – negative with Bluebell Railway Museum Archive)

 

Coaches built New to ‘Loose’

Set

Notes

1469

Third Open

Diag.2017 (15” vents) new 17-Nov-50 CLC livery.

Outshopped BR(S) Green (Lancing) 22-Aug-57

Into Eastleigh Works 18-Aug-65, outshopped Maroon 10-Sep-65 and transferred to ER 11-Sep-65 (wdn n/k).

1472

Third Open

Diag. 2017 (15” vents) new 17-Nov-50 in CLC livery.

Into set 354 Feb-51 thence back to Loose Sep-54.

Outshopped BR(S) Green (Lancing) 31-Dec-56

Into Eastleigh Works 18-Aug-65, outshopped Maroon 10-Sep-65 and transferred to ER 10-Oct-65 thence wdn Nov-67.

1478

Third Open

Diag. 2017 (15” vents) new 1-Dec-50 in CLC livery.

Outshopped BR(S) Green (Lancing) 23-Sep-59 thence wdn Jul-67.

1496

Third Open

Diag. 2017 (15” vents) new 22-Dec-50 in CLC livery.

Outshopped BR(S) Green (Lancing) 12-Dec-57 thence wdn Oct-68.

1500

Third Open

Diag.2017 (15” vents) new Jan-51 in CLC livery.

To set 350 Nov-51 back to Loose 26-Dec-53.

Outshopped BR(S) Green (Lancing) 12-Jul-57.

To set 212 Jun-64 thence into Eastleigh Works 18-Nov-65, outshopped Maroon 17-Dec-65 and transferred to ScR 1-Jan-66 (wdn n/k).

6715

Brake Corridor Composite

Diag.2406 (15” vents) new 11-Jun-48 in Malachite livey.

Outshopped BR(S) Green (Lancing) 11-Dec-56.

Damaged Torrington 8-Aug-61 and to Clapham Jct with damaged assessed as Vestibule end body framing and panels smashed, End Compt. partition smashed, adrift from roof fixings, Vestibule ceiling, ply broken, Gangway iron frame buckled, Underframe, headstock bent. Outshopped damage repair (Lancing) 10-Oct-61

Transferred to ER 1-Jan-63 (wdn n/k).

6718

Brake Corridor Composite

Diag.2406 (10” vents) new 11-Jun-48 in Malachite livery.

Outshopped BR(S) Green (Lancing) 21-Jul-58 thence wdn May-64.

6733

Brake Corridor Composite

Diag.2406 (10” vents) new 29-Jul-48 in Malachite livery

Outshopped BR(S) Green (Lancing) 30-Aug-56 thence wdn Nov-64.

6735

Brake Corridor Composite

Diag.2406 (10” vents) new 29-Jul-48 in Malachite livery.

Outshopped CLC (Lancing) 28-May-56 and BR(S) Green (Lancing) 17-Apr-58 thence wdn Dec-67.

6736

Brake Corridor Composite

Diag.2406 (10” vents) new 29-Jul-48 in Malachite livery.

Outshopped BR(S) Green (Lancing) 11-Apr-57 thence wdn Jul-67.

6739

Brake Corridor Composite

Diag.2406 (10” vents) new 6-Aug-48 in Malachite livery.

Outshopped BR(S) Green (Lancing) 21-Jul-58 thence wdn Nov-64.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Southern Railway official photograph in 1945 of prototype CK 5751 - note square cornered vents. This coach was later incorporated into set 770 with BTK coaches 4301 & 4302.

© Southern Railway (Mike King collection)

 

Liveries

On the Southern Region, coaching stock sets (and multiple-units) were normally repainted (and varnished) as a complete set leading to a significant degree of consistency within each set. Lancing Carriage works was releasing repainted stock in SR Green early-February 1949 with Crimson Lake and Cream (CLC) appearing at least by March 1949.

Adoption of Gill Sans

During the early varnishes, Gill Sans was adopted. Besides ‘Southern lettering, Third-class ‘3’s were removed at this time with the First-class ‘1’ being repositioned on doors. The table below sets out the outshopping date for this varnish from Lancing works. The repositioning of coach numbers also occurred during early varnishes.

BR(S) Green

However, when permission was given for the Southern Region to return to Green for its Corridor Passenger stock it rapidly embarked on a programme to repaint at the A2 repair for a number of vehicles in order to accelerate the return to Green. The last Crimson Lake & Cream vehicle (last of an eight-set) outshopped from Lancing carriage works on 17th July 1956 (the first BR Green set was outshopped earlier on 11th July 1956).

Abolition Second-class

On Sunday, 3rd June 1956 British Railways abolished Second-class travel and immediately renamed Third-class to Second-class. Any remaining Third-class ‘3’ on pre-nationalisation coach doors were removed; usually at the next varnish (A2 exam).

 

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CK S5756 in set 775 at Exeter Central on Thursday, 4th September 1958.
Note the beading covering the seams in the bodyside panelling.

© (Mike King collection)

 

Diagram Numbers
Notes for ‘Coaches

Diag.

 

 

 

 

 

2017

Bulleid TO (Third Open)

Nos.1456-1461 had 10¼” sliding sidelight vents and extended side panels.

Nos.1462-1503 had 15” sliding sidelight vents.

2123

Bulleid BTK (Semi-open Brake Third).

Nos.2501-2532, 3943-3962 & 3971-4040 had 15” sliding sidelight vents.

Nos.4301-4383 had 10¼” sliding sidelight vents.

Nos.4349-4370 had extended side panels.

2124

Bulleid BTK (Semi-open Brake Third) with coupé compartment.

Nos.4209-4228 had 10¼” sliding sidelight vents.

2318

Bulleid CK (Seven-compartment Corridor Composite)

Nos.5823-5837 /5848-5923 had 15” sliding sidelight vents.

Nos.5740-5750 /5752-5754 & 5799–5811 had 10¼” sliding sidelight vents.

Nos.5740-5750 had extended side panels.

2507

Bulleid RFO (Three-compartment Restaurant First plus saloon).

Nos.7677-7687 with extended side panels.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Recommended reading is as follows:

The Illustrated History of Southern Coaches
Mike King
[ISBN 0 86093 570 1]

Bulleid’s SR Steam Carriage Stock
David Gould
[ISBN ?]

Southern Coaches Survey – Pre-grouping and BR MK1 Stock
Mike King
[ISBN 978-0-86093-665-7].

Lancing 1956
Glen Woods
[ISBN 9 780956 765529]

 

Prepared by C. Watts with much thanks to the late Glen Woods, historical author Mike King (including permission to use photographs from his collection) and the excellent work of David Gould.

 

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Formation Table

 

 

Livery Table

‡2

Third Open 1452 outshopped Malachite new

‡3

Third Open (TO) 1465 new Eastleigh 11-Nov-50 as ‘Loose’. Into set 770 Jun-63.

‡4

Third Open (TO) 1486 new Eastleigh 8-Dec-50 as ‘Loose’.

Into set 353 Nov-51 thence again ‘Loose’ Jun-54.

Into set 770 Jun-64 thence ‘Spare’ Jul-65.

Outshopped Eastleigh Works in Maroon 13-Aug-65 and transferred to E.R. 14-Aug-65.

‡5

Third Open (TO) 1491 new Eastleigh 15-Dec-50 as ‘Loose’.

Into set 352 Jun-51 thence again ‘Loose’ Jun-54.

Into set 770 Jun-64 thence ‘Spare’ Jul-65.

Outshopped Eastleigh Works in Maroon 17-Dec-65 and transferred to E.R. 11-Jan-66.

‡6

Third Open (TO) 1496 new Eastleigh 22-Dec-50 as ‘Loose’.

Into set 353 Nov-51 thence again ‘Loose’ Jun-54.

Into set 770 Jun-64. Wdn Oct-68.

‡7

Third Open (TO) 1501 new Eastleigh 5-Jan-51 as ‘Loose’.

Into set 352 Jun-51 thence again ‘Loose’ Jun-54.

Into set 770 Jun-64. Wdn Aug-67.

‡8

Third Open (TO) 1503 new Eastleigh 12-Jan-51 as ‘Loose’.

Into set 354 Feb-51 thence again ‘Loose’ Sep-54.

Into set 770 Jun-64 thence ‘Spare’ Jul-65.

Outshopped Eastleigh Works in Maroon 10-Sep-65 and transferred to Sc.R. 11-Sep-65.

‡9

Outshopped Eastleigh 17-Apr-53 as a Third Open (TO /SO) thence upgraded May-59 (retrimmed Lancing 27-May-61) to First Open (FO).

Date of repainting unclear but probably outshopped Green 12-Feb-57 (A2 exam).

Remained ‘Loose’ until set 430 Jun-63 thence  set 770 Jun-64 and ‘Loose’ Jun-65.

Coach sent to ER c.Jun-67 thence wdn Sep-68.  

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Set 774 has a discrepancy on the CM&EE Record Card with date ‘in’ being 12-May-59 for an A2 exam but date ‘out’ as 30-May-58. However, with an E4 exam 8-May-56 (outshopped) and the A2 exams every two years 1958 would sit with the A2 exam of 26-Oct-60 (outshopped).

 

 

Cond.

Condemned

Disb.

Disbanded

Wdn.

Withdrawn

 


 
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