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London & South
Western Railway
2 Coach Trailer
Sets
(inc.
Southern Railway)
London & South Western Railway
DC
electric suburban services
In
summation the mainstay for DC electric suburban services was provided by the 3
Car Motor Units. Initially this was for the LSWR 1915 electrification (London & South Western
Railway) then subsequently the Southern
Electric (following
the formation of the Southern Railway from 1st January 1923)
right through to these units’ Wartime augmentation to 4-car.
Usually
referred to as ‘3s’ in internal railway publications, these electric units
often operated in pairs with 2-coach Trailer Sets (coupled in between) to form
an 8-car train.
During
the Second World War these 3 Car Motor Units were augmented to 4-cars so as to bring the trailer-unit operations to a close.
Eventually these augmented 4-car units were referred to as 4 SUB
when the ‘Bulleid’ 4 SUB units started to appear from
1941.
Increasing
Capacity
Due
to the rapid growth in traffic following the LSWR electrification scheme in
1915 /1916 it became necessary to increase capacity on a
number of trains to cope with demand. There were insufficient electric 3
Car Motor Units available to make-up trains to three‑unit formations and
9-car trains were too long for a number of platforms.
Two‑coach
Trailer Sets
So,
in May 1919 it was decided to form ten two‑coach Trailer Sets by
converting five four-coach bogie block trains which would be marshalled between
two 3 Car Motor Units on busy trains giving an 8-car train. The performance of
the 3 Car Motor Units was sufficient to allow these 8-car trains to maintain
the electric schedules.
Conversion
of Steam-hauled Stock
Conversion
proceeded quite slowly, with ten Trailer Sets being ready by May 1920, but in
view of still rising traffic a further four bogie block trains were then
authorised for conversion to bring the total of Trailer Sets up to eighteen,
and a further three were taken for conversion in October 1922 bringing the
total of new Trailer Sets up to twenty four.
Twelve
of the steam bogie-block trains were therefore modified at Eastleigh to form
the Trailer Sets, these vehicles thereby having the same body styles as the 3
Car Motor Units after conversion.
The
vehicles had been built at Eastleigh between March 1904 and September 1912 and
were mounted on wooden underframes with steel channel solebars. The
7-compartment Brake Thirds became 9-compartment vehicles with two new
compartments replacing the former van area, these new compartments being
5' 8" wide whilst the original seven were 5' 6" wide. They
now weighed 22 tons 18cwt.
Once
again vehicle lengths differed, twelve of the vehicles were 49' over bodywork
(51' 7" over buffers) whilst the remainder were 51' long
(53' 7" over buffers). The Trailer Sets were formed with an 8‑compartment
coach (eighty seats) coupled to a 9‑compartment one (ninety seats),
alternate sets being formed with a shorter underframe vehicle, sets therefore
being either 105' or 107' long. Overall width was 8' 10½" and they
weighed 45 tons 12cwt (107' ones) or 45 tons 8cwt (105' ones)
and seated one hundred & seventy third-class.
The
Composites had all eight compartments downgraded to third-class, the
49' former Tri‑Composites having three compartments 6' 6"
wide, three 5' 10" wide and two 5' 6" wide, whilst the 51'
Tri‑Composites had four at 6' 6" and four at 6' 0"
wide, though one vehicle was taken from a different batch of 51' Bi‑Composites
having five 6' 6" and three 5' 10" compartments. The
49' coaches now weighed 22 tons 14cwt whilst the 51' coaches
were 22 tons 18cwt.
Braking
Systems
Modifications
consisted of altering the braking from vacuum to the quick‑acting air
system of the 3 Car Motor Units and converting the heating and lighting to work
with power supplied from the 3 Car Motor Units via the jumper connections.
Power
Supply
Batteries
where fitted were removed as these were no longer required. No shoegear was
fitted to these Trailer Sets, nor were any driving cabs provided, the outermost
vehicle ends were fitted with waist height jumper connections for heating,
lighting and through-control purposes, the air braking connections remaining at
low level adjacent to the screw coupling. Cables connecting the power jumpers
of the 3 Car Motor Units were run along the coach roofs rather than underfloor
as on the 3 Car Motor Units.
Passenger
Accommodation
All
accommodation was now third-class, though due to the origins of the vehicles,
the former first and second class compartments were
wider than the original third class ones.
Couplings
Coaches
were close‑coupled with the LSWR type block‑train steel disc and
drawbar coupling, later replaced by the SR style centre buffer and three link chain, and the former van space end of the 9‑compartment
coach was outermost, with the wider former first‑class compartments of
the 8‑compartment coaches also being outermost.
Former
Composites also had conventional buffing gear fitted at what became the outer
end of the Trailer Set. All coaches retained their original LSWR fixed
bolster bogies on conversion.
Depots
They
were initially maintained with the 3 Car Motor Units at Durnsford
Road and Strawberry Hill.
Smoking
The
8‑compartment coaches contained two non-smoking compartments, these being
the third one in from each end of the coach, whilst the 9
compartment coach had three, located as the second from each end and the
centremost one.
Into
Service
The
first Trailer Sets were ready for use from the summer of 1920 and were
allocated set numbers T1-T24 by the LSWR, but became Trailer Sets 1001-1024
following formation of the Southern Railway in 1923. However, the vehicles were
not renumbered until they required repainting; this started in 1926 with the
last being done as late as August 1931.
The
LSWR numbered the 9‑compartment coaches 7401 /7404 /7405 /7408 /7409
/7412 /7413 /7416 /7417 /7420 /7421 /7423 then odd numbers up to 7447. The 51'
long 8‑compartment vehicles were numbered 7402 /7406 /7410 /7414 /7418
/7424 /7428 /7430 /7436 /7438 /7440 /7446 whilst the 49' vehicles became
7403 /7407 /7411 /7415 /7419 /7422 /7426 /7432 /7434 /7442 /7444 /7448.
The
rather haphazard way the sets were numbered stems partly from the fact that
they were delivered in three batches, the first ten in 1920, a further batch of
eight followed late in 1921 and the final six not delivered until early 1923,
and the numbering of different vehicle types in one number range. The SR
renumbered all the coaches into a new series between 8901 and 8948 and
rearranged them into individual types within this series. The new numbers were
then:
9‑compartment coaches
8925-8948.
51' 8‑compartment coaches
8913-8924.
49' 8‑compartment coaches
8901-8912.
The
9‑compartment trailers were allocated diagram number 722 whilst the 8‑compartment
trailers (49' bodies) became diagram number 720 and those with
(51' bodies) became diagram number 721.
Livery
Coaches
were renumbered as they became due for a general overhaul and were repainted
into SR dark green at this time.
Bogie
Modifications
The
ex. LSWR fixed bolster bogies did not ride that well and accordingly were
rebuilt with moving bolsters, this work being authorised by H.O. 391 dated 8th
November 1928, which also included the trailer bogies of the ex. LSWR 3 Car
Motor Units nos.1201-1284. This work was completed by August 1933.
However,
these bogies continued to give trouble as they wore out, and a further order,
H.O. 809 dated 23rd March 1934 authorised the provision of
one-hundred new ‘standard’ bogies to re‑equip this whole batch of Trailer
Sets and provide a few spares.
Lighting
Jumpers
These
Trailer Sets did not originally have the central lighting jumper found on other
suburban stock batches as they ran with the ex. LSWR and Guildford
/Dorking units which were also not so fitted when new. They were modified from
about 1934 when the ex. LSWR units were rebuilt on longer underframes and made
more standard with all the other units, the Western Section units then becoming
common-user with the remainder of the suburban fleet from 1938.
Planned
Rebuilding
It
was planned to rebuild these Trailer Sets in a similar manner to the ex. LSWR 3
Car Motor Units, and Eastleigh were given H.O. 1007 dated 17-Dec-37 for
rebuilding of one set onto standard underframes. However, this was cancelled
from 20-Jul-38 and none were rebuilt.
Wartime
& Reformations
Two
sets were withdrawn following accident damage, two others were damaged during
the war and not repaired and one was used for wartime
purposes with the bodies grounded following accident damage, the remainder
surviving in traffic until all were withdrawn between 1946 and 1949 and
scrapped, the bodies at Lancing and underframes mostly in the London area,
during the large scale reorganisation of the suburban fleet into 4-car motor
units. A handful of this batch lasted until the end of Trailer Set operation on
the SR on 26th September 1948.
The
original formations of the LSWR sets is shewn below,
followed by the new SR set number and the date the set was renumbered along
with the works where this was carried out. Dates sets entered traffic are shewn
below the set number in the second table.
The
SR formations show the original LSWR coach in brackets below the SR number.
LSWR |
Conv. |
8 Compt. |
9 Compt. |
New SR |
Date coaches |
Works |
1920 sets |
||||||
T1 |
Jan-20 |
7402 |
7401 |
1001 |
20-Mar-26 |
Eastleigh |
T2 |
Jan-20 |
7403* |
7404 |
1002 |
20-Mar-26 |
Eastleigh |
T3 |
Apr-20 |
7406 |
7405 |
1003 |
17-Apr-26 |
Eastleigh |
T4 |
Apr-20 |
7407* |
7408 |
1004 |
24-Apr-26 |
Eastleigh |
T5 |
Apr-20 |
7410 |
7409 |
1005 |
24-Apr-26 |
Eastleigh |
T6 |
Jan-20 |
7411* |
7412 |
1006 |
24-Jul-26 |
Eastleigh |
T7 |
Apr-20 |
7414 |
7413 |
1007 |
17-Apr-26 |
Eastleigh |
T8 |
May-20 |
7415* |
7416 |
1008 |
3-Apr-26 |
Eastleigh |
T9 |
May-20 |
7418 |
7417 |
1009 |
24-Jul-26 |
Eastleigh |
T10 |
May-20 |
7419* |
7420 |
1010 |
3-Apr-26 |
Eastleigh |
1921 sets |
||||||
T11 |
Oct-21 |
7424 |
7421 |
1011 |
27-Oct-28 |
Eastleigh |
T12 |
Oct-21 |
7422* |
7423 |
1012 |
24-Nov-28 |
Eastleigh |
T13 |
Dec-21 |
7426* |
7425 |
1013 |
23-Mar-29 |
Eastleigh |
T14 |
Dec-21 |
7428 |
7427 |
1014 |
12-Jan-29 |
Eastleigh |
T15 |
Dec-21 |
7430 |
7429 |
1015 |
27-Oct-28 |
Eastleigh |
T16 |
Dec-21 |
7432* |
7431 |
1016 |
12-Jan-29 |
Eastleigh |
T17 |
Dec-21 |
7434* |
7433 |
1017 |
20-Jun-30 |
Lancing |
T18 |
Dec-21 |
7436 |
7435 |
1018 |
24-Jun-30 |
Lancing |
1923 sets |
||||||
T19 |
Dec-22 |
7438 |
7437 |
1019 |
1-Nov-29 |
Eastleigh |
T20 |
Dec-22 |
7440 1 |
7439 |
1020 |
1-Aug-31 |
Eastleigh |
T21 |
Dec-22 |
7442* |
7441 |
1021 |
17-Jun-30 |
Lancing |
T22 |
Dec-22 |
7444* |
7443 |
1022 |
4-Mar-30 |
Lancing |
T23 |
Dec-22 |
7446 |
7445 |
1023 |
3-Jan-30 |
Lancing |
T24 |
Dec-22 |
7448* |
7447 |
1024 |
14-Nov-30 |
Lancing |
Notes |
|
* |
49' body 8 compt. vehicle |
|
|
Footnote |
|
1 |
Coach with
slightly different compartment widths to remaining 51’ conversions. |
SR Set |
8 Compt. |
9 Compt. |
Withdrawn |
Body scrap |
U/Frame scrap |
Diag. No. |
720*/721 |
722 |
|
w/e date |
w/e date |
1001 |
8913 |
8925 |
23-Mar-46 |
‘London Bridge’ |
‘London Bridge’ |
1002 |
8901* |
8926 |
6-Feb-47 |
Lancing |
Mitcham |
1003 |
8914 |
8927 |
29-Jun-38 |
Effingham Jct. |
Eastleigh |
1004 |
8902* |
8928 |
9-Mar-46 |
New Cross Gate |
New Cross Gate |
1005 |
8915 |
8929 |
12-Aug-48 |
Ashford (Grounded) |
Angerstein Wharf |
1006 |
8903* |
8930 |
2-Oct-48 |
Lancing |
Angerstein Wharf |
1007 |
8916 |
8931 |
31-Aug-46 |
New Cross Gate |
Eardley |
1008 |
8904* |
8932 |
c.Dec-46 |
New Cross Gate |
New Cross Gate |
1009 |
8917 |
8933 |
20-Nov-40 |
Selhurst depot |
Selhurst depot |
1010 |
8905* |
8934 |
9-Jul-47 |
Lancing |
Mitcham |
1011 |
8918 |
8935 |
30-Sep-47 |
Lancing |
Lancing |
1012 |
8906* |
8936 |
1-Mar-47 |
Lancing |
Mitcham |
1013 |
8907* |
8937 |
21-Dec-38 |
Hampton Court |
Hampton Court |
1014 |
8919 |
8938 |
28-Dec-46 |
Lancing |
Mitcham |
1015 |
8920 |
8939 |
12-Apr-47 |
Lancing |
Mitcham |
1016 |
8908* |
8940 |
26-Apr-47 |
Lancing |
Mitcham |
1017 |
8909* |
8941 |
2-Oct-48 |
Lancing |
|
1018 |
8921 |
8942 |
19-Mar-48 |
Lancing |
Angerstein Wharf |
1019 |
8922 |
8943 |
8-Sep-48 |
Lancing |
Angerstein Wharf |
1020 |
8923 2 |
8944 |
26-Sep-47 |
Lancing |
Angerstein Wharf |
1021 |
8910* |
8945 |
6-May-43 |
Grounded |
New Cross Gate? |
1022 |
8911* |
8946 |
26-Aug-47 |
Lancing |
Mitcham |
1023 |
8924 |
8947 |
11-Nov-44 |
New Cross Gate |
New Cross Gate |
1024 |
8912* |
8948 |
15-Feb-47 |
Lancing |
Mitcham |
Note |
|
* |
49' body 8 compt. vehicle (diag. no.720). |
|
|
Footnotes |
|
2 |
Coach with
slightly different compartment widths to remaining 51’ conversions. |
Note on Disposals
Coaches shewn as disposed of by ‘London Bridge’ are believed to
have been allocated to London Bridge C&W staff for breaking, the actual
location of breaking-up being uncertain, though in the London Bridge C&W
area (possibly at Ewer Street or Rotherhithe Road), as coach breaking is
unlikely to have taken place at London Bridge itself.
Individual Set
Notes
(1001-1024)
Set |
|
1001 |
Set commenced service 2-Jul-20. Set slightly damaged by enemy bombing at Spa Road
20-Feb-44, repaired at Selhurst between 24-Feb-44 and 25-Feb-44. Set withdrawn 23-Mar-46, and
sent to West Worthing for use by Growers Association. Later moved to ‘London Bridge’ for disposal
w/e 11-Aug-51. |
1002 |
Set commenced service 2-Jul-20. Set withdrawn 6-Feb-47 and sent to Lancing for
disposal, body of TT 8901 broken-up there
w/e 22-Feb-74, body of TT 8926 broken-up there w/e 11-Mar-47.
Both underframes cut‑up at Mitcham w/e 29-Mar-47. |
1003 |
Set commenced service 12-Jul-20. Both coaches damaged in collision at Effingham
Jct. 29-Jun-38 and withdrawn. Both bodies broken‑up on site,
underframes cut-up at Eastleigh Jan-39. |
1004 |
Set commenced service 12-Jul-20. Set withdrawn 9-Mar-46 and sent to New Cross Gate
for disposal. Body of TT 8928 broken‑up there w/e 27-Apr-46,
body of TT 8902 broken‑up there w/e 25-May-46, both
underframes also cut‑up there c.May-46. |
1005 |
Set commenced service 27-Jul-20. Set withdrawn 12-Aug-48 and body of TT 8929
grounded at Ashford. Body of TT 8915 broken‑up at Lancing
w/e 11-Jun-49. Both underframes cut‑up at Angerstein
Wharf w/e 2-Jul-49. |
1006 |
Set commenced service 2-Jul-20. Set slightly damaged by enemy bombing at Slades Green 4-Feb-44, repaired at the depot by 8-Feb-44.
Set stored by Sep‑48 and withdrawn 2-Oct-48 and sent to Lancing for
disposal. Both bodies broken‑up there
w/e 15-Jan-49, both underframes cut‑up at Angerstein
Wharf w/e 26-Feb-49. |
1007 |
Set commenced service 12-Jul-20. Set withdrawn 31-Aug-46 and sent to New Cross Gate
for disposal. Both bodies broken‑up there
w/e 31-Aug-46, both underframes cut‑up at Eardley
w/e 11-Jan-47. |
1008 |
Set commenced service 23-Jul-20. Set withdrawn c.Dec-46 and
body of TT 8932 grounded at Clapham Jct. for CEL. Body of TT 8904
broken‑up at New Cross Gate w/e 21-Dec-46. Both underframes cut‑up
at New Cross Gate w/e 11-Jan-47. |
1009 |
Set commenced service 23-Jul-20. Both coaches damaged by enemy action at Selhurst
Depot 14-Oct-40 and set withdrawn 20-Nov-40, broken‑up on site. |
1010 |
Set commenced service 27-Jul-20. Set withdrawn 9-Jul-47 and sent to Lancing for
disposal. Body of TT 8905 broken‑up there
w/e 27-Dec-47, body of TT 8934 broken‑up there
w/e 3-Jan-48. Both underframes sent to Mitcham 2-Jan-48 and cut‑up
there, TT 8934 w/e 17-Jan-48 and TT 8905 w/e 31-Jan-48. |
1011 |
Set commenced service 6-Dec-21. Set withdrawn 30-Sep-47 and sent to Lancing for
disposal. Both bodies broken‑up there w/e 20-Dec-47,
both underframes cut‑up there w/e 3-Apr-48. |
1012 |
Set commenced service 9-Dec-21. Set slightly damaged by F/B (V1 flying bomb) blast
at Forest Hill 22-Jun-44, repaired at Selhurst. Set withdrawn 1-Mar-47 and
sent to Lancing for disposal. Both bodies broken‑up there
w/e 29-Mar-47, both underframes cut‑up at Mitcham
w/e 10-May-47. |
1013 |
Set commenced service 19-Dec-21. Both coaches damaged in collision at Hampton Court
19-Nov-37 (details unknown) and withdrawn officially from 21-Dec-38.
TT 8937 broken‑up on site 20-Nov-37, TT 8907 later also cut‑up
there Mar-39. |
1014 |
Set commenced service 22-Dec-21. Set withdrawn 28-Dec-46 and sent to Lancing for
disposal. Both bodies broken‑up there
w/e 15-Feb-47. Both underframes cut‑up at Mitcham w/e 29-Mar-47. |
1015 |
Set commenced service 9-Jan-22. Set withdrawn 12-Apr-47 and sent to Lancing for
disposal. Both bodies broken‑up there
w/e 10-May-47. Both underframes cut‑up at Mitcham
w/e 12-Jul-47. |
1016 |
Set commenced service 18-Jan-22. Set withdrawn 26-Apr-47 and sent to Lancing for
disposal. Body of TT 8940 broken‑up there
w/e 24-May-47, body of TT 8908 broken‑up there
w/e 31-May-47. Both underframes cut‑up at Mitcham
w/e 12-Jul-47. |
1017 |
Set commenced service 21-Feb-22. Set stored by Sep‑48 and withdrawn 2-Oct-48
and sent to Lancing for disposal. Body of TT 8909 broken‑up there w/e 12-Mar-49, body of TT 8941 broken‑up
there w/e 26-Mar-49. Underframe
disposal uncertain, both were sent from Lancing to Eastleigh 11-Mar-49. |
1018 |
Set commenced service 20-Feb-22. Set withdrawn 19-Mar-48 and sent to Lancing for
disposal. Both bodies broken‑up there
w/e 5-Jun-48, both underframes sent to Mitcham 5-Jun-48, later cut‑up
at Angerstein Wharf, TT 8921 w/e 4-Sep-48
and TT 8942 w/e 11-Sep-48. |
1019 |
Set commenced service 2-Apr-23. Set withdrawn 8-Sep-48 and sent to Lancing for
disposal. Both bodies broken‑up there
w/e 18-Sep-48. Both underframes cut‑up at Angerstein
Wharf w/e 2-Oct-48. |
1020 |
Set commenced service 2-Apr-23. Set withdrawn 26-Sep-47 and sent to Lancing for
disposal. Both bodies broken‑up there
w/e 7-Feb-48. Both underframes sent for store to Tisted
11-Feb-48, cut‑up at Angerstein Wharf
w/e 4-Sep-48. |
1021 |
Set commenced service 15-Mar-23. Set withdrawn 6-May-43 after runaway accident
damage at Sevenoaks (Tubs Hill) and both coaches grounded for wartime
use, TT 8910 (officially withdrawn 16-Jun-43) at New Malden for
Home Guard, TT 8945 at Eardley Sidings for C.E.L. though one compartment
was noted at New Cross Gate. Both underframes cut‑up 29-Dec-43 (possibly
at New Cross Gate?) |
1022 |
Set commenced service 5-Mar-23. Set withdrawn 26-Aug-47 and sent to Lancing for
disposal. Both bodies broken‑up there
w/e 24-Jan-48. Both underframes sent to Tisted
23-Jan-48 then cut-up at Mitcham w/e 31-Jan-48. |
1023 |
Set commenced service 1-Mar-23. Set badly damaged by V1 blast near South
Bermondsey 26-Oct-44 and withdrawn w/e 11-Nov-44. Both coaches broken-up
at nearby New Cross Gate. |
1024 |
Set commenced service 28-Mar-23. Set withdrawn 15-Feb-47 and sent to Lancing for
disposal. Body of TT 8948 broken‑up there
w/e 3-May-47, body of TT 8912 broken‑up there
w/e 10-May-47. Both underframes cut‑up at Mitcham
w/e 12-Jul-47. |
Origin
of Vehicles
(Trailer Sets 1001-1024)
The identity of the LSWR
vehicles used to form Trailer Sets 1001-1024 is known and tabulated below.
49' 0"
eight compartment trailer thirds converted at Eastleigh and to SR diagram
number 720.
Converted from 8-compartment
tri-composites with 11122233 layout, three compartments 6' 6" wide,
three compartments 5' 10" wide and two compartments 5' 6"
wide.
LSWR |
New |
LSWR |
Date |
LSWR |
LSWR |
SR |
Final |
334 |
Sep-12 |
2569 |
Jan-20 |
7403 |
T2 |
8901 |
1002 |
274 |
Dec-10 |
2510 |
Apr-20 |
7407 |
T3 |
8902 |
1004 |
351 |
Dec-11 |
2572 |
Jan-20 |
7411 |
T6 |
8903 |
1006 |
355 |
Jan-12 |
2576 |
May-20 |
7415 |
T8 |
8904 |
1008 |
226 |
Aug-12 |
2465 |
May-20 |
7419 |
T10 |
8905 |
1010 |
353 |
Dec-11 |
2574 |
Oct-21 |
7422 |
T11 |
8906 |
1012 |
395 |
Jun-10 |
2612 |
Dec-21 |
7426 |
T13 |
8907 |
1013 |
400 |
Jul-10 |
2617 |
Dec-21 |
7432 |
T16 |
8908 |
1016 |
1001 |
Sep-10 |
3103 |
Dec-21 |
7434 |
T17 |
8909 |
1017 |
193 |
Mar-04 |
2435 |
Dec-22 |
7442 |
T21 |
8910 |
1021 |
318 |
Dec-05 |
2553 |
Dec-22 |
7444 |
T22 |
8911 |
1022 |
918 |
Jun-06 |
3043 |
Dec-22 |
7448 |
T24 |
8912 |
1024 |
51' 0"
eight compartment trailer thirds converted at Eastleigh and to SR diagram
number 721.
Converted
from 8‑compartment tri-composites with 11112223 layout, four compartments
6' 6" wide and four compartments 6' 0" wide.
LSWR |
New |
LSWR |
Date |
LSWR |
LSWR |
SR |
Final |
169 |
Sep-12 |
2412 |
Jan-20 |
7402 |
T1 |
8913 |
1001 |
275 |
Dec-10 |
2511 |
Apr-20 |
7406 |
T4 |
8914 |
1003 |
352 |
Dec-11 |
2573 |
Apr-20 |
7410 |
T5 |
8915 |
1005 |
356 |
Jan-12 |
2577 |
Apr-20 |
7414 |
T7 |
8916 |
1007 |
222 |
Aug-12 |
2461 |
May-20 |
7418 |
T9 |
8917 |
1009 |
354 |
Dec-11 |
2575 |
Oct-21 |
7424 |
T12 |
8918 |
1011 |
396 |
Jun-10 |
2613 |
Dec-21 |
7428 |
T14 |
8919 |
1014 |
401 |
Jul-10 |
2618 |
Dec-21 |
7430 |
T15 |
8920 |
1015 |
399 |
Jun-10 |
2616 |
Dec-21 |
7436 |
T18 |
8921 |
1018 |
384 |
Dec-05 |
2604 |
Dec-22 |
7438 |
T19 |
8922 |
1019 |
919 |
Jun-06 |
3044 |
Dec-22 |
7446 |
T23 |
8924 |
1023 |
51' 0"
eight compartment trailer third converted at Eastleigh and to SR diagram number
721.
Converted
from 8‑compartment composites with 11111222 layout, five compartments
6' 6" wide and three compartments 5' 10" wide.
LSWR |
New |
LSWR |
Date |
LSWR |
LSWR |
SR |
Final |
236 |
Mar-04 |
2475 |
Dec-22 |
7440 |
T20 |
8923 |
1020 |
51' 0"
nine compartment trailer thirds converted at Eastleigh and to SR diagram number
722.
Converted
from 7-compartment brake thirds, brake area rebuilt as two new compartments
(5' 8" wide) with original seven compartments retained
(5' 6" wide).
LSWR |
New |
LSWR |
Date |
LSWR |
LSWR |
SR |
Final |
1595 |
Sep-12 |
- |
Jan-20 |
7401 |
T1 |
8925 |
1001 |
1594 |
Sep-12 |
- |
Jan-20 |
7404 |
T2 |
8926 |
1002 |
646 |
Dec-10 |
1806 |
Apr-20 |
7405 |
T3 |
8927 |
1003 |
674 |
Dec-10 |
1829 |
Apr-20 |
7408 |
T4 |
8928 |
1004 |
804 |
Dec-11 |
1889 |
Apr-20 |
7409 |
T5 |
8929 |
1005 |
787 |
Dec-11 |
1884 |
Jan-20 |
7412 |
T6 |
8930 |
1006 |
1023 |
Jan-12 |
1946 |
Apr-20 |
7413 |
T7 |
8931 |
1007 |
1009 |
Jan-12 |
1944 |
May-20 |
7416 |
T8 |
8932 |
1008 |
1589 |
Aug-12 |
- |
May-20 |
7417 |
T9 |
8933 |
1009 |
1588 |
Aug-12 |
- |
May-20 |
7420 |
T10 |
8934 |
1010 |
887 |
Dec-11 |
1914 |
Oct-21 |
7421 |
T11 |
8935 |
1011 |
1006 |
Dec-11 |
1942 |
Oct-21 |
7423 |
T12 |
8936 |
1012 |
781 |
Jun-10 |
1880 |
Dec-21 |
7425 |
T13 |
8937 |
1013 |
103 |
Jun-10 |
1497 |
Dec-21 |
7427 |
T14 |
8938 |
1014 |
143 |
Jul-10 |
1507 |
Dec-21 |
7429 |
T15 |
8939 |
1015 |
108 |
Jul-10 |
1502 |
Dec-21 |
7431 |
T16 |
8940 |
1016 |
106 |
Jun-10 |
1500 |
Dec-21 |
7433 |
T17 |
8941 |
1017 |
107 |
Jun-10 |
1501 |
Dec-21 |
7435 |
T18 |
8942 |
1018 |
179 |
Dec-05 |
1598 |
Dec-22 |
7437 |
T19 |
8943 |
1019 |
329 |
Nov-04 |
1655 |
Dec-22 |
7439 |
T20 |
8944 |
1020 |
158 |
Mar-04 |
1526 |
Dec-22 |
7441 |
T21 |
8945 |
1021 |
671 |
Dec-05 |
1826 |
Dec-22 |
7443 |
T22 |
8946 |
1022 |
1355 |
Jun-06 |
- |
Dec-22 |
7445 |
T23 |
8947 |
1023 |
1361 |
Jun-06 |
- |
Dec-22 |
7447 |
T24 |
8948 |
1024 |
Southern
Railway Trailer Set Vehicles
The
origin of vehicles converted for use in the subsequent batches of Trailer Sets
ordered by the Southern Railway was complex. and is shewn in detail in the
sections on individual batches of sets. The following table summarises all the
vehicles utilised:
Column |
|
1 |
Coach
numbers. |
2 |
The
sets to which they were allocated. |
3 |
Coupling
arrangement within set (C for close coupled with three link chain and centre
buffer followed by CB for centre buffer fitted or RP for rubbing plate
fitted, L for loose with side buffers and screw coupling). |
4 |
The
location where the conversion to electric operation was carried out. |
5 |
Details
of the underframe type (STD is new 62' 0" frame constructed at
Lancing works, non-standard lengths are detailed and
AC is a former LBSCR underframe used earlier in AC units). |
6 |
Pre-grouping
company which built the bodies. |
7 |
Date
of conversion. |
8 |
Layout
of the vehicle (number of compartments). |
9 |
SR
diagram number allocated to the modified body. |
10 |
H.O.
order number for the batch of sets. |
All
vehicles were classified as Trailer Thirds (TT). In some cases, vehicles were
not allocated to sets in numerical order or a particular type of vehicle did
not appear in each set, in these cases the number range of the set numbers is
shewn in brackets. Similarly, some batches of coaches though numbered in one
series utilised bodies from different sources in otherwise identical coaches
and had different diagram numbers as a result, these are also shewn in square
brackets.
The
diagram numbers of many vehicles were later amended during the wholesale
reforming of sets between 1934 and 1938 when many were altered to be close‑coupled
to a newly converted ex. LSWR 10 or 11-compartment coach, or when they were
reformed into newly augmented 4 SUB units from 1943 onwards.
Coach |
Into Sets |
Coupling |
Conv. |
U/Frame |
Body |
Date |
Compt. |
Diag. |
H.O. |
8901-8912 |
(1002-1024) |
C ?? |
ELGH |
49’ |
LSWR |
1920-3 |
8 |
720 |
- |
8913-8924 |
(1001-1023) |
C ?? |
ELGH |
51’ |
LSWR |
1920-3 |
8 |
721 |
- |
8925-8948 |
1001-1024 |
C ?? |
ELGH |
51’ |
LSWR |
1920-3 |
9 |
722 |
- |
8949-8974 |
1025-1037 |
L |
LANC |
54’ |
LBSC |
1925 |
9 |
723 |
67 |
8975-8998 |
1121-1144 |
C CB |
AFD |
46’ |
SECR |
1928 |
8 |
725 |
214 |
[8999-9120] |
1051-1109 |
L |
LANC |
54’ |
LBSC |
1925/6 |
9 |
723 3 |
53 |
[8999-9120] |
1051-1109 |
L |
LANC |
54’ |
LBSC |
1925/6 |
9 |
724 4 |
53 |
9078 5 |
1078 |
L |
ELGH |
62’ |
LSWR |
Dec-35 |
10 |
739 6 |
- |
9121-9132 |
1110-1117 |
L |
LANC |
50’ |
LBSC |
1926 |
9 |
726 7 |
136 |
9133-9155 |
1145-1167 |
C CB |
AFD |
46’ |
SECR |
1928/9 |
8 |
725 |
214 |
9140 8 |
1152 |
C CB |
LANC |
54’ |
LBSC |
1937 |
9 |
737 |
- |
9156-9166 9 |
(1189-1194) |
C CB |
AFD |
46’ |
SECR |
Mar-31 |
8 |
725 |
585 |
9157-9167 10 |
(1189-1194) |
C RP |
AFD |
STD |
LSWR |
Mar-31 |
11 |
727 11 |
|
9168-9170 12 |
1195-1196 |
C RP |
ELGH |
STD |
LSWR |
Sep-34 |
10 |
731 A |
791 |
9169-9171 13 |
1195-1196 |
C CB |
ELGH |
STD |
LSWR |
Oct-34 |
10 |
732 B |
791 |
9172 |
1197 |
C RP |
ELGH |
STD |
LSWR |
Oct-34 |
10 |
731 A |
791 |
9173-9175 |
1197-1198 |
C CB |
ELGH |
STD |
LSWR |
Oct-34 |
10 |
732 B |
791 |
9176-9182 14 |
1043-1049 |
C CB |
ELGH |
STD |
LSWR |
Jul-35 |
10 |
732 B |
844 |
9177-9183 15 |
1044-1050 |
C RP |
ELGH |
STD |
LSWR |
Jul-35 |
10 |
731 A |
844 |
9184 |
1111 |
C CB |
ELGH |
STD |
LSWR |
Jul-35 |
10 |
732 B |
844 |
9185 |
1112 |
C RP |
ELGH |
STD |
LSWR |
Jul-35 |
10 |
731 A |
844 |
9186 |
1113 |
C CB |
ELGH |
STD |
LSWR |
Aug-35 |
10 |
732 B |
844 |
9187 |
1097 |
C RP |
ELGH |
STD |
LSWR |
Aug-35 |
10 |
731 A |
844 |
9188 |
1064 |
C CB |
ELGH |
STD |
LSWR |
Aug-35 |
10 |
732 B |
844 |
9189 |
1092 |
C RP |
ELGH |
STD |
LSWR |
Aug-35 |
10 |
731 A |
844 |
9190 |
1071 |
C CB |
ELGH |
STD |
LSWR |
Sep-35 |
10 |
732 B |
844 |
9191 |
1070 |
C RP |
ELGH |
STD |
LSWR |
Sep-35 |
10 |
731 A |
844 |
9192 |
1042 |
C CB |
ELGH |
STD |
LSWR |
Nov-35 |
10 |
732 B |
853 |
9193 |
1041 |
C CB |
ELGH |
STD |
LSWR |
Nov-35 |
10 |
732 B |
853 |
9194 |
1059 |
C CB |
ELGH |
STD |
LSWR |
Nov-35 |
10 |
732 B |
853 |
9195 |
1040 |
C RP |
ELGH |
STD |
LSWR |
Nov-35 |
10 |
731 A |
853 |
9196 |
1096 |
C RP |
ELGH |
STD |
LSWR |
Nov-35 |
10 |
731 A |
853 |
9197 |
1039 |
C RP |
ELGH |
STD |
LSWR |
Nov-35 |
10 |
731 A |
853 |
9198 |
1055 |
C RP |
ELGH |
STD |
LSWR |
Nov-35 |
10 |
731 A |
853 |
9199 |
1073 |
C RP |
ELGH |
STD |
LSWR |
Nov-35 |
10 |
731 A |
853 |
9200 |
1038 |
C CB |
ELGH |
STD |
LSWR |
Jul-36 |
10 |
732 B |
901 |
9201 |
1072 |
C RP |
ELGH |
STD |
LSWR |
Jul-36 |
10 |
731 A |
901 |
9202 |
1118 |
C CB |
ELGH |
STD |
LSWR |
Mar-37 |
10 |
732 B |
901 |
9203 |
1119 |
C RP |
ELGH |
STD |
LSWR |
Mar-37 |
10 |
731 A |
901 |
9204 |
1120 |
C CB |
ELGH |
STD |
LSWR |
Mar-37 |
10 |
732 B |
901 |
9205 |
1199 |
C RP |
ELGH |
STD |
LSWR |
Mar-37 |
10 |
731 A |
901 |
9206 |
1068 |
C CB |
ELGH |
STD |
LSWR |
Apr-37 |
10 |
732 B |
901 |
9207 |
1067 |
C RP |
ELGH |
STD |
LSWR |
Apr-37 |
10 |
731 A |
901 |
9208 |
1103 |
C RP |
ELGH |
STD |
LSWR |
Apr-37 |
10 |
731 A |
901 |
9209-9255 |
1121-1167 |
C RP |
AFD |
STD |
LSWR |
1928/9 |
11 |
727 16 |
214 |
9256-9277 |
1168-1178 |
L |
LANC |
AC |
LBCS |
1929/30 |
9 |
728 |
375 |
9278-9281 |
1179-1180 |
L |
LANC |
AC |
LBSC |
Jan-30 |
9 |
728 |
399 |
9282-9284 17 |
1181-1182 |
L |
LANC |
AC |
LBSC |
Feb-30 |
8½ |
730 |
455 |
9283-9293 18 |
1181-1186 |
L |
LANC |
AC |
LBSC |
Feb-30 |
9 |
728 |
455 |
9286-9292 19 |
1183-1186 |
L |
LANC |
AC |
LBSC |
Feb/Mar-30 |
8½ |
729 |
455 |
9294-9295 |
1187 |
L |
LANC |
AC |
LBSC |
Jul-30 |
9 |
728 |
516 |
9296 |
1188 |
C CB |
AFD |
46’ |
SECR |
9-Jul-30 |
8 |
725 |
516 |
9297 |
1188 |
C RP |
AFD |
STD |
LSWR |
9-Jul-30 |
11 |
727 20 |
516 |
9298 |
1098 |
C CB |
ELGH |
AFD |
LSWR |
Aug-37 |
10 |
739 21 |
901 |
9299 |
998 |
C CB |
ELGH |
STD |
LSWR |
Jul-37 |
10 |
732 B |
929 |
9300 |
999 |
C RP |
ELGH |
STD |
LSWR |
Jul-37 |
10 |
731 A |
929 |
9825 |
1000 |
C CB |
ELGH |
STD |
LSWR |
Jul-37 |
10 |
732 B |
929 |
9826 |
1200 |
C RP |
ELGH |
STD |
LSWR |
Jul-37 |
10 |
731 A |
929 |
9827 |
1081 |
C RP |
ELGH |
STD |
LSWR |
Sep-37 |
10 |
731 A |
929 |
9828 |
1084 |
C CB |
ELGH |
STD |
LSWR |
Sep-37 |
10 |
732 B |
929 |
9829 |
1095 |
C CB |
ELGH |
STD |
LSWR |
Sep-37 |
10 |
732 B |
929 |
9830 |
1085 |
C RP |
ELGH |
STD |
LSWR |
Sep-37 |
10 |
731 A |
929 |
10401 |
1093 |
C RP |
ELGH |
STD |
LSWR |
Jan-38 |
10 |
731 A |
965 |
10402 |
994 |
C CB |
ELGH |
STD |
LSWR |
Jan-38 |
10 |
732 B |
965 |
10403 |
993 |
C RP |
ELGH |
STD |
LSWR |
Feb-38 |
10 |
731 A |
965 |
10404 |
1090 |
C CB |
ELGH |
STD |
LSWR |
Feb-38 |
10 |
732 B |
965 |
10405 |
1108 |
C CB |
ELGH |
STD |
LSWR |
Feb-38 |
10 |
732 B |
965 |
10406 |
997 |
C RP |
ELGH |
STD |
LSWR |
Feb-38 |
10 |
731 A |
965 |
10407 |
1099 |
C RP |
ELGH |
STD |
LSWR |
Feb-38 |
10 |
731 A |
965 |
10408 |
1051 |
C RP |
ELGH |
STD |
LSWR |
Mar-38 |
10 |
731 A |
965 |
10409 |
995 |
C CB |
ELGH |
STD |
LSWR |
Feb-38 |
10 |
732 B |
965 |
10410 |
991 |
C RP |
ELGH |
STD |
LSWR |
Mar-38 |
10 |
731 A |
965 |
10411 |
989 |
C CB |
ELGH |
STD |
LSWR |
Mar-38 |
10 |
732 B |
965 |
10412 |
1082 |
C CB |
ELGH |
STD |
LSWR |
Mar-38 |
10 |
732 B |
965 |
10413 |
992 |
C CB |
ELGH |
STD |
LSWR |
Apr-38 |
10 |
732 B |
965 |
10414 |
1086 |
C RP |
ELGH |
STD |
LSWR |
Apr-38 |
10 |
731 A |
965 |
10415 |
996 |
C RP |
ELGH |
STD |
LSWR |
Apr-38 |
10 |
731 A |
965 |
10416 |
1104 |
C CB |
ELGH |
STD |
LSWR |
Apr-38 |
10 |
732 B |
965 |
10417 |
990 |
C CB |
ELGH |
STD |
LSWR |
May-38 |
10 |
732 B |
965 |
10418 |
1061 |
C RP |
ELGH |
STD |
LSWR |
May-38 |
10 |
731 A |
965 |
Notes |
|
A |
Diagram number altered to 741 when coaches
reformed into 4 SUB units. |
B |
Diagram number altered to 740 when coaches
reformed into 4 SUB units. |
Footnotes |
|
3 |
Diagram no.
of many altered to 735/6 where sets reformed and close-coupled 1934 – 1938. |
4 |
Diagram no.
of many altered to 737/8 where sets reformed and close-coupled 1934 – 1938. |
5 |
Replacement
for original vehicle, underframe recovered from ‘steam’ third 779. |
6 |
Diagram no.
altered to 743 when coach reformed into 4 SUB unit. |
7 |
Diagram No.
altered to 733/4 where sets reformed and close-coupled 1934 – 1938. |
8 |
Replacement
for original vehicle. |
9 |
Even numbers only. |
10 |
Odd numbers
only. |
11 |
Diagram no.
altered to 742 when coach reformed into 4 SUB unit. |
12 |
Even numbers
only, transferred to Sets 1115/1117 in 1934. |
13 |
Odd numbers
only. |
14 |
Even numbers
only. |
15 |
Odd numbers
only. |
16 |
Diagram no.
altered to 742 when coach reformed into 4 SUB unit. |
17 |
Even numbers
only. |
18 |
Odd numbers
only. |
19 |
Even numbers
only. |
20 |
Diagram no.
altered to 742 when coach reformed into 4 SUB unit. |
21 |
Diagram no.
altered to 743 when coach reformed into 4 SUB unit. |
Origin
of Trailer Set Vehicles
(where known)
Ex.
LSWR Coaches
The original identity of
conversions of former LSWR stock into 10 & 11-compartment trailer thirds at
Eastleigh from 1934 onwards is known, with two distinct types being used, split
between those converted into 11-compartment vehicles and those used as the
basis of 10-compartment vehicles.
Coaches for conversion into
11-compartment Trailer Thirds for Trailer Sets were drawn from the large number
of 51' 0" 7-compartment Brake Thirds built at Eastleigh between 1902
and 1912 as the end vehicles of bogie-block suburban sets. These coaches were
constructed on wooden underframes, though with some steel strengthening, though
those constructed after about 1905 had steel solebars. All had electric
lighting from new. They had conventional buffers at the brakevan
end and the LSWR pattern steel disc and drawbar block coupling at the passenger
end.
Conversion work took place at
Ashford works where the body was mounted onto a new standard 62' 0"
underframe (from Lancing) and the former brakevan
area was removed and replaced by four new 5' 6½" wide compartments.
The original seven passenger compartments were 5' 6" wide however. The resulting 11-compartment coaches were
therefore now 62' 0" long over bodies (64' 2¾" over
buffers) and they now seated 110 third.
One each of the vehicles were
used during 1928/9 (along with an SECR conversion) to form sets 1121-1167
whilst a few more were converted in 1930/1 for sets 1188-1194. All these
vehicles had new underframes with a rubbing plate fitted at what became the
inner end of the set. A number of the original
discarded composite construction underframes were later re-used under passenger
vans.
The following table lists these
vehicles in their final electric stock number series, with their original
numbers and construction dates, their second LSWR number where applicable,
their new SR number (those in italics were never applied), the date the vehicle
was withdrawn for conversion, the new electric stock number
and the initial set allocation of the vehicle.
LSWR |
New |
LSWR |
SR |
Date |
Electric |
Set |
1350 |
Nov-05 |
- |
2803 |
Feb-31 |
9157 |
1189 |
94 |
Oct-05 |
1447 |
2825 |
Feb-31 |
9159 |
1190 |
57 |
Dec-05 |
1324 |
2793 |
Feb-31 |
9161 |
1191 |
96 |
Jun-05 |
1481 |
2826 |
Feb-31 |
9163 |
1192 |
638 |
Oct-05 |
1798 |
2869 |
Mar-31 |
9165 |
1193 |
209 |
Nov-05 |
1608 |
2838 |
Mar-31 |
9167 |
1194 |
1372 |
May-06 |
- |
2810 |
17-Mar-28 |
9209 |
1121 |
708 |
May-06 |
1844 |
2877 |
17-Mar-28 |
9210 |
1122 |
266 |
Dec-02 |
1624 |
2841 |
17-Mar-28 |
9211 |
1123 |
153 |
May-05 |
1512 |
2829 |
17-Mar-28 |
9212 |
1124 |
750 |
Jun-03 |
1865 |
2883 |
17-Mar-28 |
9213 |
1125 |
1251 |
Jan-03 |
- |
2754 |
14-Apr-28 |
9214 |
1126 |
260 |
Dec-02 |
1622 |
2840 |
14-Apr-28 |
9215 |
1127 |
1266 |
Jul-03 |
- |
2767 |
21-Apr-28 |
9216 |
1128 |
310 |
Dec-02 |
1645 |
2845 |
28-Apr-28 |
9217 |
1129 |
1296 |
Oct-03 |
- |
2781 |
12-May-28 |
9218 |
1130 |
1335 |
Feb-05 |
- |
2797 |
19-May-28 |
9219 |
1131 |
21 |
Mar-04 |
1306 |
2786 |
26-May-28 |
9220 |
1132 |
37 |
Dec-02 |
1316 |
2791 |
26-May-28 |
9221 |
1133 |
27 |
Mar-02 |
1309 |
2787 |
26-May-28 |
9222 |
1134 |
292 |
Jun-03 |
1635 |
2842 |
26-May-28 |
9223 |
1135 |
684 |
Jun-05 |
1832 |
2874 |
26-May-28 |
9224 |
1136 |
295 |
Dec-02 |
1636 |
2843 |
28-Apr-28 |
9225 |
1137 |
1254 |
Feb-03 |
- |
2757 |
14-Apr-28 |
9226 |
1138 |
555 |
Dec-02 |
1722 |
2857 |
28-Apr-28 |
9227 |
1139 |
686 |
Jun-05 |
1833 |
2875 |
12-May-28 |
9228 |
1140 |
1295 |
Dec-03 |
- |
2780 |
12-May-28 |
9229 |
1141 |
1252 |
Jan-03 |
- |
2755 |
19-May-28 |
9230 |
1142 |
1253 |
Feb-03 |
- |
2756 |
19-May-28 |
9231 |
1143 |
1044 |
Feb-05 |
1954 |
2891 |
17-Apr-28 |
9232 |
1144 |
186 |
Apr-05 |
1600 |
2836 |
28-Apr-28 |
9233 |
1145 |
851 |
Dec-04 |
1902 |
2887 |
7-Nov-28 |
9234 |
1146 |
31 |
Dec-02 |
1311 |
2788 |
21-Nov-28 |
9235 |
1147 |
542 |
Dec-02 |
1715 |
2852 |
19-Jan-29 |
9236 |
1148 |
589 |
Dec-04 |
1752 |
2862 |
24-Oct-28 |
9237 |
1149 |
61 |
Feb-05 |
1370 |
2808 |
17-Jan-29 |
9238 |
1150 |
593 |
Oct-04 |
1756 |
2864 |
17-Jan-29 |
9239 |
1151 |
1336 |
Feb-05 |
- |
2798 |
17-Jan-29 |
9240 |
1152 |
64 |
May-05 |
1393 |
2812 |
19-Dec-28 |
9241 |
1153 |
607 |
Oct-04 |
1769 |
2866 |
19-Dec-28 |
9242 |
1154 |
740 |
Mar-04 |
1859 |
2881 |
3-Dec-28 |
9243 |
1155 |
1590 |
Aug-12 |
- |
2832 |
16-Feb-29 |
9244 |
1156 |
20 |
Jun-03 |
1305 |
2785 |
16-Feb-29 |
9245 |
1157 |
5 |
Dec-02 |
1299 |
2784 |
9-Feb-29 |
9246 |
1158 |
1330 |
Dec-04 |
- |
2794 |
9-Feb-29 |
9247 |
1159 |
1024 |
Dec-04 |
1947 |
2889 |
9-Feb-29 |
9248 |
1160 |
1267 |
Nov-03 |
- |
2768 |
16-Jan-29 |
9249 |
1161 |
725 |
Dec-05 |
1851 |
2878 |
9-Feb-29 |
9250 |
1162 |
1268 |
Nov-03 |
- |
2769 |
16-Feb-29 |
9251 |
1163 |
1592 |
Sep-12 |
- |
2834 |
16-Feb-29 |
9252 |
1164 |
788 |
Dec-05 |
1885 |
2885 |
16-Feb-29 |
9253 |
1165 |
335 |
Dec-02 |
1660 |
2849 |
16-Feb-29 |
9254 |
1166 |
730 |
Jul-03 |
1855 |
2880 |
16-Feb-29 |
9255 |
1167 |
1260 |
Jul-03 |
- |
2761 |
9-Jul-30 |
9297 |
1188 |
Coaches
for conversion into 10-compartment Trailer Thirds for Trailer Sets were drawn
from a large batch of 8-compartment Thirds built at Eastleigh between 1894 and
1902, along with a few from a batch of 8‑compartment Second /Third
composites (some of these having originally had four second and four third
compartments) with the seconds at one end, whilst others had the four seconds
in the centre of the coach with two thirds at each end.
The
four vehicles of this type converted for use in Trailer Sets were all of the first type. These Composites were to an identical
layout to the full thirds, the only difference being that the seating had side
and a centre armrests dividing it into four seats
across, and had been subsequently downgraded to all-third between 1918 and 1920
with the seating altered to five aside by removal of these armrests.
Virtually
all of these coaches were delivered fitted with gas
lighting which they retained until conversion to electric trailers, but some of
the later built ones had electric lighting from new, whilst all were fitted
with steam heating between 1908 and 1913. They were mounted on wooden
underframes with steel flitch plates along the solebars.
Most
had been renumbered by the LSWR (some of those delivered as composites more
than once, all being downgraded to Thirds between 1918 and 1920), and all were
renumbered again by the SR, though the process of renumbering was slow as
vehicles were only done during major body overhauls involving complete
repainting. The SR diagram number for these vehicles in loco-hauled format was
12.
During
conversion at Eastleigh, most retained their original external appearance with
side panelling with wooden overbeading. However, the
last two batches converted were repanelled with flush steel panelling giving a
much smoother external appearance. Two new matching compartments were added
during conversion to bring them up to 62' 0" long, now with ten
compartments and seating one hundred third-class.
Some
of the new underframes were fitted with a rubbing plate (diagram no.731) whilst
others had the centre-buffer (diagram no.732) at the inner end of the set.
TT 9298 was slightly non-standard as the body was mounted onto a former
‘Continental’ 62’ 0” underframe built at Ashford October 193 for First 7372,
this coach having its body destroyed by fire at Dover Marine in July 1935. As a
result, it was allocated diagram number no. 739 which was amended to 743 when
coach formed into 4 SUB unit no.4176.
The
following table lists these vehicles in their final electric stock number
series, with their original numbers and construction dates, type of lighting
when new (G = gas, E = electric), their second LSWR number where applicable,
their new SR number, the date the vehicle was withdrawn for conversion, the new
electric stock number, the initial set allocation of the vehicle, diagram
number No. and intermediate coupling type (RP = rubbing plate, CB = centre
buffer).
LSWR |
New |
Lamps |
LSWR |
SR |
Date |
Electric |
Set |
Diag. |
Coupling |
764 22 |
Feb-00 |
G |
2903 |
541 |
Dec-35 |
9078 22 |
1078 |
732 |
CB |
86 |
Sep-00 |
G |
- |
193 |
Sep-34 |
9168 |
1195 |
731 |
RP |
1314 |
Dec-00 |
G |
175 |
236 |
Sep-34 |
9169 |
1195 |
732 |
CB |
39 |
Nov-95 |
G |
- |
176 |
Oct-34 |
9170 |
1196 |
731 |
RP |
1103 |
Sep-95 |
G |
460 |
446 |
Oct-34 |
9171 |
1196 |
732 |
CB |
1311 |
Dec-00 |
G |
179 |
239 |
Oct-34 |
9172 |
1197 |
731 |
RP |
1309 |
Dec-00 |
G |
186 |
243 |
Oct-34 |
9173 |
1197 |
732 |
CB |
386 |
Jun-95 |
G |
- |
401 |
Oct-34 |
9174 |
1198 |
731 |
RP |
44 |
Dec-96 |
G |
- |
180 |
Oct-34 |
9175 |
1198 |
732 |
CB |
1090 |
Jul-95 |
G |
502 |
474 |
Jul-35 |
9176 |
1043 |
732 |
CB |
430 |
Jun-97 |
G |
- |
426 |
Jul-35 |
9177 |
1044 |
731 |
RP |
182 |
Jun-96 |
G |
- |
242 |
Jul-35 |
9178 |
1045 |
732 |
CB |
251 |
Dec-96 |
G |
- |
293 |
Jul-35 |
9179 |
1046 |
731 |
RP |
1108 |
Jan-96 |
G |
455 |
441 |
Jul-35 |
9180 |
1048 |
732 |
CB |
1307 |
Dec-00 |
G |
189 |
246 |
Jul-35 |
9181 |
1047 |
731 |
RP |
395 |
Jun-96 |
G |
- |
407 |
Jul-35 |
9182 |
1049 |
732 |
CB |
393 |
Dec-98 |
G |
- |
405 |
Jul-35 |
9183 |
1050 |
731 |
RP |
188 |
Sep-00 |
G |
- |
245 |
Jul-35 |
9184 |
1111 |
732 |
CB |
255 |
Dec-95 |
G |
- |
297 |
Jul-35 |
9185 |
1112 |
731 |
RP |
516 |
Oct-99 |
G |
- |
484 |
Aug-35 |
9186 |
1113 |
732 |
CB |
234 |
May-95 |
G |
- |
278 |
Aug-35 |
9187 |
1097 |
731 |
RP |
1148 |
Aug-97 |
G |
342 |
365 |
Aug-35 |
9188 |
1064 |
732 |
CB |
751 24 |
Feb-00 |
G |
2890 |
528 |
Aug-35 |
9189 |
1092 |
731 |
RP |
1085 |
Jul-95 |
G |
518 |
486 |
Sep-35 |
9190 |
1071 |
732 |
CB |
378 |
Dec-95 |
G |
- |
395 |
Sep-35 |
9191 |
1070 |
731 |
RP |
135 |
Dec-96 |
G |
- |
214 |
Nov-35 |
9192 |
1042 |
732 |
CB |
227 |
Jun-98 |
G |
- |
274 |
Nov-35 |
9193 |
1041 |
732 |
CB |
235 |
Dec-96 |
G |
- |
279 |
Nov-35 |
9194 |
1059 |
732 |
CB |
1159 |
Aug-97 |
G |
322 |
348 |
Nov-35 |
9195 |
1040 |
731 |
RP |
1156 |
Aug-97 |
G |
329 |
354 |
Nov-35 |
9196 |
1096 |
731 |
RP |
363 |
Dec-98 |
G |
- |
381 |
Nov-35 |
9197 |
1039 |
731 |
RP |
366 |
Nov-99 |
G |
- |
384 |
Nov-35 |
9198 |
1055 |
732 |
CB |
1102 |
Sep-95 |
G |
461 |
447 |
Nov-35 |
9199 |
1073 |
731 |
RP |
1083 |
Jul-95 |
G |
526 |
490 |
Jul-36 |
9200 |
1038 |
732 |
CB |
78 |
Nov-95 |
G |
- |
191 |
Jul-36 |
9201 |
1072 |
731 |
RP |
1316 |
Dec-00 |
G |
168 |
233 |
Feb-37 |
9202 |
1118 |
732 |
CB |
1110 |
Feb-96 |
G |
450 |
439 |
Mar-37 |
9203 |
1119 |
731 |
RP |
381 |
May-98 |
G |
- |
397 |
Mar-37 |
9204 |
1120 |
732 |
CB |
1163 |
Aug-97 |
G |
316 |
343 |
Mar-37 |
9205 |
1199 |
731 |
RP |
154 |
May-98 |
G |
- |
222 |
Mar-37 |
9206 |
1068 |
732 |
CB |
749 25 |
Feb-00 |
G |
2888 |
526 |
Apr-37 |
9207 |
1067 |
731 |
RP |
747 26 |
Sep-99 |
G |
2886 |
524 |
Apr-37 |
9208 |
1103 |
731 |
RP |
1306 |
Dec-00 |
G |
194 |
249 |
Aug-37 |
9298 |
1098 |
739 |
CB |
1104 |
Sep-95 |
G |
459 |
445 |
Jul-37 |
9299 |
998 |
732 |
CB |
503 |
Jun-98 |
G |
- |
475 |
Jul-37 |
9300 |
999 |
731 |
RP |
Footnotes |
|
22 |
Delivered as
composite, third LSWR number 914 also carried. |
23 |
Replacement
for original vehicle. |
24 |
Delivered as
composite, third LSWR number 901 also carried. |
25 |
Delivered as
composite, third LSWR number 899 also carried. |
26 |
Delivered as composite,
third LSWR number 897 also carried. |
Flush-panelled
coaches after conversion
LSWR |
New |
Lights |
LSWR |
SR |
Date |
Electric |
Set |
Diag. |
Coupling |
1046 |
Oct-99 |
G |
571 |
506 |
Jul-37 |
9825 |
1000 |
732 |
CB |
124 |
Dec-96 |
G |
- |
206 |
Jul-37 |
9826 |
1200 |
731 |
RP |
1107 |
Jan-96 |
G |
456 |
442 |
Sep-37 |
9827 |
1081 |
731 |
RP |
404 |
Jun-97 |
G |
- |
411 |
Sep-37 |
9828 |
1084 |
732 |
CB |
1111 |
Feb-96 |
G |
439 |
433 |
Sep-37 |
9829 |
1095 |
732 |
CB |
261 |
Dec-02 |
E |
- |
302 |
Sep-37 |
9830 |
1085 |
731 |
RP |
487 |
Sep-00 |
G |
- |
463 |
Jan-38 |
10401 |
1093 |
731 |
RP |
155 |
Jun-98 |
G |
- |
223 |
Jan-38 |
10402 |
994 |
732 |
CB |
398 |
Jun-97 |
G |
- |
408 |
Feb-38 |
10403 |
993 |
731 |
RP |
134 |
Dec-96 |
G |
- |
213 |
Feb-38 |
10404 |
1090 |
732 |
CB |
520 |
Jun-98 |
G |
- |
487 |
Feb-38 |
10405 |
1108 |
732 |
CB |
743 27 |
Sep-99 |
G |
2882 |
520 |
Feb-38 |
10406 |
997 |
731 |
RP |
435 |
Dec-96 |
G |
- |
431 |
Feb-38 |
10407 |
1099 |
731 |
RP |
1320 |
Dec-00 |
G |
158 |
226 |
Mar-38 |
10408 |
1051 |
731 |
RP |
1244 |
Mar-00 |
G |
246 |
288 |
Feb-38 |
10409 |
995 |
732 |
CB |
136 |
Dec-96 |
G |
- |
215 |
Mar-38 |
10410 |
991 |
731 |
RP |
195 |
Dec-96 |
G |
- |
250 |
Mar-38 |
10411 |
989 |
732 |
CB |
1236 |
Mar-00 |
E |
267 |
307 |
Mar-38 |
10412 |
1082 |
732 |
CB |
1041 |
Dec-98 |
E |
575 |
509 |
Apr-38 |
10413 |
992 |
732 |
CB |
1055 |
Oct-98 |
E |
562 |
502 |
Apr-38 |
10414 |
1086 |
731 |
RP |
1091 |
Jul-95 |
G |
491 |
467 |
Apr-38 |
10415 |
996 |
731 |
RP |
1239 |
Apr-00 |
E |
260 |
301 |
Apr-38 |
10416 |
1104 |
732 |
CB |
224 |
Jun-95 |
G |
- |
272 |
May-38 |
10417 |
990 |
732 |
CB |
1318 |
Dec-00 |
G |
163 |
230 |
May-38 |
10418 |
1061 |
731 |
RP |
Footnote |
|
27 |
Delivered as
composite, third LSWR number 893 also carried. |
Ex.
SECR Coaches
The
ex. SECR coaches used in Central Section sets 1121-1167 and a subsequent
batch 1188-1194 are known, these coaches being converted for Trailer Set use at
Ashford works from a batch of fifty five 46' long
8‑compartment thirds constructed between 1900 and 1907. These vehicles
seated eighty, the compartment widths being 5' 7½" and were
49' 11" long over buffers. The vehicles were constructed in three
batches, ten being built by Metropolitan Railway Carriage & Wagon Co. in
1900, a larger batch of thirty‑five by Oldbury Railway Carriage &
Wagon Co. in 1901 and a further twenty by the SECR itself at Ashford in 1906/7.
Bogie centres were at 31' 0" and the underframes were of composite
steel/wood construction, there being detail differences in these between the
three batches.
All
were new with electric lighting and vacuum brakes, the MRC&W and the first
twenty‑four of the ORC&W batches were also Westinghouse air‑piped,
though this was removed from most of them by 1920. Coaches were all fitted with
steam heating between 1911 and 1916. These coaches were all renumbered by the
SR and were allocated the diagram number no. 46.
Prior
to the formation of the SR, these coaches had been earmarked by the SECR as
possible conversions to electric multiple unit vehicles and on formation of the
SR, all but six of them were allocated numbers (8999-9057) in the ‘electric’
series. However, the adoption of the LSWR system of electrification in the
early years of the SR electrification programme led to them not being included
at this stage and they were then allocated further numbers in the ‘steam’
series, though three coaches did carry their intended ‘electric’ numbers, one
being renumbered back into the ‘steam’ series, the other two retaining theirs.
Not all coaches were renumbered before their conversion to Trailer Set
vehicles, retaining their SECR numbers until conversion. Those never renumbered
have their intended numbers shewn in brackets.
The
large increase in electric stock required for the Central Section schemes
in 1928 led to these vehicles again being considered suitable for use as
electric stock, and fifty‑four were subsequently converted at Ashford
works for use in Trailer Sets, this work involving the fitting of Westinghouse
air brakes and electric heating and the provision of control jumpers. The
coaches were then close coupled with an ex. LSWR 11‑compartment coach to
form Trailer Sets 1121-1167 and 1188 during 1928 /1929, with additional sets
1189-1194 added in 1931. These conversions were to H.O. number 214 (1121-1167)
or H.O. 516 (1188) and H.O. 585 (1189-1194), all being allocated the
new diagram number no. 725. All this batch of conversions were fitted with a
central buffer at what became the inner end of the set.
The
following table lists these vehicles in their final electric stock number
series, with their original numbers and construction dates, builder (MCW for
Metropolitan, OCW for Oldbury and AFD for Ashford) their SR ‘steam’ number and
where applicable, their first SR ‘electric’ number, the date the vehicle was
withdrawn for conversion, the new electric stock number
and the initial set allocation of the vehicle.
SECR |
New |
Builder |
1st SR |
SR steam |
Date |
Electric |
Set |
3462 |
Feb-01 |
OCW |
- |
(1029) |
17-Mar-28 |
8975 |
1121 |
2307 |
Mar-00 |
MCW |
- |
1013 |
17-Mar-28 |
8976 |
1122 |
708 |
Dec-06 |
AFD |
- |
1003 |
17-Mar-28 |
8977 |
1123 |
713 |
Feb-07 |
AFD |
9012 |
(1008) |
17-Mar-28 |
8978 |
1124 |
3454 |
Jan-01 |
OCW |
- |
1021 |
17-Mar-28 |
8979 |
1125 |
3461 |
Feb-01 |
OCW |
- |
1028 |
14-Apr-28 |
8980 |
1126 |
2308 |
Mar-00 |
MCW |
- |
1014 |
14-Apr-28 |
8981 |
1127 |
3485 |
Dec-01 |
OCW |
- |
1051 |
21-Apr-28 |
8982 |
1128 |
698 |
Aug-06 |
AFD |
- |
996 |
28-Apr-28 |
8983 |
1129 |
712 |
Feb-07 |
AFD |
- |
1007 |
12-May-28 |
8984 |
1130 |
3457 |
Jan-01 |
OCW |
- |
1024 |
19-May-28 |
8985 |
1131 |
2314 |
Jul-00 |
MCW |
9023 |
(1019) |
26-May-28 |
8986 |
1132 |
3465 |
May-01 |
OCW |
- |
(1032) |
26-May-28 |
8987 |
1133 |
3459 |
Jan-01 |
OCW |
- |
1026 |
26-May-28 |
8988 |
1134 |
3456 |
Jan-01 |
OCW |
- |
1023 |
26-May-28 |
8989 |
1135 |
3472 |
May-01 |
OCW |
- |
1039 |
26-May-28 |
8990 |
1136 |
3463 |
May-01 |
OCW |
- |
(1030) |
28-Apr-28 |
8991 |
1137 |
2310 |
Apr-00 |
MCW |
- |
1015 |
14-Apr-28 |
8992 |
1138 |
2312 |
Jul-00 |
MCW |
- |
1017 |
28-Apr-28 |
9883 |
1139 |
700 |
Aug-06 |
AFD |
- |
(998) |
12-May-28 |
8994 |
1140 |
709 |
Dec-06 |
AFD |
- |
(1004) |
12-May-28 |
8995 |
1141 |
3464 |
May-01 |
OCW |
- |
(1031) |
19-May-28 |
8996 |
1142 |
2313 |
Jul-00 |
MCW |
- |
1018 |
19-May-28 |
8997 |
1143 |
706 |
Oct-06 |
AFD |
- |
(1002) |
17-Apr-28 |
8998 |
1144 |
3476 |
Jun-01 |
OCW |
- |
1042 |
28-Apr-28 |
9133 |
1145 |
3482 |
Oct-01 |
OCW |
- |
(1048) |
Nov-28 |
9134 |
1146 |
3471 |
Apr-01 |
OCW |
- |
1038 |
Nov-28 |
9135 |
1147 |
699 |
Aug-06 |
AFD |
- |
(997) |
19-Jan-29 |
9136 |
1148 |
704 |
Oct-06 |
AFD |
- |
(1000) |
Feb-29 |
9137 |
1149 |
3466 |
Mar-01 |
OCW |
- |
(1033) |
16-Jan-29 |
9138 |
1150 |
3467 |
Mar-01 |
OCW |
- |
1034 |
16-Jan-29 |
9139 |
1151 |
3468 |
Mar-01 |
OCW |
- |
1035 |
16-Jan-29 |
9140 |
1152 |
2311 |
May-00 |
MCW |
- |
(1016) |
Mar-29 |
9141 |
1153 |
3480 |
Oct-01 |
OCW |
- |
(1046) |
Mar-29 |
9142 |
1154 |
3481 |
Oct-01 |
OCW |
- |
(1047) |
Mar-29 |
9143 |
1155 |
714 |
Feb-07 |
AFD |
- |
1009 |
16-Feb-29 |
9144 |
1156 |
3479 |
Sep-01 |
OCW |
- |
1045 |
16-Feb-29 |
9145 |
1157 |
3475 |
Jun-01 |
OCW |
- |
1041 |
9-Feb-29 |
9146 |
1158 |
705 |
Oct-06 |
AFD |
- |
1001 |
9-Feb-29 |
9147 |
1159 |
3460 |
May-01 |
OCW |
- |
1027 |
9-Feb-29 |
9148 |
1160 |
3470 |
Mar-01 |
OCW |
- |
1037 |
16-Jan-29 |
9149 |
1161 |
702 |
Oct-06 |
AFD |
- |
999 |
9-Feb-29 |
9150 |
1162 |
711 |
Dec-06 |
AFD |
- |
1006 |
16-Feb-29 |
9151 |
1163 |
3469 |
May-01 |
OCW |
- |
(1036) |
16-Feb-29 |
9152 |
1164 |
710 |
Dec-06 |
AFD |
- |
1005 |
16-Feb-29 |
9153 |
1165 |
3484 |
Nov-01 |
OCW |
- |
1050 |
16-Feb-29 |
9154 |
1166 |
3487 |
Dec-01 |
OCW |
- |
1053 |
16-Feb-29 |
9155 |
1167 |
3453 |
Dec-00 |
OCW |
- |
1020 |
Feb-31 |
9156 |
1189 |
3455 |
Jan-01 |
OCW |
- |
1022 |
Feb-31 |
9158 |
1190 |
715 |
Feb-07 |
AFD |
- |
1010 |
Feb-31 |
9160 |
1191 |
2306 |
Mar-00 |
MCW |
- |
1012 |
Feb-31 |
9162 |
1192 |
3458 |
Jan-01 |
OCW |
9029 |
1025 |
Mar-31 |
9164 |
1193 |
3474 |
May-01 |
OCW |
- |
1040 |
Mar-31 |
9166 |
1194 |
2305 |
Mar-00 |
MCW |
- |
1011 |
16-Jul-30 |
9296 |
1188 |
(2511) |
Oct-23 |
AFD |
- |
7372 |
Aug-37 |
9298 28 |
1098 |
Footnote |
|
28 |
Only
underframe used in conversion with LSWR body mounted onto it. |
Ex.
LBSCR Coaches
The ex. LBSCR coaches used in
Trailer Sets are known, these being used in the 1925 ‘Guildford & Dorking’
sets 1025-1037, and the 1925 /1926 ‘Eastern Section’ sets 1051-1117, with
subsequent conversions for the 1928 /1929 ‘Central Section’ sets
1168-1187. The coaches were taken from three main sources, 9‑compartment
Thirds, either built new or converted from six‑wheeled bodies,
conversions of former ‘AC’ electric vehicles modified and rebuilt for ‘DC’ use,
and finally some further 9‑compartment Thirds from former bogie-block
suburban sets, these being slightly shorter than the 9‑compartment
coaches converted earlier from loose coaches.
A total of forty‑three
‘Rebuilt Thirds’ were rebuilt at Lancing in 1910 /1911 from 5‑compartment
six-wheelers built between 1891 and 1897, their bodies being remounted onto a
then standard LBSCR 54' steel underframe. A further four new matching
compartments were then built to make up the 9‑compartment Third. The
compartments of the original vehicle were 5' 10¼" wide whilst the new
ones were 5' 11" between partitions. The six-wheelers had been gas
lit and the new compartments were similarly equipped. Overall, these coaches
now seated 90 and weighed about 23 tons. They were 54' long over bodywork and
8' 0" wide and were given the LBSCR diagram number No. 171, this
becoming SR diagram number No. 72.
One prototype conversion at
Brighton in 1907 utilised the bodies of two six‑wheelers, 495 & 558,
the new coach taking the number 495. All these coaches were allocated ‘steam’
numbers by the SR but only six actually had these
applied during overhaul in 1924 before the decision was taken to use them all
as electric Trailer Set vehicles. Conversion to electric Trailer Set coaches
took place at Lancing works in 1925 under H.O. order number 53 and involved
fitting the vehicles with electric lighting and heating and provision of jumper
connections at vehicle ends where these became the outer end of the Trailer
Set.
The coaches already had
Westinghouse air brakes so these did not require
alteration, nor were the buffing arrangements changed as the Trailer Sets that
these coaches were formed into remained loose coupled. These coaches were given
the electric diagram number No. 724 and formed into sets 1051-1109 randomly
after conversion, some being paired, whilst others were coupled to other
similarly converted vehicles from purpose built 9‑compartment Thirds.
A large batch of one‑hundred
& five 9‑compartment Thirds were built for the LBSCR, the first fifty
being ordered from the Metropolitan Amalgamated Railway Carriage & Wagon
Co. Ltd of Birmingham, these being delivered in 1911. A further twenty‑five
were then built at Lancing during 1912 /1913 and a final batch of thirty, again
from Lancing in 1921. These coaches were similar dimensionally to the ‘Rebuilt
Thirds’ mentioned above, but all their compartments were of a standard width of
5' 10½" and they weighed 24 tons 2 cwt.
These coaches were equipped from
new with electric lighting, though a few did not have dynamos. They were given
the LBSCR diagram number No. 198, later SR diagram number No. 71. These coaches
were allocated ‘steam’ numbers in the range 2186-2290 by the SR but only 23
overhauled during 1924 actually carried them, the
remainder gaining their ‘electric’ numbers directly during conversion.
Once again conversion to
electric working took place at Lancing where electric heating was installed and jumper connection boxes added at set ends. The
1921 built batch were converted first in 1925 for H.O. order number 67 and used
in ‘Guildford & Dorking’ sets 1025-1037 being allocated to these in
numbered pairs. Later conversions in 1925 /1926 for the ‘Eastern Section’
sets as part of H.O. order number 53 saw these coaches allocated to sets
1051-1110 & 1114 in random order and some were paired, others coupled to
the ‘Rebuilt Thirds’ also being converted at this time. These coaches were
allocated the diagram number No. 723.
As conversion of both types of 9‑compartment
Thirds were running side by side, the converted coaches were given intermixed
numbers in the range 8999-9120 as they were dealt with.
Coach numbers 9121-9132 were converted
in 1926 at Lancing works to order number H.O. 136 for additional sets for the
1051-1117 batch of Trailer Sets for the ‘Eastern Section’ electrification.
These coaches started life as 2nd /3rd Composites formed
in bogie-block suburban carriage sets, these vehicles being close coupled with
a centre buffer and rubbing plate arrangement. They were mounted on 50' steel
underframes and had 9‑compartments, four former second-class at
5' 8½" wide and five former third class at 5' 2½" wide.
These coaches weighed 21 tons (some weighed 22 tons when fitted with a dynamo)
all having been built with electric lighting.
These coaches had been
constructed either at Brighton or by the Birmingham Railway Carriage &
Wagon Co. Ltd between 1898 and 1901. All were downgraded to all third class in
1911 and renumbered by the LBSCR into the Third number series, now being to
diagram number No. 157.
Some of the bogie-block sets
were disbanded from 1911 and others altered and fitted with long buffers to
make them suitable for main line use, and all the coaches later selected for
conversion to electric Trailer Set vehicles came from this type. All these
thirds were renumbered by the SR being allocated numbers in the ‘steam’ series,
but only two were actually renumbered thus during
1924, the remainder gaining their new ‘electric’ numbers directly during
conversion. The SR allocated these vehicles diagram number No. 68, and this was
amended into the electric series as 726 on conversion. These slightly shorter
coaches were eventually formed into sets 1111-1113 & 1115-1117.
When the Trailer Sets which
included many these coaches were reformed and close coupled from late 1934, the
diagram numbers of the vehicles concerned were amended to reflect whether they
were then fitted with either a rubbing plate or a centre buffer as follows:
Original diagram number |
New diagram number |
New diagram number |
723 |
736 |
735 |
724 |
737 |
738 |
726 |
734 |
733 |
The following table lists all
these 9‑compartment Third coaches in their final electric coach number
order, with their original numbers and construction dates, builder (BRCW for
Birmingham RCW, BTN for Brighton, MCW for Metropolitan RCW and LANC for
Lancing), the rebuilding date where six-wheelers had been rebuilt as bogie
coaches, (all these were done at Lancing except the prototype at Brighton), the
second LBSCR number when composites were downgraded to thirds, the SR ‘steam’
number where carried, the date the coach was converted for electric use (all
conversions at Lancing), the new electric coach number, the set number the
coach was initially formed into and the electric diagram number allocated.
At this time the LBSCR only
recorded their new coaches every six months hence all the ‘New Dates’ are
either Jun or Dec prefixed, actual building dates were more varied.
LBSCR |
New |
Builder |
Rebuilt |
LBSCR |
SR |
Date |
Electric |
Set |
Diag. |
4 |
Jun-21 |
LANC |
- |
- |
- |
Apr-25 |
8949 |
1025 |
723 |
6 |
Jun-21 |
LANC |
- |
- |
- |
Apr-25 |
8950 |
1025 |
723 |
7 |
Dec-21 |
LANC |
- |
- |
2190 |
Apr-25 |
8951 |
1026 |
723 |
8 |
Dec-21 |
LANC |
- |
- |
- |
Apr-25 |
8952 |
1026 |
723 |
9 |
Dec-21 |
LANC |
- |
- |
- |
Apr-25 |
8953 |
1027 |
723 |
10 |
Dec-21 |
LANC |
- |
- |
2193 |
Apr-25 |
8954 |
1027 |
723 |
17 |
Dec-21 |
LANC |
- |
- |
- |
Apr-25 |
8955 |
1028 |
723 |
21 |
Dec-21 |
LANC |
- |
- |
- |
Apr-25 |
8956 |
1028 |
723 |
22 |
Dec-21 |
LANC |
- |
- |
- |
Apr-25 |
8957 |
1029 |
723 |
32 |
Dec-21 |
LANC |
- |
- |
- |
Apr-25 |
8958 |
1029 |
723 |
39 |
Dec-21 |
LANC |
- |
- |
- |
Apr-25 |
8959 |
1030 |
723 |
40 |
Dec-21 |
LANC |
- |
- |
- |
Apr-25 |
8660 |
1030 |
723 |
42 |
Dec-21 |
LANC |
- |
- |
- |
Apr-25 |
8961 |
1031 |
723 |
44 |
Dec-21 |
LANC |
- |
- |
- |
Apr-25 |
8962 |
1031 |
723 |
49 |
Dec-21 |
LANC |
- |
- |
- |
Apr-25 |
8963 |
1032 |
723 |
54 |
Dec-21 |
LANC |
- |
- |
- |
Apr-25 |
8964 |
1032 |
723 |
60 |
Dec-21 |
LANC |
- |
- |
- |
Apr-25 |
8965 |
1033 |
723 |
64 |
Dec-21 |
LANC |
- |
- |
- |
May-25 |
8966 |
1033 |
723 |
66 |
Dec-21 |
LANC |
- |
- |
- |
May-25 |
8967 |
1034 |
723 |
67 |
Dec-21 |
LANC |
- |
- |
2213 |
May-25 |
8968 |
1034 |
723 |
71 |
Dec-21 |
LANC |
- |
- |
- |
May-25 |
8969 |
1035 |
723 |
73 |
Dec-21 |
LANC |
- |
- |
- |
Apr-25 |
8970 |
1035 |
723 |
74 |
Dec-21 |
LANC |
- |
- |
- |
Apr-25 |
8971 |
1036 |
723 |
77 |
Dec-21 |
LANC |
- |
- |
- |
May-25 |
8972 |
1036 |
723 |
78 |
Dec-21 |
LANC |
- |
- |
- |
Apr-25 |
8973 |
1037 |
723 |
81 |
Dec-21 |
LANC |
- |
- |
- |
Apr-25 |
8974 |
1037 |
723 |
1 |
Jun-21 |
LANC |
- |
- |
- |
Jun-25 |
8999 |
1051 |
723 |
515 |
Jun-94 |
BTN |
Dec-10 |
- |
- |
Jun-25 |
9000 |
1059 |
724 |
5 |
Dec-21 |
LANC |
- |
- |
- |
Jun-25 |
9001 |
1052 |
723 |
522 |
Jun-91 |
BTN |
Dec-10 |
- |
- |
Jun-25 |
9002 |
1052 |
724 |
546 |
Jun-95 |
BTN |
Dec-10 |
- |
- |
Jun-25 |
9003 |
1060 |
724 |
551 |
Dec-92 |
BTN |
Dec-10 |
- |
- |
Jun-25 |
9004 |
1066 |
724 |
555 |
Jun-93 |
BTN |
Dec-10 |
- |
- |
Jun-25 |
9005 |
1058 |
724 |
557 |
Jun-93 |
BTN |
Jun-10 |
- |
- |
Jun-25 |
9006 |
1057 |
724 |
561 |
Jun-93 |
BTN |
Dec-10 |
- |
- |
Jun-25 |
9007 |
1066 |
724 |
562 |
Jun-93 |
BTN |
Dec-10 |
- |
- |
Jun-25 |
9008 |
1057 |
724 |
571 |
Jun-93 |
BTN |
Dec-10 |
- |
- |
Jun-25 |
9009 |
1061 |
724 |
26 |
Dec-12 |
LANC |
- |
- |
- |
Jun-25 |
9010 |
1065 |
723 |
31 |
Dec-12 |
LANC |
- |
- |
2198 |
Jul-25 |
9011 |
1056 |
723 |
1156 |
Jun-95 |
BTN |
Jun-10 |
- |
2325 |
Jul-25 |
9012 |
1059 |
724 |
36 |
Dec-21 |
LANC |
- |
- |
- |
Jun-25 |
9013 |
1053 |
723 |
38 |
Dec-21 |
LANC |
- |
- |
- |
Jun-25 |
9014 |
1056 |
723 |
1166 |
Jun-95 |
BTN |
Jun-10 |
- |
- |
Jul-25 |
9015 |
1063 |
724 |
1167 |
Jun-95 |
BTN |
Jun-10 |
- |
- |
Jul-25 |
9016 |
1063 |
724 |
1168 |
Jun-95 |
BTN |
Jun-10 |
- |
- |
Jul-25 |
9017 |
1064 |
724 |
1169 |
Jun-95 |
BTN |
Jun-10 |
- |
- |
Jul-25 |
9018 |
1072 |
724 |
1174 |
Jun-95 |
BTN |
Jun-10 |
- |
- |
Aug-25 |
9019 |
1067 |
724 |
51 |
Dec-12 |
LANC |
- |
- |
2207 |
Jul-25 |
9020 |
1072 |
723 |
1247 |
Jun-97 |
BTN |
Jun-10 |
- |
- |
Aug-25 |
9021 |
1070 |
724 |
56 |
Dec-12 |
LANC |
- |
- |
- |
Jul-25 |
9022 |
1068 |
723 |
1251 |
Dec-97 |
BTN |
Jun-11 |
- |
- |
Sep-25 |
9023 |
1079 |
724 |
1253 |
Dec-97 |
BTN |
Jun-11 |
- |
- |
Oct-25 |
9024 |
1084 |
724 |
1380 |
Jun-11 |
MCW |
- |
- |
2270 |
Jan-26 |
9025 |
1107 |
723 |
1381 |
Jun-11 |
MCW |
- |
- |
2271 |
Jan-26 |
9026 |
1107 |
723 |
70 |
Dec-12 |
LANC |
- |
- |
- |
Oct-25 |
9027 |
1087 |
723 |
1382 |
Jun-11 |
MCW |
- |
- |
- |
Dec-25 |
9028 |
1097 |
723 |
1383 |
Jun-11 |
MCW |
- |
- |
- |
Dec-25 |
9029 |
1100 |
723 |
1384 |
Jun-11 |
MCW |
- |
- |
- |
Dec-25 |
9030 |
1103 |
723 |
1385 |
Jun-11 |
MCW |
- |
- |
- |
Dec-25 |
9031 |
1102 |
723 |
1386 |
Jun-11 |
MCW |
- |
- |
- |
Jan-26 |
9032 |
1109 |
723 |
1387 |
Jun-11 |
MCW |
- |
- |
- |
Jan-26 |
9033 |
1104 |
723 |
86 |
Dec-12 |
LANC |
- |
- |
2221 |
Aug-25 |
9034 |
1073 |
723 |
330 |
Jun-95 |
BTN |
Dec-10 |
- |
- |
Oct-25 |
9035 |
1085 |
724 |
357 |
Dec-95 |
BTN |
Dec-10 |
- |
2292 |
Aug-25 |
9036 |
1071 |
724 |
360 |
Jun-95 |
BTN |
Dec-10 |
- |
2293 |
Oct-25 |
9037 |
1081 |
724 |
377 |
Dec-95 |
BTN |
Dec-10 |
- |
2294 |
Oct-25 |
9038 |
1086 |
724 |
388 |
Dec-95 |
BTN |
Dec-10 |
- |
- |
Oct-25 |
9039 |
1086 |
724 |
410 |
Dec-93 |
BTN |
Dec-10 |
- |
- |
Dec-25 |
9040 |
1089 |
724 |
413 |
Dec-93 |
BTN |
Jun-10 |
- |
- |
Oct-25 |
9041 |
1089 |
724 |
416 |
Dec-93 |
BTN |
Dec-10 |
- |
- |
Oct-25 |
9042 |
1091 |
724 |
418 |
Dec-93 |
BTN |
Jun-10 |
- |
- |
Oct-25 |
9043 |
1080 |
724 |
423 |
Dec-93 |
BTN |
Dec-10 |
- |
- |
Oct-25 |
9044 |
1087 |
724 |
424 |
Dec-93 |
BTN |
Dec-10 |
- |
- |
Dec-25 |
9045 |
1097 |
724 |
431 |
Dec-93 |
BTN |
Dec-10 |
- |
- |
Dec-25 |
9046 |
1098 |
724 |
436 |
Dec-93 |
BTN |
Dec-10 |
- |
2303 |
Dec-25 |
9047 |
1096 |
724 |
437 |
Jun-95 |
BTN |
Dec-10 |
- |
- |
May-25 |
9048 |
1054 |
724 |
438 |
Jun-95 |
BTN |
Dec-10 |
- |
- |
Dec-25 |
9049 |
1099 |
724 |
459 |
Jun-95 |
BTN |
Dec-10 |
- |
- |
Dec-25 |
9050 |
1108 |
724 |
460 |
Jun-96 |
BTN |
Dec-10 |
- |
- |
Dec-25 |
9051 |
1101 |
724 |
461 |
Jun-96 |
BTN |
Jun-10 |
- |
- |
May-25 |
9052 |
1055 |
724 |
465 |
Jun-94 |
BTN |
Dec-10 |
- |
- |
Sep-25 |
9053 |
1079 |
724 |
484 |
Jun-94 |
BTN |
Jun-10 |
- |
- |
Dec-25 |
9054 |
1108 |
724 |
488 |
Dec-92 |
BTN |
Jun-10 |
- |
2311 |
Dec-25 |
9055 |
1102 |
724 |
495 |
Dec-92 |
BTN |
Dec-07 29 |
- |
- |
May-25 |
9056 |
1054 |
724 |
501 |
Dec-91 |
BTN |
Jun-10 |
- |
- |
Dec-25 |
9057 |
1100 |
724 |
502 |
Dec-91 |
BTN |
Jun-10 |
- |
- |
Dec-25 |
9058 |
1104 |
724 |
503 |
Dec-91 |
BTN |
Jun-10 |
- |
- |
Sep-25 |
9059 |
1077 |
724 |
855 |
Dec-12 |
LANC |
- |
- |
- |
Jul-25 |
9060 |
1060 |
723 |
856 |
Dec-12 |
LANC |
- |
- |
- |
Jul-25 |
9061 |
1065 |
723 |
857 |
Dec-12 |
LANC |
- |
- |
- |
Jul-25 |
9062 |
1062 |
723 |
858 |
Dec-12 |
LANC |
- |
- |
- |
Jul-25 |
9063 |
1061 |
723 |
859 |
Dec-12 |
LANC |
- |
- |
- |
Jul-25 |
9064 |
1062 |
723 |
860 |
Dec-12 |
LANC |
- |
- |
- |
Jul-25 |
9065 |
1061 |
723 |
861 |
Dec-12 |
LANC |
- |
- |
- |
Jul-25 |
9066 |
1070 |
723 |
862 |
Dec-12 |
LANC |
- |
- |
- |
Jul-25 |
9067 |
1071 |
723 |
863 |
Dec-12 |
LANC |
- |
- |
- |
Jul-25 |
9068 |
1069 |
723 |
864 |
Dec-12 |
LANC |
- |
- |
2231 |
May-25 |
9069 |
1053 |
723 |
872 |
Jun-13 |
LANC |
- |
- |
2232 |
Jul-25 |
9070 |
1067 |
723 |
873 |
Jun-13 |
LANC |
- |
- |
- |
Jul-25 |
9071 |
1064 |
723 |
874 |
Jun-13 |
LANC |
- |
- |
- |
Jul-25 |
9072 |
1073 |
723 |
879 |
Jun-13 |
LANC |
- |
- |
- |
Jul-25 |
9073 |
1074 |
723 |
880 |
Jun-13 |
LANC |
- |
- |
- |
Oct-25 |
9074 |
1082 |
723 |
883 |
Jun-13 |
LANC |
- |
- |
- |
Oct-25 |
9075 |
1090 |
723 |
884 |
Jun-13 |
LANC |
- |
- |
- |
Aug-25 |
9076 |
1074 |
723 |
885 |
Jun-13 |
LANC |
- |
- |
- |
Aug-25 |
9077 |
1068 |
723 |
886 |
Jun-13 |
LANC |
- |
- |
- |
Sep-25 |
9078 |
1078 |
723 |
1351 |
Dec-10 |
MCW |
- |
- |
- |
Oct-25 |
9079 |
1083 |
723 |
1352 |
Jun-11 |
MCW |
- |
- |
- |
Sep-25 |
9080 |
1076 |
723 |
1353 |
Jun-11 |
MCW |
- |
- |
- |
Sep-25 |
9081 |
1075 |
723 |
1354 |
Jun-11 |
MCW |
- |
- |
- |
Sep-25 |
9082 |
1077 |
723 |
1355 |
Jun-11 |
MCW |
- |
- |
- |
Oct-25 |
9083 |
1088 |
723 |
1356 |
Jun-11 |
MCW |
- |
- |
- |
Sep-25 |
9084 |
1082 |
723 |
1357 |
Jun-11 |
MCW |
- |
- |
- |
Sep-25 |
9085 |
1080 |
723 |
1358 |
Jun-11 |
MCW |
- |
- |
- |
Oct-25 |
9086 |
1090 |
723 |
1359 |
Jun-11 |
MCW |
- |
- |
- |
Oct-25 |
9087 |
1091 |
723 |
1360 |
Jun-11 |
MCW |
- |
- |
- |
Nov-25 |
9088 |
1094 |
723 |
1361 |
Jun-11 |
MCW |
- |
- |
- |
Oct-25 |
9089 |
1083 |
723 |
1362 |
Jun-11 |
MCW |
- |
- |
- |
Sep-25 |
9090 |
1075 |
723 |
1363 |
Jun-11 |
MCW |
- |
- |
- |
Oct-25 |
9091 |
1085 |
723 |
1364 |
Jun-11 |
MCW |
- |
- |
- |
Sep-25 |
9092 |
1078 |
723 |
1365 |
Jun-11 |
MCW |
- |
- |
- |
Oct-25 |
9093 |
1092 |
723 |
1366 |
Jun-11 |
MCW |
- |
- |
2256 |
Sep-25 |
9094 |
1081 |
723 |
1367 |
Jun-11 |
MCW |
- |
- |
- |
Oct-25 |
9095 |
1084 |
723 |
1368 |
Jun-11 |
MCW |
- |
- |
- |
Oct-25 |
9096 |
1088 |
723 |
1369 |
Jun-11 |
MCW |
- |
- |
- |
Oct-25 |
9097 |
1092 |
723 |
1370 |
Jun-11 |
MCW |
- |
- |
- |
Nov-25 |
9098 |
1095 |
723 |
1371 |
Jun-11 |
MCW |
- |
- |
2261 |
Nov-25 |
9099 |
1095 |
723 |
1372 |
Jun-11 |
MCW |
- |
- |
- |
May-25 |
9100 |
1051 |
723 |
1373 |
Jun-11 |
MCW |
- |
- |
- |
Dec-25 |
9101 |
1099 |
723 |
1374 |
Jun-11 |
MCW |
- |
- |
2264 |
Nov-25 |
9102 |
1093 |
723 |
1375 |
Jun-11 |
MCW |
- |
- |
- |
Jul-25 |
9103 |
1058 |
723 |
1376 |
Jun-11 |
MCW |
- |
- |
2266 |
Nov-25 |
9104 |
1096 |
723 |
1377 |
Jun-11 |
MCW |
- |
- |
- |
Nov-25 |
9105 |
1094 |
723 |
1378 |
Jun-11 |
MCW |
- |
- |
2268 |
Nov-25 |
9106 |
1093 |
723 |
1379 |
Jun-11 |
MCW |
- |
- |
2269 |
Nov-25 |
9107 |
1098 |
723 |
1392 |
Jun-11 |
MCW |
- |
- |
2282 |
Sep-25 |
9108 |
1076 |
723 |
1393 |
Jun-11 |
MCW |
- |
- |
2283 |
Dec-25 |
9109 |
1103 |
723 |
1394 |
Jun-11 |
MCW |
- |
- |
- |
Dec-25 |
9110 |
1101 |
723 |
1395 |
Jun-11 |
MCW |
- |
- |
- |
Jan-26 |
9111 |
1106 |
723 |
1396 |
Jun-11 |
MCW |
- |
- |
- |
Jan-26 |
9112 |
1105 |
723 |
1397 |
Jun-11 |
MCW |
- |
- |
2287 |
Jan-26 |
9113 |
1105 |
723 |
1398 |
Jun-11 |
MCW |
- |
- |
- |
Jan-26 |
9114 |
1106 |
723 |
1399 |
Jun-11 |
MCW |
- |
- |
- |
May-25 |
9115 |
1055 |
723 |
1400 |
Jun-11 |
MCW |
- |
- |
2290 |
Jan-26 |
9116 |
1109 |
723 |
1388 |
Jun-11 |
MCW |
- |
- |
2278 |
Feb-26 |
9117 |
1114 |
723 |
1389 |
Jun-11 |
MCW |
- |
- |
- |
Feb-26 |
9118 |
1114 |
723 |
1390 |
Jun-11 |
MCW |
- |
- |
- |
Feb-26 |
9119 |
1110 |
723 |
1391 |
Jun-11 |
MCW |
- |
- |
- |
Feb-26 |
9120 |
1110 |
723 |
500 |
Jun-01 |
BTN |
- |
1531 |
(2121) |
Feb-26 |
9121 |
1111 |
726 |
499 |
Jun-01 |
BTN |
- |
1532 |
(2122) |
Feb-26 |
9122 |
1113 |
726 |
624 |
Dec-10 |
BRCW |
- |
1533 |
(2123) |
Feb-26 |
9123 |
1111 |
726 |
601 |
Dec-00 |
BRCW |
- |
1534 |
(2124) |
Mar-26 |
9124 |
1112 |
726 |
618 |
Jun-01 |
BRCW |
- |
1535 |
(2125) |
Mar-26 |
9125 |
1113 |
726 |
589 |
Jun-00 |
BRCW |
- |
1537 |
(2126) |
Mar-26 |
9126 |
1112 |
726 |
619 |
Jun-01 |
BRCW |
- |
1590 |
(2143) |
Apr-26 |
9127 |
1117 |
726 |
175 |
Jun-00 |
BTN |
- |
1688 |
(2158) |
Apr-26 |
9128 |
1116 |
726 |
85 |
Jun-99 |
BTN |
- |
1727 |
(2164) |
Feb-26 |
9129 |
1115 |
726 |
625 |
Dec-01 |
BRCW |
- |
1768 |
(2169) |
Apr-26 |
9130 |
1117 |
726 |
600 |
Dec-00 |
BRCW |
- |
1778 |
2171 |
Apr-26 |
9131 |
1116 |
726 |
95 |
Jun-00 |
BTN |
- |
1781 |
2172 |
Mar-26 |
9132 |
1115 |
726 |
Note |
|
Both former LBSCR Thirds 2121
& 2122 (under their SR numbers) are recorded as condemned at Lancing in
1931 /1932 and bodies broken-up, so the origins of electric trailers 9121
/9122 must have been different ! |
|
Footnote |
|
29 |
Coach converted
from two six-wheelers (495 & 558) at Brighton. |
A
further forty ex. LBSCR coaches were converted for use in Trailer Sets in
1929/30, all being converted from redundant ‘AC’ electric stock displaced by
the conversion of the ‘Central Section’ lines during 1928/9. These coaches
were altered at Lancing works into further 9‑compartment Trailer Thirds
and renumbered into the Trailer Set number series becoming coaches 9256-9295
and allocated in numbered pairs to sets 1168-1187, these sets then being used
for later stages of the Central Section conversion to DC.
Conversion
‘CP’ Motor Brake Thirds
The
bulk of the coaches used in Trailer Sets (thirty‑four) were converted
from former ‘CP’ Motor Brake Thirds, these being 7‑compartment vehicles
seating 70 with compartments 5' 11" wide. There was a driving cab and
guard's compartment at one end, above which were the bow collectors, the roof
being depressed over this area.
These
coaches were 57' 7" long over buffers with 54' 0" body
length and had the distinctive girder-trussed underframes first seen on the
‘SL’ stock. Overall width was 8' 0" as some of the tunnels on the
Crystal Palace lines had restricted clearances. Bogie centres were set at
37' 0" with all four axles motored with 150hp Winter Eichberg motors, and these coaches weighed
51 tons 6 cwt in motor coach form and were to LBSCR diagram
number number 282 which became SR diagram number
No. 676.
All
were built by the Metropolitan Amalgamated Railway Carriage & Wagon Co. Ltd
of Saltley, Birmingham, thirty in 1911 and a further
four added in 1912. These coaches were originally numbered 3231-3264 by the
LBSCR and as with all the ‘AC’ stock were not allocated to fixed unit
formations. All these coaches were allocated new numbers by the SR, between
8567-8600, most gaining these during overhauls at Lancing in the next few
years.
Conversion
to ‘DC’ Trailer Third coaches took place at Lancing and involved rebuilding the
former driver and guard's compartments as two matching third compartments, the
coaches then becoming 9‑compartment vehicles seating ninety. The two new
compartments were slightly narrower than the original nine at 5' 9"
wide and were located at the outer end of the set. The former motor bogies were
replaced by LBSCR type trailer bogies and in their new form these vehicles now
weighed 25 tons and were given the new diagram number 728
and renumbered again into the range 9256-9295.
Conversion
‘AC’ Driving Trailer Composites
The
remaining six vehicles required to complete this batch of forty coaches were
converted from former ‘AC’ Driving Trailer Composites, these coaches again
being to the same dimensions as the MBTs with 54' long bodies on rod-trussed
underframes, 57' 7" long over buffers with an overall width of
8' 0" and bogie centres at 37' 0". Two were taken from the
coaches built in 1911 to run with the ‘CP’ Motor Coaches, one being constructed
by Metropolitan, the other at Lancing.
They
consisted of a driver's compartment, five third class compartments
5' 10¼" wide and three first class compartments 6' 6¾"
wide. They weighed 24 tons and seated 24 first and 40 third and were to diagram
number 282 (SR 791).
The
remaining four came from subsequent batches of coaches built in 1914 /1915 at
Lancing, two becoming further ‘CP’ stock, whilst the other two did not enter
service as ‘AC’ stock until 1925, having been stored partly unfinished through
the war and then fitted with steam heaters and used temporarily as steam hauled
stock until 1924 when they were modified for use as AC driving trailers for the
Coulsdon & Wallington electrification. These coaches were similar
dimensionally to the 1911 pair but had four first class compartments
6' 6½" wide and four thirds 5' 8" wide and seated thirty-two
first and forty third. These were LBSCR diagram number 285 (diagram
number 100 when in use as steam stock) altered to 792 by the SR.
Conversion
work on these at Lancing works involved altering the former driver's
compartment to a 5-seat coupe compartment 4' 0¾" wide and downgrading
the first class compartments to third, these coaches
then seating 85 third. The two 1911 coaches gained the new diagram
number 729 whilst the remaining four became diagram number 730. These
sets were loose coupled with all the coaches retaining conventional side
buffers at both ends.
The
following table shows details of these coaches in their electric coach number
order, with their original LBSCR numbers, date constructed and builder details
(LANC for Lancing Works and MCW for Metropolitan), the SR ‘AC’ number where
carried, the date the coaches taken to Lancing for conversion, their new ‘DC’
numbers, the set they were initially allocated to and their new diagram
numbers.
LBSCR |
New |
Builder |
SR ‘AC’ |
Date |
SR ‘DC’ |
Set No. |
Diag. |
3246 |
Jun-11 |
MCW |
(8582) |
10-Jul-29 |
9256 |
1168 |
728 |
3261 |
Dec-12 |
MCW |
8597 |
10-Jul-29 |
9257 |
1168 |
728 |
3258 |
Dec-11 |
MCW |
8594 |
15-Jul-29 |
9258 |
1169 |
728 |
3236 |
Jun-11 |
MCW |
8572 |
15-Jul-29 |
9259 |
1169 |
728 |
3244 |
Jun-11 |
MCW |
8580 |
22-Jul-29 |
9260 |
1170 |
728 |
3249 |
Jun-11 |
MCW |
8585 |
22-Jul-29 |
9261 |
1170 |
728 |
3237 |
Jun-11 |
MCW |
8573 |
31-Jul-29 |
9262 |
1171 |
728 |
3245 |
Jun-11 |
MCW |
8581 |
31-Jul-29 |
9263 |
1171 |
728 |
3257 |
Jun-11 |
MCW |
8593 |
17-Aug-29 |
9264 |
1172 |
728 |
3232 |
Jun-11 |
MCW |
8568 |
17-Aug-29 |
9265 |
1172 |
728 |
3248 |
Jun-11 |
MCW |
8584 |
24-Aug-29 |
9266 |
1173 |
728 |
3234 |
Jun-11 |
MCW |
8570 |
24-Aug-29 |
9267 |
1173 |
728 |
3256 |
Jun-11 |
MCW |
8592 |
24-Aug-29 |
9268 |
1174 |
728 |
3239 |
Jun-11 |
MCW |
8575 |
24-Aug-29 |
9269 |
1174 |
728 |
3252 |
Jun-11 |
MCW |
8588 |
28-Aug-29 |
9270 |
1175 |
728 |
3241 |
Jun-11 |
MCW |
8577 |
28-Aug-29 |
9271 |
1175 |
728 |
3250 |
Jun-11 |
MCW |
8586 |
11-Sep-29 |
9272 |
1176 |
728 |
3253 |
Jun-11 |
MCW |
8589 |
11-Sep-29 |
9273 |
1176 |
728 |
3259 |
Dec-11 |
MCW |
8595 |
18-Sep-29 |
9274 |
1177 |
728 |
3240 |
Jun-11 |
MCW |
8576 |
18-Sep-29 |
9275 |
1177 |
728 |
3254 |
Jun-11 |
MCW |
8590 |
18-Sep-29 |
9276 |
1178 |
728 |
3255 |
Jun-11 |
MCW |
8591 |
18-Sep-29 |
9277 |
1178 |
728 |
3243 |
Jun-11 |
MCW |
8579 |
1-Jan-30 |
9278 |
1179 |
728 |
3262 |
Dec-12 |
MCW |
8598 |
1-Jan-30 |
9279 |
1179 |
728 |
3233 |
Jun-11 |
MCW |
8569 |
1-Jan-30 |
9280 |
1180 |
728 |
3260 |
Dec-11 |
MCW |
(8596) |
1-Jan-30 |
9281 |
1180 |
728 |
4092 |
Jan-21 |
LANC |
9908 |
26-Feb-30 |
9282 |
1181 |
730 |
3263 |
Dec-12 |
MCW |
8599 |
26-Feb-30 |
9283 |
1181 |
728 |
4017 |
Jun-11 |
MCW |
9841 |
26-Feb-30 |
9284 |
1182 |
730 |
3247 |
Jun-11 |
MCW |
8583 |
26-Feb-30 |
9285 |
1182 |
728 |
4032 |
Jun-11 |
LANC |
9856 |
26-Feb-30 |
9286 |
1183 |
729 |
3242 |
Jun-11 |
MCW |
8578 |
26-Feb-30 |
9287 |
1183 |
728 |
4084 |
Dec-14 |
LANC |
9893 |
26-Feb-30 |
9288 |
1184 |
730 |
3251 |
Jun-11 |
MCW |
8587 |
26-Feb-30 |
9289 |
1184 |
728 |
4085 |
Dec-14 |
LANC |
9894 |
8-Mar-30 |
9290 |
1185 |
730 |
3235 |
Jun-11 |
MCW |
8571 |
8-Mar-30 |
9291 |
1185 |
728 |
4077 |
Dec-14 |
LANC |
(9895) |
8-Mar-30 |
9292 |
1186 |
729 |
3264 |
Dec-12 |
MCW |
8600 |
8-Mar-30 |
9293 |
1186 |
728 |
3231 |
Jun-11 |
MCW |
8567 |
9-Jul-30 |
9294 |
1187 |
728 |
3238 |
Jun-11 |
MCW |
8574 |
9-Jul-30 |
9295 |
1187 |
728 |
Replacement
coach 9140
One
further ex. LBSCR coach was converted for use in ‘Central Section’ set
1152 whose 46' ex. SECR 8‑compartment coach was lost in an accident at
Epsom Downs in July 1937. Conversion took place from December 1937 at Lancing
works and the rebuilt vehicle was ready by July 1938 and formed into set 1152.
This coach had a fascinating history, both the underframe and the body.
The
54' underframe came from a coach built at Lancing in December 1919 and
intended as an ‘AC’ Driving Trailer Composite for the Coulsdon & Wallington
scheme. This coach consisted of a driver's compartment, four first and four
third compartments, the firsts being 6' 6½" in width, the thirds
5' 8" in width, to diagram number 284. The coach was numbered 4105 in
the ‘AC’ series but was stored, partly completed until it was finished off in
1921 and fitted with steam heaters, entering service as a steam‑hauled
coach and being renumbered into the ‘steam’ series as 6257 in October 1927. The
unused driver's cab had the windows obscured.
In
March 1931, coach 6257 (along with two others) was converted into a steam
pull-push Driving Trailer Composite, the first-class compartment behind the
disused cab being stripped out and merged with the cab section to form a
combined driver's and guard's compartment 10' 8" long. Double doors
were provided, the guard's door opening inwards and 1 ton of luggage was
permitted.
The
two end observation lights of the ‘AC’ design were retained, resulting in these
three coach conversions being easily recognisable as other steam push‑pull
coaches had four observation lights on the coach end.
The
coach was then renumbered again, as 6939, given a revised diagram number
No. 437 and formed with an ex. LSWR 8‑compartment Third as set 649.
It was used mostly on the Eastern Section at Allhallows, Hythe and Westerham,
but saw occasional use on the Central Section from Horsham working to both
Guildford or Brighton.
Set
649 was then withdrawn in August 1937 and the bodywork of 6939 was removed
and scrapped, the underframe then being available for further use.
The
bodywork of the ‘new’ 9140 started life as a 54' bogie Third Brake 867
built at Lancing in June 1913 for four-set 78. This coach consisted of a large
luggage area, 23' 11½" long with two pairs of double doors each side,
the doors nearest the end of the coach opening inwards for the guard whilst the
remaining three opened outwards. There were five third compartments (each
5' 10" wide) and the coach was to diagram
number 202.
It
had electric lighting from new and was used between London Bridge and
Brighton or Hastings. The SR renumbered the coach 3968 in January 1927, in the
meantime having equipped it with dual braking in 1925/1926 and formed it into
three-set 826. The coach was then withdrawn from traffic in December 1937 and
the body placed onto the underframe of similarly withdrawn 6939 in January
1938.
Conversion
of the body then took place, the brake area being stripped and replaced with
four new third compartments, the coach now being a 9‑compartment Trailer
Third and given the unique diagram number 737. In this form the coach now
seated ninety third and weighed 23 tons 8cwt. It was fitted with a centre
buffer at one end.
Guildford
& Dorking Stock
Sets 1025-1037
The
extension of electrification to Dorking North & Guildford from 9th July
1925 required further electric stock and twenty‑six 3-Car Motor units (nos.1285-1310)
were ordered for this scheme along with a further thirteen Trailer Sets, these
appearing as sets 1025-1037 to order number H.O. 67.
These
sets were made up from conversions of LBSCR bogie Thirds built at Lancing in
1921 and the conversions were also carried out at this works. Each vehicle
weighed 25 tons 12cwt, was 57' 7" long over buffers (54' 0"
over bodywork) and seated ninety third in nine compartments. Bogie centres were
at 37' 0" inset 8' 5½" from the coach end. These coaches
were already fitted with Westinghouse brakes prior to conversion. Each
compartment was 5' 10.9/16" wide except the centremost which was
5' 10½" wide.
Bodywork
was wooden panels with overbeading and ventilation
louvers above the door droplights, those on smoking compartments being a metal
tube with vents at each end, those on non-smoking compartments being a wooden
louvered cover with the vent along the bottom edge. LBSCR upholstery of red
& black tapestry with full back cushions was retained and electric heating
and lighting fitted to the pattern of the LSWR sets with the lamps in glass
bowls. Each coach contained three non-smoking compartments, these being located
as the second one in from each end and the centremost one.
The
coaches remained loose coupled, overall set length was 115' 2" and
they weighed 51¼ tons and seated one-hundred & eighty third-class. All
coaches were allocated SR diagram number 723 despite there being detail
differences between each one of the set in connection
with the lighting supply arrangements. These sets were similarly modified
between 1934 and 1938 to the 1001-1024 batch with a central lighting jumper
fitted, then becoming common-user with the remainder of the Trailer Set fleet.
Diagram
numbers were altered to 735 and 736 during this modification programme when the
sets were modified with the centre buffer and three link chain
coupling between coaches, the odd numbered vehicles gaining a rubbing plate
(diagram number 735) whilst the even numbered vehicles gained a centre buffer
(diagram number 736).
All
sets survived the war and were withdrawn between 1946 and 1949, a few surviving
until the end of diagrammed Trailer Set working on Monday 27th September
1948, two bodies being grounded and three coaches
appropriated for departmental use whilst a further two vehicles were converted
to de-icing trailers and also taken into departmental stock. All the remaining
bodies were broken-up at Lancing and the underframes cut-up shortly afterwards
in the London area.
Set
formations and disposal details were as follows:
[Note,
where only one date is shewn in the disposal column, both coaches were dealt
with on the same date].
Set No. |
Date into traffic |
TT |
TT |
Withdrawn |
Body w/e scrap |
U/F w/e cut-up |
Diag. No. |
|
723 |
723 |
(As converted) |
|
|
Diag. No. |
|
735 |
736 |
(Amended) |
|
|
1025 |
26-Jun-25 |
8949 |
8950 |
9-Dec-47 |
13-Dec-47 |
20-Dec-47 MI |
1026 |
26-Jun-25 |
8951 |
8952 |
30-Nov-46 |
c.Jun-51? |
c.Jun-51 LW? |
1027 |
25-May-25 |
8953 |
8954 |
c.Jan-46 |
- |
23-Feb-46 MI |
1028 |
24-Jun-25 |
8955 |
8956 |
9-Mar-46 |
9-Mar-46 |
27-Jul-46 NXG |
1029 |
25-May-25 |
8957 |
8958 |
4-Jan-47 |
- |
- |
1030 |
11-Jul-25 |
8959 |
8960 |
2-Oct-48 |
2-Apr-49 |
7-May-49 AW |
1031 |
11-Jul-25 |
8961 |
8962 |
22-Sep-47 |
7-Feb-48 |
(as 590S) (8962) |
1032 |
11-Jul-25 |
8963 |
8964 |
2-Oct-48 |
26-Mar-49 (8963) |
? |
1033 |
9-Jul-25 |
8965 |
8966 |
17-Jun-47 |
21-Jun-47 |
28-Jun-47 MI |
1034 |
9-Jul-25 |
8967 |
8968 |
2-Oct-48 |
4-Dec-48 |
26-Feb-49 AW |
1035 |
9-Jul-25 |
8969 |
8970 |
22-Sep-47 |
4-Oct-47 (8969) |
18-Oct-47 MI |
1036 |
9-Jul-25 |
8971 |
8972 |
23-Jun-47 |
5-Jul-47 |
12-Jul-47 MI |
1037 |
29-Jun-25 |
8973 |
8974 |
2-Oct-48 |
9-Apr-49 (8973) |
30-Apr-49 AW |
Codes for
underframe disposal locations: |
|
AW |
Angerstein Wharf |
LW |
Lancing works |
MI |
Mitcham |
NXG |
New Cross Gate |
Individual
Set Notes
Set |
|
1025 |
Set commenced service
26-Jun-25. Set withdrawn 13-Dec-47 and
sent to Lancing for disposal. Both bodies broken‑up there
w/e 13-Dec-47. Both underframes cut‑up at Mitcham w/e 20-Dec-47. |
1026 |
Set commenced service
26-Jun-25. Set damaged by F/B (V1 flying
bomb) blast at West Croydon 23-Jun-44, repair
details unknown. Set withdrawn 30-Nov-46 and
both coaches converted to stores vans at Lancing works, 8951 renumbered 434s
and 8952 renumbered 435s 4-Jan-47. Subsequent disposal unknown but probably
scrapped on site during 1951 after being withdrawn 30-Jun-51. |
1027 |
Set commenced service
25-May-25. Set withdrawn by c.Jan-46 and both bodies grounded at Southampton Docks
w/e 26-Jan-46. Both underframes cut‑up at Mitcham
w/e 23-Feb-46. |
1028 |
Set commenced service
24-Jun-25. Set withdrawn
w/e 9-Mar-46 and both bodies broken-up at Lancing that w/e date, both
underframes cut‑up at New Cross Gate w/e 27-Jul-46. |
1029 |
Set commenced service
25-May-25. Set withdrawn 4-Jan-47 and
both coaches converted to De-Icing trailers, TT 8957 being renumbered
DS396, TT 8958 being renumbered DS397. Conversions took place in
November 1946. |
1030 |
Set commenced service
11-Jul-25. Set withdrawn 2-Oct-48 and
sent to Lancing for disposal. Both bodies broken‑up there
w/e 2-Apr-49. Both underframes cut‑up at Angerstein
Wharf w/e 7-May-49. |
1031 |
Set commenced service
11-Jul-25. TT 8961 damaged by F/B
(V1 flying bomb) blast at West Croydon 23-Jun-44, repaired at Durnsford Road. Set withdrawn 22-Sep-47 and
TT 8961 converted to a yard wagon at Lancing works and renumbered 590s
13-Mar-48, being finally withdrawn 25-Jun-49. Body or decking broken-up at
Lancing w/e 3-Sep-49 and underframe cut-up by contractors at Mitcham
w/e 17-Sep-49. Body of TT 8962 broken‑up at Lancing
w/e 7-Feb-48 and underframe cut‑up at Angerstein
Wharf w/e 21-Feb-48. |
1032 |
Set commenced service
11-Jul-25. Set withdrawn 2-Oct-48 and
sent to Lancing for disposal. Body of TT 8963 broken‑up
w/e 26-Mar-49, body of TT 8964 broken‑up w/e 2-Apr-49. Disposal of underframes uncertain, both
sent from Lancing to Eastleigh 1-Apr-49. |
1033 |
Set commenced service
9-Jul-25. Set withdrawn 17-Jun-47 and
sent to Lancing for disposal. Both bodies broken‑up there
w/e 21-Jun-47. Both underframes cut‑up at Mitcham
w/e 28-Jun-47. |
1034 |
Set commenced service
9-Jul-25. Set withdrawn 2-Oct-48 and
sent to Lancing for disposal. Both bodies broken‑up there
w/e 4-Dec-48. Both underframes to Hassocks for store 3-Dec-48, later cut‑up
at Angerstein Wharf w/e 26-Feb-49. |
1035 |
Set commenced service
9-Jul-25. Set withdrawn 22-Sep-47 and
sent to Lancing for disposal. Body of TT 8969 broken‑up w/e 4-Oct-47,
body of TT 8964 broken‑up w/e 11-Oct-47. Both underframes cut‑up
at Mitcham, TT 8969 w/e 18-Oct-47, TT 8970 w/e 25-Oct-47. |
1036 |
Set commenced service
9-Jul-25. Set withdrawn 23-Jun-47 and
sent to Lancing for disposal. Both bodies broken‑up w/e 5-Jul-47.
Both underframes cut‑up at Mitcham w/e 12-Jul-47. |
1037 |
Set commenced service
29-Jun-25. Set withdrawn 2-Oct-48 and
sent to Lancing for disposal. Body of TT 8974 broken‑up
w/e 2-Apr-49, body of TT 8973 broken‑up w/e 9-Apr-49.
Both underframes cut‑up at Angerstein Wharf
w/e 30-Apr-49. |
Eastern
Section Stock
Sets 1051-1117
The electrification of the
Eastern Section suburban lines in 1925/1926 required a large increase in the
quantity of electric stock to operate the new services. Stock authorised for
this scheme was one-hundred and thirty four 3 Car
Motor Units (nos.1401-1534), twenty-nine being newly built, the remaining one‑hundred
and five being conversions of former SECR steam stock mounted on new standard
62' 0" underframes.
Also authorised as part of the
scheme were a further sixty‑seven two-coach Trailers Sets, these
appearing in 1925/1926 as sets 1051-1117, enabling sixty‑seven eight-coach
trains to be available for the Eastern Section requirements.
These conversions were ordered
in two batches, H.O. 53 for sets 1051-1109 & H.O. 136 for sets
1110-1117.
The vehicles converted for these
sets at Lancing works were numbered 8999-9132 and came from several different
sources. Vehicles 8999-9120 in sets 1051-1110 & 1114 had two main origins,
forty‑three of them were former six-wheelers built between 1891 and 1899
at Brighton and mounted on new underframes at Lancing in 1910/1911 with four
newly built compartments added (they still retained their gas lighting), whilst
a further seventy‑nine were from new construction between 1910-1913 and a
further batch in 1921, twenty‑nine were built at Lancing and fifty came
from the Metropolitan Amalgamated Railway Carriage & Wagon Co. Ltd.
These coaches were all 9‑compartment
Thirds seating 90 and vehicles were 57' 7" long over buffers (54'
body length) and weighed 23 tons 8cwt. Bogie centres were at 37' and
overall width 8'. These coaches were new with electric lighting.
Compartments were 5' 109/16"
in width (except the centremost one which was 5' 10½" wide) in the 9‑compartment
coaches built as such, but the ex. six‑wheeled bodies varied with the
original five compartments being 5' 10¼" wide and the newer ones
added being 5' 11" in width. The converted six‑wheelers became
SR diagram number 724 whilst the bogie coach conversions were to diagram number
723.
The final twelve vehicles
converted were 9121-9132 (going to sets 1111-1113 & 1115-1117), these
having been built between 1899 and 1901, seven by the Birmingham Railway
Carriage & Wagon Company and five at Brighton. These coaches were built as
bogie 2nd /3rd Composites and close coupled as part of
bogie-block suburban stock. All were downgraded to Third-class in 1911 with
each of the compartments then seating ten. These coaches were 50' over body, 8'
in width and had bogie centres at 33' and weighed 21 tons 17cwt. The former second class compartments were 5' 8½" wide whilst
the original thirds were 5' 2½" wide, and these coaches were
allocated the diagram number 726.
Conversion work involved fitting
jumper connections at set ends, conversion to electric lighting where
necessary, installation of electric heating and through electrical cabling.
Many former LBSCR features were retained such as wire racks, air extractors and
door & commode handles; the bodies were wooden panelled with wooden beading
over panel joints and the seating was ‘full back’.
These sets remained loose
coupled and were 115' 2" long overall, weighed 46 tons 16cwt and
seated one-hundred & eighty third-class, though 1111-1113 & 1115-1117
were only 107' 2" long and weighed 43 tons 14cwt. An odd feature was
that the ventilation louvres on the doors were of a different pattern for
smoking compartments (a metal tube with vents at each end) and non-smoking compartments
(a wooden cover with the vent along the bottom edge). Each coach contained
three non-smoking compartments, located as the second from each end and the
centremost one.
Many of these sets were subject
to reforming between October 1934 and May 1938 when one of the LBSCR coaches
was displaced by a newly converted former LSWR 10‑compartment conversion
mounted onto a standard SR 62' 0" underframe. The displaced former LBSCR
vehicles were used to form further Trailer Sets, being coupled with further
fresh ex. LSWR 10‑compartment conversions. Other LBSCR coaches were
swapped between sets at this time.
Wartime
Damage & Reformations
Some sets were lost to war
damage and the survivors were withdrawn between 1943 and 1948, the LBSCR coaches
being scrapped, though a number of grounded bodies survived much longer, whilst
the LSWR coaches were used to augment 3 Car Motor Units to 4 SUB, most of these later having their bodies scrapped and
the SR type underframes were then reused for 4 EPB vehicle
construction.
When reformed with an ex. LSWR
trailer, the coaches were then close-coupled with the centre buffer and three-link
chain arrangement. This also entailed altering the diagram numbers of the
coaches, those originally to diagram number 723 becoming 736 (buffer) or 735
(rubbing plate), those originally to diagram number 724 becoming 737 (buffer)
or 738 (rubbing plate) whilst the shorter diagram number 726 vehicles
became 734 (buffer) or 733 (rubbing plate).
Original formations of Trailer
Sets 1051-1117 are shewn in the list below prior to the 1934 onwards reforming
with LSWR coaches. The thirty‑four vehicles displaced during the
reforming were used, along with a further LSWR coach to form new Trailer Sets
numbered 989-1000, 1038-1050, 1118-1120 & 1195-1200.
Coaches with the shorter
underframes are marked with * after the vehicle number, whilst the six‑wheeled
body conversions are marked with # after the vehicle number. The ‘new’ date is
the date the LBSCR coaches were taken to Lancing for conversion, the entry to
traffic of the new Trailer Set being a few weeks later, whilst the date of the
reformation shewn is that which the ex. LSWR replacement coach was withdrawn
from traffic for conversion, the actual date of return to traffic of the
reformed Trailer Set being shortly afterwards. The displaced trailer was that
shewn in the right‑hand column of the set formation list, and reformed
sets are shewn again later in a second list in their new formations. A number of sets had both their original coaches transferred
to ‘new’ sets, in these cases both vehicles are shewn in the ‘Displaced TT’
column with the left-hand one first in each case.
Original
set formations
Set no. |
Date into traffic |
TT |
TT |
Date |
Displaced |
Replacement |
Date |
Diag. No. |
|
723 |
723 |
|
|
|
|
Diag. No. |
|
724# |
724# |
|
|
|
|
Diag. No. |
|
726* |
726* |
|
|
|
|
1051 |
30-Aug-25 |
8999 |
9100 |
Mar-38 |
989 |
10408 |
- |
1052 |
31-Aug-25 |
9001 |
9002# |
- |
- |
- |
31-Mar-43 |
1053 |
31-Aug-25 |
9013 |
9069 |
- |
- |
- |
Nov-45 |
1054 |
31-Aug-25 |
9048# |
9056# |
Oct-41 |
- |
9291 |
- |
1055 |
31-Aug-25 |
9115 |
9052# |
Nov-35 |
1040 |
9198 |
- |
1056 |
31-Aug-25 |
9011 |
9014 |
- |
- |
- |
29-Jul-48 |
1057 |
1-Sep-25 |
9006# |
9008# |
- |
- |
- |
c.May-46 |
1058 |
31-Aug-25 |
9005# |
9103 |
- |
- |
- |
2-Oct-48 |
1059 |
21-Sep-25 |
9012# |
9000# |
Nov-35 |
1039 |
9194 |
- |
1060 |
21-Sep-25 |
9003# |
9060 |
- |
- |
- |
Nov-45 |
1061 |
21-Sep-25 |
9063 |
9065 |
May-38 |
990 |
10418 |
- |
1062 |
21-Sep-25 |
9062 |
9064 |
- |
- |
- |
10-Mar-43 |
1063 |
21-Sep-25 |
9015# |
9016# |
- |
- |
- |
20-Nov-40 |
1064 |
2-Oct-25 |
9071 |
9017# |
Sep-35 |
1092 |
9188 |
- |
1065 |
21-Sep-25 |
9010 |
|
- |
- |
- |
Dec-45 |
1066 |
21-Sep-25 |
9004# |
9007# |
- |
- |
- |
14-Jul-43 |
1067 |
21-Sep-25 |
9019# |
9070 |
Apr-37 |
1120/1199 |
9030/9207 |
- |
1068 |
21-Sep-25 |
9022 |
9077 |
Mar-37 |
1098/1119 |
9109/9206 |
- |
1069 |
21-Sep-25 |
9068 |
9009# |
- |
- |
- |
22-Dec-43 |
1070 |
19-Sep-25 |
9021# |
9066 |
Sep-35 |
1071 |
9191 |
- |
1071 |
21-Sep-25 |
9036# |
9067 |
Sep-35 |
1048/1047 |
9066/9190 |
|
1072 |
21-Sep-25 |
9018# |
9020 |
Jun-36 |
1038 |
9201 |
- |
1073 |
21-Sep-25 |
9072 |
9034 |
Nov-35 |
1041 |
9199 |
- |
1074 |
6-Oct-25 |
9073 |
9076 |
- |
- |
- |
2-Oct-48 |
1075 |
30-Oct-25 |
9081 |
9090 |
- |
- |
- |
21-Jul-43 |
1076 |
13-Oct-25 |
9080 |
9108 |
- |
- |
- |
27-Jul-48 |
1077 |
17-Nov-25 |
9059# |
9082 |
- |
- |
- |
26-May-43 |
1078 |
16-Nov-25 |
9092 |
|
Dec-35 |
- |
- |
- |
1079 |
21-Nov-25 |
9023# |
9053# |
- |
- |
- |
9-Jul-47 |
1080 |
7-Dec-25 |
9043# |
9085 |
- |
- |
- |
7-Apr-42 |
1081 |
19-Nov-25 |
9037# |
9094 |
Sep-37 |
1085/1095 |
9099/9827 |
- |
1082 |
17-Nov-25 |
9074 |
9084 |
Mar-38 |
991 |
10412 |
- |
1083 |
20-Nov-25 |
9079 |
9089 |
- |
- |
- |
4-Jan-47 |
1084 |
19-Nov-25 |
9095 |
9024# |
Sep-37 |
1200/1000 |
9098/9828 |
- |
1085 |
19-Nov-25 |
9035# |
9091 |
Sep-37 |
999/998 |
9037/9830 |
- |
1086 |
18-Dec-25 |
9038# |
9039# |
Apr-38 |
992 |
10414 |
- |
1087 |
17-Dec-25 |
9044# |
9027 |
Oct-34 |
1198 |
9175 |
- |
1088 |
17-Feb-26 |
9083 |
9096 |
- |
- |
- |
15-Jul-47 |
1089 |
5-Feb-26 |
9040# |
9041# |
- |
- |
- |
18-Nov-42 |
1090 |
17-Feb-26 |
9075 |
9086 |
Feb-38 |
993 |
10404 |
- |
1091 |
23-Feb-26 |
9042# |
9087 |
- |
- |
- |
26-Sep-47 |
1092 |
22-Feb-26 |
9097 |
9093 |
Sep-35 |
1045/1046 |
9017/9189 |
- |
1093 |
22-Feb-26 |
9102 |
9106 |
Jan-38 |
994 |
10401 |
- |
1094 |
9-Feb-26 |
9088 |
9105 |
- |
- |
- |
22-Sep-43 |
1095 |
8-Feb-26 |
9098 |
9099 |
Sep-37 |
1084/1081 |
9094/9829 |
- |
1096 |
15-Feb-26 |
9104 |
9047# |
Jul-35 |
1042 |
9196 |
- |
1097 |
23-Feb-26 |
9045# |
9028 |
Nov-34 |
1043/1044 |
9122/9187 |
- |
1098 |
19-Feb-26 |
9046# |
9107 |
Aug-37 |
1103/1118 |
9022/9298 |
- |
1099 |
1-Mar-26 |
9049# |
9101 |
Feb-38 |
995 |
10407 |
- |
1100 |
28-Feb-26 |
9029 |
9057# |
- |
- |
- |
10-Mar-43 |
1101 |
18-Mar-26 |
9051# |
9110 |
- |
- |
- |
14-Jun-48 |
1102 |
1-Mar-26 |
9031 |
9055# |
- |
- |
- |
22-Mar-45 |
1103 |
28-Feb-26 |
9030 |
9109 |
Apr-37 |
1067/1068 |
9046/9208 |
- |
1104 |
20-May-26 |
9033 |
9058# |
Apr-38 |
996 |
10416 |
- |
1105 |
1-Jun-26 |
9112 |
9113 |
- |
- |
- |
2-Oct-48 |
1106 |
28-May-26 |
9111 |
9114 |
- |
- |
- |
14-Sep-48 |
1107 |
1-Jul-26 |
9025 |
9026 |
- |
- |
- |
17-Mar-42 |
1108 |
1-Jul-26 |
9050# |
9054# |
Feb-38 |
997 |
10405 |
- |
1109 |
19-Jul-26 |
9032 |
9116 |
- |
- |
- |
Jan-45 |
1110 |
19-Jul-26 |
9119 |
9120 |
- |
- |
- |
9-Jul-47 |
1111 |
12-Aug-26 |
9121* |
9123* |
Jul-35 |
1050/1049 |
9126/9184 |
- |
1112 |
18-Aug-26 |
9124* |
9126* |
Jul-35 |
1111 |
9185 |
- |
1113 |
31-Aug-26 |
9125* |
9122* |
Aug-35 |
1097 |
9186 |
- |
1114 |
28-Sep-26 |
9117 |
9118 |
- |
- |
- |
31-Mar-43 |
1115 |
28-Dec-26 |
9129* |
9132* |
Oct-34 |
1196 |
9170 |
- |
1116 |
5-Oct-26 |
9128* |
9131* |
Oct-34 |
1197 |
9173 |
- |
1117 |
2-Oct-26 |
9127* |
9130* |
Sep-34 |
1195 |
9168 |
- |
Footnote |
|
30 |
Replacement
coach for original, ex. LSWR 10-compartment conversion, diagram no.739. |
Individual
Set Notes
Note |
A number of coaches are shewn as disposed of by ‘London Bridge’,
it is believed that the job of breaking these was allocated to London Bridge
C&W and was carried out in the London area (possibly at Ewer Street or
Rotherhithe Road?) though breaking-up is unlikely to have been carried
out at London Bridge itself. |
Set |
|
1051 |
Set
commenced service 30-Aug-25. Set
reformed Mar-38 and TT 9100 to new set 989, replaced by newly converted
TT 10408 |
1052 |
Set
commenced service 31-Aug-25. Set
withdrawn 31-Mar-43, both bodies grounded for wartime use 18-Aug-43,
TT 9001 at Wokingham for fire prevention, TT 9002 at Eastleigh also
for fire prevention. Both underframes cut‑up at New Cross Gate? (no date). |
1053 |
Set
commenced service 31-Aug-25. Set
withdrawn Nov-45 and both coaches converted to de-icing trailers.
TT 9013 renumbered DS353, TT 9069 renumbered DS354. |
1054 |
Set
commenced service 22-Jul-35. Set
not one reformed with LSWR coach pre-war, but TT 9056 withdrawn
29-Oct-41 and body grounded at Fratton for Fire Watchers 5-Nov-41, underframe
being cut-up at New Cross Gate 14-Jan-42. Replaced
by TT 9291 (ex. 1185), a 9‑compartment ex. LBSCR AC coach conversion.
This coach was a former ‘CP’ MBT converted to DC operation at Lancing Mar-30,
then seating ninety, It now weighed 26 tons 9cwt and
was 57' 7" long, the overall length of this set remaining unchanged
at 115' 2" as it remained loose‑coupled. Set was non-standard
in weight at 49 tons 17cwt and now seated one-hundred & eighty third. |
1055 |
Set
commenced service 31-Aug-25. Set
reformed Nov-35 and TT 9052 to new set 1040, replaced by newly converted
TT 9198. |
1056 |
Set
commenced service 31-Aug-25. Set
slightly damaged by F/B (V1 flying bomb) blast near St Helier 4-Jul-44, repair details unknown. Set
withdrawn 29-Jul-48 and stored briefly at Hever, both bodies broken‑up
at Lancing w/e 9-Oct-48, underframes sent to Hassocks 12-Oct-48, later
cut‑up at Angerstein Wharf
w/e 30-Oct-48. |
1057 |
Set
commenced service 1-Sep-25. Set
withdrawn c.May‑46 and both bodies broken-up
at New Cross Gate w/e 25-May-46. Underframe of 9006 also cut-up there w/e 22-Jun-46 whilst that of 9008 cut‑up
at Mitcham w/e 1-Jun-46. |
1058 |
Set
commenced service 31-Aug-25. Set
withdrawn 2-Oct-48 and both bodies broken-up at Lancing w/e 12-Mar-49. (Underframe
disposal unknown, both sent from Lancing to Eastleigh 11-Mar-49). |
1059 |
Set
commenced service 21-Sep-25. Set
reformed Nov-35 and TT 9000 to new set 1039, replaced by newly converted
TT 9194. |
1060 |
Set
commenced service 21-Sep-25. Set
withdrawn Nov-45 and both coaches converted to de-icing trailers.
TT 9003 renumbered DS356, TT 9060 renumbered DS355. |
1061 |
Set
commenced service 21-Sep-25. Set
reformed May-38 and TT 9065 to new set 990, replaced by newly converted
TT 10418. |
1062 |
Set
commenced service 21-Sep-25. Set
withdrawn 10-Mar-43, both bodies grounded for wartime use, TT 9062 at
Wareham for Home Guard 7-Jul-43, TT 9064 at Tooting also for Home Guard
30-Jun-43. Both underframes cut‑up when bodies grounded. |
1063 |
Set
commenced service 21-Sep-25. Set
destroyed by enemy action, (location unknown, possibly at Charing
Cross 19-Sep-40) and withdrawn 20-Nov-40. |
1064 |
Set
commenced service 2-Oct-25. Set
reformed Sep-35 and TT 9017 to 1092, replaced by newly converted
TT 9188. |
1065 |
Set
commenced service 21-Sep-25. Set
slightly damaged by F/B (V1 flying bomb) blast at West Croydon 23-Jun-44,
repaired at Selhurst. Set
badly damaged by V2 explosion at Peckham Rye 6-Jan-45 and TT 9061
withdrawn and scrapped 13-Jan-45. Replaced by damaged TT 9116 (ex. 1109)
and after repairs set ran for a brief period before being withdrawn Dec-45.
Both TT's 9010 and 9116 then converted to de-icing trailers and
renumbered DS351 and DS352 respectively. |
1066 |
Set
commenced service 21-Sep-25. Set
withdrawn 14-Jul-43, both bodies grounded, TT 9004 at Halwill Jct. for C&W Dept, TT 9007 at
Southampton Old Docks for Admiralty use. Underframe of 9004 cut-up at New
Cross Gate 5-Jan-44 and that of 9007 at Mitcham w/e 17-Feb-45. |
1067 |
Set
commenced service 21-Sep-25. Set
disbanded Mar-37 and TT 9019 to new set 1120, TT 9070 to new set
1199. Set reformed again Apr-37 using TT 9030 (ex. 1103) and newly
converted TT 9207. |
1068 |
Set
commenced service 21-Sep-25. Set
disbanded Mar-37 and TT 9022 to 1098 (from Aug-37), TT 9077 to new
set 1119. Set reformed again Apr-37 using TT 9109 (ex. 1103) and newly
converted TT 9206. |
1069 |
Set
commenced service 21-Sep-25. Set
withdrawn 22-Dec-43, both bodies grounded, TT 9009 at Folkestone Harbour
for staff accommodation Jan-44, TT 9068 at Bricklayers Arms for
female rest room Apr-44. Underframe of 9009 cut‑up 2-Sep-44, that of
9068 10-Jun-44, both at New Cross Gate. |
1070 |
Set
commenced service 19-Sep-25. Set
reformed Sep-35 and TT 9066 to 1071, replaced by newly converted
TT 9191. |
1071 |
Set
commenced service 21-Sep-25. Set
disbanded Sep-35 and TT 9036 to new set 1048, TT 9067 to new set
1047. Set reformed again Sep-35 using TT 9066 (ex. 1070) and newly
converted TT 9190. |
1072 |
Set
commenced service 21-Sep-25. Set
reformed Jun-36 and TT 9020 to new set 1038, replaced by newly converted
TT 9201. |
1073 |
Set
commenced service 21-Sep-25. Set
reformed Nov-35 and TT 9034 to new set 1041, replaced by newly converted
TT 9199. |
1074 |
Set
commenced service 6-Oct-25. Set
withdrawn 2-Oct-48, both bodies broken‑up at Lancing w/e 16-Oct-48
and both underframes sent to Hassocks 16-Oct-48, later cut‑up at Angerstein Wharf? w/e 5-Mar-49. |
1075 |
Set
commenced service 30-Oct-25. Set
withdrawn 21-Jul-43 and TT 9090 grounded at Worthing Central Sep-43 for
wartime use. Underframe cut‑up 2-Feb-44 (location unknown). TT 9081 scrapped 29-Apr-44 (again location unknown). (Body of
9090 believed still extant Oct-64). |
1076 |
Set
commenced service 13-Oct-25. Set
withdrawn 27-Jul-48, both bodies broken‑up at Lancing w/e 9-Apr-49
and both underframes sent to Angerstein Wharf
14-Apr-49 and cut‑up there w/e 21-May-49. |
1077 |
Set
commenced service 17-Nov-25. Set
withdrawn 26-May-43, both bodies grounded at Brighton Top Yard Jun-43
for C&W Dept. use. Underframes cut‑up at New Cross Gate 1-Sep-43. |
1078 |
Set
commenced service 16-Nov-25. TT 9078
withdrawn after accident damage (where?) Jul-35 and replaced Dec-35 by
a newly converted ex. LSWR 8‑compartment coach mounted on an SR
62' 0" frame, now with ten compartments seating one-hundred. The
eight original compartments were 5' 10.3/8"
wide whilst the two new ones added were 6' 10.7/8"
wide and were located at the end of the coach coupled to TT 9092. This
vehicle weighed 27 tons and was 64' 8" long so set now seated 180,
was 121' 6" long and weighed 50 tons 8cwt. The replacement coach
was converted at Eastleigh works Dec-35 and was to diagram number 739 and was
close-coupled to TT 9092. It was mounted on the underframe of former
‘Continental’ Maunsell Third 779 whose body had
been destroyed by fire at Dover Marine Jul-35, the underframe having
been constructed by the MCWF Co. Ltd in 1927 and the body built at Eastleigh.
The remains of the original 9078 were cut-up in July 1936 (location unknown). Set withdrawn
7-Aug-48 and TT 9078 to 4 SUB 4190 Nov-48. TT 9092 body broken‑up
at Lancing w/e 28-Aug-48, underframe cut‑up at Angerstein
Wharf w/e 11‑Sep‑48. |
1079 |
Set
commenced service 21-Nov-25. Set
slightly damaged by F/B (V1 flying bomb) blast at Selhurst station 14-Jul-44,
repaired at the depot. TT 9053
damaged again by F/B (V1 flying bomb) blast at Earlsfield
21-Jul-44, repair details unknown. Set
withdrawn 9-Jul-47 and TT 9023 grounded at Lancing w/e 13-Dec-47,
underframe sent to Mitcham 9-Dec-47 and cut-up there
w/e 20-Dec-47. Body of TT 9053 broken‑up at Lancing
29-Nov-47, underframe sent to Mitcham 5-Dec-47 and cut-up there
w/e 3-Jan-48. |
1080 |
Set
commenced service 7-Dec-25. Set
withdrawn 7-Apr-42 and TT 9085 grounded at Lancing C&W for wartime
use. Body of TT 9043 broken-up at Lancing 8-Sep-42 and underframe used
in repair of steam-hauled Brake Third 3851. Body of TT 9085 in two parts
by Sep-46, the underframe having been cut‑up earlier at Lancing
29-Jul-42. |
1081 |
Set
commenced service 19-Nov-25. Set
disbanded Jul-37 and TT 9037 to set 1085, TT 9094 to set 1095
Sep-37. Set
reformed again Sep-37 using TT 9099 (ex. 1095) and newly converted
TT 9827. |
1082 |
Set
commenced service 17-Nov-25. Set
reformed Mar-38 and TT 9084 to new set 991, replaced by newly converted
TT 10412. |
1083 |
Set
commenced service 20-Nov-25. Set
withdrawn 4-Jan-47 and both coaches converted to de-icing trailers.
TT 9079 renumbered DS398, TT 9089 renumbered DS399. Conversions
took place Nov-46. |
1084 |
Set
commenced service 19-Nov-25. Set
disbanded Jul-37 and TT 9024 to new set 1000, TT 9095 to new set
1200. Set reformed
again Sep-37 using TT 9098 (ex. 1095) and newly converted TT 9828. |
1085 |
Set
commenced service 19-Nov-25. Set
disbanded Jul-37 and TT 9091 to new set 998, TT 9035 to new set
999. Set reformed
again Sep-37 using TT 9037 (ex. 1081) and newly converted TT 9830. |
1086 |
Set
commenced service 18-Dec-25. Set
reformed Apr-38 and TT 9039 to new set 992, replaced by newly converted
TT 10414. |
1087 |
Set
commenced service 17-Dec-25. Set
reformed Oct-34 and TT 9027 ex. changed with TT 9175 (ex. 1198). |
1088 |
Set
commenced service 17-Feb-26. Set
withdrawn 15-Jul-47, bodies both broken‑up at Lancing, that of 9083
w/e 19-Jul-47 and 9096 w/e 26-Jul-47, whilst both underframes sent
to Mitcham 25-Jul-47 and cut‑up there
w/e 2-Aug-47. |
1089 |
Set
commenced service 5-Feb-26. Set
damaged in collision at Waterloo 12-Nov-42 and withdrawn 18-Nov-42, both
bodies grounded for wartime use, TT 9040 at Orpington for Fire Watchers
Jan-43, TT 9041 at Bricklayers Arms for C&W Dept. Mar-43. Underframe
of 9040 cut‑up 3-Mar-43, that of 9041 similarly dealt with 17-Mar-43,
both at New Cross Gate. |
1090 |
Set
commenced service 17-Feb-26. Set
reformed Feb-38 and TT 9086 to new set 993, replaced by newly converted
TT 10404. |
1091 |
Set
commenced service 23-Feb-26. Set
withdrawn 26-Sep-47, both bodies broken‑up at Lancing, that of 9042
w/e 31-Jan-48 and 9087 w/e 7-Feb-48, whilst both underframes were
sent to Angerstein Wharf 11-Feb-48 and cut‑up
there w/e 21-Feb-48. |
1092 |
Set
commenced service 22-Feb-26. Set
disbanded Sep-35 and TT 9093 to new set 1046, TT 9097 to new set
1045. Set
reformed again Sep-35 using TT 9017 (ex. 1064) and newly converted
TT 9189. |
1093 |
Set
commenced service 22-Feb-26. Set
reformed Jan-38 and TT 9106 to new set 994, replaced by newly converted
TT 10401. |
1094 |
Set
commenced service 9-Feb-26. Set
withdrawn 22-Sep-43 and TT 9088 grounded at Fratton for A.R.P. use,
underframe cut‑up (at Fratton?)
24-Nov-43. TT 9105 scrapped at New Cross Gate 1-Dec-43. (body of 9105 also reported as grounded at
Ashford for Home Guard). |
1095 |
Set
commenced service 8-Feb-26. Set
disbanded Sep-37 and TT 9098 to 1084, TT 9099 to 1081. Set
reformed again Sep-37 using TT 9094 (ex. 1081) and newly converted
TT 9829. |
1096 |
Set
commenced service 15-Feb-26. Set
reformed Jul-35 and TT 9047 to new set 1042, replaced by newly converted
TT 9196 Nov-35. |
1097 |
Set
commenced service 23-Feb-26. Set
disbanded Nov-34 and TT 9045 to new set 1043, TT 9028 to new set
1044. Set
reformed again Aug-35 using TT 9122 (ex. 1113) and newly converted
TT 9187. |
1098 |
Set
commenced service 19-Feb-26. Set
disbanded Feb-37 and TT 9107 to new set 1118, TT 9046 to 1103
Apr-37. Set
reformed again Aug-37 using TT 9022 (ex. 1068) and newly converted
TT 9298. |
1099 |
Set
commenced service 1-Mar-26. Set
reformed Feb-38 and TT 9101 to new set 995, replaced by newly converted
TT 10407. |
1100 |
Set
commenced service 28-Feb-26. Set
withdrawn 10-Mar-43 and both bodies grounded, TT 9029 at
Gravesend West for staff accommodation, TT 9057 at Micheldever for social club 19-May-43. Both
underframes cut‑up at New Cross Gate, 9029 1-Sep-43 &
9057 30-Jun-43. |
1101 |
Set
commenced service 18-Mar-26. Set
withdrawn 14-Jun-48, both bodies broken‑up at Lancing w/e 3-Jul-48
and underframes sent to Mitcham 1-Jul-48 and cut‑up there
w/e 17-Jul-48. |
1102 |
Set
commenced service 1-Mar-26. Set
withdrawn 22-Mar-45, both bodies broken‑up at New Cross Gate
20-Oct-45, underframes cut‑up at Mitcham, that of 9031 10-Nov-45 and
that of 9055 3-Nov-45. |
1103 |
Set
commenced service 28-Feb-26. Set
disbanded Mar-37 and TT 9030 to 1067 Apr-37, TT 9109 to 1068
Mar-37. Set reformed again Apr-37 using TT 9046 (ex. 1098) and newly
converted TT 9208. |
1104 |
Set
commenced service 20-May-26. Set
reformed Apr-38 and TT 9058 to new set 996, replaced by newly converted
TT 10416. |
1105 |
Set
commenced service 1-Jun-26. Set
withdrawn 2-Oct-48, both bodies broken‑up at Lancing w/e 4-Dec-48
and underframes sent to Hassocks 1-Dec-48 for store, later cut‑up at Angerstein Wharf w/e 26-Feb-49. |
1106 |
Set
commenced service 28-May-26. Set
withdrawn 14-Sep-48, both bodies broken‑up at Lancing
w/e 25-Sep-48 and underframes sent to Angerstein
Wharf 22-Sep-48 and cut‑up there
w/e 9-Oct-48. |
1107 |
Set
commenced service 1-Jul-26. Set
withdrawn 17-Mar-42, both bodies grounded for wartime use, TT 9025 at
Redhill Loco 15-Apr-42, TT 9026 at Southampton for Fire Watchers
20-May-42. Both
underframes cut‑up (at New Cross
Gate?) Jun-42, that of 9025 3-Jun-42 and that of 9026 24-Jun-42. |
1108 |
Set
commenced service 1-Jul-26. Set
reformed Feb-38 and TT 9054 to new set 997, replaced by newly converted
TT 10405. |
1109 |
Set
commenced service 19-Jul-26. Set
badly damaged by V2 explosion at Peckham Rye 6‑Jan-45 and
TT 9032 destroyed, TT 9116 to 1065 by Dec-45 after repairs. |
1110 |
Set
commenced service 19-Jul-26. Set
withdrawn 9-Jul-47, both bodies broken‑up at Lancing w/e 20-Dec-47
and underframes cut‑up at Angerstein Wharf
w/e 21-Feb-48. |
1111 |
Set
commenced service 12-Aug-26. Set
disbanded Jul-35 and TT 9121 to new set 1050, TT 9123 to new set
1049. Set
reformed again Jul-35 using TT 9126 (ex. 1112) and newly converted
TT 9184. |
1112 |
Set
commenced service 18-Aug-26. Set
reformed Jul-35 and TT 9126 to set 1111, replaced by newly converted
TT 9185. |
1113 |
Set
commenced service 31-Aug-26. Set
reformed Aug-35 and TT 9122 to 1097, replaced by newly converted
TT 9186. |
1114 |
Set
commenced service 28-Sep-26. Set
withdrawn 31-Mar-43 and both TTs 9117 and 9118 grounded at Ashford Down Yard
16-Jun-43, 9117 for military use, 9118 for staff accommodation. Underframe
of 9117 cut‑up at New Cross Gate 16-Jun-43, that of 9118 also
cut‑up there w/e 21-Sep-46. |
1115 |
Set
commenced service 28-Dec-26. Set
reformed Oct-34 and TT 9132 ex. changed with TT 9170 (ex. 1196). |
1116 |
Set
commenced service 5-Oct-26. Set
reformed Oct-34 and TT 9131 ex. changed with TT 9173 (ex. 1197). |
1117 |
Set
commenced service 2-Oct-26. Set
reformed Sep-34 and TT 9130 ex. changed with TT 9168 (ex. 1195). |
Reformed
Sets 1051-1117
Between October 1934 and May
1938, thirty‑four of the sixty‑seven Trailer Sets converted for the
Eastern Section electrification were reformed. These sets originally consisted
of two ex. LBSCR 9‑compartment coaches, loose coupled and seated one-hundred
& eighty third-class. Most were 115' 2" long and weighed 46 tons
16cwt, but a few (1111-1113 and 1115-1117) had slightly shorter bodies and were
107' 2" long and weighed 44 tons 14cwt.
The ‘new’ coaches converted for
these sets were former LSWR 8‑compartment bogie Thirds built between 1894
and 1902 converted at Eastleigh and mounted onto new SR 62' 0"
underframes. The bodies were lengthened with two matching additional
compartments, the 10‑compartment coaches now seating one-hundred third
class. The original compartments were 5' 10.3/8" in width, the new
ones were 6' 10.7/8" wide and were located at the end of the coach at
the centre of the Trailer Set. These two new compartments only had a
half-partition, i.e., to top of seat backs.
These coaches weighed 27 tons
and were 64' 8" long (62' 0" over bodies) and were to diagram
numbers 731 and 732. Westinghouse air brakes were fitted
and electric lighting and heating installed, operated from the adjacent 3 Car
Motor Units. These coaches were then close‑coupled to an ex. LBSCR vehicle
giving a revised overall length of 121' 5" for most sets, though
those coupled to one of the shorter vehicles were only 117' 5" long.
Overall set weight was now 50 tons 8cwt (48 tons 17cwt for the shorter LBSCR vehicle
sets), and they now seated one-hundred & ninety third-class.
The newly converted coaches were
allocated to the next set due in for overhaul as they were outshopped, and not
in any particular number order.
The date of the reformation
shewn is the date that the ex. LSWR coach was withdrawn for conversion, the
actual date to traffic of the reformed Trailer Set being a short while later.
The diagram numbers of the ex. LBSCR vehicles, previously 723 /724 /726
variously, were then amended to 736 /737 /734 respectively when modified with a
centre buffer at one end or to 735 /738 /733 respectively when modified with a
rubbing plate at one end.
The three compartments at the
outer end of each 10‑compartment coach were
smoking, the four centremost ones being three non-smoking with a further
smoking one splitting them two & one.
It is possible that the reason
for these reformations was due to the requirement to introduce more vehicles to
traffic as Trailer Sets, but as all these later conversions were now mounted on
62' 0" underframes, the overall length of sets formed of two such
vehicles at 129' 4" (see sets 1195-1198) meant that an 8-car train
was now 516' 8" long and exceeded the platform length or clearance of
track circuit block joints at certain ‘tight’ locations.
A similar problem arose again in
later years when the first BR type 2 EPB units were introduced with
buckeye couplers between vehicles and these had to be
modified with the centre-buffer and three link chain arrangement to reduce
their overall length.
It also had the effect of
standardising the seating capacity of these sets with the 1928/1929 Trailer
Sets and subsequent conversions.
Some of the later LSWR coaches
converted during the final two phases of reforms were flush panelled in steel
and looked much more modern than the LBSCR vehicle attached to it, these are
marked with an ‘f’ after the vehicle number.
These reformations ran alongside
the creation of ‘new’ Trailer Sets in the batch 1038-1050 from July 1935
to July 1936, these sets being similar to the reformed ones and created by
using a further newly converted ex. LSWR coach coupled to a displaced ex. LBSCR
vehicle from reformed sets in the 1051-1117 series, and
were numbered downwards from 1050 as they were introduced.
The newly converted ex. LSWR
coaches were mixed between the two batches. Coaches for this batch of
conversions were ordered in three sub-batches to H.O. 844 (those converted
during the summer) and H.O. 853 (those converted towards the end of 1935)
with a final pair to H.O. 901 in July 1936, this order also including
further vehicles for the next batch. This process was repeated
again in March /April 1937 with ‘new’ sets 1118-1120 & 1199 being
formed (again with vehicles from order No. H.O. 901).
A further order to H.O. 929
followed in summer 1937 allowing the creation of sets 998-1000 & 1200, and
the final phase of the conversions was completed using vehicles authorised to
order No. H.O. 965 which saw the appearance of sets 989-997 between January and
May 1938.
Wartime
Damage & Reformations
These sets started to be
withdrawn during the latter part of the war, the ex. LBSCR coaches being
scrapped, (some had bodies grounded for wartime use) whilst the ex. LSWR
coaches were used to augment 3 Car Motor Units of the original 1915 LSWR batch
to form 4 SUB units in the 41xx series. Their diagram numbers were then
altered from 731 or 732 to 741 or 740 respectively. Two with non-standard
underframes (9078 and 9298) became diagram 739, these being altered to 743 when
formed into 4 SUB units.
Coaches with the shorter
underframes are marked with ‘*’ after the vehicle number. Scrapping details of
the LBSCR coaches are shewn in the Individual Set Notes, those bodies grounded
elsewhere are also shewn.
Set no. |
Date |
9-compt. |
New Diag. |
Coupling |
10-compt. |
Date |
10-compt. TT |
Diag. No. |
|
See note 31 |
|
|
See note 32 |
|
|
1051 |
Mar-38 |
8999 |
736 |
CB-RP |
10408f |
7-Jul-48 |
4192 |
1054 |
1941 |
9048 |
- |
Loose |
9291 33 |
29-Jun-46 |
- |
1055 |
Nov-35 |
9115 |
735 |
RP-CB |
9198# |
11-Dec-40 |
See notes |
1059 |
Nov-35 |
9012 |
738 |
RP-CB |
9194# |
16-Feb-44 |
4151 |
1061 |
May-38 |
9063 |
736 |
CB-RP |
10418f |
1-Apr-44 |
4154 |
1064 |
Aug-35 |
9071 |
735 |
RP-CB |
9188# |
26-Sep-47 |
4186 |
1067 |
Apr-37 |
9030 |
736 |
CB-RP |
9207 |
Mar-46 |
4169 |
1068 |
Mar-37 |
9109 |
735 |
RP-CB |
9206# |
5-Jul-48 |
4193 |
1070 |
Sep-35 |
9021 |
737 |
CB-RP |
9191 |
7-Dec-46 |
4173 |
1071 |
Sep-35 |
9066 |
735 |
RP-CB |
9190# |
12-Jan-46 |
4166 |
1072 |
Jul-36 |
9018 |
737 |
CB-RP |
9201 |
25-Aug-45 |
4161 |
1073 |
Nov-35 |
9072 |
736 |
CB-RP |
9199 |
15-Sep-43 |
4148 |
1078 |
Dec-35 |
9092 |
735 |
RP-CB |
9078 34 |
29-Jul-48 |
4190 |
1081 |
Sep-37 |
9099 |
736 |
CB-RP |
9827f |
23-Sep-44 |
4153 |
1082 |
Mar-38 |
9074 |
735 |
RP-CB |
10412f# |
Dec-44 |
4158 |
1084 |
Sep-37 |
9098 |
735 |
RP-CB |
9828f# |
25-May-46 |
4170 |
1085 |
Sep-37 |
9037 |
737 |
CB-RP |
9830f |
11-Dec-40 |
See notes |
1086 |
Apr-38 |
9038 |
737 |
CB-RP |
10414f |
18-Nov-42 |
4146 |
1087 |
Oct-34 |
9044 |
738 |
RP-CB |
9175# |
8-Feb-47 |
4177 |
1090 |
Feb-38 |
9075 |
735 |
RP-CB |
10404f# |
4-May-48 |
4188 |
1092 |
Aug-35 |
9017 |
737 |
CB-RP |
9189 |
26-Jun-47 |
4180 |
1093 |
Jan-38 |
9102 |
736 |
CB-RP |
10401f |
22-Sep-43 |
4149 |
1095 |
Sep-37 |
9094 |
735 |
RP-CB |
9829f# |
21-Sep-46 |
4168 |
1096 |
Nov-35 |
9104 |
736 |
CB-RP |
9196 |
Feb-47 |
4175 |
1097 |
Aug-35 |
9122* |
734 |
CB-RP |
9187 |
23-Sep-42 |
4140 |
1098 |
Aug-37 |
9022 |
735 |
RP-CB |
9298 35 |
1-Mar-47 |
4176 |
1099 |
Feb-38 |
9049 |
737 |
CB-RP |
10407f |
21-Apr-43 |
4143 |
1103 |
Apr-37 |
9046 |
737 |
CB-RP |
9208 |
7-Oct-44 |
4155 |
1104 |
Apr-38 |
9033 |
735 |
RP-CB |
10416f# |
7-Oct-44 |
4152 |
1108 |
Feb-38 |
9050 |
738 |
RP-CB |
1045f# |
3-Jun-42 |
4134 |
1111 |
Jul-35 |
9126* |
733 |
RP-CB |
9184# |
4-May-48 |
4189 |
1112 |
Jul-35 |
9124* |
734 |
CB-RP |
9185 |
26-Aug-47 |
4184 |
1113 |
Aug-35 |
9125* |
733 |
RP-CB |
9186# |
18-Nov-42 |
4142 |
1115 |
Oct-34 |
9129* |
734 |
CB-RP |
9170 |
28-Oct-42 |
4141 |
1116 |
Oct-34 |
9128* |
733 |
RP-CB |
9173# |
14-Apr-42 |
4136 |
1117 |
Sep-34 |
9127* |
734 |
CB-RP |
9168 |
13-Jan-45 |
4157 |
Notes |
|
f |
Flush panelled coach. |
* |
Shorter 49' bodywork coach. |
# |
Diagram number 732 coaches. |
|
|
Footnotes |
|
31 |
Diagram
numbers amended from 723/4/6 to 733/4/5/6/7/8 on reformation. |
32 |
Diagram numbers 731 (unmarked)
or 732 (denoted by #). These were altered to 741 & 740 respectively when
coaches formed into 4 SUB units. |
33 |
9-compt. ex.
LBSCR ‘AC’ vehicle, diagram no. 728. |
34 |
Diagram no.
739, altered to 743 when coach formed into 4 SUB unit. |
35 |
Diagram no.
739, altered to 743 when coach formed into 4 SUB unit. |
Individual
Set Notes
Note |
A number of coaches are shewn as disposed of by ‘London Bridge’,
it is believed that the job of breaking these was allocated to London Bridge
C&W and was carried out in the London area (possibly at Ewer Street or
Rotherhithe Road?) though breaking-up is unlikely to have been carried
out at London Bridge itself. |
Set |
|
1051 |
Set
damaged by F/B (V1 flying bomb) blast at Clock House 21-Jun-44, repair details unknown. Set
damaged by F/B (V1 flying bomb) blast at Bickley Jct. 1-Jul-44, repair details unknown. Set
disbanded 7-Jul-48 and TT 8999 withdrawn, body broken-up at Lancing
w/e 25-Sep-48 and underframe sent to Hassocks 28-Sep-48, later cut-up at
Angerstein Wharf? w/e 4-Dec-48.
TT 10408 formed into 4 SUB 4192 Jan-49. |
1054 |
Set
not one reformed with LSWR coach pre-war, but TT 9056 withdrawn
29-Oct-41 and body grounded at Fratton for Fire Watchers 5-Nov-41. Replaced
by TT 9291 (ex. 1185), a 9‑compartment ex. LBSCR AC coach
conversion. This coach was a former ‘CP’ MBT converted to DC operation at
Lancing Mar-30. Then seating ninety, it now weighed 24 tons and was
57' 7" long, the overall length of this set remaining unchanged at
115' 2" as it remained loose‑coupled. Set was non-standard in
weight at 49 tons 17cwt and now seated one-hundred & eighty third-class. Set
damaged by F/B (V1 flying bomb) blast at New Cross Gate 2-Jul-44, repaired at
Selhurst. Set disbanded 29-Jun-46 and TT 9048 withdrawn, (body
disposal unknown). Underframe cut-up at New Cross Gate
w/e 19-Oct-46. TT 9291 scrapped at New Cross Gate
w/e 21-Dec-46. |
1055 |
Set
withdrawn 11-Dec-40 after enemy action damage, (location unknown) by
20-Nov-40. Underframe of TT 9198 stored until cut‑up at Lancing
w/e 3-Nov-51 and body also dealt-with there
4-Dec-40. Body of TT 9115 also broken‑up at Lancing 4-Dec-40 and
the underframe cut‑up 9-Apr-41. |
1059 |
Set
withdrawn 16-Feb-44 and TT 9012 grounded at Southampton Old Docks for
Admiralty use. Underframe
cut‑up 2-Dec-44. TT 9194 formed into 4 SUB 4151 Jul-44. Body
of 9012 moved to Fullerton Sep-44. |
1061 |
Set
damaged by enemy action at Loco Jct. near Vauxhall 24-Feb-44 and TT 9063
body wrecked and broken‑up on site and coach withdrawn 1-Apr-44,
underframe cut‑up 30-Sep-44 (location
unknown). After repairs, TT 10418 formed into 4 SUB unit no.4154
from 1-Nov-44. |
1064 |
Set
disbanded 26-Sep-47 and TT 9071 withdrawn, body broken‑up at
Lancing 15-Nov-47 and underframe sent to Selhurst 19-Nov-47, later cut‑up
at Angerstein Wharf w/e 20-Mar-48.
TT 9188 formed into 4 SUB unit no.4186 Jun-48. |
1067 |
Set
disbanded Mar-46 and TT 9030 withdrawn, body broken‑up at New
Cross Gate w/e 30-Mar-46 and underframe also cut-up there w/e 12-Oct-46. TT 9207 formed into
4 SUB unit no.4169 from 30-Sep-46. |
1068 |
Set
disbanded 5-Jul-48 and TT 9109 withdrawn and body broken‑up at
Lancing w/e 25-Sep-48. Underframe sent to Hassocks 28-Sep-48, later cut‑up
at Angerstein Wharf? w/e 4-Dec-48.
TT 9206 formed into 4 SUB unit no.4193 Jan-49. |
1070 |
Set
disbanded 7-Dec-46 and TT 9021 withdrawn, (body disposal unknown).
Underframe cut‑up at Mitcham 29-Mar-47. TT 9191 formed into
4 SUB unit no.4173 from 29-Apr-47. |
1071 |
Set
slightly damaged by F/B (V1 flying bomb) blast at Cannon Street 23-Jul-44,
repaired at Slades Green. Set
disbanded 12-Jan-46 and TT 9066 withdrawn, body broken‑up at Slades Green c.Apr‑46. Disposal
of underframe unknown. TT 9190 formed into 4 SUB unit no.4166
from 21-May-46. |
1072 |
Set
disbanded 25-Aug-45 and TT 9018 withdrawn, body broken‑up at New Cross Gate
w/e 27-Oct-45 and underframe cut-up at Mitcham w/e 3-Nov-45.
TT 9201 formed into 4 SUB unit no.4161 Nov-45. |
1073 |
Set
withdrawn 15-Sep-43 and body of TT 9072 grounded at Sutton for
Home Guard, underframe cut‑up 10-Nov-43 (location unknown). TT 9199 formed into 4 SUB unit
no.4148 from 20-Aug-43. |
1078 |
Set
disbanded 29-Jul-48 and TT 9092 withdrawn, body broken‑up at
Lancing w/e 28-Aug-48 and underframe sent to Angerstein
Wharf 30-Aug-48 and cut-up there w/e 11-Sep-48.
TT 9078 formed into 4 SUB unit no.4190 c.Nov‑48. |
1081 |
Set
damaged by enemy action at Victoria 9-Oct-40 but repaired. Set
disbanded 23-Sep-44 and TT 9099 withdrawn, body broken‑up at
New Cross Gate 16-Dec-44 and underframe cut‑up at Mitcham
30-Dec-44. TT 9827 formed into 4 SUB unit no.4153 from 18-Oct-44. |
1082 |
Set
disbanded Dec‑44 and TT 9074 scrapped at New Cross Gate
w/e 16-Dec-44. TT 10412 formed into 4 SUB unit no.4158 Jul-45. |
1084 |
Set
disbanded 25-May-46 and TT 9098 withdrawn and scrapped at
New Cross Gate w/e 3-Aug-46. TT 9828 formed into
4 SUB unit no.4170 from Nov-46. |
1085 |
Set
damaged by enemy action (location unknown, possibly Chelsfield 4-Nov-40)
and withdrawn 11-Dec-40. TT 9037 broken‑up (on site?) 4-Nov-40, Body of TT 9830 broken‑up at New
Cross Gate 6-Nov-40, and underframe stored until cut‑up at Lancing
w/e 3-Nov-51. |
1086 |
Set
damaged in collision at Waterloo 12-Nov-42 and withdrawn 18-Nov-42.
TT 9038 grounded at Wimbledon for Home Guard, underframe cut‑up
29-Jul-44 (location unknown).
TT 10414 formed into 4 SUB unit no.4146 from 17-Mar-43. |
1087 |
Set
disbanded 8-Feb-47 and TT 9044 withdrawn, body broken‑up at
Lancing 14-Jun-47 and underframe sent to Mitcham 16-Jun-47 and cut‑up there w/e 21-Jun-47. TT 9175 formed into
4 SUB unit no.4177 from 25-Jul-47. |
1090 |
TT 9075
damaged in collision at Selhurst depot 7-Feb-48 and set withdrawn
4-May-48. Body of TT 9075 broken‑up at Lancing w/e 12-Jun-48
and underframe sent to Mitcham 10-Jun-48 and cut‑up there
w/e 19-Jun-48. TT 10404 formed into 4 SUB unit no.4188 Oct-48. |
1092 |
Set
disbanded 26-Jun-47 and TT 9017 withdrawn, body broken‑up at
Lancing w/e 12-Jul-47 and underframe sent to Mitcham that day, cut‑up there w/e 19-Jul-47. TT 9189 formed into 4 SUB
unit no.4180 from 31-Oct-47. |
1093 |
Set
withdrawn 22-Sep-43 and body of TT 9102 grounded at Eastleigh Works
for C&W Dept. use, underframe cut‑up at New Cross Gate
4-Mar-44. TT 10401 formed into 4 SUB unit no.4149 from 1-Sep-43. |
1095 |
Set
disbanded 21-Sep-46 and TT 9094 withdrawn, body disposal unknown
possibly New Cross Gate, underframe cut‑up at Mitcham
w/e 9-Nov-46. TT 9829 formed into 4 SUB unit no.4168 Sep-46. |
1096 |
Set
disbanded Feb-47 and TT 9104 withdrawn, (disposal of body unknown),
underframe cut-up at Hoo Jct. w/e 19-Jul-47.
TT 9196 formed into 4 SUB unit no.4175 Jun-47. |
1097 |
Set
withdrawn 23-Sep-42 and body of TT 9122 grounded at Durnsford
Road Depot as CM&EE timber store 9-Dec-42, underframe cut‑up at
New Cross Gate 13-Jan-43. TT 9187 formed into 4 SUB unit
no.4140 from 4-Jan-43. |
1098 |
Set
disbanded 1-Mar-47 and TT 9022 withdrawn, body broken‑up at
Lancing w/e 29-Mar-47 and underframe sent to Eastleigh 1-Apr-47, later
cut‑up at Mitcham w/e 21-Jun-47. TT 9298 formed into
4 SUB unit no.4176 from 25-Jul-47. |
1099 |
Set
withdrawn 21-Apr-43 and body of TT 9049 grounded at Wimbledon Park
for Home Guard Aug-43, underframe cut‑up at
New Cross Gate 29-Dec-43. TT 10407 formed into 4 SUB unit
no.4143 from 2-Jul-43. |
1103 |
Set
disbanded 7-Oct-44 and TT 9046 withdrawn and scrapped at
New Cross Gate 19-Dec-44. TT 9208 formed into 4 SUB unit
no.4155 from 29-Dec-44. |
1104 |
Set
damaged by F/B (V1 flying bomb) blast at Charing Cross 18-Jun-44, repaired at
Selhurst from 22-Jun-44. Set disbanded 7-Oct-44 and TT 9033 withdrawn
and scrapped at New Cross Gate w/e 9-Dec-44. TT 10416
already formed into 4 SUB unit no.4152 from Aug-44. |
1108 |
Set
withdrawn 3-Jun-42 and body of TT 9050 broken‑up at
Hampton Court, underframe cut‑up at New Cross Gate
7-Jul-43. TT 10405 formed into 4 SUB unit no.4134 from 19-Sep-42. |
1111 |
Set
disbanded 4-May-48 and TT 9126 withdrawn, body broken‑up at
Lancing 22-May-48 and underframe sent to Mitcham 26-May-48 and cut‑up there w/e 29-May-48. TT 9184 formed into
4 SUB unit no.4189 Oct-48. |
1112 |
TT 9124
damaged (probably by enemy action) and body repaired and mounted onto
underframe of 9128 (ex. 1116) 9-Sep-42. Original underframe cut‑up
29-Jul-42 at Lancing. Set disbanded
26-Aug-47 and TT 9124 withdrawn, body broken‑up at Lancing
1-Nov-47 and underframe sent to Mitcham 3-Nov-47 and cut‑up there w/e 15-Nov-47. TT 9185 formed into
4 SUB unit no.4184 Dec-47. |
1113 |
Set
withdrawn 18-Nov-42 and body of TT 9125 grounded at Tonbridge for Home
Guard, underframe cut‑up at
New Cross Gate 17-Mar-43. TT 9186 formed into 4 SUB
unit no.4142 from 19-Feb-43. |
1115 |
Set
damaged by enemy bombing at Durnsford Road
8-Sep-40, repaired at the depot. Set
withdrawn 28-Oct-42 and body of TT 9129 grounded at Ashford works for
fire prevention 17-Feb-43, underframe cut‑up at New Cross Gate
24-Feb-43. TT 9170 formed into 4 SUB unit no.4141 Jan-43. |
1116 |
Set
withdrawn 14-Apr-42 and body of TT 9128 grounded at Lancing works
for wartime use 20-May-42, underframe used in repair of 9124 (1112) from
9-Sep-42. TT 9173 formed into 4 SUB unit no.4136 from
14-Oct-42. |
1117 |
Set
disbanded 31-Jan-45 and TT 9127 withdrawn and scrapped at Slades Green. TT 9168 formed into 4 SUB
unit no.4157 Mar-45. |
Central
Section Stock
Sets 1121-1167
The Central Section
electrification scheme of 1928 /1929 required a large increase in the amount of
DC electric stock to operate the new services covering the extension of
electrification and the simultaneous conversion of the ex. LBSCR ‘AC’ system to
DC operation.
3 Car Motor Units nos.1601-1701
were authorised comprising three batches of units converted from ex. SECR, LBSCR
and LSWR steam hauled stock respectively and a similar conversion of ex. SECR
and LSWR steam hauled suburban coaches displaced by the 1925 electrifications
on both sections were used to form forty‑seven two-coach Trailer Sets
numbered 1121-1167 ordered to H.O. 214.
These Trailer Sets consisted of
one ex. SECR 8‑compartment 46' bogie coach close‑coupled to an
11‑compartment ex. LSWR coach, a former 51' 7” compartment Brake
Third mounted onto a new SR 62' 0" underframe from Lancing with four
additional compartments added, two replacing the former brakevan
area.
Conversion work was carried out
at Ashford works and electrical work at Brighton, the ex. SECR coaches being
little altered and being similar internally to the ‘1401’ batch of 3 Car Motor
Units. These vehicles had been constructed between 1900 and 1907, some at
Ashford, some from MRC&W and others from ORC&W, and
were 46' long over bodywork and seated eighty third-class with each compartment
being 5' 7½" wide. Weighing 22 tons 9cwt all coaches were to
diagram number 725. Bogie centres were at 31' 0" inset
7' 5½" from the coach end.
The ex. LSWR coaches were
rebuilt from 7‑compartment Brake Thirds with two additional compartments
added at one end and two replacing the brakevan area.
Seven compartments were 5' 6" wide and the
four new ones (at the outer end of the set) were 5' 6½" wide. These
coaches had all been built at Eastleigh between 1902 and 1912 as the end
vehicles of bogie-block suburban trains and already had a close-coupling
arrangement at the non-brakevan end. These coaches
seated one-hundred & ten third-class, weighed 26 tons 6cwt and were to
diagram number 727. Overall set capacity was therefore one-hundred & ninety
third-class; the sets were 113' 8" long and weighed 48¾ tons. The
SECR coach in set 1127 had matchboarded sides on
conversion, probably fitted during a repair in the early 1920's.
The usual other alterations
involved modifying the coupling to the centre- buffer and three link chain at the middle of the set, conversion of braking to the
Westinghouse air system, installation of electric heating, alteration of the
lighting to work from the adjacent 3 Car Motor Unit and fitting of jumper
cables & connections at set ends. Installation of through cabling and local
control of heating and lighting was also carried out. The 8‑compartment
coaches were those fitted with centre-buffers whilst the 11‑compartment
coaches were fitted with rubbing plates.
Non-smoking compartments were
located as the third from each end of the 8‑compartment coaches and the
fourth/fifth from each end of the 11‑compartment coaches.
These sets began to be withdrawn
during the war and the ex. SECR vehicles scrapped, their bodies mostly at
Lancing and the underframes in the London area, though a number were grounded
for wartime use as ARP and Home Guard hutments. The ex. LSWR coaches were
mostly reformed into 3 Car Motor Units, the augmented 4 SUB then being
renumbered into the 42xx series. Their tare weigh was amended to 28 tons when
modified for use in 4 SUB units.
Set no. |
To traffic |
8-compt. |
11-compt. |
Date |
11-compt. coach to 4 SUB |
Diag. No. |
|
725 |
727 |
|
|
1121 |
22-Mar-28 |
8975 |
9209 |
9-Jul-47 |
4240 |
1122 |
22-Mar-28 |
8976 |
9210 |
19-Mar-46 |
4228 |
1123 |
5-Apr-28 |
8977 |
9211 |
28-Apr-43 |
4217 |
1124 |
22-Mar-28 |
8978 |
9212 |
9-Jul-47 |
4236 |
1125 |
22-Mar-28 |
8979 |
9213 |
23-Sep-42 |
4199 |
1126 |
16-Apr-28 |
8980 |
9214 |
3-Apr-42 |
4198 |
1127 |
4-Apr-28 |
8981 |
9215 |
22-Sep-43 |
4202 |
1128 |
26-Apr-28 |
8982 |
9216 |
4-May-48 |
4245 |
1129 |
31-May-28 |
8983 |
9217 |
25-Sep-40 |
4197 |
1130 |
13-May-28 |
8984 |
9218 |
8-Feb-47 |
4235 |
1131 |
5-Jun-28 |
8985 |
9219 |
22-Sep-43 |
4223 |
1132 |
7-Jun-28 |
8986 |
9220 |
22-Sep-43 |
4222 |
1133 |
12-Jun-28 |
8987 |
9221 |
9-Dec-47 |
4233 |
1134 |
5-Jun-28 |
8988 |
9222 |
22-Sep-43 |
4221 |
1135 |
31-May-28 |
8989 |
9223 |
26-Sep-47 |
4238 |
1136 |
21-May-28 |
8990 |
9224 |
9-Dec-47 |
4234 |
1137 |
3-May-28 |
8991 |
9225 |
26-Sep-47 |
4231 |
1138 |
18-Apr-28 |
8992 |
9226 |
2-Dec-44 |
4227 |
1139 |
30-Apr-28 |
8993 |
|
16-Feb-44 |
4204 |
1140 |
24-May-28 |
8994 |
9228 |
9-Mar-46 |
4209 |
1141 |
21-May-28 |
8995 |
9229 |
16-Feb-44 |
4226 |
1142 |
25-May-28 |
8996 |
9230 |
9-Jul-47 |
4241 |
1143 |
25-May-28 |
8997 |
9231 |
22-Sep-43 |
4218 |
1144 |
16-Apr-28 |
8998 |
9232 |
31-Mar-43 |
4200 |
1145 |
10-May-28 |
9133 |
9233 |
1-Jul-47 |
4212 |
1146 |
15-Nov-28 |
9134 |
9234 |
9-Jul-47 |
4237 |
1147 |
26-Nov-28 |
9135 |
9235 |
18-Nov-42 |
4216 |
1148 |
22-Jan-29 |
9136 |
9236 |
Jan-46 |
4207 |
1149 |
1-Nov-28 |
9137 |
9237 |
19-Jul-47 |
4213 |
1150 |
22-Jan-29 |
9138 |
9238 |
1-Apr-44 |
4205 |
1151 |
18-Jan-29 |
9139 |
9239 |
21-Sep-46 |
4210 |
1152 |
19-Jan-29 |
|
9240 |
29-Jul-48 |
4248 |
1153 |
21-Dec-28 |
9141 |
9241 |
23-Mar-46 |
4208 |
1154 |
2-Jan-29 |
9142 |
9242 |
15-Sep-43 |
4220 |
1155 |
14-Dec-28 |
9143 |
9243 |
30-Jun-48 |
4247 |
1156 |
19-Feb-29 |
9144 |
9244 |
4-May-48 |
4244 |
1157 |
21-Feb-29 |
9145 |
9245 |
22-Sep-43 |
4219 |
1158 |
12-Feb-29 |
9146 |
9246 |
26-Aug-47 |
4232 |
1159 |
14-Feb-29 |
9147 |
9247 |
20-Nov-40 |
- |
1160 |
15-Feb-29 |
9148 |
9248 |
27-Apr-46 |
4229 |
1161 |
19-Jan-29 |
9149 |
9249 |
22-Dec-43 |
4224 |
1162 |
15-Feb-29 |
9150 |
9250 |
4-May-48 |
4246 |
1163 |
18-Feb-29 |
9151 |
9251 |
22-Sep-43 |
4203 |
1164 |
13-Feb-29 |
9152 |
9252 |
9-Jul-47 |
4214 |
1165 |
21-Feb-29 |
9153 |
9253 |
26-Aug-47 |
4239 |
1166 |
19-Feb-29 |
9154 |
9254 |
16-Jun-43 |
4201 |
1167 |
21-Feb-29 |
9155 |
9255 |
20-Aug-47 |
4216 |
Footnote |
|
36 |
Replacement
for original vehicle, ex. LBSCR 9-compartment conversion, diagram no.737. |
Individual
Set Notes
Note |
A number of coaches are shewn as disposed of by ‘London Bridge’,
it is believed that the job of breaking these was allocated to London Bridge
C&W and was carried out in the London area (possibly at Ewer Street or
Rotherhithe Road?) though breaking-up is unlikely to have been carried
out at London Bridge itself. |
Set |
|
1121 |
Set
commenced service 22-Mar-28. Set
disbanded 9-Jul-47 and TT 8975 withdrawn, body broken‑up at
Lancing 22-Nov-47 and underframe sent to Mitcham 25-Nov-47 and cut-up there w/e 6-Dec-47. TT 9209 formed into
4 SUB unit no.4240 May-48. |
1122 |
Set
commenced service 22-Mar-28. Set
damaged when train it was formed in was in collision with ‘C’ class loco 1589
near Mottingham 19-Mar-46 and TT 8976
withdrawn and broken-up on site. TT 9210 repaired and formed into
4 SUB unit no.4228 from 16-Oct-46. |
1123 |
Set
commenced service 5-Apr-28. Set
withdrawn 28-Apr-43, TT 8977 grounded at Yeovil Jct. for
Home Guard and underframe cut‑up at New Cross Gate
9-Jun-43. TT 9211 formed in 4 SUB unit no.4217 from 18-May-43. |
1124 |
Set
commenced service 22-Mar-28. Set
disbanded 9-Jul-47 and TT 8978 withdrawn, body broken‑up at
Lancing 22-Nov-47 and underframe sent to Mitcham 2-Dec-47 and cut-up there w/e 6-Dec-47. TT 9212 formed into
4 SUB unit no.4236 Mar-48. |
1125 |
Set
commenced service 22-Mar-28. Set
withdrawn 23-Sep-42, TT 8979 grounded at Staines for Home Guard,
underframe cut‑up at New Cross Gate 21-Apr-43. TT 9213
formed in 4 SUB unit no.4199 from 21-Dec-42. |
1126 |
Set
commenced service 16-Apr-28. Set
withdrawn 3-Apr-42, TT 8980 grounded at Lancing Works for wartime
purposes and underframe cut‑up there 27-May-42. TT 9214 formed
into 4 SUB unit no.4198 from 26-Nov-42. |
1127 |
Set
commenced service 4-Apr-28. Set
withdrawn 22-Sep-43, TT 8981 grounded at Bevois Park
for C&W Dept, underframe cut‑up at New Cross Gate
29-Dec-43. TT 9215 formed into 4 SUB unit no.4202 from 18-Nov-43. |
1128 |
Set
commenced service 26-Apr-28. Set
damaged by F/B (V1 flying bomb) blast at New Cross Gate 2-Jul-44, repaired at
the depot. Set disbanded 4-May-48 and TT 8982 withdrawn, body broken‑up
at Lancing 22-May-48 and underframe sent to Mitcham 26-May-48 and cut‑up
there w/e 5-Jun-48. TT 9216 formed into
4 SUB unit no.4245 Sep-48. |
1129 |
Set
commenced service 31-May-28. TT 8983
damaged by enemy incendiaries at Victoria 8-Sep-40 and set withdrawn
25-Sep-40. Body of 8983 broken‑up at Brighton 23-Oct-40 and underframe
cut‑up 5-Mar-41 at Lancing. TT 9217 formed into 4 SUB unit
no.4197 from 23-Nov-42 after repairs at Eastleigh. |
1130 |
Set
commenced service 13-May-28. Set
disbanded 8-Feb-47 and TT 8984 withdrawn, body broken‑up at
Lancing 31-May-47 and underframe cut‑up at Mitcham 14-Jun-47.
TT 9218 formed into 4 SUB unit no.4235 from 26-Aug-47. |
1131 |
Set
commenced service 5-Jun-28. TT 9219
blast damaged near Hampton Wick 16-Aug-40, repaired at Durnsford
Road. Set
withdrawn 22-Sep-43, TT 8985 grounded at Redhill for L.A.A. (light
anti-aircraft) and underframe cut‑up at Mitcham 9-Sep-44. TT 9219
formed into 4 SUB unit no.4223 from 17-Dec-43. |
1132 |
Set
commenced service 7-Jun-28. Set
withdrawn 22-Sep-43, TT 8986 grounded at Basingstoke for Home Guard
and underframe cut‑up at New Cross Gate 4-Mar-44.
TT 9220 formed into 4 SUB unit no.4222 from 25-Nov-43. |
1133 |
Set
commenced service 12-Jun-28. Set
damaged by F/B (V1 flying bomb) blast at Cannon Street 23-Jul-44, repair details unknown. Set
disbanded 9-Dec-47 and TT 8987 withdrawn, body broken‑up at
Lancing 29-Nov-47 and underframe sent to Mitcham 5-Dec-47 and cut‑up there w/e 3-Jan-48. TT 9221 formed into
4 SUB unit no.4233 Mar-48. |
1134 |
Set
commenced service 5-Jun-28. Set
slightly damaged by enemy bombing at Gillingham depot 6-Nov-40, repair details unknown. Set
withdrawn 22-Sep-43, TT 8988 grounded at Eastleigh as Stores staff
accommodation and underframe cut‑up at Mitcham 26-May-45. TT 9222
formed into 4 SUB unit no.4221 Oct-43. |
1135 |
Set
commenced service 31-May-28. Set
disbanded 26-Sep-47 and TT 8989 withdrawn, body broken‑up at
Lancing 15-Nov-47 and underframe sent to Mitcham 25-Nov-47 and cut‑up there w/e 6-Dec-47. TT 9223 formed into
4 SUB unit no.4238 from Mar-48. |
1136 |
Set
commenced service 21-May-28. Set
disbanded 9-Dec-47 and TT 8990 withdrawn, body broken‑up at
Lancing 29-Nov-47 and underframe sent to Mitcham 5-Dec-47 and cut‑up there w/e 3-Jan-48. TT 9224 formed into
4 SUB unit no.4234 May-48. |
1137 |
Set
commenced service 3-May-28. Set
disbanded 26-Sep-47 and TT 8991 withdrawn, body broken‑up at
Lancing w/e 1-Nov-47 and underframe sent to Mitcham 3-Nov-47 and cut‑up
there w/e 15-Nov-47. TT 9225 formed into
4 SUB unit no.4231 Dec-47. |
1138 |
Set
commenced service 18-Apr-28. Set
withdrawn 2-Dec-44 (possibly as result of V2 explosion at New Cross
Gate 25-Nov-44) and TT 8992 scrapped at New Cross Gate
w/e 30-Dec-44. TT 9226 formed into 4 SUB unit no.4227 from
1-Dec-44. |
1139 |
Set
commenced service 30-Apr-28. TT 9227
destroyed by enemy action at Selhurst depot 14-Oct-40 and withdrawn
20-Nov-40. Replaced by TT 9247 (ex. 1159) c.Nov‑40.
Set
damaged again by enemy action at Slades Green
4-Feb-44 and TT 8993 damaged and set withdrawn 16-Feb-44. Body of
TT 8993 grounded at Southampton Old Docks for Admiralty, underframe cut‑up
at New Cross Gate 19-Aug-44. TT 9247 formed into 4 SUB
unit no.4204 1-May-44 after repairs. |
1140 |
Set
commenced service 24-May-28. Set
disbanded 9-Mar-46 and TT 8994 withdrawn, body broken‑up at
Lancing 31-May-47 and underframe cut‑up at Mitcham 14-Jun-47.
TT 9228 formed into 4 SUB unit no.4209 from 14-Nov-46. |
1141 |
Set
commenced service 21-May-28. Set
withdrawn 16-Feb-44, TT 8995 grounded at St Denys 6‑44 for
Home Guard and broken-up Jul-46. Underframe cut‑up at Mitcham
w/e 26-May-45. TT 9229 formed into 4 SUB unit no.4226 from
9-May-44. |
1142 |
Set
commenced service 25-May-28. Set
disbanded 9-Jul-47 and TT 8996 withdrawn, body broken‑up at
Lancing 22-Nov-47 and underframe sent to Mitcham 25-Nov-47 and cut‑up there w/e 6-Dec-47. TT 9230 formed into
4 SUB unit no.4241 from Jun-48. |
1143 |
Set
commenced service 25-May-28. Set
withdrawn 22-Sep-43, TT 8997 grounded at Eastleigh Loco Works for Stores
staff accommodation. Underframe
cut‑up at Mitcham w/e 26-May-45. TT 9231 formed into
4 SUB unit no.4218 from 24-Sep-43. |
1144 |
Set
commenced service 16-Apr-28. Set
withdrawn 31-Mar-43, TT 8998 grounded at Yeovil Jct. for
Home Guard, underframe cut‑up at New Cross Gate
9-Jun-43. TT 9232 formed into 4 SUB unit no.4200 from 25-May-43. |
1145 |
Set
commenced service 10-May-28. Both
coaches machine-gunned near Hampton Wick 16-Aug-40, repaired at Durnsford Road. Set
disbanded 1-Jul-47 and TT 9133 withdrawn, body broken‑up at
Lancing w/e 19-Jul-47 and underframe sent to Mitcham that day and cut‑up
there w/e 2-Aug-47. TT 9233 formed into
4 SUB unit unit no.4212 from 31-Oct-47. |
1146 |
Set
commenced service 15-Nov-28. Set
disbanded 9-Jul-47 and TT 9134 withdrawn, body broken‑up at
Lancing 22-Nov-47, underframe sent to Mitcham 2-Dec-47 and cut‑up there w/e 6-Dec-47. TT 9234 formed into
4 SUB unit no.4237 Mar-48 |
1147 |
Set
commenced service 26-Nov-28. Set
damaged in collision at Waddon 4-Nov-42 between
units nos.1633 and 1688 and withdrawn 18-Nov-42, TT 9135 grounded at
Selhurst depot for Allotment Holders Association, disposal of underframe unknown. TT 9235 formed into
4 SUB unit no.4216 from 21-Jan-43 after repairs. |
1148 |
Set
commenced service 22-Jan-29. Set
disbanded Jan-46 (after damage?) and TT 9136 withdrawn, body
broken‑up at New Cross Gate w/e 12-Oct-46 and underframe
cut‑up at Mitcham w/e 9-Nov-46. TT 9236 formed into
4 SUB unit no.4207 from 23-Jul-46. |
1149 |
Set
commenced service 1-Nov-28. Set
damaged by F/B (V1 flying bomb) blast at Strawberry Hill 21-Aug-44, repair details unknown. Set
disbanded 19-Jul-47 and TT 9137 withdrawn, body broken‑up at
Lancing w/e 16-Aug-47 and underframe sent to Mitcham 26-Aug-47 and cut‑up
there w/e 30-Aug-47. TT 9237 formed into
4 SUB unit no.4213 at Eastleigh from Dec-47. |
1150 |
Set
commenced service 22-Jan-29. Set
withdrawn 1-Apr-44, TT 9138 taken to Southampton Old Docks for Admiralty
28-May-44. TT 9238 formed into 4 SUB unit no.4205 Jul-44.
TT 9138 moved to Fullerton Sep-44 and later to New Cross Gate where body
broken‑up w/e 2-Dec-44, the underframe later being also cut‑up
there w/e 10-Feb-45. |
1151 |
Set
commenced service 18-Jan-29. Set
withdrawn 21-Sep-46 and TT 9139 withdrawn, (disposal of body unknown),
underframe cut‑up by ‘London Bridge’
w/e 17-Dec-49. TT 9239 formed into 4 SUB unit no.4210 from
4-Feb-47. |
1152 |
Set
commenced service 19-Jan-29. TT 9140
damaged in collision at Epsom Downs 13-Aug-37 and withdrawn, broken‑up
on site 16-Aug-37. Replaced from May-38 by a new conversion with same number,
an ex. LBSCR coach now rebuilt with nine compartments and seating ninety
third-class, set now seated two-hundred third-class, was 121' 6"
long and weighed 49 tons 14cwt. Set
disbanded 29-Jul-48 and TT 9140 withdrawn, body broken‑up at
Lancing w/e 28-Aug-48 and underframe sent to Angerstein
Wharf 30-Aug-48 and cut-up there w/e 11-Sep-48.
TT 9240 formed into 4 SUB unit no.4248 Jan-49. |
1153 |
Set
commenced service 21-Dec-28. Set
disbanded 23-Mar-46 and TT 9141 withdrawn, body broken‑up at
Mitcham Jct. (no date) and underframe cut‑up at
New Cross Gate w/e 12-Oct-46. TT 9241 formed into
4 SUB unit no.4208 from 11-Sep-46. |
1154 |
Set
commenced service 2-Jan-29. Set
withdrawn 15-Sep-43, TT 9142 grounded at Brighton Top Yard for fire
prevention, underframe cut‑up 10-Nov-43. TT 9242 formed into
4 SUB unit no.4220 Oct-43. |
1155 |
Set
commenced service 14-Dec-28. Set
disbanded 30-Jun-48 and TT 9143 withdrawn, body broken‑up at
Lancing w/e 24-Jul-48 and underframe sent to Eastleigh 24-Jul-48, later
cut‑up at Angerstein Wharf
w/e 30-Oct-48. TT 9243 formed into 4 SUB unit no.4247 Dec-48. |
1156 |
Set
commenced service 19-Feb-29. Set
disbanded 4-May-48 and TT 9144 withdrawn, body broken‑up at
Lancing w/e 29-May-48 and underframe sent to Eastleigh 24-Jun-48, later
cut‑up at Angerstein Wharf
w/e 30-Oct-48. TT 9244 formed into 4 SUB unit no.4244 Oct-48. |
1157 |
Set
commenced service 21-Feb-29. Set
withdrawn 22-Sep-43, TT 9145 grounded at Bevois Park
for C&W Dept, underframe cut‑up at New Cross Gate
29-Dec-43. TT 9245 formed into 4 SUB unit no.4219 at Eastleigh
Oct-43. |
1158 |
Set
commenced service 12-Feb-29. Set
disbanded 26-Aug-47 and TT 9146 withdrawn, body broken‑up at
Lancing 6-Dec-47, underframe sent to Mitcham 5-Dec-47 and cut‑up there w/e 3-Jan-48. TT 9246 formed into
4 SUB unit no.4232 from Dec-47. |
1159 |
Set
commenced service 14-Feb-29. TT 9147
damaged by enemy action (possibly at Selhurst depot 14-Oct-40)
and withdrawn 20-Nov-40. TT 9247 to 1139. Body of TT 9147 broken-up
in Selhurst area 4-Dec-40, underframe cut‑up at Lancing 11-Apr-41. |
1160 |
Set
commenced service 15-Feb-29. Set
disbanded 27-Apr-46 (possibly after damage?) and TT 9148
withdrawn, body broken‑up at Selhurst and underframe cut‑up at
Mitcham (no dates). TT 9248 formed into 4 SUB unit no.4229
from 26-Sep-46. |
1161 |
Set
commenced service 19-Jan-29. Set withdrawn 22-Dec-43, TT 9149 grounded
at Plymouth Friary Jan-44 and scrapped by 13-May-44, disposal of underframe unknown, possibly
at New Cross Gate 13-May-44. TT 9249 formed into 4 SUB unit
no.4224 Jan-44. |
1162 |
Set
commenced service 15-Feb-29. Set
disbanded 4-May-48 but probably out of use by February 1948 and TT 9150
withdrawn, body broken‑up at Lancing w/e 12-Jun-48 and underframe
sent to Mitcham 10-Jun-48 and cut‑up there
w/e 19-Jun-48. TT 9250 formed into 4 SUB unit no.4246 Nov-48. |
1163 |
Set
commenced service 18-Feb-29. Set
withdrawn 22-Sep-43, TT 9151 grounded at Three Bridges for L.A.A.
underframe cut‑up at Mitcham 9-Sep-44. TT 9251 formed into 4‑SUB
unit no.4203 from 10-Dec-43. |
1164 |
Set
commenced service 13-Feb-29. Set
disbanded 9-Jul-47 and TT 9152 withdrawn, body broken‑up at
Lancing 29-Nov-47, underframe sent to Mitcham 5-Dec-47 and cut‑up there w/e 3-Jan-48. TT 9252 formed into
4 SUB unit no.4214 Dec-47. |
1165 |
Set
commenced service 21-Feb-29. Set
disbanded 26-Aug-47 and TT 9153 withdrawn, body broken‑up at
Lancing 22-Nov-47 and underframe sent to Mitcham 25-Nov-47 and cut‑up there w/e 6-Dec-47. TT 9253 formed into
4 SUB unit no.4239 from Mar-48. |
1166 |
Set
commenced service 19-Feb-29. Set
withdrawn 16-Jun-43, TT 9154 grounded at Twickenham for Home Guard,
underframe cut‑up at New Cross Gate 29-Dec-43. TT 9254
formed into 4 SUB unit no.4201 from 20-Jul-43. |
1167 |
Set
commenced service 21-Feb-29. Set
disbanded 20-Aug-47 and TT 9155 withdrawn, body broken‑up at
Lancing w/e 25-Oct-47 and underframe sent to Mitcham 10-Oct-47 and cut‑up
there w/e 25-Oct-47. TT 9255 formed into
4 SUB unit no.4215 Mar-48. |
1929
/1930 Stock
Sets 1168-1187
The Central Section electrifications of 1928 and 1929 steadily
displaced the ex. LBSCR ‘AC’ stock which then was stripped of its electrical
equipment at Peckham Rye. Forty of these vehicles were then converted at
Lancing works into Trailer Sets and altered to be able to work with 3 Car Motor
Units in the usual manner for Trailer Sets. Thirty‑four of these vehicles
were from ex. Crystal Palace ‘CP’ stock Motor Brake Thirds and two ex.
‘CP’ Driving Trailer Composites were also used along with four ex. Coulsdon /Wallington
‘CW’ Driving Trailer Composites.
Converted
‘CP’ Motorcoaches
The ex. ‘CP’ motorcoaches were mounted on the heavy
girder-trussed underframes which were a distinctive feature of this stock, they
originally had a cab and van area and seven third-class compartments. During
conversion, the cab and van area were altered into two further third- class
compartments giving a 9‑compartment coach seating ninety third-class.
The original seven compartments were 5' 11" wide
whilst the two additions were 5' 9" wide and were located at the
outer end of the set. Both the former motor bogies were ex. changed for LBSCR type
trailer bogies surplus from earlier conversions of ex. LBSCR vehicles for 3 Car
Motor Units.
Following conversion, these coaches weighed 26 tons 9cwt,
were 54' 0" long over bodies and 57' 7" long over buffers.
Bogie centres were at 35' 0" inset 9' 5½" from the coach
ends. Retaining their side buffers at both ends, they were loose coupled within
the set and allocated diagram number 728.
Converted
‘CP’ /’CW’ Driving Trailer Composites
Six vehicles were converted from former Driving Trailer
Composites, two from the ‘CP’ fleet and the remaining four using vehicles intended
for part of the ‘CW’ fleet, two being used instead in the ‘CP’ stock and the
remaining two (after a period in store during the war) being temporarily used
as steam hauled coaches prior to being altered back to AC operation as part of
the ‘CW’ fleet; the intended cab having opaque windows installed whilst in use
as steam stock.
As converted, the former driving cab became a 4' 0½"
wide five-seat coupe compartment, followed by three 6' 6¾" wide
compartments and five 5' 10¼" compartments, these 8½ compartment
vehicles seated eighty-five third-class, their former first- class compartments
being downgraded. Weighing 25 tons 11cwt each was also 57' 7" long; bodies
were again 54' 0" long and bogie centres were at 37' 0"
inset 8' 5½" from the coach end.
They were mounted on more conventional underframes, the two ‘CP’
vehicles being to diagram number 729, the remaining four ‘CW’ vehicles to
diagram number 730. One of these vehicles were allocated to each of sets
1181-1186 which therefore seated five fewer than the remainder. The compartment
dimensions differed slightly between the ex. ‘CP’ and ex. ‘CW’ conversions (exact
details unknown). Overall, these sets seated one-hundred & eighty
third-class, weighed 52 tons 18cwt and were 115' 2" long (with the exception of 1181-1186 which seated one-hundred
& seventy-five and weighed 52 tons).
These sets were ordered in four separate sub-batches,
H.O. 375 covering sets 1168-1178, H.O. 399 for sets 1179 & 1180,
H.O. 455 for sets 1181-1186 and H.O. 516 for set 1187 (this order also
covered set 1188 of the next batch of sets).
There were three non-smoking compartments in each coach,
arranged as the second from each end of the coaches and also
the centremost compartment.
One set was written off during the war and a further one by
accident damage, the remainder stayed in traffic until withdrawn for scrapping
between 1945 and 1948, two lasting until the end of Trailer Set workings on
26-Sep-48. Following withdrawal, some electrical stripping was carried out at
Coulsdon North and most coaches had their bodies
scrapped at Lancing and the underframes cut‑up in the London area.
Set formations were as follows, the 8½‑compartment coaches
being marked with an ‘*’
New dates are the ‘paint dates’ of the coaches released from
Lancing.
Set no. |
Date into traffic |
9-compt. |
9-compt. |
Date |
Diag. No. |
|
728 |
728 |
|
1168 |
17-Jul-29 |
9256 |
9257 |
26-Aug-47 |
1169 |
19-Jul-29 |
9258 |
9259 |
11-May-48 |
1170 |
25-Jul-29 |
9260 |
9261 |
Nov-40 |
1171 |
1-Aug-29 |
9262 |
9263 |
9-Jul-47 |
1172 |
13-Aug-29 |
9264 |
9265 |
1-Apr-47 |
1173 |
26-Aug-29 |
9266 |
9267 |
w/e 23-Mar-46 |
1174 |
27-Aug-29 |
9268 |
9269 |
4-Jan-47 |
1175 |
29-Aug-29 |
9270 |
9271 |
16-Jul-48 |
1176 |
16-Sep-29 |
9272 |
9273 |
9-Jul-47 |
1177 |
21-Sep-29 |
9274 |
9275 |
26-Aug-47 |
1178 |
21-Sep-29 |
9276 |
9277 |
Jul-48 |
1179 |
5-Dec-29 |
9278 |
9279 |
2-Oct-48 |
1180 |
6-Jan-30 |
9280 |
9281 |
9-Jul-47 |
Diag. No. |
|
730 |
728 |
|
1181 |
2-Apr-30 |
9282* |
9283 |
24-May-48 |
1182 |
31-Mar-30 |
9284* |
9285 |
19-Apr-47 |
Diag. No. |
|
729 |
728 |
|
1183 |
15-Apr-30 |
9286* |
9287 |
2-Oct-45 |
1184 |
12-Apr-30 |
9288* |
|
26-Aug-47 |
1185 |
7-Mar-30 |
9290* |
9291 |
9-Oct-40 |
1186 |
26-Mar-30 |
9292* |
9293 |
23-Jun-47 |
Diag. No. |
|
728 |
728 |
|
1187 |
23-Jul-30 |
9294 |
9295 |
1-Apr-48 |
Individual
Set Notes
Set |
|
1168 |
Set
commenced service 17-Jul-29. Set
damaged by enemy bombing at Slades Green 4-Feb-44,
repaired at the depot by 8-Feb-44. Set
withdrawn 26-Aug-47 and both bodies broken‑up at Lancing w/e 8-Nov-47.
Both underframes sent to Mitcham, 9257 on 7-Nov-47 and 9256 15-Nov-47 and cut‑up
there, that of 9256 w/e 22-Nov-47 and that of 9257 w/e 15-Nov-47. |
1169 |
Set
commenced service 19-Jul-29. Set
damaged by F/B (V1 flying bomb) blast at Strawberry Hill 21-Aug-44, repair details unknown. Set
withdrawn 11-May-48 and both bodies broken‑up at Lancing
w/e 29-May-48. Both underframes sent to Mitcham 29-May-48 and cut‑up
there w/e 5-Jun-48. |
1170 |
Set
commenced service 25-Jul-29. Set
damaged by enemy bombing at Selhurst depot 14-Oct-40 and withdrawn
20-Nov-40 and TT 9261 broken‑up. TT 9260 to 1184. |
1171 |
Set
commenced service 1-Aug-29. Set
withdrawn 9-Jul-47 and stored at Tattenham Corner,
both bodies broken‑up at Lancing 10-Jan-48. Both underframes sent to
Mitcham 16-Jan-48 and cut‑up there
w/e 6-Mar-48. |
1172 |
Set
commenced service 13-Aug-29. Set
withdrawn 1-Apr-47 and both bodies broken‑up at Lancing 19-Apr-47. Both
underframes sent to Mitcham 23-Apr-47, cut‑up there 3-May-47. |
1173 |
Set
commenced service 26-Aug-29. Set
withdrawn w/e 23-Mar-46 and both bodies broken‑up at Mitcham (no
date). Disposal details of both underframes also unknown. |
1174 |
Set
commenced service 27-Aug-29. Set
withdrawn 4-Jan-47 and both bodies broken‑up at Lancing 22-Mar-47. Both
underframes cut‑up at Mitcham, that of 9268 29-Mar-47 and that of 9269
5-Apr-47. |
1175 |
Set
commenced service 29-Aug-29. Set
stored from 9‑48 having been withdrawn 16-Jul-48 and both bodies broken‑up
at Lancing w/e 19-Mar-49. Underframe of 9271 sent to Angerstein
Wharf 16-May-49 and cut‑up there w/e 28-May-49,
that of 9270 sent to Farningham Road 1-Oct-49 and
cut-up there w/e 8-Oct-49. |
1176 |
Set
commenced service 16-Sep-29. Set
withdrawn 9-Jul-47 and both bodies broken‑up at Lancing 6-Dec-47. Both
underframes sent to Mitcham 11-Dec-47 and cut‑up there
w/e 27-Dec-47. |
1177 |
Set
commenced service 21-Sep-29. Set
withdrawn 26-Aug-47 and both bodies broken‑up at Lancing
w/e 24-Jan-48. Both underframes sent to Mitcham 28-Jan-48 and cut‑up
there, that of 9274 w/e 7-Feb-48 and that of 9275 w/e 31-Jan-48. |
1178 |
Set
commenced service 21-Sep-29. Set
withdrawn Jul-48, body of TT 9276 grounded at Eastleigh Loco Works. (three compartments still extant in 1964).
Disposal of body of 9277 unknown. Both underframes cut‑up at Angerstein Wharf? w/e 4-Dec-48. |
1179 |
Set
commenced service 5-Dec-29. Set
stored at Tattenham Corner by 13-Jul-47 and
withdrawn 2-Oct-48 and both bodies broken‑up at Lancing
w/e 16-Oct-48. Both underframes sent to Hassocks 19-Oct-48, later cut‑up
at Angerstein Wharf? w/e 4-Dec-48. |
1180 |
Set
commenced service 6-Jan-30. Set
slightly damaged by F/B (V1 flying bomb) blast at West Croydon 23-Jun-44,
repaired at Selhurst that day. Set withdrawn 9-Jul-47 and stored at Tattenham Corner, both bodies broken‑up at Lancing
w/e 17-Jan-48. Both underframes sent to Mitcham 16-Jan-48 and cut‑up
there w/e 24-Jan-48. |
1181 |
Set
commenced service 2-Apr-30. Set
damaged by H/E bomb blast near Petts Wood 26-Oct-40 but repaired. Set
withdrawn 24-May-48 and both bodies broken‑up at Lancing
w/e 19-Jun-48. Both underframes sent to Mitcham 17-Jun-48 and cut‑up
there w/e 26-Jun-48. |
1182 |
Set
commenced service 31-Mar-30. Set
damaged by F/B (V1 flying bomb) blast at Bromley South 10-Jul-44, repair details unknown. Set
withdrawn 19-Apr-47. TT 9284 body broken‑up at Lancing
w/e 17-May-47 and underframe sent to Mitcham 29-May-47 and cut-up there w/e 7-Jun-47. TT 9285 body broken‑up
at Lancing w/e 25-Oct-47 and underframe sent to Mitcham 3-Nov-47 and cut‑up
there w/e 8-Nov-47. |
1183 |
Set
commenced service 15-Apr-30. Set
withdrawn 2-Oct-45 and both bodies broken‑up at
New Cross Gate w/e 22-Dec-45. Both underframes cut‑up at
Mitcham, also w/e 22-Dec-45. |
1184 |
Set
commenced service 12-Apr-30. Set
damaged by enemy bombing at Selhurst depot 14-Oct-40 and TT 9289
withdrawn 20-Nov-40 and broken‑up, replaced by TT 9260 (ex. 1170).
Set
withdrawn 26-Aug-47 and both bodies broken‑up at Lancing
w/e 3-Jan-48. Both underframes sent to Mitcham 9-Jan-48 and cut‑up
there w/e 17-Jan-48. |
1185 |
Set
commenced service 7-Apr-30. Set
damaged in collision at Effingham Jct. 9-Oct-40 and TT 9290 withdrawn
and broken‑up on site and set disbanded. TT 9291 to 1054. |
1186 |
Set
commenced service 26-Mar-30. Set
badly damaged by F/B (V1 flying bomb) blast at Selhurst station 14-Jul-44, repair details unknown. Set
withdrawn 23-Jun-47 and both bodies broken‑up at Lancing
w/e 5-Jul-47. Both underframes sent to Mitcham 7-Jul-47 and cut‑up
there w/e 12-Jul-47. |
1187 |
Set
commenced service 23-Jul-30. Set
withdrawn 1-Apr-48 and both bodies broken‑up at Lancing
w/e 5-Jun-48. Both underframes sent to Mitcham 5-Jun-48 and cut‑up
there w/e 12-Jun-48. |
1930/1931
Stock
Sets 1188-1194
The extension of electrification
during 1930 led to the need for more Trailer Sets, one additional set (1188)
being authorised nominally for the Central Section as part of H.O. 516
(this also included set 1187 of the previous batch), and a further six as additional
stock (1189-1194) to order number H.O. 585.
These sets were resourced from
the same vehicles used in the earlier conversions in 1929 for sets 1121-1167
and were delivered in July 1930 (1188) and early in 1931. They consisted of one
ex. SECR 8‑compartment bogie coach close‑coupled to an 11‑compartment
ex. LSWR coach, a former 7‑compartment 51' bogie Brake Third mounted onto
a new SR 62' 0" underframe from Lancing with four additional
compartments added, two replacing the former brakevan
area.
Conversion work was again
carried out at Ashford works with finishing off and repainting completed at
Brighton, the ex. SECR coaches being little altered and being similar
internally to the ‘1401’ batch of 3 Car Motor Units. These vehicles had been
constructed between 1900 and 1906, mostly at Ashford though some were from
outside contractors, and were 46' long over bodywork and seated 80 third and
weighed 22 tons 9cwt and were to diagram number 725.
The ex. LSWR coaches were
rebuilt from 7‑compartment 51' Brake Thirds with four additional
compartments added at one end, two of which replaced the former brakevan area. These coaches seated one-hundred & ten
third-class and weighed 26 tons 6cwt and were to diagram number 727. Overall
set capacity was therefore one-hundred & ninety third-class. The sets were
113' 8" long and weighed 48¾ tons.
The usual other alterations
involved modifying the coupling to the centre-buffer and three-link chain at
the middle of the set, conversion of braking to the Westinghouse air system,
installation of electric heating, alteration of the lighting to work for the
adjacent 3 Car Motor Unit and fitting of jumper cables and connections at set
ends. Installation of through cabling and local control of heating and lighting
was also carried out. The 8‑compartment coaches were fitted with a centre
buffer whilst the 11‑compartment coaches were fitted with rubbing plates.
The 8‑compartment coaches
contained two non-smoking compartments located as the second from each end of
the coach whilst the 11‑compartment coach contained four, located as the
third/fourth from each end.
These sets began to be withdrawn
during the war and the ex. SECR vehicles scrapped, their bodies at Lancing and
underframes in the London area, and the ex. LSWR coaches were reformed into 3
Car Motor Units, the augmented 4 SUB then being renumbered into the 41xx
and 42xx series.
Set no. |
To traffic |
8-compt. |
11-compt. |
Date |
11-compt. |
Diag. No. |
|
725 |
727 |
|
|
1188 |
23-Jul-30 |
9296 |
9297 |
26-Jun-47 |
4211 |
1189 |
17-Feb-31 |
9156 |
9157 |
28-Jan-42 |
4195 |
1190 |
19-Feb-31 |
9158 |
9159 |
15-Feb-47 |
4230 |
1191 |
17-Feb-31 |
9160 |
9161 |
22-Dec-43 |
4225 |
1192 |
17-Feb-31 |
9162 |
9163 |
Apr-41 |
4196 |
1193 |
5-Mar-31 |
9164 |
9165 |
Nov-44 |
4206 |
1194 |
20-Mar-31 |
9166 |
9167 |
14-Jun-48 |
4243 |
Individual
Set Notes
Set |
|
1188 |
Set
commenced service 23-Jul-30. Set
disbanded 26-Jun-47 and TT 9296 withdrawn. Body broken‑up at
Lancing 12-Jul-47 and underframe sent to Mitcham that day and cut‑up
there 19-Jul-47. TT 9297 formed into 4 SUB 4211 from 31-Oct-47. |
1189 |
Set
commenced service 17-Feb-31. TT 9156
damaged in collision at Cannon Street 19-Jan-42 and withdrawn 28-Jan-42
when cut‑up. TT 9157 formed into 4 SUB 4195 from 3-Nov-42. |
1190 |
Set
commenced service 19-Feb-31. Set
disbanded 15-Feb-47 and TT 9158 withdrawn, body broken‑up at
Lancing 14-Jun-47 and underframe sent to Mitcham 16-Jun-47 and cut‑up there w/e 21-Jun-47. TT 9159 formed into
4 SUB 4230 at Selhurst from Jul-47. |
1191 |
Set
commenced service 17-Feb-31. Set
withdrawn 22-Dec-43, TT 9160 grounded at Plymouth Friary Jan-44 and
underframe cut‑up at New Cross Gate 13-May-44. TT 9161
formed into 4 SUB 4225 Feb-44. |
1192 |
Set
commenced service 17-Feb-31. Set
withdrawn Apr-41 (possible enemy action
damage at New Cross Gate 19-Mar-41?) and TT 9162 withdrawn and used
as internal user wagon 1631s at Lancing Works, and withdrawn Aug-45.
TT 9163 formed into 4 SUB unit no.4196 from 16-Nov-42. |
1193 |
Set
commenced service 5-Mar-31. Set
damaged by V2 explosion near Brockley 1-Nov-44 and TT 9164 badly damaged
and withdrawn, body broken‑up at New Cross Gate w/e 5-May-45
and underframe cut‑up at Mitcham also w/e 5-May-45. TT 9165 formed
into 4 SUB unit no.4206 from 16-May-45 after repairs. |
1194 |
Set
commenced service 20-Mar-31. Set
disbanded 14-Jun-48 and TT 9166 withdrawn, body broken‑up at
Lancing w/e 3-Jul-48 and underframe sent to Eastleigh 30-Jun-48, later
cut‑up at Angerstein Wharf
w/e 30-Oct-48. TT 9167 formed into 4 SUB unit no.4243 Oct-48. |
1934
Stock
Sets 1195-1198
To run with the eleven 3 Car Motor Units ordered during November
1933 for the Sevenoaks electrification, a further four Trailer Sets were
authorised to order number H.O. 791, these appearing in late 1934 as sets
1195-1198.
These sets were formed of two LSWR 8‑compartment bogie
Thirds built between 1894 and 1902, made up to ten compartments by a further
two added during conversion at Eastleigh where they were mounted onto new
62' 0" underframes from Lancing. The original compartments were
5' 10.3/8" wide whilst the two new ones were wider at
6' 10.7/8", these being located at the end of the coach coupled to
the outer vehicle of the set.
Each coach weighed 27 tons after conversion and seated 100
third. These sets were close‑coupled giving an overall length of
129' 3" and they had full back seating with loose cushions and seated
200 third overall, with a weight of 54 tons. They were to diagram number
numbers 731 (those fitted with rubbing plates) and 732 (those fitted with
centre-buffers). Finishing off work and repainting and renumbering was carried
out at Lancing works. Both coaches had three non-smoking compartments, these
being the three of the centremost four compartments, split two & one by a
smoking compartment.
The use of two vehicles on
62' 0" underframes made these sets longer than the earlier Trailer
Sets and when coupled to two 193' 8" 3 Car Motor Units gave an 8-coach
train a length of 516' 8" which possibly caused problems at certain
locations where platform length clearances were tight, such as the bay
platforms at St Pauls. A general review of the Trailer Sets was made and a
re-arrangement of thirty-four of the earlier sets of the 1051-1117 batch
converted in the 1925 Eastern Section electrification and formed of two ex. LBSCR
coaches loose coupled was decided upon.
It was then decided to reform
most of these sets with one ex. LBSCR conversion close coupled to a newly
converted ex. LSWR 10‑compartment conversion identical to the vehicles
converted for this batch of sets. After a very short period in their new
formations, these four sets were reformed and exchanged one of the vehicles
with one from an earlier set. The replacement vehicles for three of them were
9130 /9131 /9132 converted in 1925 for sets 1115-1117, these having been built
in 1900/1901, one at Brighton, the other two by the Birmingham Railway Carriage
& Wagon company as bogie 2nd /3rd composites.
All had been downgraded to third-class
in 1911 with each of the compartments then seating ten. These coaches were 50'
over body, 8' in width and had bogie centres at 33' and weighed 21 tons 17cwt.
The former second class compartments were
5' 8½" wide whilst the original thirds were 5' 2½" wide.
The fourth vehicle involved in
the exchange was 9027, a similar 9‑compartment LBSCR conversion though
with a slightly longer body at 54', with bogie centres at 37' and compartments
5' 10½" wide. This coach weighed 23 tons 8cwt and was included in set
1198 making it both longer and heavier than the first three.
All were modified to be
close-coupled to the ex. LSWR coach altering their diagram number numbers from
726 to 733 (coaches 9130 and 9132 fitted with rubbing plates), 726 to 734
(coach 9131 fitted with centre-buffer) and 723 to 736 (coach 9027 fitted
with centre buffer).
In their new form, these sets
now seated one-hundred & ninety, were 117' 6" long and weighed 48
tons 17cwt (except for 1198 which was 121' 6" long and weighed
50 tons 8cwt). When these sets were withdrawn the ex. LBSCR coach was
scrapped, possibly at Lancing, the ex. LSWR coach was used to augment 3 Car
Motor Units to 4‑SUB in the 41xx series; their diagram number numbers being
amended to 740 (when fitted with centre buffer) or 741 (when fitted with
rubbing plate). Coaches with the shorter underframes are marked with ‘*’ after
the vehicle number.
Set no. |
Date into Traffic |
9-compt. |
10-compt. |
Veh. exchange |
Date |
10-compt. |
Diag. No. |
|
731 |
732 |
|
|
|
1195 |
10-Oct-34 |
|
9169 |
1117 |
3-Mar-45 |
4159 |
Diag. No. |
|
731 |
732 |
|
|
|
1196 |
10-Oct-34 |
|
9171 |
1115 |
30-Nov-46 |
4174 |
Diag. No. |
|
732 |
731 |
|
|
|
1197 |
30-Oct-34 |
|
9172 |
1116 |
27-Dec-39 |
4132 |
Diag. No. |
|
732 |
731 |
|
|
|
1198 |
23-Nov-34 |
|
9174 |
1087 |
18-Feb-42 |
4133 |
Individual
Set Notes
Set |
|
1195 |
Set
commenced service 10-Oct-34. Set
disbanded w/e 3-Mar-45 and TT 9130 broken‑up at Mitcham by
that date. TT 9169 formed into 4 SUB unit no.4159 Aug-45. |
1196 |
Set
commenced service 10-Oct-34. Set
disbanded w/e 30-Nov-46 and TT 9132 withdrawn, (disposal of body
unknown). Underframe cut‑up at Mitcham w/e 29-Mar-47.
TT 9171 formed into 4 SUB unit no.4174 from 16-May-47. |
1197 |
Set
commenced service 30-Oct-34. TT 9131
damaged in collision at Shepperton 11-Sep-39 and withdrawn 1-Nov-39 when body
broken‑up Brighton. Underframe cut‑up 27-Dec-39, also at
Brighton. Set disbanded and TT 9172 formed into 4 SUB unit no.4132
from 23-Apr-42. |
1198 |
Set
commenced service 23-Nov-34. Set
withdrawn 18-Feb-42 and body of TT 9027 split in half, part grounded at
Tunbridge Wells Central Goods for fire watchers 27-May-42, the
other half at Shalford May-42 for wartime purposes,
underframe cut‑up 22-Jul-42. TT 9174 formed into 4 SUB unit
no.4133 from 23-Oct-42. |
Reformed
Sets July 1935 – July 1936
Sets 1038-1050
This batch of Trailer Sets were formed between July 1935 and
July 1936 using further newly converted ex. LSWR 8‑compartment bogie Thirds
lengthened to ten compartments during conversion at Eastleigh and mounted on
new SR underframes of 62' 0" length from Lancing. These vehicles were
to diagram numbers 731 (when fitted with rubbing plate) and 732 (when fitted
with centre-buffer). The other vehicle was an ex. LBSCR 9‑compartment
vehicle removed from one of the earlier Trailer Sets in the 1051-1117 series,
these vehicles being themselves replaced in these earlier sets by newer ex.
LSWR 10‑compartment conversions.
The vehicles were close coupled, requiring modifications to the LBSCR
vehicle which had been loose coupled in the earlier sets and a change in their
diagram numbers from 723 /724 /726 to 736 /737 /734 respectively when fitted
with centre buffers or to 735 /738 /733 respectively when fitted with rubbing
plates. As converted these sets seated 190 and were 121' 6" long and
weighed 50 tons 8cwt.
Each 9‑compartment coach retained three non-smoking
compartments located as the second from each end of the coach and the
centremost compartment, whilst the 10‑compartment coach also had three
non‑smoking compartment, these being three of the four centremost
compartments being split two & one by a smoking compartment.
Sets 1049 and 1050 both included one of the 49' body ex. LBSCR
coaches, these two sets being 117' 6" long and weighing 48
tons 17cwt. The donor sets of the ex. LBSCR coaches are shewn below. The
‘formed date’ of these sets is the date when the ex. LSWR coach was withdrawn
from traffic for conversion and the sets entered service shortly afterwards.
Planning was already underway to discontinue the use of Trailer
Sets and the onset of war accelerated these plans, with the sets being
withdrawn, the LBSCR coaches for scrapping, the bodies at Lancing and the
underframes in the London area, though some had their bodies grounded for
wartime purposes, usually ARP or Home Guard hutments. The recently converted
ex. LSWR coaches were then used to begin the augmentation programme of the 3
Car Motor Units to 4 SUB units, their diagram numbers being amended at
this time, those of 731 (rubbing plate fitted) becoming 741, those of 732
(centre buffer fitted) becoming 740.
Set no. |
To tfc |
10-compt. TT |
Coupling |
9-compt. |
9-compt. TT New Diag. No. |
9-compt. TT ex. set |
Date |
10-compt. |
Diag. No. |
|
731 |
|
See note 37 |
|
|
|
|
Diag. No. |
|
732# |
|
|
|
|
|
|
1038 |
15-Jul-36 |
|
CB-RP |
9020 |
735 |
1072 |
16-Jul-48 |
4249 |
1039 |
13-Nov-35 |
9197 |
RP-CB |
9000 |
737 |
1059 |
11-Dec-40 |
- |
1040 |
23-Nov-35 |
9195 |
RP-CB |
9052 |
737 |
1055 |
25-Aug-45 |
4160 |
1041 |
20-Dec-35 |
9193# |
CB-RP |
9034 |
735 |
1073 |
22-Jul-47 |
4181 |
1042 |
23-Jan-36 |
9192# |
CB-RP |
9047 |
738 |
1096 |
12-Aug-48 |
4194 |
1043 |
27-Jul-35 |
9176# |
CB-RP |
9045 |
738 |
1097 |
4-Jan-47 |
4178 |
1044 |
22-Jul-35 |
9177 |
RP-CB |
9028 |
736 |
1097 |
21-Jul-47 |
4183 |
1045 |
22-Jul-35 |
9178# |
CB-RP |
9097 |
735 |
1092 |
20-Aug-47 |
4182 |
1046 |
23-Jul-35 |
9179 |
RP-CB |
9093 |
736 |
1092 |
23-Sep-42 |
4139 |
1047 |
31-Jul-35 |
9181 |
RP-CB |
9067 |
736 |
1071 |
23-Sep-42 |
4138 |
1048 |
2-Aug-35 |
9180# |
CB-RP |
9036 |
738 |
1071 |
18-Nov-42 |
4147 |
1049 |
31-Jul-35 |
9182# |
CB-RP |
9123* |
733 |
1111 |
26-Aug-47 |
4187 |
1050 |
30-Jul-35 |
9183 |
RP-CB |
9121* |
734 |
1111 |
29-Jun-42 |
4137 |
Footnote |
|
37 |
Diagram
numbers amended from 723/4/6 to 733/4/5/6/7/8 on reformation. |
Individual
Set Notes
Set |
|
1038 |
Set
commenced service 15-Jul-36. TT 9200
destroyed by enemy action 18-Sep-40 (location unknown, possibly Slades Green Up Sidings) and replaced by TT 9197
(ex. 1039), modified from centre buffer to rubbing plate fitted. Set
disbanded 16-Jul-48 and TT 9020 withdrawn, body being broken‑up at
Lancing w/e 25-Sep-48 and underframe sent to Eastleigh 24-Sep-48, later
returned to Lancing and cut-up there
w/e 5-Nov-49. TT 9197 formed into 4 SUB unit unit no.4249 May-49. |
1039 |
Set
commenced service 13-Nov-35. TT 9000
badly damaged by enemy action 16-Oct-40 (location unknown, possibly
Waterloo) and set withdrawn. Body broken-up 30-Oct-40 (probably nearby) and underframe cut‑up
at Lancing 28-Jul-43. TT 9197 to 1038. |
1040 |
Set
commenced service 23-Nov-35. Set
disbanded 25-Aug-45 and TT 9052 withdrawn, body broken‑up at
New Cross Gate w/e 27-Oct-45 and underframe cut‑up at
Mitcham w/e 3-Nov-45. TT 9195 formed into 4 SUB unit no.4160
Nov-45. |
1041 |
Set
commenced service 20-Dec-35. Set
disbanded 22-Jul-47 and TT 9034 withdrawn, body broken‑up at
Lancing w/e 16-Aug-47 and underframe sent to Mitcham 26-Aug-47 and cut‑up
there w/e 30-Aug-47. TT 9193 formed into
4 SUB unit no.4181 Nov-47. |
1042 |
Set
commenced service 23-Jan-36. Set
disbanded 12-Aug-48 and TT 9047 withdrawn, body broken‑up at
Lancing w/e 2-Oct-48 and underframe sent to Hassocks 28-Sep-48, later
cut‑up at Angerstein Wharf? w/e 4-Dec-48.
TT 9192 formed into 4 SUB unit no.4194 Jun-49. |
1043 |
Set
commenced service 26-Jul-35. Set
disbanded 4-Jan-47 and TT 9045 withdrawn, body broken‑up at
Lancing 14-Jun-47 and underframe sent to Mitcham 16-Jun-47 and cut‑up there w/e 21-Jun-47. TT 9176 formed into
4 SUB unit no. 4178 from 25-Jul-47. |
1044 |
Set
commenced service 22-Jul-35. Set
damaged by enemy bombing at Selhurst depot 14-Oct-40 but repaired. Set
disbanded 21-Jul-47 and TT 9028 withdrawn, body broken‑up at
Lancing w/e 23-Aug-47 and underframe cut‑up at Mitcham
w/e 22-Nov-47. TT 9177 formed into 4 SUB unit no.4183 at
Selhurst from Dec-47. |
1045 |
Set
commenced service 22-Jul-35. Set
disbanded 20-Aug-47 and TT 9097 withdrawn, body broken‑up at
Lancing w/e 11-Oct-47 and underframe sent to Mitcham 10-Oct-47 and cut‑up
there w/e 25-Oct-47. TT 9178 formed into
4 SUB unit no.4182 from c5-Dec-47. |
1046 |
Set
commenced service 23-Jul-35. Set
withdrawn 23-Sep-42 and body of TT 9093 grounded at Farnham for
Home Guard 9-Dec-42, underframe cut‑up at New Cross Gate
13-Jan-43. TT 9179 formed into 4 SUB unit no.4139 from
2-Dec-42. |
1047 |
Set
commenced service 31-Jul-35. Set withdrawn 23-Sep-42 and body of TT 9067
grounded at Raynes Park for Home Guard 27-Jan-43, underframe cut‑up
at New Cross Gate 21-Apr-43. TT 9181 formed into 4 SUB unit no.4138
from 5-Dec-42. |
1048 |
Set
commenced service 2-Aug-35. TT 9036
damaged at Waterloo 12-Nov-42 and set withdrawn 18-Nov-42. Body of
TT 9036 broken‑up at New Cross Gate 16-Dec-42 and
underframe stored until cut‑up at Mitcham 1-Dec-45. TT 9180 formed
into 4 SUB unit no.4147 Apr-43. |
1049 |
Set
commenced service 31-Jul-35. Set
disbanded 26-Aug-47 and TT 9123 withdrawn, body broken‑up at
Lancing w/e 15-Nov-47 and underframe sent to Selhurst 19-Nov-47, later
cut‑up at Angerstein Wharf
w/e 20-Mar-48. TT 9182 formed into 4 SUB unit no.4187 Jun-48. |
1050 |
Set
commenced service 30-Jul-35. Set
withdrawn 29-Jun-42 and TT 9121 body broken up (at Eastleigh?), underframe cut‑up at
New Cross Gate 19-Aug-44. TT 9183 formed into 4 SUB unit
no.4137 from 21-Oct-42. |
Reformed
Sets March 1937 to May 1938
Sets 989-1000, 1118-1120 & 1199 /1200
The programme of alterations to the Trailer Sets begun in 1935
using newly converted ex. LSWR 8‑compartment Thirds rebuilt to ten
compartments and mounted on a new SR 62' 0" underframe from Lancing
was continued in 1937/8. A batch were converted in February /March 1937 to
order number H.O. 901, sets 1118-1120 & 1199 appearing, followed by a
further batch in July 1937 to order number H.O. 929. these being sets
1200 & 998-1000. The final batch from January to May 1938 were to order
number H.O. 965 and appeared as sets 989-997. Some of these conversions in
the last two batches again had flush steel panelling.
These sets seated one-hundred & ninety third-class, were
121' 6" long and weighed 50 tons 8cwt. The donor sets of
the ex. LBSCR coaches are shewn below. The number range of the existing Trailer
Sets from 1001-1200 was almost all used with existing sets, these reformed sets
filling the odd gaps in the series and having to be projected back into the
loco‑hauled coaching stock set number series from 1-1000.
Diagram number numbers were again complex. with the 10‑compartment
coaches being variously to diagrams 731 (rubbing plate fitted) or 732 (centre-buffer
fitted) and the 9‑compartment ones being altered on conversion from 723
& 724 to 735 & 738 respectively when rubbing plate fitted or 736 &
737 respectively when centre-buffer fitted.
The ‘formed date’ of these sets is the date the former LSWR
coach was withdrawn from traffic for conversion, the Trailer Set then entering
traffic shortly afterwards.
As with the previous batch of sets, these began to be withdrawn
during the war and the LBSCR coaches scrapped and the LSWR coaches then being
used to augment 3 Car Motor Units to 4 SUB with
their diagram numbers altered from 731 to 741 and 732 to 740 respectively. Set
998 was the very last Trailer Set to be overhauled in May 1947.
Set no. |
To tfc |
10-compt. |
Coupling |
9-compt. TT |
9-compt. TT New Diag. No. |
9-compt. TT |
Date |
10-compt. TT |
Diag. No. |
|
731 |
|
See note 38 |
|
|
|
|
Diag. No. |
|
732# |
|
|
|
|
|
|
989 |
15-Mar-38 |
10411f# |
CB-RP |
9100 |
735 |
1051 |
11-Oct-39 |
4131 |
990 |
20-May-38 |
10417f# |
CB-RP |
9065 |
735 |
1061 |
Nov-45 |
4162 |
991 |
29-Mar-38 |
10410f |
RP-CB |
9084 |
736 |
1082 |
7-Apr-43 |
4144 |
992 |
4-May-38 |
10413f# |
CB-RP |
9039 |
738 |
1086 |
17-Nov-43 |
4150 |
993 |
2-Feb-38 |
10403f |
RP-CB |
9086 |
736 |
1090 |
30-Jun-48 |
4191 |
994 |
14-Jan-38 |
10402f# |
CB-RP |
9106 |
735 |
1093 |
5-May-45 |
4156 |
995 |
23-Feb-38 |
10409f# |
CB-RP |
9101 |
735 |
1099 |
1-Jul-47 |
4179 |
996 |
5-May-38 |
10415f |
RP-CB |
9058 |
737 |
1104 |
12-Feb-46 |
4163 |
997 |
11-Feb-38 |
10406f |
RP-CB |
9054 |
737 |
1108 |
c.Jun-46 |
4171 |
998 |
8-Jul-37 |
9299# |
CB-RP |
9091 |
735 |
1085 |
16-Jul-48 |
4250 |
999 |
7-Jul-37 |
9300 |
RP-CB |
9035 |
737 |
1085 |
c.Nov-45 |
4164 |
1000 |
14-Jul-37 |
9825f# |
CB-RP |
9024 |
738 |
1084 |
Dec-42 |
4145 |
1118 |
20-Feb-37 |
9202# |
CB-RP |
9107 |
735 |
1097 |
6-Mar-48 |
4185 |
1119 |
27-Feb-37 |
9203 |
RP-CB |
9077 |
736 |
1068 |
21-Sep-46 |
4172 |
1120 |
12-Mar-37 |
9204# |
CB-RP |
9019 |
738 |
1067 |
18-Sep-40 |
4135 |
1199 |
22-Mar-37 |
9205 |
RP-CB |
9070 |
736 |
1067 |
c.Jan-46 |
4167 |
1200 |
14-Jul-37 |
9826f |
RP-CB |
9095 |
736 |
1084 |
c.Jan-46 |
4165 |
Note |
|
f |
Flush panelled coach. |
|
|
Footnote |
|
38 |
Diagram
numbers amended from 723/4 to 735/6/7/8 on reformation. |
Individual
Set Notes
Set |
|
989 |
Set
commenced service 15-Mar-38. Set
damaged in collision with 1794 at Horsham 4-Sep-39 and TT 9100 withdrawn
11-Oct-39 when body broken‑up at Brighton. Underframe cut‑up
1-Nov-39, also at Brighton. TT 10411 formed into 4 SUB unit no.4131
from 15-Apr-42. |
990 |
Set
commenced service 20-May-38. Set
disbanded Nov-45 and TT 9065 withdrawn, body broken‑up at
New Cross Gate 24-Nov-45, (disposal of underframe unknown).
TT 10417 formed into 4 SUB unit no.4162 at Selhurst from 20-Apr-46. |
991 |
Set
commenced service 29-Mar-38. Set
withdrawn 7-Apr-43 and body of TT 9084 grounded at Wimbledon Apr-43 for
fire prevention being broken-up May-47, underframe cut‑up at
New Cross Gate 5-May-43. TT 10410 formed into 4 SUB unit
no.4144 from 5-Mar-43. |
992 |
Set
commenced service 4-May-38. Set
withdrawn 17-Nov-43 and TT 9039 scrapped, (body disposal unknown but
noted off wheels at Wimbledon). Underframe cut‑up at
New Cross Gate 17-Nov-43. TT 10413 formed into 4 SUB unit
no.4150 c.May‑44. |
993 |
Set
commenced service 2-Feb-38. Set
damaged by enemy bombing at Herne Hill 24-Feb-44, repaired at Selhurst
28-Feb-44. Set
disbanded 30-Jun-48 and TT 9086 withdrawn, body broken‑up at
Lancing w/e 17-Jul-48 and underframe sent to Eastleigh 22-Jul-48, later
cut‑up at Angerstein Wharf
w/e 30-Oct-48. TT 10403 formed into 4 SUB unit no.4191 Dec-48. |
994 |
Set
commenced service 14-Jan-38. Set
disbanded 5-May-45 though already split-up, and TT 9106 withdrawn, body
broken‑up at New Cross Gate and underframe at Mitcham, both
w/e 5-May-45. TT 10402 formed into 4 SUB unit no.4156 from
17-Feb-45. |
995 |
Set
commenced service 23-Feb-38. Set
damaged by V2 blast at Blackheath 8-Mar-45, repaired at Slades
Green. Set
disbanded 1-Jul-47 and TT 9101 withdrawn, body broken‑up at
Lancing w/e 19-Jul-47 and underframe sent to Mitcham that day and cut‑up
there w/e 2-Aug-47. TT 10409 formed into
4 SUB unit no.4179 from 31-Oct-47. |
996 |
Set
commenced service 5-May-38. Set
disbanded c.Jan-46 and TT 9058 withdrawn, (disposal
of body unknown) and underframe cut‑up at Mitcham
w/e 2-Feb-46. TT 10415 formed into 4 SUB unit no.4163 from
Jan-46. |
997 |
Set
commenced service 11-Feb-38. Set
disbanded c.Jun‑46 and TT 9054 withdrawn,
being broken‑up at Slades Green (by NXG
staff) w/e 29-Jun-46. TT 10406 formed into 4 SUB unit no.4171
at Eastleigh from 22-Nov-46. |
998 |
Set
commenced service 8-Jul-37. Set
disbanded 16-Jul-48 and TT 9091 withdrawn, body broken‑up at
Lancing w/e 25-Sep-48 and underframe sent to Hassocks 28-Sep-48 for
store, later cut‑up at Angerstein Wharf?
w/e 4-Dec-48. TT 9299 formed into 4 SUB unit no.4250 Apr-49. |
999 |
Set
commenced service 7-Jul-37. Set
damaged by V2 blast at Eltham Well Hall 14-Nov-44, repair details unknown. Set
withdrawn c.Nov‑45 and part of body of
TT 9035 grounded at Lancing works. Remainder of body broken‑up at
New Cross Gate w/e 24-Nov-45 and underframe cut‑up at Mitcham
w/e 1-Dec-45. TT 9300 formed into 4 SUB unit no.4164 from
31-Jan-46. |
1000 |
Set
commenced service 14-Jul-37. Set
withdrawn 16-Dec-42 and body of TT 9024 grounded at Effingham Jct.
for Home Guard Apr-43, underframe cut‑up at
New Cross Gate 5-May-43. TT 9825 formed into 4 SUB unit
no.4145 Feb-43. |
1118 |
Set
commenced service 20-Feb-37. Set
withdrawn 23-Jun-47 and TT 9107, body broken‑up at Lancing
w/e 3-Apr-48 and underframe cut‑up, also at Lancing
w/e 1-May-48. TT 9202 formed into 4 SUB unit no.4185 from
12-Feb-48. |
1119 |
Set
commenced service 27-Feb-37. Set
disbanded 21-Sep-46 and TT 9077 withdrawn, (disposal of body unknown), underframe cut‑up by ‘London Bridge’
w/e 22-Nov-47. TT 9203 formed into 4 SUB unit no.4172 from
21-Jan-47. |
1120 |
Set
commenced service 12-Mar-37. TT 9019
destroyed when hit by enemy delayed action bomb which later ex. ploded at Plumstead 7-Sep-40 and set withdrawn 18-Sep-40
when remains broken‑up on site. TT 9204 formed into 4 SUB
unit no.4135 Oct-42 after repairs (at
Eastleigh?). |
1199 |
Set
commenced service 6-Mar-37. Set
disbanded c.Jan-46 and TT 9070 withdrawn, body
broken-up at Slades Green (by NXG staff) w/e 12-Jan-46,
(underframe disposal unknown). TT 9205 formed into 4 SUB
unit no.4167 from c.28-May-46. |
1200 |
Set
commenced service 14-Jul-37. Set
disbanded c.Jan-46 and TT 9095 withdrawn, (disposal
of body unknown), underframe cut‑up at Mitcham 2-Feb-46. TT 9826
formed into 4 SUB unit no.4165 Feb-46 |
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from C.Watts,
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