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London & South Western Railway
2 Coach Trailer Sets
(inc. Southern Railway)

 

Ex. LSWR 2 Coach Trailer now in departmental use as a de-icing vehicle.
Note the jumper cable arrangements on the coach end.

© RCTS (Railway Correspondence & Travel Society)

 

London & South Western Railway
DC electric suburban services

In summation the mainstay for DC electric suburban services was provided by the 3 Car Motor Units. Initially this was for the LSWR 1915 electrification (London & South Western Railway) then subsequently the  Southern Electric (following the formation of the Southern Railway from 1st January 1923) right through to these units’ Wartime augmentation to 4-car.

Usually referred to as ‘3s’ in internal railway publications, these electric units often operated in pairs with 2-coach Trailer Sets (coupled in between) to form an 8-car train.

During the Second World War these 3 Car Motor Units were augmented to 4-cars so as to bring the trailer-unit operations to a close. Eventually these augmented 4-car units were referred to as 4 SUB when the ‘Bulleid’ 4 SUB units started to appear from 1941.

Increasing Capacity

Due to the rapid growth in traffic following the LSWR electrification scheme in 1915 /1916 it became necessary to increase capacity on a number of trains to cope with demand. There were insufficient electric 3 Car Motor Units available to make-up trains to three‑unit formations and 9-car trains were too long for a number of platforms.

Two‑coach Trailer Sets

So, in May 1919 it was decided to form ten two‑coach Trailer Sets by converting five four-coach bogie block trains which would be marshalled between two 3 Car Motor Units on busy trains giving an 8-car train. The performance of the 3 Car Motor Units was sufficient to allow these 8-car trains to maintain the electric schedules.

Conversion of Steam-hauled Stock

Conversion proceeded quite slowly, with ten Trailer Sets being ready by May 1920, but in view of still rising traffic a further four bogie block trains were then authorised for conversion to bring the total of Trailer Sets up to eighteen, and a further three were taken for conversion in October 1922 bringing the total of new Trailer Sets up to twenty four.

Twelve of the steam bogie-block trains were therefore modified at Eastleigh to form the Trailer Sets, these vehicles thereby having the same body styles as the 3 Car Motor Units after conversion.

The vehicles had been built at Eastleigh between March 1904 and September 1912 and were mounted on wooden underframes with steel channel solebars. The 7-compartment Brake Thirds became 9-compartment vehicles with two new compartments replacing the former van area, these new compartments being 5' 8" wide whilst the original seven were 5' 6" wide. They now weighed 22 tons 18cwt.

Once again vehicle lengths differed, twelve of the vehicles were 49' over bodywork (51' 7" over buffers) whilst the remainder were 51' long (53' 7" over buffers). The Trailer Sets were formed with an 8‑compartment coach (eighty seats) coupled to a 9‑compartment one (ninety seats), alternate sets being formed with a shorter underframe vehicle, sets therefore being either 105' or 107' long. Overall width was 8' 10½" and they weighed 45 tons 12cwt (107' ones) or 45 tons 8cwt (105' ones) and seated one hundred & seventy third-class.

The Composites had all eight compartments downgraded to third-class, the 49' former Tri‑Composites having three compartments 6' 6" wide, three 5' 10" wide and two 5' 6" wide, whilst the 51' Tri‑Composites had four at 6' 6" and four at 6' 0" wide, though one vehicle was taken from a different batch of 51' Bi‑Composites having five 6' 6" and three 5' 10" compartments. The 49' coaches now weighed 22 tons 14cwt whilst the 51' coaches were 22 tons 18cwt.

Braking Systems

Modifications consisted of altering the braking from vacuum to the quick‑acting air system of the 3 Car Motor Units and converting the heating and lighting to work with power supplied from the 3 Car Motor Units via the jumper connections.

Power Supply

Batteries where fitted were removed as these were no longer required. No shoegear was fitted to these Trailer Sets, nor were any driving cabs provided, the outermost vehicle ends were fitted with waist height jumper connections for heating, lighting and through-control purposes, the air braking connections remaining at low level adjacent to the screw coupling. Cables connecting the power jumpers of the 3 Car Motor Units were run along the coach roofs rather than underfloor as on the 3 Car Motor Units.

Passenger Accommodation

All accommodation was now third-class, though due to the origins of the vehicles, the former first and second class compartments were wider than the original third class ones.

Couplings

Coaches were close‑coupled with the LSWR type block‑train steel disc and drawbar coupling, later replaced by the SR style centre buffer and three link chain, and the former van space end of the 9‑compartment coach was outermost, with the wider former first‑class compartments of the 8‑compartment coaches also being outermost.

Former Composites also had conventional buffing gear fitted at what became the outer end of the Trailer Set. All coaches retained their original LSWR fixed bolster bogies on conversion.

Depots

They were initially maintained with the 3 Car Motor Units at Durnsford Road and Strawberry Hill.

Smoking

The 8‑compartment coaches contained two non-smoking compartments, these being the third one in from each end of the coach, whilst the 9 compartment coach had three, located as the second from each end and the centremost one.

Into Service

The first Trailer Sets were ready for use from the summer of 1920 and were allocated set numbers T1-T24 by the LSWR, but became Trailer Sets 1001-1024 following formation of the Southern Railway in 1923. However, the vehicles were not renumbered until they required repainting; this started in 1926 with the last being done as late as August 1931.

The LSWR numbered the 9‑compartment coaches 7401 /7404 /7405 /7408 /7409 /7412 /7413 /7416 /7417 /7420 /7421 /7423 then odd numbers up to 7447. The 51' long 8‑compartment vehicles were numbered 7402 /7406 /7410 /7414 /7418 /7424 /7428 /7430 /7436 /7438 /7440 /7446 whilst the 49' vehicles became 7403 /7407 /7411 /7415 /7419 /7422 /7426 /7432 /7434 /7442 /7444 /7448.

The rather haphazard way the sets were numbered stems partly from the fact that they were delivered in three batches, the first ten in 1920, a further batch of eight followed late in 1921 and the final six not delivered until early 1923, and the numbering of different vehicle types in one number range. The SR renumbered all the coaches into a new series between 8901 and 8948 and rearranged them into individual types within this series. The new numbers were then:

9‑compartment coaches 8925-8948.

51' 8‑compartment coaches 8913-8924.

49' 8‑compartment coaches 8901-8912.

The 9‑compartment trailers were allocated diagram number 722 whilst the 8‑compartment trailers (49' bodies) became diagram number 720 and those with (51' bodies) became diagram number 721.

Livery

Coaches were renumbered as they became due for a general overhaul and were repainted into SR dark green at this time.

Bogie Modifications

The ex. LSWR fixed bolster bogies did not ride that well and accordingly were rebuilt with moving bolsters, this work being authorised by H.O. 391 dated 8th November 1928, which also included the trailer bogies of the ex. LSWR 3 Car Motor Units nos.1201-1284. This work was completed by August 1933.

However, these bogies continued to give trouble as they wore out, and a further order, H.O. 809 dated 23rd March 1934 authorised the provision of one-hundred new ‘standard’ bogies to re‑equip this whole batch of Trailer Sets and provide a few spares.

Lighting Jumpers

These Trailer Sets did not originally have the central lighting jumper found on other suburban stock batches as they ran with the ex. LSWR and Guildford /Dorking units which were also not so fitted when new. They were modified from about 1934 when the ex. LSWR units were rebuilt on longer underframes and made more standard with all the other units, the Western Section units then becoming common-user with the remainder of the suburban fleet from 1938.

Planned Rebuilding

It was planned to rebuild these Trailer Sets in a similar manner to the ex. LSWR 3 Car Motor Units, and Eastleigh were given H.O. 1007 dated 17-Dec-37 for rebuilding of one set onto standard underframes. However, this was cancelled from 20-Jul-38 and none were rebuilt.

Wartime & Reformations

Two sets were withdrawn following accident damage, two others were damaged during the war and not repaired and one was used for wartime purposes with the bodies grounded following accident damage, the remainder surviving in traffic until all were withdrawn between 1946 and 1949 and scrapped, the bodies at Lancing and underframes mostly in the London area, during the large scale reorganisation of the suburban fleet into 4-car motor units. A handful of this batch lasted until the end of Trailer Set operation on the SR on 26th September 1948.

The original formations of the LSWR sets is shewn below, followed by the new SR set number and the date the set was renumbered along with the works where this was carried out. Dates sets entered traffic are shewn below the set number in the second table.

The SR formations show the original LSWR coach in brackets below the SR number.

 

LSWR
Set No.

Conv.
date

8 Compt.
TT

9 Compt.
TT

New SR
Set No.

Date coaches
renumbered

Works

1920 sets

T1

Jan-20

7402

7401

1001

20-Mar-26

Eastleigh

T2

Jan-20

7403*

7404

1002

20-Mar-26

Eastleigh

T3

Apr-20

7406

7405

1003

17-Apr-26

Eastleigh

T4

Apr-20

7407*

7408

1004

24-Apr-26

Eastleigh

T5

Apr-20

7410

7409

1005

24-Apr-26

Eastleigh

T6

Jan-20

7411*

7412

1006

24-Jul-26

Eastleigh

T7

Apr-20

7414

7413

1007

17-Apr-26

Eastleigh

T8

May-20

7415*

7416

1008

3-Apr-26

Eastleigh

T9

May-20

7418

7417

1009

24-Jul-26

Eastleigh

T10

May-20

7419*

7420

1010

3-Apr-26

Eastleigh

1921 sets

T11

Oct-21

7424

7421

1011

27-Oct-28

Eastleigh

T12

Oct-21

7422*

7423

1012

24-Nov-28

Eastleigh

T13

Dec-21

7426*

7425

1013

23-Mar-29

Eastleigh

T14

Dec-21

7428

7427

1014

12-Jan-29

Eastleigh

T15

Dec-21

7430

7429

1015

27-Oct-28

Eastleigh

T16

Dec-21

7432*

7431

1016

12-Jan-29

Eastleigh

T17

Dec-21

7434*

7433

1017

20-Jun-30

Lancing

T18

Dec-21

7436

7435

1018

24-Jun-30

Lancing

1923 sets

T19

Dec-22

7438

7437

1019

1-Nov-29

Eastleigh

T20

Dec-22

7440 1

7439

1020

1-Aug-31

Eastleigh

T21

Dec-22

7442*

7441

1021

17-Jun-30

Lancing

T22

Dec-22

7444*

7443

1022

4-Mar-30

Lancing

T23

Dec-22

7446

7445

1023

3-Jan-30

Lancing

T24

Dec-22

7448*

7447

1024

14-Nov-30

Lancing

 

Notes

*

49' body 8 compt. vehicle

 

 

Footnote

1

Coach with slightly different compartment widths to remaining 51’ conversions.

 

 

SR Set
number

8 Compt.
TT

9 Compt.
TT

Withdrawn
date

Body scrap
location and

U/Frame scrap
location and

Diag. No.

720*/721

722

 

w/e date

w/e date

1001
2-Jul-20

8913
(7402)

8925
(7401)

23-Mar-46

‘London Bridge’
Both 29-Sep-51

‘London Bridge’
Both 11-Aug-51

1002
2-Jul-20

8901*
(7403)

8926
(7404)

6-Feb-47

Lancing
22-Feb-47 (8901)
1-Mar-47 (8926)

Mitcham
Both 29-Mar-47

1003
12-Jul-20

8914
(7406)

8927
(7405)

29-Jun-38

Effingham Jct.
Both c.29-Jun-38

Eastleigh
Both Jan-39

1004
12-Jul-20

8902*
(7407)

8928
(7408)

9-Mar-46

New Cross Gate
25-May-46 (8902)
27-Apr-46 (8928)

New Cross Gate
c.May-46
c.May-46

1005
27-Jul-20

8915
(7410)

8929
(7409)

12-Aug-48

Ashford (Grounded)
Lancing
11-Jun-49 (8915)

Angerstein Wharf
Both 2-Jul-49

1006
2-Jul-20

8903*
(7411)

8930
(7412)

2-Oct-48

Lancing
Both 15-Jan-49

Angerstein Wharf
Both 26-Feb-49

1007
12-Jul-20

8916
(7414)

8931
(7413)

31-Aug-46

New Cross Gate
Both 31-Aug-46

Eardley
Both 11-Jan-47

1008
23-Jul-20

8904*
(7415)

8932
(7416)

c.Dec-46

New Cross Gate
21-Dec-46 (8904)
Clapham Jct.
(Grounded) 8932

New Cross Gate
Both 11-Jan-47

1009
23-Jul-20

8917
(7418)

8933
(7417)

20-Nov-40

Selhurst depot
Both c.Oct-40

Selhurst depot
Both c.Oct-40

1010
27-Jul-20

8905*
(7419)

8934
(7420)

9-Jul-47

Lancing
27-Dec-47 (8905)
3-Jan-48 (8934)

Mitcham
31-Jan-48 (8905)
17-Jan-48 (8934)

1011
6-Dec-21

8918
(7424)

8935
(7421)

30-Sep-47

Lancing
Both 20-Dec-47

Lancing
Both 3-Apr-48

1012
9-Dec-21

8906*
(7422)

8936
(7423)

1-Mar-47

Lancing
Both 29-Mar-47

Mitcham
Both 10-May-47

1013
19-Dec-21

8907*
(7426)

8937
(7425)

21-Dec-38

Hampton Court
Mar-39 (8907)
20-Nov-37 (8937)

Hampton Court
Mar-39 (8907)
20-Nov-37 (8937)

1014
22-Dec-21

8919
(7428)

8938
(7427)

28-Dec-46

Lancing
Both 15-Feb-47

Mitcham
Both 29-Mar-47

1015
9-Jan-22

8920
(7430)

8939
(7429)

12-Apr-47

Lancing
Both 10-May-47

Mitcham
Both 12-Jul-47

1016
18-Jan-22

8908*
(7432)

8940
(7431)

26-Apr-47

Lancing
31-May-47 (8908)
24-May-47 (8940)

Mitcham
Both 12-Jul-47

1017
21-Feb-22

8909*
(7434)

8941
(7433)

2-Oct-48

Lancing
12-Mar-49 (8909)
26-Mar-49 (8941)


Eastleigh?

Eastleigh?

1018
20-Feb-22

8921
(7436)

8942
(7435)

19-Mar-48

Lancing
Both 5-Jun-48

Angerstein Wharf
4-Sep-48 (8921)
11-Sep-48 (8942)

1019
2-Apr-23

8922
(7438)

8943
(7437)

8-Sep-48

Lancing
Both 18-Sep-48

Angerstein Wharf
Both 2-Oct-48

1020
2-Apr-23

8923 2
(7440)

8944
(7439)

26-Sep-47

Lancing
Both 7-Feb-48

Angerstein Wharf
Both 4-Sep-48

1021

8910*
(7442)

8945
(7441)

6-May-43

Grounded
New Malden (8910)
Eardley (8945)

New Cross Gate?
Both 29-Dec-43

1022

8911*
(7444)

8946
(7443)

26-Aug-47

Lancing
Both 24-Jan-48

Mitcham
Both 31-Jan-48

1023
1-Mar-23

8924
(7446)

8947
(7445)

11-Nov-44

New Cross Gate
c.Nov-44

New Cross Gate
c.Nov-44

1024
28-Feb-23

8912*
(7448)

8948
(7447)

15-Feb-47

Lancing
10-May-47 (8912)
3-May-47 (8948)

Mitcham
Both 12-Jul-47

 

Note

*

49' body 8 compt. vehicle (diag. no.720).

 

 

Footnotes

2

Coach with slightly different compartment widths to remaining 51’ conversions.

 

Note on Disposals

Coaches shewn as disposed of by ‘London Bridge’ are believed to have been allocated to London Bridge C&W staff for breaking, the actual location of breaking-up being uncertain, though in the London Bridge C&W area (possibly at Ewer Street or Rotherhithe Road), as coach breaking is unlikely to have taken place at London Bridge itself.

 

Individual Set Notes
(1001-1024)

Set

 

1001

Set commenced service 2-Jul-20.

Set slightly damaged by enemy bombing at Spa Road 20-Feb-44, repaired at Selhurst between 24-Feb-44 and 25-Feb-44.

Set withdrawn 23-Mar-46, and sent to West Worthing for use by Growers Association. Later moved to ‘London Bridge’ for disposal w/e 11-Aug-51.

1002

Set commenced service 2-Jul-20.

Set withdrawn 6-Feb-47 and sent to Lancing for disposal, body of TT 8901 broken-up there w/e 22-Feb-74, body of TT 8926 broken-up there w/e 11-Mar-47. Both underframes cut‑up at Mitcham w/e 29-Mar-47.

1003

Set commenced service 12-Jul-20.

Both coaches damaged in collision at Effingham Jct. 29-Jun-38 and withdrawn. Both bodies broken‑up on site, underframes cut-up at Eastleigh Jan-39.

1004

Set commenced service 12-Jul-20.

Set withdrawn 9-Mar-46 and sent to New Cross Gate for disposal. Body of TT 8928 broken‑up there w/e 27-Apr-46, body of TT 8902 broken‑up there w/e 25-May-46, both underframes also cut‑up there c.May-46.

1005

Set commenced service 27-Jul-20.

Set withdrawn 12-Aug-48 and body of TT 8929 grounded at Ashford. Body of TT 8915 broken‑up at Lancing w/e 11-Jun-49. Both underframes cut‑up at Angerstein Wharf w/e 2-Jul-49.

1006

Set commenced service 2-Jul-20.

Set slightly damaged by enemy bombing at Slades Green 4-Feb-44, repaired at the depot by 8-Feb-44. Set stored by Sep‑48 and withdrawn 2-Oct-48 and sent to Lancing for disposal. Both bodies broken‑up there w/e 15-Jan-49, both underframes cut‑up at Angerstein Wharf w/e 26-Feb-49.

1007

Set commenced service 12-Jul-20.

Set withdrawn 31-Aug-46 and sent to New Cross Gate for disposal. Both bodies broken‑up there w/e 31-Aug-46, both underframes cut‑up at Eardley w/e 11-Jan-47.

1008

Set commenced service 23-Jul-20.

Set withdrawn c.Dec-46 and body of TT 8932 grounded at Clapham Jct. for CEL. Body of TT 8904 broken‑up at New Cross Gate w/e 21-Dec-46. Both underframes cut‑up at New Cross Gate w/e 11-Jan-47.

1009

Set commenced service 23-Jul-20.

Both coaches damaged by enemy action at Selhurst Depot 14-Oct-40 and set withdrawn 20-Nov-40, broken‑up on site.

1010

Set commenced service 27-Jul-20.

Set withdrawn 9-Jul-47 and sent to Lancing for disposal. Body of TT 8905 broken‑up there w/e 27-Dec-47, body of TT 8934 broken‑up there w/e 3-Jan-48. Both underframes sent to Mitcham 2-Jan-48 and cut‑up there, TT 8934 w/e 17-Jan-48 and TT 8905 w/e 31-Jan-48.

1011

Set commenced service 6-Dec-21.

Set withdrawn 30-Sep-47 and sent to Lancing for disposal. Both bodies broken‑up there w/e 20-Dec-47, both underframes cut‑up there w/e 3-Apr-48.

1012

Set commenced service 9-Dec-21.

Set slightly damaged by F/B (V1 flying bomb) blast at Forest Hill 22-Jun-44, repaired at Selhurst. Set withdrawn 1-Mar-47 and sent to Lancing for disposal. Both bodies broken‑up there w/e 29-Mar-47, both underframes cut‑up at Mitcham w/e 10-May-47.

1013

Set commenced service 19-Dec-21.

Both coaches damaged in collision at Hampton Court 19-Nov-37 (details unknown) and withdrawn officially from 21-Dec-38. TT 8937 broken‑up on site 20-Nov-37, TT 8907 later also cut‑up there Mar-39.

1014

Set commenced service 22-Dec-21.

Set withdrawn 28-Dec-46 and sent to Lancing for disposal. Both bodies broken‑up there w/e 15-Feb-47. Both underframes cut‑up at Mitcham w/e 29-Mar-47.

1015

Set commenced service 9-Jan-22.

Set withdrawn 12-Apr-47 and sent to Lancing for disposal. Both bodies broken‑up there w/e 10-May-47. Both underframes cut‑up at Mitcham w/e 12-Jul-47.

1016

Set commenced service 18-Jan-22.

Set withdrawn 26-Apr-47 and sent to Lancing for disposal. Body of TT 8940 broken‑up there w/e 24-May-47, body of TT 8908 broken‑up there w/e 31-May-47. Both underframes cut‑up at Mitcham w/e 12-Jul-47.

1017

Set commenced service 21-Feb-22.

Set stored by Sep‑48 and withdrawn 2-Oct-48 and sent to Lancing for disposal. Body of TT 8909 broken‑up there w/e 12-Mar-49, body of TT 8941 broken‑up there w/e 26-Mar-49. Underframe disposal uncertain, both were sent from Lancing to Eastleigh 11-Mar-49.

1018

Set commenced service 20-Feb-22.

Set withdrawn 19-Mar-48 and sent to Lancing for disposal. Both bodies broken‑up there w/e 5-Jun-48, both underframes sent to Mitcham 5-Jun-48, later cut‑up at Angerstein Wharf, TT 8921 w/e 4-Sep-48 and TT 8942 w/e 11-Sep-48.

1019

Set commenced service 2-Apr-23.

Set withdrawn 8-Sep-48 and sent to Lancing for disposal. Both bodies broken‑up there w/e 18-Sep-48. Both underframes cut‑up at Angerstein Wharf w/e 2-Oct-48.

1020

Set commenced service 2-Apr-23.

Set withdrawn 26-Sep-47 and sent to Lancing for disposal. Both bodies broken‑up there w/e 7-Feb-48. Both underframes sent for store to Tisted 11-Feb-48, cut‑up at Angerstein Wharf w/e 4-Sep-48.

1021

Set commenced service 15-Mar-23.

Set withdrawn 6-May-43 after runaway accident damage at Sevenoaks (Tubs Hill) and both coaches grounded for wartime use, TT 8910 (officially withdrawn 16-Jun-43) at New Malden for Home Guard, TT 8945 at Eardley Sidings for C.E.L. though one compartment was noted at New Cross Gate. Both underframes cut‑up 29-Dec-43 (possibly at New Cross Gate?)

1022

Set commenced service 5-Mar-23.

Set withdrawn 26-Aug-47 and sent to Lancing for disposal. Both bodies broken‑up there w/e 24-Jan-48. Both underframes sent to Tisted 23-Jan-48 then cut-up at Mitcham w/e 31-Jan-48.

1023

Set commenced service 1-Mar-23.

Set badly damaged by V1 blast near South Bermondsey 26-Oct-44 and withdrawn w/e 11-Nov-44. Both coaches broken-up at nearby New Cross Gate.

1024

Set commenced service 28-Mar-23.

Set withdrawn 15-Feb-47 and sent to Lancing for disposal. Body of TT 8948 broken‑up there w/e 3-May-47, body of TT 8912 broken‑up there w/e 10-May-47. Both underframes cut‑up at Mitcham w/e 12-Jul-47.

               

               


Origin of Vehicles
(Trailer Sets 1001-1024)

The identity of the LSWR vehicles used to form Trailer Sets 1001-1024 is known and tabulated below.

 

49' 0" eight compartment trailer thirds converted at Eastleigh and to SR diagram number 720.

Converted from 8-compartment tri-composites with 11122233 layout, three compartments 6' 6" wide, three compartments 5' 10" wide and two compartments 5' 6" wide.

 

LSWR
1st no.

New
date

LSWR
2nd no.

Date
conv.

LSWR
elec. no.

LSWR
set no.

SR
no.

Final
set no.

334

Sep-12

2569

Jan-20

7403

T2

8901

1002

274

Dec-10

2510

Apr-20

7407

T3

8902

1004

351

Dec-11

2572

Jan-20

7411

T6

8903

1006

355

Jan-12

2576

May-20

7415

T8

8904

1008

226

Aug-12

2465

May-20

7419

T10

8905

1010

353

Dec-11

2574

Oct-21

7422

T11

8906

1012

395

Jun-10

2612

Dec-21

7426

T13

8907

1013

400

Jul-10

2617

Dec-21

7432

T16

8908

1016

1001

Sep-10

3103

Dec-21

7434

T17

8909

1017

193

Mar-04

2435

Dec-22

7442

T21

8910

1021

318

Dec-05

2553

Dec-22

7444

T22

8911

1022

918

Jun-06

3043

Dec-22

7448

T24

8912

1024

 

 

51' 0" eight compartment trailer thirds converted at Eastleigh and to SR diagram number 721.

Converted from 8‑compartment tri-composites with 11112223 layout, four compartments 6' 6" wide and four compartments 6' 0" wide.

 

LSWR
1st no.

New
date

LSWR
2nd no.

Date
conv.

LSWR
elec. no.

LSWR
set no.

SR
no.

Final
set no.

169

Sep-12

2412

Jan-20

7402

T1

8913

1001

275

Dec-10

2511

Apr-20

7406

T4

8914

1003

352

Dec-11

2573

Apr-20

7410

T5

8915

1005

356

Jan-12

2577

Apr-20

7414

T7

8916

1007

222

Aug-12

2461

May-20

7418

T9

8917

1009

354

Dec-11

2575

Oct-21

7424

T12

8918

1011

396

Jun-10

2613

Dec-21

7428

T14

8919

1014

401

Jul-10

2618

Dec-21

7430

T15

8920

1015

399

Jun-10

2616

Dec-21

7436

T18

8921

1018

384

Dec-05

2604

Dec-22

7438

T19

8922

1019

919

Jun-06

3044

Dec-22

7446

T23

8924

1023

 

 

51' 0" eight compartment trailer third converted at Eastleigh and to SR diagram number 721.

Converted from 8‑compartment composites with 11111222 layout, five compartments 6' 6" wide and three compartments 5' 10" wide.

 

LSWR
1st no.

New
date

LSWR
2nd no.

Date
conv.

LSWR
elec. no.

LSWR
set no.

SR
no.

Final
set no.

236

Mar-04

2475

Dec-22

7440

T20

8923

1020

 


51' 0" nine compartment trailer thirds converted at Eastleigh and to SR diagram number 722.

Converted from 7-compartment brake thirds, brake area rebuilt as two new compartments (5' 8" wide) with original seven compartments retained (5' 6" wide).

 

LSWR
1st no.

New
date

LSWR
2nd no.

Date
conv.

LSWR
elec. no.

LSWR
set no.

SR
no.

Final
set no.

1595

Sep-12

-

Jan-20

7401

T1

8925

1001

1594

Sep-12

-

Jan-20

7404

T2

8926

1002

646

Dec-10

1806

Apr-20

7405

T3

8927

1003

674

Dec-10

1829

Apr-20

7408

T4

8928

1004

804

Dec-11

1889

Apr-20

7409

T5

8929

1005

787

Dec-11

1884

Jan-20

7412

T6

8930

1006

1023

Jan-12

1946

Apr-20

7413

T7

8931

1007

1009

Jan-12

1944

May-20

7416

T8

8932

1008

1589

Aug-12

-

May-20

7417

T9

8933

1009

1588

Aug-12

-

May-20

7420

T10

8934

1010

887

Dec-11

1914

Oct-21

7421

T11

8935

1011

1006

Dec-11

1942

Oct-21

7423

T12

8936

1012

781

Jun-10

1880

Dec-21

7425

T13

8937

1013

103

Jun-10

1497

Dec-21

7427

T14

8938

1014

143

Jul-10

1507

Dec-21

7429

T15

8939

1015

108

Jul-10

1502

Dec-21

7431

T16

8940

1016

106

Jun-10

1500

Dec-21

7433

T17

8941

1017

107

Jun-10

1501

Dec-21

7435

T18

8942

1018

179

Dec-05

1598

Dec-22

7437

T19

8943

1019

329

Nov-04

1655

Dec-22

7439

T20

8944

1020

158

Mar-04

1526

Dec-22

7441

T21

8945

1021

671

Dec-05

1826

Dec-22

7443

T22

8946

1022

1355

Jun-06

-

Dec-22

7445

T23

8947

1023

1361

Jun-06

-

Dec-22

7447

T24

8948

1024

 

 


Southern Railway Trailer Set Vehicles

 

The origin of vehicles converted for use in the subsequent batches of Trailer Sets ordered by the Southern Railway was complex. and is shewn in detail in the sections on individual batches of sets. The following table summarises all the vehicles utilised:

 

Column

 

1

Coach numbers.

2

The sets to which they were allocated.

3

Coupling arrangement within set (C for close coupled with three link chain and centre buffer followed by CB for centre buffer fitted or RP for rubbing plate fitted, L for loose with side buffers and screw coupling).

4

The location where the conversion to electric operation was carried out.

5

Details of the underframe type (STD is new 62' 0" frame constructed at Lancing works, non-standard lengths are detailed and AC is a former LBSCR underframe used earlier in AC units).

6

Pre-grouping company which built the bodies.

7

Date of conversion.

8

Layout of the vehicle (number of compartments).

9

SR diagram number allocated to the modified body.

10

H.O. order number for the batch of sets.

 

All vehicles were classified as Trailer Thirds (TT). In some cases, vehicles were not allocated to sets in numerical order or a particular type of vehicle did not appear in each set, in these cases the number range of the set numbers is shewn in brackets. Similarly, some batches of coaches though numbered in one series utilised bodies from different sources in otherwise identical coaches and had different diagram numbers as a result, these are also shewn in square brackets.

The diagram numbers of many vehicles were later amended during the wholesale reforming of sets between 1934 and 1938 when many were altered to be close‑coupled to a newly converted ex. LSWR 10 or 11-compartment coach, or when they were reformed into newly augmented 4 SUB units from 1943 onwards.

 

Coach
nos.

Into Sets

Coupling
type

Conv.
at

U/Frame
type

Body
origin

Date
conv.

Compt.
layout

Diag.
no.

H.O.
no.

8901-8912

(1002-1024)

C  ??

ELGH

49’

LSWR

1920-3

8

720

-

8913-8924

(1001-1023)

C  ??

ELGH

51’

LSWR

1920-3

8

721

-

8925-8948

1001-1024

C  ??

ELGH

51’

LSWR

1920-3

9

722

-

8949-8974

1025-1037

L

LANC

54’

LBSC

1925

9

723

67

8975-8998

1121-1144

C  CB

AFD

46’

SECR

1928

8

725

214

[8999-9120]

1051-1109

L

LANC

54’

LBSC

1925/6

9

723 3

53

[8999-9120]

1051-1109

L

LANC

54’

LBSC

1925/6

9

724 4

53

9078 5

1078

L

ELGH

62’

LSWR

Dec-35

10

739 6

-

9121-9132

1110-1117

L

LANC

50’

LBSC

1926

9

726 7

136

9133-9155

1145-1167

C  CB

AFD

46’

SECR

1928/9

8

725

214

9140 8

1152

C  CB

LANC

54’

LBSC

1937

9

737

-

9156-9166 9

(1189-1194)

C  CB

AFD

46’

SECR

Mar-31

8

725

585

9157-9167 10

(1189-1194)

C  RP

AFD

STD

LSWR

Mar-31

11

727 11

 

9168-9170 12

1195-1196

C  RP

ELGH

STD

LSWR

Sep-34

10

731 A

791

9169-9171 13

1195-1196

C  CB

ELGH

STD

LSWR

Oct-34

10

732 B

791

9172

1197

C  RP

ELGH

STD

LSWR

Oct-34

10

731 A

791

9173-9175

1197-1198

C  CB

ELGH

STD

LSWR

Oct-34

10

732 B

791

9176-9182 14

1043-1049

C  CB

ELGH

STD

LSWR

Jul-35

10

732 B

844

9177-9183 15

1044-1050

C  RP

ELGH

STD

LSWR

Jul-35

10

731 A

844

9184

1111

C  CB

ELGH

STD

LSWR

Jul-35

10

732 B

844

9185

1112

C  RP

ELGH

STD

LSWR

Jul-35

10

731 A

844

9186

1113

C  CB

ELGH

STD

LSWR

Aug-35

10

732 B

844

9187

1097

C  RP

ELGH

STD

LSWR

Aug-35

10

731 A

844

9188

1064

C  CB

ELGH

STD

LSWR

Aug-35

10

732 B

844

9189

1092

C  RP

ELGH

STD

LSWR

Aug-35

10

731 A

844

9190

1071

C  CB

ELGH

STD

LSWR

Sep-35

10

732 B

844

9191

1070

C  RP

ELGH

STD

LSWR

Sep-35

10

731 A

844

9192

1042

C  CB

ELGH

STD

LSWR

Nov-35

10

732 B

853

9193

1041

C  CB

ELGH

STD

LSWR

Nov-35

10

732 B

853

9194

1059

C  CB

ELGH

STD

LSWR

Nov-35

10

732 B

853

9195

1040

C  RP

ELGH

STD

LSWR

Nov-35

10

731 A

853

9196

1096

C  RP

ELGH

STD

LSWR

Nov-35

10

731 A

853

9197

1039

C  RP

ELGH

STD

LSWR

Nov-35

10

731 A

853

9198

1055

C  RP

ELGH

STD

LSWR

Nov-35

10

731 A

853

9199

1073

C  RP

ELGH

STD

LSWR

Nov-35

10

731 A

853

9200

1038

C  CB

ELGH

STD

LSWR

Jul-36

10

732 B

901

9201

1072

C  RP

ELGH

STD

LSWR

Jul-36

10

731 A

901

9202

1118

C  CB

ELGH

STD

LSWR

Mar-37

10

732 B

901

9203

1119

C  RP

ELGH

STD

LSWR

Mar-37

10

731 A

901

9204

1120

C  CB

ELGH

STD

LSWR

Mar-37

10

732 B

901

9205

1199

C  RP

ELGH

STD

LSWR

Mar-37

10

731 A

901

9206

1068

C  CB

ELGH

STD

LSWR

Apr-37

10

732 B

901

9207

1067

C  RP

ELGH

STD

LSWR

Apr-37

10

731 A

901

9208

1103

C  RP

ELGH

STD

LSWR

Apr-37

10

731 A

901

9209-9255

1121-1167

C  RP

AFD

STD

LSWR

1928/9

11

727 16

214

9256-9277

1168-1178

L

LANC

AC

LBCS

1929/30

9

728

375

9278-9281

1179-1180

L

LANC

AC

LBSC

Jan-30

9

728

399

9282-9284 17

1181-1182

L

LANC

AC

LBSC

Feb-30

730

455

9283-9293 18

1181-1186

L

LANC

AC

LBSC

Feb-30

9

728

455

9286-9292 19

1183-1186

L

LANC

AC

LBSC

Feb/Mar-30

729

455

9294-9295

1187

L

LANC

AC

LBSC

Jul-30

9

728

516

9296

1188

C  CB

AFD

46’

SECR

9-Jul-30

8

725

516

9297

1188

C  RP

AFD

STD

LSWR

9-Jul-30

11

727 20

516

9298

1098

C  CB

ELGH

AFD

LSWR

Aug-37

10

739 21

901

9299

998

C  CB

ELGH

STD

LSWR

Jul-37

10

732 B

929

9300

999

C  RP

ELGH

STD

LSWR

Jul-37

10

731 A

929

9825

1000

C  CB

ELGH

STD

LSWR

Jul-37

10

732 B

929

9826

1200

C  RP

ELGH

STD

LSWR

Jul-37

10

731 A

929

9827

1081

C  RP

ELGH

STD

LSWR

Sep-37

10

731 A

929

9828

1084

C  CB

ELGH

STD

LSWR

Sep-37

10

732 B

929

9829

1095

C  CB

ELGH

STD

LSWR

Sep-37

10

732 B

929

9830

1085

C  RP

ELGH

STD

LSWR

Sep-37

10

731 A

929

10401

1093

C  RP

ELGH

STD

LSWR

Jan-38

10

731 A

965

10402

994

C  CB

ELGH

STD

LSWR

Jan-38

10

732 B

965

10403

993

C  RP

ELGH

STD

LSWR

Feb-38

10

731 A

965

10404

1090

C  CB

ELGH

STD

LSWR

Feb-38

10

732 B

965

10405

1108

C  CB

ELGH

STD

LSWR

Feb-38

10

732 B

965

10406

997

C  RP

ELGH

STD

LSWR

Feb-38

10

731 A

965

10407

1099

C  RP

ELGH

STD

LSWR

Feb-38

10

731 A

965

10408

1051

C  RP

ELGH

STD

LSWR

Mar-38

10

731 A

965

10409

995

C  CB

ELGH

STD

LSWR

Feb-38

10

732 B

965

10410

991

C  RP

ELGH

STD

LSWR

Mar-38

10

731 A

965

10411

989

C  CB

ELGH

STD

LSWR

Mar-38

10

732 B

965

10412

1082

C  CB

ELGH

STD

LSWR

Mar-38

10

732 B

965

10413

992

C  CB

ELGH

STD

LSWR

Apr-38

10

732 B

965

10414

1086

C  RP

ELGH

STD

LSWR

Apr-38

10

731 A

965

10415

996

C  RP

ELGH

STD

LSWR

Apr-38

10

731 A

965

10416

1104

C  CB

ELGH

STD

LSWR

Apr-38

10

732 B

965

10417

990

C  CB

ELGH

STD

LSWR

May-38

10

732 B

965

10418

1061

C  RP

ELGH

STD

LSWR

May-38

10

731 A

965

 

Notes

A

Diagram number altered to 741 when coaches reformed into 4 SUB units.

B

Diagram number altered to 740 when coaches reformed into 4 SUB units.

Footnotes

3

Diagram no. of many altered to 735/6 where sets reformed and close-coupled 1934 – 1938.

4

Diagram no. of many altered to 737/8 where sets reformed and close-coupled 1934 – 1938.

5

Replacement for original vehicle, underframe recovered from ‘steam’ third 779.

6

Diagram no. altered to 743 when coach reformed into 4 SUB unit.

7

Diagram No. altered to 733/4 where sets reformed and close-coupled 1934 – 1938.

8

Replacement for original vehicle.

9

Even numbers only.

10

Odd numbers only.

11

Diagram no. altered to 742 when coach reformed into 4 SUB unit.

12

Even numbers only, transferred to Sets 1115/1117 in 1934.

13

Odd numbers only.

14

Even numbers only.

15

Odd numbers only.

16

Diagram no. altered to 742 when coach reformed into 4 SUB unit.

17

Even numbers only.

18

Odd numbers only.

19

Even numbers only.

20

Diagram no. altered to 742 when coach reformed into 4 SUB unit.

21

Diagram no. altered to 743 when coach reformed into 4 SUB unit.

 


Origin of Trailer Set Vehicles
(where known)

Ex. LSWR Coaches

The original identity of conversions of former LSWR stock into 10 & 11-compartment trailer thirds at Eastleigh from 1934 onwards is known, with two distinct types being used, split between those converted into 11-compartment vehicles and those used as the basis of 10-compartment vehicles.

Coaches for conversion into 11-compartment Trailer Thirds for Trailer Sets were drawn from the large number of 51' 0" 7-compartment Brake Thirds built at Eastleigh between 1902 and 1912 as the end vehicles of bogie-block suburban sets. These coaches were constructed on wooden underframes, though with some steel strengthening, though those constructed after about 1905 had steel solebars. All had electric lighting from new. They had conventional buffers at the brakevan end and the LSWR pattern steel disc and drawbar block coupling at the passenger end.

Conversion work took place at Ashford works where the body was mounted onto a new standard 62' 0" underframe (from Lancing) and the former brakevan area was removed and replaced by four new 5' 6½" wide compartments. The original seven passenger compartments were 5' 6" wide however. The resulting 11-compartment coaches were therefore now 62' 0" long over bodies (64' 2¾" over buffers) and they now seated 110 third.

One each of the vehicles were used during 1928/9 (along with an SECR conversion) to form sets 1121-1167 whilst a few more were converted in 1930/1 for sets 1188-1194. All these vehicles had new underframes with a rubbing plate fitted at what became the inner end of the set. A number of the original discarded composite construction underframes were later re-used under passenger vans.

The following table lists these vehicles in their final electric stock number series, with their original numbers and construction dates, their second LSWR number where applicable, their new SR number (those in italics were never applied), the date the vehicle was withdrawn for conversion, the new electric stock number and the initial set allocation of the vehicle.

 

LSWR
1st no.

New
date

LSWR
2nd no.

SR
no.

Date
conv.

Electric
no.

Set
no.

1350

Nov-05

-

2803

Feb-31

9157

1189

94

Oct-05

1447

2825

Feb-31

9159

1190

57

Dec-05

1324

2793

Feb-31

9161

1191

96

Jun-05

1481

2826

Feb-31

9163

1192

638

Oct-05

1798

2869

Mar-31

9165

1193

209

Nov-05

1608

2838

Mar-31

9167

1194

1372

May-06

-

2810

17-Mar-28

9209

1121

708

May-06

1844

2877

17-Mar-28

9210

1122

266

Dec-02

1624

2841

17-Mar-28

9211

1123

153

May-05

1512

2829

17-Mar-28

9212

1124

750

Jun-03

1865

2883

17-Mar-28

9213

1125

1251

Jan-03

-

2754

14-Apr-28

9214

1126

260

Dec-02

1622

2840

14-Apr-28

9215

1127

1266

Jul-03

-

2767

21-Apr-28

9216

1128

310

Dec-02

1645

2845

28-Apr-28

9217

1129

1296

Oct-03

-

2781

12-May-28

9218

1130

1335

Feb-05

-

2797

19-May-28

9219

1131

21

Mar-04

1306

2786

26-May-28

9220

1132

37

Dec-02

1316

2791

26-May-28

9221

1133

27

Mar-02

1309

2787

26-May-28

9222

1134

292

Jun-03

1635

2842

26-May-28

9223

1135

684

Jun-05

1832

2874

26-May-28

9224

1136

295

Dec-02

1636

2843

28-Apr-28

9225

1137

1254

Feb-03

-

2757

14-Apr-28

9226

1138

555

Dec-02

1722

2857

28-Apr-28

9227

1139

686

Jun-05

1833

2875

12-May-28

9228

1140

1295

Dec-03

-

2780

12-May-28

9229

1141

1252

Jan-03

-

2755

19-May-28

9230

1142

1253

Feb-03

-

2756

19-May-28

9231

1143

1044

Feb-05

1954

2891

17-Apr-28

9232

1144

186

Apr-05

1600

2836

28-Apr-28

9233

1145

851

Dec-04

1902

2887

7-Nov-28

9234

1146

31

Dec-02

1311

2788

21-Nov-28

9235

1147

542

Dec-02

1715

2852

19-Jan-29

9236

1148

589

Dec-04

1752

2862

24-Oct-28

9237

1149

61

Feb-05

1370

2808

17-Jan-29

9238

1150

593

Oct-04

1756

2864

17-Jan-29

9239

1151

1336

Feb-05

-

2798

17-Jan-29

9240

1152

64

May-05

1393

2812

19-Dec-28

9241

1153

607

Oct-04

1769

2866

19-Dec-28

9242

1154

740

Mar-04

1859

2881

3-Dec-28

9243

1155

1590

Aug-12

-

2832

16-Feb-29

9244

1156

20

Jun-03

1305

2785

16-Feb-29

9245

1157

5

Dec-02

1299

2784

9-Feb-29

9246

1158

1330

Dec-04

-

2794

9-Feb-29

9247

1159

1024

Dec-04

1947

2889

9-Feb-29

9248

1160

1267

Nov-03

-

2768

16-Jan-29

9249

1161

725

Dec-05

1851

2878

9-Feb-29

9250

1162

1268

Nov-03

-

2769

16-Feb-29

9251

1163

1592

Sep-12

-

2834

16-Feb-29

9252

1164

788

Dec-05

1885

2885

16-Feb-29

9253

1165

335

Dec-02

1660

2849

16-Feb-29

9254

1166

730

Jul-03

1855

2880

16-Feb-29

9255

1167

1260

Jul-03

-

2761

9-Jul-30

9297

1188

 


Coaches for conversion into 10-compartment Trailer Thirds for Trailer Sets were drawn from a large batch of 8-compartment Thirds built at Eastleigh between 1894 and 1902, along with a few from a batch of 8‑compartment Second /Third composites (some of these having originally had four second and four third compartments) with the seconds at one end, whilst others had the four seconds in the centre of the coach with two thirds at each end.

The four vehicles of this type converted for use in Trailer Sets were all of the first type. These Composites were to an identical layout to the full thirds, the only difference being that the seating had side and a centre armrests dividing it into four seats across, and had been subsequently downgraded to all-third between 1918 and 1920 with the seating altered to five aside by removal of these armrests.

Virtually all of these coaches were delivered fitted with gas lighting which they retained until conversion to electric trailers, but some of the later built ones had electric lighting from new, whilst all were fitted with steam heating between 1908 and 1913. They were mounted on wooden underframes with steel flitch plates along the solebars.

Most had been renumbered by the LSWR (some of those delivered as composites more than once, all being downgraded to Thirds between 1918 and 1920), and all were renumbered again by the SR, though the process of renumbering was slow as vehicles were only done during major body overhauls involving complete repainting. The SR diagram number for these vehicles in loco-hauled format was 12.

During conversion at Eastleigh, most retained their original external appearance with side panelling with wooden overbeading. However, the last two batches converted were repanelled with flush steel panelling giving a much smoother external appearance. Two new matching compartments were added during conversion to bring them up to 62' 0" long, now with ten compartments and seating one hundred third-class.

Some of the new underframes were fitted with a rubbing plate (diagram no.731) whilst others had the centre-buffer (diagram no.732) at the inner end of the set. TT 9298 was slightly non-standard as the body was mounted onto a former ‘Continental’ 62’ 0” underframe built at Ashford October 193 for First 7372, this coach having its body destroyed by fire at Dover Marine in July 1935. As a result, it was allocated diagram number no. 739 which was amended to 743 when coach formed into 4 SUB unit no.4176.

The following table lists these vehicles in their final electric stock number series, with their original numbers and construction dates, type of lighting when new (G = gas, E = electric), their second LSWR number where applicable, their new SR number, the date the vehicle was withdrawn for conversion, the new electric stock number, the initial set allocation of the vehicle, diagram number No. and intermediate coupling type (RP = rubbing plate, CB = centre buffer).

 

LSWR
1st no.

New
date

Lamps

LSWR
2nd no.

SR
no.

Date
conv.

Electric
no.

Set
no.

Diag.
no.

Coupling
type

764 22

Feb-00

G

2903

541

Dec-35

9078 22

1078

732

CB

86

Sep-00

G

-

193

Sep-34

9168

1195

731

RP

1314

Dec-00

G

175

236

Sep-34

9169

1195

732

CB

39

Nov-95

G

-

176

Oct-34

9170

1196

731

RP

1103

Sep-95

G

460

446

Oct-34

9171

1196

732

CB

1311

Dec-00

G

179

239

Oct-34

9172

1197

731

RP

1309

Dec-00

G

186

243

Oct-34

9173

1197

732

CB

386

Jun-95

G

-

401

Oct-34

9174

1198

731

RP

44

Dec-96

G

-

180

Oct-34

9175

1198

732

CB

1090

Jul-95

G

502

474

Jul-35

9176

1043

732

CB

430

Jun-97

G

-

426

Jul-35

9177

1044

731

RP

182

Jun-96

G

-

242

Jul-35

9178

1045

732

CB

251

Dec-96

G

-

293

Jul-35

9179

1046

731

RP

1108

Jan-96

G

455

441

Jul-35

9180

1048

732

CB

1307

Dec-00

G

189

246

Jul-35

9181

1047

731

RP

395

Jun-96

G

-

407

Jul-35

9182

1049

732

CB

393

Dec-98

G

-

405

Jul-35

9183

1050

731

RP

188

Sep-00

G

-

245

Jul-35

9184

1111

732

CB

255

Dec-95

G

-

297

Jul-35

9185

1112

731

RP

516

Oct-99

G

-

484

Aug-35

9186

1113

732

CB

234

May-95

G

-

278

Aug-35

9187

1097

731

RP

1148

Aug-97

G

342

365

Aug-35

9188

1064

732

CB

751 24

Feb-00

G

2890

528

Aug-35

9189

1092

731

RP

1085

Jul-95

G

518

486

Sep-35

9190

1071

732

CB

378

Dec-95

G

-

395

Sep-35

9191

1070

731

RP

135

Dec-96

G

-

214

Nov-35

9192

1042

732

CB

227

Jun-98

G

-

274

Nov-35

9193

1041

732

CB

235

Dec-96

G

-

279

Nov-35

9194

1059

732

CB

1159

Aug-97

G

322

348

Nov-35

9195

1040

731

RP

1156

Aug-97

G

329

354

Nov-35

9196

1096

731

RP

363

Dec-98

G

-

381

Nov-35

9197

1039

731

RP

366

Nov-99

G

-

384

Nov-35

9198

1055

732

CB

1102

Sep-95

G

461

447

Nov-35

9199

1073

731

RP

1083

Jul-95

G

526

490

Jul-36

9200

1038

732

CB

78

Nov-95

G

-

191

Jul-36

9201

1072

731

RP

1316

Dec-00

G

168

233

Feb-37

9202

1118

732

CB

1110

Feb-96

G

450

439

Mar-37

9203

1119

731

RP

381

May-98

G

-

397

Mar-37

9204

1120

732

CB

1163

Aug-97

G

316

343

Mar-37

9205

1199

731

RP

154

May-98

G

-

222

Mar-37

9206

1068

732

CB

749 25

Feb-00

G

2888

526

Apr-37

9207

1067

731

RP

747 26

Sep-99

G

2886

524

Apr-37

9208

1103

731

RP

1306

Dec-00

G

194

249

Aug-37

9298

1098

739

CB

1104

Sep-95

G

459

445

Jul-37

9299

998

732

CB

503

Jun-98

G

-

475

Jul-37

9300

999

731

RP

 

Footnotes

22

Delivered as composite, third LSWR number 914 also carried.

23

Replacement for original vehicle.

24

Delivered as composite, third LSWR number 901 also carried.

25

Delivered as composite, third LSWR number 899 also carried.

26

Delivered as composite, third LSWR number 897 also carried.

 

 

Flush-panelled coaches after conversion

LSWR
1st no.

New
date

Lights

LSWR
2nd no.

SR
no.

Date
conv.

Electric
no.

Set
no.

Diag.
no.

Coupling
type

1046

Oct-99

G

571

506

Jul-37

9825

1000

732

CB

124

Dec-96

G

-

206

Jul-37

9826

1200

731

RP

1107

Jan-96

G

456

442

Sep-37

9827

1081

731

RP

404

Jun-97

G

-

411

Sep-37

9828

1084

732

CB

1111

Feb-96

G

439

433

Sep-37

9829

1095

732

CB

261

Dec-02

E

-

302

Sep-37

9830

1085

731

RP

487

Sep-00

G

-

463

Jan-38

10401

1093

731

RP

155

Jun-98

G

-

223

Jan-38

10402

994

732

CB

398

Jun-97

G

-

408

Feb-38

10403

993

731

RP

134

Dec-96

G

-

213

Feb-38

10404

1090

732

CB

520

Jun-98

G

-

487

Feb-38

10405

1108

732

CB

743 27

Sep-99

G

2882

520

Feb-38

10406

997

731

RP

435

Dec-96

G

-

431

Feb-38

10407

1099

731

RP

1320

Dec-00

G

158

226

Mar-38

10408

1051

731

RP

1244

Mar-00

G

246

288

Feb-38

10409

995

732

CB

136

Dec-96

G

-

215

Mar-38

10410

991

731

RP

195

Dec-96

G

-

250

Mar-38

10411

989

732

CB

1236

Mar-00

E

267

307

Mar-38

10412

1082

732

CB

1041

Dec-98

E

575

509

Apr-38

10413

992

732

CB

1055

Oct-98

E

562

502

Apr-38

10414

1086

731

RP

1091

Jul-95

G

491

467

Apr-38

10415

996

731

RP

1239

Apr-00

E

260

301

Apr-38

10416

1104

732

CB

224

Jun-95

G

-

272

May-38

10417

990

732

CB

1318

Dec-00

G

163

230

May-38

10418

1061

731

RP

 

 

Footnote

27

Delivered as composite, third LSWR number 893 also carried.

 


Ex. SECR Coaches

The ex. SECR coaches used in Central Section sets 1121-1167 and a subsequent batch 1188-1194 are known, these coaches being converted for Trailer Set use at Ashford works from a batch of fifty five 46' long 8‑compartment thirds constructed between 1900 and 1907. These vehicles seated eighty, the compartment widths being 5' 7½" and were 49' 11" long over buffers. The vehicles were constructed in three batches, ten being built by Metropolitan Railway Carriage & Wagon Co. in 1900, a larger batch of thirty‑five by Oldbury Railway Carriage & Wagon Co. in 1901 and a further twenty by the SECR itself at Ashford in 1906/7. Bogie centres were at 31' 0" and the underframes were of composite steel/wood construction, there being detail differences in these between the three batches.

All were new with electric lighting and vacuum brakes, the MRC&W and the first twenty‑four of the ORC&W batches were also Westinghouse air‑piped, though this was removed from most of them by 1920. Coaches were all fitted with steam heating between 1911 and 1916. These coaches were all renumbered by the SR and were allocated the diagram number no. 46.

Prior to the formation of the SR, these coaches had been earmarked by the SECR as possible conversions to electric multiple unit vehicles and on formation of the SR, all but six of them were allocated numbers (8999-9057) in the ‘electric’ series. However, the adoption of the LSWR system of electrification in the early years of the SR electrification programme led to them not being included at this stage and they were then allocated further numbers in the ‘steam’ series, though three coaches did carry their intended ‘electric’ numbers, one being renumbered back into the ‘steam’ series, the other two retaining theirs. Not all coaches were renumbered before their conversion to Trailer Set vehicles, retaining their SECR numbers until conversion. Those never renumbered have their intended numbers shewn in brackets.

The large increase in electric stock required for the Central Section schemes in 1928 led to these vehicles again being considered suitable for use as electric stock, and fifty‑four were subsequently converted at Ashford works for use in Trailer Sets, this work involving the fitting of Westinghouse air brakes and electric heating and the provision of control jumpers. The coaches were then close coupled with an ex. LSWR 11‑compartment coach to form Trailer Sets 1121-1167 and 1188 during 1928 /1929, with additional sets 1189-1194 added in 1931. These conversions were to H.O. number 214 (1121-1167) or H.O. 516 (1188) and H.O. 585 (1189-1194), all being allocated the new diagram number no. 725. All this batch of conversions were fitted with a central buffer at what became the inner end of the set.

The following table lists these vehicles in their final electric stock number series, with their original numbers and construction dates, builder (MCW for Metropolitan, OCW for Oldbury and AFD for Ashford) their SR ‘steam’ number and where applicable, their first SR ‘electric’ number, the date the vehicle was withdrawn for conversion, the new electric stock number and the initial set allocation of the vehicle.

 

SECR
no.

New
date

Builder

1st SR
elec. No.

SR steam
No.

Date
conv.

Electric
no.

Set
no.

3462

Feb-01

OCW

-

(1029)

17-Mar-28

8975

1121

2307

Mar-00

MCW

-

1013

17-Mar-28

8976

1122

708

Dec-06

AFD

-

1003

17-Mar-28

8977

1123

713

Feb-07

AFD

9012

(1008)

17-Mar-28

8978

1124

3454

Jan-01

OCW

-

1021

17-Mar-28

8979

1125

3461

Feb-01

OCW

-

1028

14-Apr-28

8980

1126

2308

Mar-00

MCW

-

1014

14-Apr-28

8981

1127

3485

Dec-01

OCW

-

1051

21-Apr-28

8982

1128

698

Aug-06

AFD

-

996

28-Apr-28

8983

1129

712

Feb-07

AFD

-

1007

12-May-28

8984

1130

3457

Jan-01

OCW

-

1024

19-May-28

8985

1131

2314

Jul-00

MCW

9023

(1019)

26-May-28

8986

1132

3465

May-01

OCW

-

(1032)

26-May-28

8987

1133

3459

Jan-01

OCW

-

1026

26-May-28

8988

1134

3456

Jan-01

OCW

-

1023

26-May-28

8989

1135

3472

May-01

OCW

-

1039

26-May-28

8990

1136

3463

May-01

OCW

-

(1030)

28-Apr-28

8991

1137

2310

Apr-00

MCW

-

1015

14-Apr-28

8992

1138

2312

Jul-00

MCW

-

1017

28-Apr-28

9883

1139

700

Aug-06

AFD

-

(998)

12-May-28

8994

1140

709

Dec-06

AFD

-

(1004)

12-May-28

8995

1141

3464

May-01

OCW

-

(1031)

19-May-28

8996

1142

2313

Jul-00

MCW

-

1018

19-May-28

8997

1143

706

Oct-06

AFD

-

(1002)

17-Apr-28

8998

1144

3476

Jun-01

OCW

-

1042

28-Apr-28

9133

1145

3482

Oct-01

OCW

-

(1048)

Nov-28

9134

1146

3471

Apr-01

OCW

-

1038

Nov-28

9135

1147

699

Aug-06

AFD

-

(997)

19-Jan-29

9136

1148

704

Oct-06

AFD

-

(1000)

Feb-29

9137

1149

3466

Mar-01

OCW

-

(1033)

16-Jan-29

9138

1150

3467

Mar-01

OCW

-

1034

16-Jan-29

9139

1151

3468

Mar-01

OCW

-

1035

16-Jan-29

9140

1152

2311

May-00

MCW

-

(1016)

Mar-29

9141

1153

3480

Oct-01

OCW

-

(1046)

Mar-29

9142

1154

3481

Oct-01

OCW

-

(1047)

Mar-29

9143

1155

714

Feb-07

AFD

-

1009

16-Feb-29

9144

1156

3479

Sep-01

OCW

-

1045

16-Feb-29

9145

1157

3475

Jun-01

OCW

-

1041

9-Feb-29

9146

1158

705

Oct-06

AFD

-

1001

9-Feb-29

9147

1159

3460

May-01

OCW

-

1027

9-Feb-29

9148

1160

3470

Mar-01

OCW

-

1037

16-Jan-29

9149

1161

702

Oct-06

AFD

-

999

9-Feb-29

9150

1162

711

Dec-06

AFD

-

1006

16-Feb-29

9151

1163

3469

May-01

OCW

-

(1036)

16-Feb-29

9152

1164

710

Dec-06

AFD

-

1005

16-Feb-29

9153

1165

3484

Nov-01

OCW

-

1050

16-Feb-29

9154

1166

3487

Dec-01

OCW

-

1053

16-Feb-29

9155

1167

3453

Dec-00

OCW

-

1020

Feb-31

9156

1189

3455

Jan-01

OCW

-

1022

Feb-31

9158

1190

715

Feb-07

AFD

-

1010

Feb-31

9160

1191

2306

Mar-00

MCW

-

1012

Feb-31

9162

1192

3458

Jan-01

OCW

9029

1025

Mar-31

9164

1193

3474

May-01

OCW

-

1040

Mar-31

9166

1194

2305

Mar-00

MCW

-

1011

16-Jul-30

9296

1188

(2511)

Oct-23

AFD

-

7372

Aug-37

9298 28

1098

 

Footnote

28

Only underframe used in conversion with LSWR body mounted onto it.

 


Ex. LBSCR Coaches

The ex. LBSCR coaches used in Trailer Sets are known, these being used in the 1925 ‘Guildford & Dorking’ sets 1025-1037, and the 1925 /1926 ‘Eastern Section’ sets 1051-1117, with subsequent conversions for the 1928 /1929 ‘Central Section’ sets 1168-1187. The coaches were taken from three main sources, 9‑compartment Thirds, either built new or converted from six‑wheeled bodies, conversions of former ‘AC’ electric vehicles modified and rebuilt for ‘DC’ use, and finally some further 9‑compartment Thirds from former bogie-block suburban sets, these being slightly shorter than the 9‑compartment coaches converted earlier from loose coaches.

A total of forty‑three ‘Rebuilt Thirds’ were rebuilt at Lancing in 1910 /1911 from 5‑compartment six-wheelers built between 1891 and 1897, their bodies being remounted onto a then standard LBSCR 54' steel underframe. A further four new matching compartments were then built to make up the 9‑compartment Third. The compartments of the original vehicle were 5' 10¼" wide whilst the new ones were 5' 11" between partitions. The six-wheelers had been gas lit and the new compartments were similarly equipped. Overall, these coaches now seated 90 and weighed about 23 tons. They were 54' long over bodywork and 8' 0" wide and were given the LBSCR diagram number No. 171, this becoming SR diagram number No. 72.

One prototype conversion at Brighton in 1907 utilised the bodies of two six‑wheelers, 495 & 558, the new coach taking the number 495. All these coaches were allocated ‘steam’ numbers by the SR but only six actually had these applied during overhaul in 1924 before the decision was taken to use them all as electric Trailer Set vehicles. Conversion to electric Trailer Set coaches took place at Lancing works in 1925 under H.O. order number 53 and involved fitting the vehicles with electric lighting and heating and provision of jumper connections at vehicle ends where these became the outer end of the Trailer Set.

The coaches already had Westinghouse air brakes so these did not require alteration, nor were the buffing arrangements changed as the Trailer Sets that these coaches were formed into remained loose coupled. These coaches were given the electric diagram number No. 724 and formed into sets 1051-1109 randomly after conversion, some being paired, whilst others were coupled to other similarly converted vehicles from purpose built 9‑compartment Thirds.

A large batch of one‑hundred & five 9‑compartment Thirds were built for the LBSCR, the first fifty being ordered from the Metropolitan Amalgamated Railway Carriage & Wagon Co. Ltd of Birmingham, these being delivered in 1911. A further twenty‑five were then built at Lancing during 1912 /1913 and a final batch of thirty, again from Lancing in 1921. These coaches were similar dimensionally to the ‘Rebuilt Thirds’ mentioned above, but all their compartments were of a standard width of 5' 10½" and they weighed 24 tons 2 cwt.

These coaches were equipped from new with electric lighting, though a few did not have dynamos. They were given the LBSCR diagram number No. 198, later SR diagram number No. 71. These coaches were allocated ‘steam’ numbers in the range 2186-2290 by the SR but only 23 overhauled during 1924 actually carried them, the remainder gaining their ‘electric’ numbers directly during conversion.

Once again conversion to electric working took place at Lancing where electric heating was installed and jumper connection boxes added at set ends. The 1921 built batch were converted first in 1925 for H.O. order number 67 and used in ‘Guildford & Dorking’ sets 1025-1037 being allocated to these in numbered pairs. Later conversions in 1925 /1926 for the ‘Eastern Section’ sets as part of H.O. order number 53 saw these coaches allocated to sets 1051-1110 & 1114 in random order and some were paired, others coupled to the ‘Rebuilt Thirds’ also being converted at this time. These coaches were allocated the diagram number No. 723.

As conversion of both types of 9‑compartment Thirds were running side by side, the converted coaches were given intermixed numbers in the range 8999-9120 as they were dealt with.

Coach numbers 9121-9132 were converted in 1926 at Lancing works to order number H.O. 136 for additional sets for the 1051-1117 batch of Trailer Sets for the ‘Eastern Section’ electrification. These coaches started life as 2nd /3rd Composites formed in bogie-block suburban carriage sets, these vehicles being close coupled with a centre buffer and rubbing plate arrangement. They were mounted on 50' steel underframes and had 9‑compartments, four former second-class at 5' 8½" wide and five former third class at 5' 2½" wide. These coaches weighed 21 tons (some weighed 22 tons when fitted with a dynamo) all having been built with electric lighting.

These coaches had been constructed either at Brighton or by the Birmingham Railway Carriage & Wagon Co. Ltd between 1898 and 1901. All were downgraded to all third class in 1911 and renumbered by the LBSCR into the Third number series, now being to diagram number No. 157.

Some of the bogie-block sets were disbanded from 1911 and others altered and fitted with long buffers to make them suitable for main line use, and all the coaches later selected for conversion to electric Trailer Set vehicles came from this type. All these thirds were renumbered by the SR being allocated numbers in the ‘steam’ series, but only two were actually renumbered thus during 1924, the remainder gaining their new ‘electric’ numbers directly during conversion. The SR allocated these vehicles diagram number No. 68, and this was amended into the electric series as 726 on conversion. These slightly shorter coaches were eventually formed into sets 1111-1113 & 1115-1117.

When the Trailer Sets which included many these coaches were reformed and close coupled from late 1934, the diagram numbers of the vehicles concerned were amended to reflect whether they were then fitted with either a rubbing plate or a centre buffer as follows:

 

Original diagram number

New diagram number
(centre buffer)

New diagram number
(rubbing plate)

723

736

735

724

737

738

726

734

733

 

The following table lists all these 9‑compartment Third coaches in their final electric coach number order, with their original numbers and construction dates, builder (BRCW for Birmingham RCW, BTN for Brighton, MCW for Metropolitan RCW and LANC for Lancing), the rebuilding date where six-wheelers had been rebuilt as bogie coaches, (all these were done at Lancing except the prototype at Brighton), the second LBSCR number when composites were downgraded to thirds, the SR ‘steam’ number where carried, the date the coach was converted for electric use (all conversions at Lancing), the new electric coach number, the set number the coach was initially formed into and the electric diagram number allocated.

At this time the LBSCR only recorded their new coaches every six months hence all the ‘New Dates’ are either Jun or Dec prefixed, actual building dates were more varied.

 

LBSCR
1st no.

New
date

Builder

Rebuilt
date

LBSCR
2nd no.

SR
steam no

Date
conv.

Electric
no.

Set
no.

Diag.
no.

4

Jun-21

LANC

-

-

-

Apr-25

8949

1025

723

6

Jun-21

LANC

-

-

-

Apr-25

8950

1025

723

7

Dec-21

LANC

-

-

2190

Apr-25

8951

1026

723

8

Dec-21

LANC

-

-

-

Apr-25

8952

1026

723

9

Dec-21

LANC

-

-

-

Apr-25

8953

1027

723

10

Dec-21

LANC

-

-

2193

Apr-25

8954

1027

723

17

Dec-21

LANC

-

-

-

Apr-25

8955

1028

723

21

Dec-21

LANC

-

-

-

Apr-25

8956

1028

723

22

Dec-21

LANC

-

-

-

Apr-25

8957

1029

723

32

Dec-21

LANC

-

-

-

Apr-25

8958

1029

723

39

Dec-21

LANC

-

-

-

Apr-25

8959

1030

723

40

Dec-21

LANC

-

-

-

Apr-25

8660

1030

723

42

Dec-21

LANC

-

-

-

Apr-25

8961

1031

723

44

Dec-21

LANC

-

-

-

Apr-25

8962

1031

723

49

Dec-21

LANC

-

-

-

Apr-25

8963

1032

723

54

Dec-21

LANC

-

-

-

Apr-25

8964

1032

723

60

Dec-21

LANC

-

-

-

Apr-25

8965

1033

723

64

Dec-21

LANC

-

-

-

May-25

8966

1033

723

66

Dec-21

LANC

-

-

-

May-25

8967

1034

723

67

Dec-21

LANC

-

-

2213

May-25

8968

1034

723

71

Dec-21

LANC

-

-

-

May-25

8969

1035

723

73

Dec-21

LANC

-

-

-

Apr-25

8970

1035

723

74

Dec-21

LANC

-

-

-

Apr-25

8971

1036

723

77

Dec-21

LANC

-

-

-

May-25

8972

1036

723

78

Dec-21

LANC

-

-

-

Apr-25

8973

1037

723

81

Dec-21

LANC

-

-

-

Apr-25

8974

1037

723

1

Jun-21

LANC

-

-

-

Jun-25

8999

1051

723

515

Jun-94

BTN

Dec-10

-

-

Jun-25

9000

1059

724

5

Dec-21

LANC

-

-

-

Jun-25

9001

1052

723

522

Jun-91

BTN

Dec-10

-

-

Jun-25

9002

1052

724

546

Jun-95

BTN

Dec-10

-

-

Jun-25

9003

1060

724

551

Dec-92

BTN

Dec-10

-

-

Jun-25

9004

1066

724

555

Jun-93

BTN

Dec-10

-

-

Jun-25

9005

1058

724

557

Jun-93

BTN

Jun-10

-

-

Jun-25

9006

1057

724

561

Jun-93

BTN

Dec-10

-

-

Jun-25

9007

1066

724

562

Jun-93

BTN

Dec-10

-

-

Jun-25

9008

1057

724

571

Jun-93

BTN

Dec-10

-

-

Jun-25

9009

1061

724

26

Dec-12

LANC

-

-

-

Jun-25

9010

1065

723

31

Dec-12

LANC

-

-

2198

Jul-25

9011

1056

723

1156

Jun-95

BTN

Jun-10

-

2325

Jul-25

9012

1059

724

36

Dec-21

LANC

-

-

-

Jun-25

9013

1053

723

38

Dec-21

LANC

-

-

-

Jun-25

9014

1056

723

1166

Jun-95

BTN

Jun-10

-

-

Jul-25

9015

1063

724

1167

Jun-95

BTN

Jun-10

-

-

Jul-25

9016

1063

724

1168

Jun-95

BTN

Jun-10

-

-

Jul-25

9017

1064

724

1169

Jun-95

BTN

Jun-10

-

-

Jul-25

9018

1072

724

1174

Jun-95

BTN

Jun-10

-

-

Aug-25

9019

1067

724

51

Dec-12

LANC

-

-

2207

Jul-25

9020

1072

723

1247

Jun-97

BTN

Jun-10

-

-

Aug-25

9021

1070

724

56

Dec-12

LANC

-

-

-

Jul-25

9022

1068

723

1251

Dec-97

BTN

Jun-11

-

-

Sep-25

9023

1079

724

1253

Dec-97

BTN

Jun-11

-

-

Oct-25

9024

1084

724

1380

Jun-11

MCW

-

-

2270

Jan-26

9025

1107

723

1381

Jun-11

MCW

-

-

2271

Jan-26

9026

1107

723

70

Dec-12

LANC

-

-

-

Oct-25

9027

1087

723

1382

Jun-11

MCW

-

-

-

Dec-25

9028

1097

723

1383

Jun-11

MCW

-

-

-

Dec-25

9029

1100

723

1384

Jun-11

MCW

-

-

-

Dec-25

9030

1103

723

1385

Jun-11

MCW

-

-

-

Dec-25

9031

1102

723

1386

Jun-11

MCW

-

-

-

Jan-26

9032

1109

723

1387

Jun-11

MCW

-

-

-

Jan-26

9033

1104

723

86

Dec-12

LANC

-

-

2221

Aug-25

9034

1073

723

330

Jun-95

BTN

Dec-10

-

-

Oct-25

9035

1085

724

357

Dec-95

BTN

Dec-10

-

2292

Aug-25

9036

1071

724

360

Jun-95

BTN

Dec-10

-

2293

Oct-25

9037

1081

724

377

Dec-95

BTN

Dec-10

-

2294

Oct-25

9038

1086

724

388

Dec-95

BTN

Dec-10

-

-

Oct-25

9039

1086

724

410

Dec-93

BTN

Dec-10

-

-

Dec-25

9040

1089

724

413

Dec-93

BTN

Jun-10

-

-

Oct-25

9041

1089

724

416

Dec-93

BTN

Dec-10

-

-

Oct-25

9042

1091

724

418

Dec-93

BTN

Jun-10

-

-

Oct-25

9043

1080

724

423

Dec-93

BTN

Dec-10

-

-

Oct-25

9044

1087

724

424

Dec-93

BTN

Dec-10

-

-

Dec-25

9045

1097

724

431

Dec-93

BTN

Dec-10

-

-

Dec-25

9046

1098

724

436

Dec-93

BTN

Dec-10

-

2303

Dec-25

9047

1096

724

437

Jun-95

BTN

Dec-10

-

-

May-25

9048

1054

724

438

Jun-95

BTN

Dec-10

-

-

Dec-25

9049

1099

724

459

Jun-95

BTN

Dec-10

-

-

Dec-25

9050

1108

724

460

Jun-96

BTN

Dec-10

-

-

Dec-25

9051

1101

724

461

Jun-96

BTN

Jun-10

-

-

May-25

9052

1055

724

465

Jun-94

BTN

Dec-10

-

-

Sep-25

9053

1079

724

484

Jun-94

BTN

Jun-10

-

-

Dec-25

9054

1108

724

488

Dec-92

BTN

Jun-10

-

2311

Dec-25

9055

1102

724

495

Dec-92

BTN

Dec-07 29

-

-

May-25

9056

1054

724

501

Dec-91

BTN

Jun-10

-

-

Dec-25

9057

1100

724

502

Dec-91

BTN

Jun-10

-

-

Dec-25

9058

1104

724

503

Dec-91

BTN

Jun-10

-

-

Sep-25

9059

1077

724

855

Dec-12

LANC

-

-

-

Jul-25

9060

1060

723

856

Dec-12

LANC

-

-

-

Jul-25

9061

1065

723

857

Dec-12

LANC

-

-

-

Jul-25

9062

1062

723

858

Dec-12

LANC

-

-

-

Jul-25

9063

1061

723

859

Dec-12

LANC

-

-

-

Jul-25

9064

1062

723

860

Dec-12

LANC

-

-

-

Jul-25

9065

1061

723

861

Dec-12

LANC

-

-

-

Jul-25

9066

1070

723

862

Dec-12

LANC

-

-

-

Jul-25

9067

1071

723

863

Dec-12

LANC

-

-

-

Jul-25

9068

1069

723

864

Dec-12

LANC

-

-

2231

May-25

9069

1053

723

872

Jun-13

LANC

-

-

2232

Jul-25

9070

1067

723

873

Jun-13

LANC

-

-

-

Jul-25

9071

1064

723

874

Jun-13

LANC

-

-

-

Jul-25

9072

1073

723

879

Jun-13

LANC

-

-

-

Jul-25

9073

1074

723

880

Jun-13

LANC

-

-

-

Oct-25

9074

1082

723

883

Jun-13

LANC

-

-

-

Oct-25

9075

1090

723

884

Jun-13

LANC

-

-

-

Aug-25

9076

1074

723

885

Jun-13

LANC

-

-

-

Aug-25

9077

1068

723

886

Jun-13

LANC

-

-

-

Sep-25

9078

1078

723

1351

Dec-10

MCW

-

-

-

Oct-25

9079

1083

723

1352

Jun-11

MCW

-

-

-

Sep-25

9080

1076

723

1353

Jun-11

MCW

-

-

-

Sep-25

9081

1075

723

1354

Jun-11

MCW

-

-

-

Sep-25

9082

1077

723

1355

Jun-11

MCW

-

-

-

Oct-25

9083

1088

723

1356

Jun-11

MCW

-

-

-

Sep-25

9084

1082

723

1357

Jun-11

MCW

-

-

-

Sep-25

9085

1080

723

1358

Jun-11

MCW

-

-

-

Oct-25

9086

1090

723

1359

Jun-11

MCW

-

-

-

Oct-25

9087

1091

723

1360

Jun-11

MCW

-

-

-

Nov-25

9088

1094

723

1361

Jun-11

MCW

-

-

-

Oct-25

9089

1083

723

1362

Jun-11

MCW

-

-

-

Sep-25

9090

1075

723

1363

Jun-11

MCW

-

-

-

Oct-25

9091

1085

723

1364

Jun-11

MCW

-

-

-

Sep-25

9092

1078

723

1365

Jun-11

MCW

-

-

-

Oct-25

9093

1092

723

1366

Jun-11

MCW

-

-

2256

Sep-25

9094

1081

723

1367

Jun-11

MCW

-

-

-

Oct-25

9095

1084

723

1368

Jun-11

MCW

-

-

-

Oct-25

9096

1088

723

1369

Jun-11

MCW

-

-

-

Oct-25

9097

1092

723

1370

Jun-11

MCW

-

-

-

Nov-25

9098

1095

723

1371

Jun-11

MCW

-

-

2261

Nov-25

9099

1095

723

1372

Jun-11

MCW

-

-

-

May-25

9100

1051

723

1373

Jun-11

MCW

-

-

-

Dec-25

9101

1099

723

1374

Jun-11

MCW

-

-

2264

Nov-25

9102

1093

723

1375

Jun-11

MCW

-

-

-

Jul-25

9103

1058

723

1376

Jun-11

MCW

-

-

2266

Nov-25

9104

1096

723

1377

Jun-11

MCW

-

-

-

Nov-25

9105

1094

723

1378

Jun-11

MCW

-

-

2268

Nov-25

9106

1093

723

1379

Jun-11

MCW

-

-

2269

Nov-25

9107

1098

723

1392

Jun-11

MCW

-

-

2282

Sep-25

9108

1076

723

1393

Jun-11

MCW

-

-

2283

Dec-25

9109

1103

723

1394

Jun-11

MCW

-

-

-

Dec-25

9110

1101

723

1395

Jun-11

MCW

-

-

-

Jan-26

9111

1106

723

1396

Jun-11

MCW

-

-

-

Jan-26

9112

1105

723

1397

Jun-11

MCW

-

-

2287

Jan-26

9113

1105

723

1398

Jun-11

MCW

-

-

-

Jan-26

9114

1106

723

1399

Jun-11

MCW

-

-

-

May-25

9115

1055

723

1400

Jun-11

MCW

-

-

2290

Jan-26

9116

1109

723

1388

Jun-11

MCW

-

-

2278

Feb-26

9117

1114

723

1389

Jun-11

MCW

-

-

-

Feb-26

9118

1114

723

1390

Jun-11

MCW

-

-

-

Feb-26

9119

1110

723

1391

Jun-11

MCW

-

-

-

Feb-26

9120

1110

723

500

Jun-01

BTN

-

1531

(2121)

Feb-26

9121

1111

726

499

Jun-01

BTN

-

1532

(2122)

Feb-26

9122

1113

726

624

Dec-10

BRCW

-

1533

(2123)

Feb-26

9123

1111

726

601

Dec-00

BRCW

-

1534

(2124)

Mar-26

9124

1112

726

618

Jun-01

BRCW

-

1535

(2125)

Mar-26

9125

1113

726

589

Jun-00

BRCW

-

1537

(2126)

Mar-26

9126

1112

726

619

Jun-01

BRCW

-

1590

(2143)

Apr-26

9127

1117

726

175

Jun-00

BTN

-

1688

(2158)

Apr-26

9128

1116

726

85

Jun-99

BTN

-

1727

(2164)

Feb-26

9129

1115

726

625

Dec-01

BRCW

-

1768

(2169)

Apr-26

9130

1117

726

600

Dec-00

BRCW

-

1778

2171

Apr-26

9131

1116

726

95

Jun-00

BTN

-

1781

2172

Mar-26

9132

1115

726

 

Note

Both former LBSCR Thirds 2121 & 2122 (under their SR numbers) are recorded as condemned at Lancing in 1931 /1932 and bodies broken-up, so the origins of electric trailers 9121 /9122 must have been different !

Footnote

29

Coach converted from two six-wheelers (495 & 558) at Brighton.

 

A further forty ex. LBSCR coaches were converted for use in Trailer Sets in 1929/30, all being converted from redundant ‘AC’ electric stock displaced by the conversion of the ‘Central Section’ lines during 1928/9. These coaches were altered at Lancing works into further 9‑compartment Trailer Thirds and renumbered into the Trailer Set number series becoming coaches 9256-9295 and allocated in numbered pairs to sets 1168-1187, these sets then being used for later stages of the Central Section conversion to DC.

Conversion ‘CP’ Motor Brake Thirds

The bulk of the coaches used in Trailer Sets (thirty‑four) were converted from former ‘CP’ Motor Brake Thirds, these being 7‑compartment vehicles seating 70 with compartments 5' 11" wide. There was a driving cab and guard's compartment at one end, above which were the bow collectors, the roof being depressed over this area.

These coaches were 57' 7" long over buffers with 54' 0" body length and had the distinctive girder-trussed underframes first seen on the ‘SL’ stock. Overall width was 8' 0" as some of the tunnels on the Crystal Palace lines had restricted clearances. Bogie centres were set at 37' 0" with all four axles motored with 150hp Winter Eichberg motors, and these coaches weighed 51 tons 6 cwt in motor coach form and were to LBSCR diagram number number 282 which became SR diagram number No. 676.

All were built by the Metropolitan Amalgamated Railway Carriage & Wagon Co. Ltd of Saltley, Birmingham, thirty in 1911 and a further four added in 1912. These coaches were originally numbered 3231-3264 by the LBSCR and as with all the ‘AC’ stock were not allocated to fixed unit formations. All these coaches were allocated new numbers by the SR, between 8567-8600, most gaining these during overhauls at Lancing in the next few years.

Conversion to ‘DC’ Trailer Third coaches took place at Lancing and involved rebuilding the former driver and guard's compartments as two matching third compartments, the coaches then becoming 9‑compartment vehicles seating ninety. The two new compartments were slightly narrower than the original nine at 5' 9" wide and were located at the outer end of the set. The former motor bogies were replaced by LBSCR type trailer bogies and in their new form these vehicles now weighed 25 tons and were given the new diagram number  728 and renumbered again into the range 9256-9295.

Conversion ‘AC’ Driving Trailer Composites

The remaining six vehicles required to complete this batch of forty coaches were converted from former ‘AC’ Driving Trailer Composites, these coaches again being to the same dimensions as the MBTs with 54' long bodies on rod-trussed underframes, 57' 7" long over buffers with an overall width of 8' 0" and bogie centres at 37' 0". Two were taken from the coaches built in 1911 to run with the ‘CP’ Motor Coaches, one being constructed by Metropolitan, the other at Lancing.

They consisted of a driver's compartment, five third class compartments 5' 10¼" wide and three first class compartments 6' 6¾" wide. They weighed 24 tons and seated 24 first and 40 third and were to diagram number 282 (SR 791).

The remaining four came from subsequent batches of coaches built in 1914 /1915 at Lancing, two becoming further ‘CP’ stock, whilst the other two did not enter service as ‘AC’ stock until 1925, having been stored partly unfinished through the war and then fitted with steam heaters and used temporarily as steam hauled stock until 1924 when they were modified for use as AC driving trailers for the Coulsdon & Wallington electrification. These coaches were similar dimensionally to the 1911 pair but had four first class compartments 6' 6½" wide and four thirds 5' 8" wide and seated thirty-two first and forty third. These were LBSCR diagram number 285 (diagram number 100 when in use as steam stock) altered to 792 by the SR.

Conversion work on these at Lancing works involved altering the former driver's compartment to a 5-seat coupe compartment 4' 0¾" wide and downgrading the first class compartments to third, these coaches then seating 85 third. The two 1911 coaches gained the new diagram number 729 whilst the remaining four became diagram number 730. These sets were loose coupled with all the coaches retaining conventional side buffers at both ends.

The following table shows details of these coaches in their electric coach number order, with their original LBSCR numbers, date constructed and builder details (LANC for Lancing Works and MCW for Metropolitan), the SR ‘AC’ number where carried, the date the coaches taken to Lancing for conversion, their new ‘DC’ numbers, the set they were initially allocated to and their new diagram numbers.

 

LBSCR
No.

New
date

Builder

SR ‘AC’
No.

Date
conv.

SR ‘DC’
No.

Set No.

Diag.
No.

3246

Jun-11

MCW

(8582)

10-Jul-29

9256

1168

728

3261

Dec-12

MCW

8597

10-Jul-29

9257

1168

728

3258

Dec-11

MCW

8594

15-Jul-29

9258

1169

728

3236

Jun-11

MCW

8572

15-Jul-29

9259

1169

728

3244

Jun-11

MCW

8580

22-Jul-29

9260

1170

728

3249

Jun-11

MCW

8585

22-Jul-29

9261

1170

728

3237

Jun-11

MCW

8573

31-Jul-29

9262

1171

728

3245

Jun-11

MCW

8581

31-Jul-29

9263

1171

728

3257

Jun-11

MCW

8593

17-Aug-29

9264

1172

728

3232

Jun-11

MCW

8568

17-Aug-29

9265

1172

728

3248

Jun-11

MCW

8584

24-Aug-29

9266

1173

728

3234

Jun-11

MCW

8570

24-Aug-29

9267

1173

728

3256

Jun-11

MCW

8592

24-Aug-29

9268

1174

728

3239

Jun-11

MCW

8575

24-Aug-29

9269

1174

728

3252

Jun-11

MCW

8588

28-Aug-29

9270

1175

728

3241

Jun-11

MCW

8577

28-Aug-29

9271

1175

728

3250

Jun-11

MCW

8586

11-Sep-29

9272

1176

728

3253

Jun-11

MCW

8589

11-Sep-29

9273

1176

728

3259

Dec-11

MCW

8595

18-Sep-29

9274

1177

728

3240

Jun-11

MCW

8576

18-Sep-29

9275

1177

728

3254

Jun-11

MCW

8590

18-Sep-29

9276

1178

728

3255

Jun-11

MCW

8591

18-Sep-29

9277

1178

728

3243

Jun-11

MCW

8579

1-Jan-30

9278

1179

728

3262

Dec-12

MCW

8598

1-Jan-30

9279

1179

728

3233

Jun-11

MCW

8569

1-Jan-30

9280

1180

728

3260

Dec-11

MCW

(8596)

1-Jan-30

9281

1180

728

4092

Jan-21

LANC

9908

26-Feb-30

9282

1181

730

3263

Dec-12

MCW

8599

26-Feb-30

9283

1181

728

4017

Jun-11

MCW

9841

26-Feb-30

9284

1182

730

3247

Jun-11

MCW

8583

26-Feb-30

9285

1182

728

4032

Jun-11

LANC

9856

26-Feb-30

9286

1183

729

3242

Jun-11

MCW

8578

26-Feb-30

9287

1183

728

4084

Dec-14

LANC

9893

26-Feb-30

9288

1184

730

3251

Jun-11

MCW

8587

26-Feb-30

9289

1184

728

4085

Dec-14

LANC

9894

8-Mar-30

9290

1185

730

3235

Jun-11

MCW

8571

8-Mar-30

9291

1185

728

4077

Dec-14

LANC

(9895)

8-Mar-30

9292

1186

729

3264

Dec-12

MCW

8600

8-Mar-30

9293

1186

728

3231

Jun-11

MCW

8567

9-Jul-30

9294

1187

728

3238

Jun-11

MCW

8574

9-Jul-30

9295

1187

728

 


Replacement coach 9140

One further ex. LBSCR coach was converted for use in ‘Central Section’ set 1152 whose 46' ex. SECR 8‑compartment coach was lost in an accident at Epsom Downs in July 1937. Conversion took place from December 1937 at Lancing works and the rebuilt vehicle was ready by July 1938 and formed into set 1152. This coach had a fascinating history, both the underframe and the body.

The 54' underframe came from a coach built at Lancing in December 1919 and intended as an ‘AC’ Driving Trailer Composite for the Coulsdon & Wallington scheme. This coach consisted of a driver's compartment, four first and four third compartments, the firsts being 6' 6½" in width, the thirds 5' 8" in width, to diagram number 284. The coach was numbered 4105 in the ‘AC’ series but was stored, partly completed until it was finished off in 1921 and fitted with steam heaters, entering service as a steam‑hauled coach and being renumbered into the ‘steam’ series as 6257 in October 1927. The unused driver's cab had the windows obscured.

In March 1931, coach 6257 (along with two others) was converted into a steam pull-push Driving Trailer Composite, the first-class compartment behind the disused cab being stripped out and merged with the cab section to form a combined driver's and guard's compartment 10' 8" long. Double doors were provided, the guard's door opening inwards and 1 ton of luggage was permitted.

The two end observation lights of the ‘AC’ design were retained, resulting in these three coach conversions being easily recognisable as other steam push‑pull coaches had four observation lights on the coach end.

The coach was then renumbered again, as 6939, given a revised diagram number No. 437 and formed with an ex. LSWR 8‑compartment Third as set 649. It was used mostly on the Eastern Section at Allhallows, Hythe and Westerham, but saw occasional use on the Central Section from Horsham working to both Guildford or Brighton.

Set 649 was then withdrawn in August 1937 and the bodywork of 6939 was removed and scrapped, the underframe then being available for further use.

The bodywork of the ‘new’ 9140 started life as a 54' bogie Third Brake 867 built at Lancing in June 1913 for four-set 78. This coach consisted of a large luggage area, 23' 11½" long with two pairs of double doors each side, the doors nearest the end of the coach opening inwards for the guard whilst the remaining three opened outwards. There were five third compartments (each 5' 10" wide) and the coach was to diagram number 202.

It had electric lighting from new and was used between London Bridge and Brighton or Hastings. The SR renumbered the coach 3968 in January 1927, in the meantime having equipped it with dual braking in 1925/1926 and formed it into three-set 826. The coach was then withdrawn from traffic in December 1937 and the body placed onto the underframe of similarly withdrawn 6939 in January 1938.

Conversion of the body then took place, the brake area being stripped and replaced with four new third compartments, the coach now being a 9‑compartment Trailer Third and given the unique diagram number 737. In this form the coach now seated ninety third and weighed 23 tons 8cwt. It was fitted with a centre buffer at one end.


Guildford & Dorking Stock
Sets 1025-1037

The extension of electrification to Dorking North & Guildford from 9th July 1925 required further electric stock and twenty‑six 3-Car Motor units (nos.1285-1310) were ordered for this scheme along with a further thirteen Trailer Sets, these appearing as sets 1025-1037 to order number H.O. 67.

These sets were made up from conversions of LBSCR bogie Thirds built at Lancing in 1921 and the conversions were also carried out at this works. Each vehicle weighed 25 tons 12cwt, was 57' 7" long over buffers (54' 0" over bodywork) and seated ninety third in nine compartments. Bogie centres were at 37' 0" inset 8' 5½" from the coach end. These coaches were already fitted with Westinghouse brakes prior to conversion. Each compartment was 5' 10.9/16" wide except the centremost which was 5' 10½" wide.

Bodywork was wooden panels with overbeading and ventilation louvers above the door droplights, those on smoking compartments being a metal tube with vents at each end, those on non-smoking compartments being a wooden louvered cover with the vent along the bottom edge. LBSCR upholstery of red & black tapestry with full back cushions was retained and electric heating and lighting fitted to the pattern of the LSWR sets with the lamps in glass bowls. Each coach contained three non-smoking compartments, these being located as the second one in from each end and the centremost one.

The coaches remained loose coupled, overall set length was 115' 2" and they weighed 51¼ tons and seated one-hundred & eighty third-class. All coaches were allocated SR diagram number 723 despite there being detail differences between each one of the set in connection with the lighting supply arrangements. These sets were similarly modified between 1934 and 1938 to the 1001-1024 batch with a central lighting jumper fitted, then becoming common-user with the remainder of the Trailer Set fleet.

Diagram numbers were altered to 735 and 736 during this modification programme when the sets were modified with the centre buffer and three link chain coupling between coaches, the odd numbered vehicles gaining a rubbing plate (diagram number 735) whilst the even numbered vehicles gained a centre buffer (diagram number 736).

All sets survived the war and were withdrawn between 1946 and 1949, a few surviving until the end of diagrammed Trailer Set working on Monday 27th September 1948, two bodies being grounded and three coaches appropriated for departmental use whilst a further two vehicles were converted to de-icing trailers and also taken into departmental stock. All the remaining bodies were broken-up at Lancing and the underframes cut-up shortly afterwards in the London area.

Set formations and disposal details were as follows:

[Note, where only one date is shewn in the disposal column, both coaches were dealt with on the same date].

 

Set No.

Date into traffic

TT

TT

Withdrawn
date

Body w/e scrap
date at Lancing

U/F w/e cut-up
date & location

Diag. No.

 

723

723

(As converted)

 

 

Diag. No.

 

735

736

(Amended)

 

 

1025

26-Jun-25

8949

8950

9-Dec-47

13-Dec-47

20-Dec-47 MI

1026

26-Jun-25

8951

8952

30-Nov-46

c.Jun-51?

c.Jun-51 LW?

1027

25-May-25

8953

8954

c.Jan-46

-

23-Feb-46 MI

1028

24-Jun-25

8955

8956

9-Mar-46

9-Mar-46

27-Jul-46 NXG

1029

25-May-25

8957

8958

4-Jan-47

-

-

1030

11-Jul-25

8959

8960

2-Oct-48

2-Apr-49

7-May-49 AW

1031

11-Jul-25

8961

8962

22-Sep-47

7-Feb-48

(as 590S)
17-Sep-49 MI

(8962)
21-Feb-48 AW

1032

11-Jul-25

8963

8964

2-Oct-48

26-Mar-49 (8963)
2-Apr-49 (8964)

?
?

1033

9-Jul-25

8965

8966

17-Jun-47

21-Jun-47

28-Jun-47 MI

1034

9-Jul-25

8967

8968

2-Oct-48

4-Dec-48

26-Feb-49 AW

1035

9-Jul-25

8969

8970

22-Sep-47

4-Oct-47 (8969)
11-Oct-47 (8970)

18-Oct-47 MI
25-Oct-47 MI

1036

9-Jul-25

8971

8972

23-Jun-47

5-Jul-47

12-Jul-47 MI

1037

29-Jun-25

8973

8974

2-Oct-48

9-Apr-49 (8973)
2-Apr-49 (8974)

30-Apr-49 AW
30-Apr-49 AW

 

Codes for underframe disposal locations:

AW

Angerstein Wharf

LW

Lancing works

MI

Mitcham

NXG

New Cross Gate

      

 

Individual Set Notes

Set

 

1025

Set commenced service 26-Jun-25.

Set withdrawn 13-Dec-47 and sent to Lancing for disposal. Both bodies broken‑up there w/e 13-Dec-47. Both underframes cut‑up at Mitcham w/e 20-Dec-47.

1026

Set commenced service 26-Jun-25.

Set damaged by F/B (V1 flying bomb) blast at West Croydon 23-Jun-44, repair details unknown.

Set withdrawn 30-Nov-46 and both coaches converted to stores vans at Lancing works, 8951 renumbered 434s and 8952 renumbered 435s 4-Jan-47. Subsequent disposal unknown but probably scrapped on site during 1951 after being withdrawn 30-Jun-51.

1027

Set commenced service 25-May-25.

Set withdrawn by c.Jan-46 and both bodies grounded at Southampton Docks w/e 26-Jan-46. Both underframes cut‑up at Mitcham w/e 23-Feb-46.

1028

Set commenced service 24-Jun-25.

Set withdrawn w/e 9-Mar-46 and both bodies broken-up at Lancing that w/e date, both underframes cut‑up at New Cross Gate w/e 27-Jul-46.

1029

Set commenced service 25-May-25.

Set withdrawn 4-Jan-47 and both coaches converted to De-Icing trailers, TT 8957 being renumbered DS396, TT 8958 being renumbered DS397. Conversions took place in November 1946.

1030

Set commenced service 11-Jul-25.

Set withdrawn 2-Oct-48 and sent to Lancing for disposal. Both bodies broken‑up there w/e 2-Apr-49. Both underframes cut‑up at Angerstein Wharf w/e 7-May-49.

1031

Set commenced service 11-Jul-25.

TT 8961 damaged by F/B (V1 flying bomb) blast at West Croydon 23-Jun-44, repaired at Durnsford Road.

Set withdrawn 22-Sep-47 and TT 8961 converted to a yard wagon at Lancing works and renumbered 590s 13-Mar-48, being finally withdrawn 25-Jun-49. Body or decking broken-up at Lancing w/e 3-Sep-49 and underframe cut-up by contractors at Mitcham w/e 17-Sep-49. Body of TT 8962 broken‑up at Lancing w/e 7-Feb-48 and underframe cut‑up at Angerstein Wharf w/e 21-Feb-48.

1032

Set commenced service 11-Jul-25.

Set withdrawn 2-Oct-48 and sent to Lancing for disposal. Body of TT 8963 broken‑up w/e 26-Mar-49, body of TT 8964 broken‑up w/e 2-Apr-49. Disposal of underframes uncertain, both sent from Lancing to Eastleigh 1-Apr-49.

1033

Set commenced service 9-Jul-25.

Set withdrawn 17-Jun-47 and sent to Lancing for disposal. Both bodies broken‑up there w/e 21-Jun-47. Both underframes cut‑up at Mitcham w/e 28-Jun-47.

1034

Set commenced service 9-Jul-25.

Set withdrawn 2-Oct-48 and sent to Lancing for disposal. Both bodies broken‑up there w/e 4-Dec-48. Both underframes to Hassocks for store 3-Dec-48, later cut‑up at Angerstein Wharf w/e 26-Feb-49.

1035

Set commenced service 9-Jul-25.

Set withdrawn 22-Sep-47 and sent to Lancing for disposal. Body of TT 8969 broken‑up w/e 4-Oct-47, body of TT 8964 broken‑up w/e 11-Oct-47. Both underframes cut‑up at Mitcham, TT 8969 w/e 18-Oct-47, TT 8970 w/e 25-Oct-47.

1036

Set commenced service 9-Jul-25.

Set withdrawn 23-Jun-47 and sent to Lancing for disposal. Both bodies broken‑up w/e 5-Jul-47. Both underframes cut‑up at Mitcham w/e 12-Jul-47.

1037

Set commenced service 29-Jun-25.

Set withdrawn 2-Oct-48 and sent to Lancing for disposal. Body of TT 8974 broken‑up w/e 2-Apr-49, body of TT 8973 broken‑up w/e 9-Apr-49. Both underframes cut‑up at Angerstein Wharf w/e 30-Apr-49.

 


Eastern Section Stock
Sets 1051-1117

The electrification of the Eastern Section suburban lines in 1925/1926 required a large increase in the quantity of electric stock to operate the new services. Stock authorised for this scheme was one-hundred and thirty four 3 Car Motor Units (nos.1401-1534), twenty-nine being newly built, the remaining one‑hundred and five being conversions of former SECR steam stock mounted on new standard 62' 0" underframes.

Also authorised as part of the scheme were a further sixty‑seven two-coach Trailers Sets, these appearing in 1925/1926 as sets 1051-1117, enabling sixty‑seven eight-coach trains to be available for the Eastern Section requirements.

These conversions were ordered in two batches, H.O. 53 for sets 1051-1109 & H.O. 136 for sets 1110-1117.

The vehicles converted for these sets at Lancing works were numbered 8999-9132 and came from several different sources. Vehicles 8999-9120 in sets 1051-1110 & 1114 had two main origins, forty‑three of them were former six-wheelers built between 1891 and 1899 at Brighton and mounted on new underframes at Lancing in 1910/1911 with four newly built compartments added (they still retained their gas lighting), whilst a further seventy‑nine were from new construction between 1910-1913 and a further batch in 1921, twenty‑nine were built at Lancing and fifty came from the Metropolitan Amalgamated Railway Carriage & Wagon Co. Ltd.

These coaches were all 9‑compartment Thirds seating 90 and vehicles were 57' 7" long over buffers (54' body length) and weighed 23 tons 8cwt. Bogie centres were at 37' and overall width 8'. These coaches were new with electric lighting.

Compartments were 5' 109/16" in width (except the centremost one which was 5' 10½" wide) in the 9‑compartment coaches built as such, but the ex. six‑wheeled bodies varied with the original five compartments being 5' 10¼" wide and the newer ones added being 5' 11" in width. The converted six‑wheelers became SR diagram number 724 whilst the bogie coach conversions were to diagram number 723.

The final twelve vehicles converted were 9121-9132 (going to sets 1111-1113 & 1115-1117), these having been built between 1899 and 1901, seven by the Birmingham Railway Carriage & Wagon Company and five at Brighton. These coaches were built as bogie 2nd /3rd Composites and close coupled as part of bogie-block suburban stock. All were downgraded to Third-class in 1911 with each of the compartments then seating ten. These coaches were 50' over body, 8' in width and had bogie centres at 33' and weighed 21 tons 17cwt. The former second class compartments were 5' 8½" wide whilst the original thirds were 5' 2½" wide, and these coaches were allocated the diagram number 726.

Conversion work involved fitting jumper connections at set ends, conversion to electric lighting where necessary, installation of electric heating and through electrical cabling. Many former LBSCR features were retained such as wire racks, air extractors and door & commode handles; the bodies were wooden panelled with wooden beading over panel joints and the seating was ‘full back’.

These sets remained loose coupled and were 115' 2" long overall, weighed 46 tons 16cwt and seated one-hundred & eighty third-class, though 1111-1113 & 1115-1117 were only 107' 2" long and weighed 43 tons 14cwt. An odd feature was that the ventilation louvres on the doors were of a different pattern for smoking compartments (a metal tube with vents at each end) and non-smoking compartments (a wooden cover with the vent along the bottom edge). Each coach contained three non-smoking compartments, located as the second from each end and the centremost one.

Many of these sets were subject to reforming between October 1934 and May 1938 when one of the LBSCR coaches was displaced by a newly converted former LSWR 10‑compartment conversion mounted onto a standard SR 62' 0" underframe. The displaced former LBSCR vehicles were used to form further Trailer Sets, being coupled with further fresh ex. LSWR 10‑compartment conversions. Other LBSCR coaches were swapped between sets at this time.

Wartime Damage & Reformations

Some sets were lost to war damage and the survivors were withdrawn between 1943 and 1948, the LBSCR coaches being scrapped, though a number of grounded bodies survived much longer, whilst the LSWR coaches were used to augment 3 Car Motor Units to 4 SUB, most of these later having their bodies scrapped and the SR type underframes were then reused for 4 EPB vehicle construction.

When reformed with an ex. LSWR trailer, the coaches were then close-coupled with the centre buffer and three-link chain arrangement. This also entailed altering the diagram numbers of the coaches, those originally to diagram number 723 becoming 736 (buffer) or 735 (rubbing plate), those originally to diagram number 724 becoming 737 (buffer) or 738 (rubbing plate) whilst the shorter diagram number 726 vehicles became 734 (buffer) or 733 (rubbing plate).

Original formations of Trailer Sets 1051-1117 are shewn in the list below prior to the 1934 onwards reforming with LSWR coaches. The thirty‑four vehicles displaced during the reforming were used, along with a further LSWR coach to form new Trailer Sets numbered 989-1000, 1038-1050, 1118-1120 & 1195-1200.

Coaches with the shorter underframes are marked with * after the vehicle number, whilst the six‑wheeled body conversions are marked with # after the vehicle number. The ‘new’ date is the date the LBSCR coaches were taken to Lancing for conversion, the entry to traffic of the new Trailer Set being a few weeks later, whilst the date of the reformation shewn is that which the ex. LSWR replacement coach was withdrawn from traffic for conversion, the actual date of return to traffic of the reformed Trailer Set being shortly afterwards. The displaced trailer was that shewn in the right‑hand column of the set formation list, and reformed sets are shewn again later in a second list in their new formations. A number of sets had both their original coaches transferred to ‘new’ sets, in these cases both vehicles are shewn in the ‘Displaced TT’ column with the left-hand one first in each case.

 

Original set formations

 

Set no.

Date into traffic

TT

TT

Date
reformed

Displaced
TT to set

Replacement
TT

Date
withdrawn

Diag. No.

 

723

723

 

 

 

 

Diag. No.

 

724#

724#

 

 

 

 

Diag. No.

 

726*

726*

 

 

 

 

1051

30-Aug-25

8999

9100

Mar-38

989

10408

-

1052

31-Aug-25

9001

9002#

-

-

-

31-Mar-43

1053

31-Aug-25

9013

9069

-

-

-

Nov-45

1054

31-Aug-25

9048#

9056#

Oct-41

-

9291

-

1055

31-Aug-25

9115

9052#

Nov-35

1040

9198

-

1056

31-Aug-25

9011

9014

-

-

-

29-Jul-48

1057

1-Sep-25

9006#

9008#

-

-

-

c.May-46

1058

31-Aug-25

9005#

9103

-

-

-

2-Oct-48

1059

21-Sep-25

9012#

9000#

Nov-35

1039

9194

-

1060

21-Sep-25

9003#

9060

-

-

-

Nov-45

1061

21-Sep-25

9063

9065

May-38

990

10418

-

1062

21-Sep-25

9062

9064

-

-

-

10-Mar-43

1063

21-Sep-25

9015#

9016#

-

-

-

20-Nov-40

1064

2-Oct-25

9071

9017#

Sep-35

1092

9188

-

1065

21-Sep-25

9010

9061
9116

-

-

-

Dec-45

1066

21-Sep-25

9004#

9007#

-

-

-

14-Jul-43

1067

21-Sep-25

9019#

9070

Apr-37

1120/1199

9030/9207

-

1068

21-Sep-25

9022

9077

Mar-37

1098/1119

9109/9206

-

1069

21-Sep-25

9068

9009#

-

-

-

22-Dec-43

1070

19-Sep-25

9021#

9066

Sep-35

1071

9191

-

1071

21-Sep-25

9036#

9067

Sep-35

1048/1047

9066/9190

 

1072

21-Sep-25

9018#

9020

Jun-36

1038

9201

-

1073

21-Sep-25

9072

9034

Nov-35

1041

9199

-

1074

6-Oct-25

9073

9076

-

-

-

2-Oct-48

1075

30-Oct-25

9081

9090

-

-

-

21-Jul-43

1076

13-Oct-25

9080

9108

-

-

-

27-Jul-48

1077

17-Nov-25

9059#

9082

-

-

-

26-May-43

1078

16-Nov-25

9092

9078
9078 [1]

Dec-35

-

-

-

1079

21-Nov-25

9023#

9053#

-

-

-

9-Jul-47

1080

7-Dec-25

9043#

9085

-

-

-

7-Apr-42

1081

19-Nov-25

9037#

9094

Sep-37

1085/1095

9099/9827

-

1082

17-Nov-25

9074

9084

Mar-38

991

10412

-

1083

20-Nov-25

9079

9089

-

-

-

4-Jan-47

1084

19-Nov-25

9095

9024#

Sep-37

1200/1000

9098/9828

-

1085

19-Nov-25

9035#

9091

Sep-37

999/998

9037/9830

-

1086

18-Dec-25

9038#

9039#

Apr-38

992

10414

-

1087

17-Dec-25

9044#

9027

Oct-34

1198

9175

-

1088

17-Feb-26

9083

9096

-

-

-

15-Jul-47

1089

5-Feb-26

9040#

9041#

-

-

-

18-Nov-42

1090

17-Feb-26

9075

9086

Feb-38

993

10404

-

1091

23-Feb-26

9042#

9087

-

-

-

26-Sep-47

1092

22-Feb-26

9097

9093

Sep-35

1045/1046

9017/9189

-

1093

22-Feb-26

9102

9106

Jan-38

994

10401

-

1094

9-Feb-26

9088

9105

-

-

-

22-Sep-43

1095

8-Feb-26

9098

9099

Sep-37

1084/1081

9094/9829

-

1096

15-Feb-26

9104

9047#

Jul-35

1042

9196

-

1097

23-Feb-26

9045#

9028

Nov-34

1043/1044

9122/9187

-

1098

19-Feb-26

9046#

9107

Aug-37

1103/1118

9022/9298

-

1099

1-Mar-26

9049#

9101

Feb-38

995

10407

-

1100

28-Feb-26

9029

9057#

-

-

-

10-Mar-43

1101

18-Mar-26

9051#

9110

-

-

-

14-Jun-48

1102

1-Mar-26

9031

9055#

-

-

-

22-Mar-45

1103

28-Feb-26

9030

9109

Apr-37

1067/1068

9046/9208

-

1104

20-May-26

9033

9058#

Apr-38

996

10416

-

1105

1-Jun-26

9112

9113

-

-

-

2-Oct-48

1106

28-May-26

9111

9114

-

-

-

14-Sep-48

1107

1-Jul-26

9025

9026

-

-

-

17-Mar-42

1108

1-Jul-26

9050#

9054#

Feb-38

997

10405

-

1109

19-Jul-26

9032

9116

-

-

-

Jan-45

1110

19-Jul-26

9119

9120

-

-

-

9-Jul-47

1111

12-Aug-26

9121*

9123*

Jul-35

1050/1049

9126/9184

-

1112

18-Aug-26

9124*

9126*

Jul-35

1111

9185

-

1113

31-Aug-26

9125*

9122*

Aug-35

1097

9186

-

1114

28-Sep-26

9117

9118

-

-

-

31-Mar-43

1115

28-Dec-26

9129*

9132*

Oct-34

1196

9170

-

1116

5-Oct-26

9128*

9131*

Oct-34

1197

9173

-

1117

2-Oct-26

9127*

9130*

Sep-34

1195

9168

-

 

Footnote

30

Replacement coach for original, ex. LSWR 10-compartment conversion, diagram no.739.

 


Individual Set Notes

Note

A number of coaches are shewn as disposed of by ‘London Bridge’, it is believed that the job of breaking these was allocated to London Bridge C&W and was carried out in the London area (possibly at Ewer Street or Rotherhithe Road?) though breaking-up is unlikely to have been carried out at London Bridge itself.

 

Set

 

1051

Set commenced service 30-Aug-25.

Set reformed Mar-38 and TT 9100 to new set 989, replaced by newly converted TT 10408

1052

Set commenced service 31-Aug-25.

Set withdrawn 31-Mar-43, both bodies grounded for wartime use 18-Aug-43, TT 9001 at Wokingham for fire prevention, TT 9002 at Eastleigh also for fire prevention. Both underframes cut‑up at New Cross Gate? (no date).

1053

Set commenced service 31-Aug-25.

Set withdrawn Nov-45 and both coaches converted to de-icing trailers. TT 9013 renumbered DS353, TT 9069 renumbered DS354.

1054

Set commenced service 22-Jul-35.

Set not one reformed with LSWR coach pre-war, but TT 9056 withdrawn 29-Oct-41 and body grounded at Fratton for Fire Watchers 5-Nov-41, underframe being cut-up at New Cross Gate 14-Jan-42.

Replaced by TT 9291 (ex. 1185), a 9‑compartment ex. LBSCR AC coach conversion. This coach was a former ‘CP’ MBT converted to DC operation at Lancing Mar-30, then seating ninety, It now weighed 26 tons 9cwt and was 57' 7" long, the overall length of this set remaining unchanged at 115' 2" as it remained loose‑coupled. Set was non-standard in weight at 49 tons 17cwt and now seated one-hundred & eighty third.

1055

Set commenced service 31-Aug-25.

Set reformed Nov-35 and TT 9052 to new set 1040, replaced by newly converted TT 9198.

1056

Set commenced service 31-Aug-25.

Set slightly damaged by F/B (V1 flying bomb) blast near St Helier 4-Jul-44, repair details unknown.

Set withdrawn 29-Jul-48 and stored briefly at Hever, both bodies broken‑up at Lancing w/e 9-Oct-48, underframes sent to Hassocks 12-Oct-48, later cut‑up at Angerstein Wharf w/e 30-Oct-48.

1057

Set commenced service 1-Sep-25.

Set withdrawn c.May‑46 and both bodies broken-up at New Cross Gate w/e 25-May-46. Underframe of 9006 also cut-up there w/e 22-Jun-46 whilst that of 9008 cut‑up at Mitcham w/e 1-Jun-46.

1058

Set commenced service 31-Aug-25.

Set withdrawn 2-Oct-48 and both bodies broken-up at Lancing w/e 12-Mar-49. (Underframe disposal unknown, both sent from Lancing to Eastleigh 11-Mar-49).

1059

Set commenced service 21-Sep-25.

Set reformed Nov-35 and TT 9000 to new set 1039, replaced by newly converted TT 9194.

1060

Set commenced service 21-Sep-25.

Set withdrawn Nov-45 and both coaches converted to de-icing trailers. TT 9003 renumbered DS356, TT 9060 renumbered DS355.

1061

Set commenced service 21-Sep-25.

Set reformed May-38 and TT 9065 to new set 990, replaced by newly converted TT 10418.

1062

Set commenced service 21-Sep-25.

Set withdrawn 10-Mar-43, both bodies grounded for wartime use, TT 9062 at Wareham for Home Guard 7-Jul-43, TT 9064 at Tooting also for Home Guard 30-Jun-43. Both underframes cut‑up when bodies grounded.

1063

Set commenced service 21-Sep-25.

Set destroyed by enemy action, (location unknown, possibly at Charing Cross 19-Sep-40) and withdrawn 20-Nov-40.

1064

Set commenced service 2-Oct-25.

Set reformed Sep-35 and TT 9017 to 1092, replaced by newly converted TT 9188.

1065

Set commenced service 21-Sep-25.

Set slightly damaged by F/B (V1 flying bomb) blast at West Croydon 23-Jun-44, repaired at Selhurst.

Set badly damaged by V2 explosion at Peckham Rye 6-Jan-45 and TT 9061 withdrawn and scrapped 13-Jan-45. Replaced by damaged TT 9116 (ex. 1109) and after repairs set ran for a brief period before being withdrawn Dec-45. Both TT's 9010 and 9116 then converted to de-icing trailers and renumbered DS351 and DS352 respectively.

1066

Set commenced service 21-Sep-25.

Set withdrawn 14-Jul-43, both bodies grounded, TT 9004 at Halwill Jct. for C&W Dept, TT 9007 at Southampton Old Docks for Admiralty use. Underframe of 9004 cut-up at New Cross Gate 5-Jan-44 and that of 9007 at Mitcham w/e 17-Feb-45.

1067

Set commenced service 21-Sep-25.

Set disbanded Mar-37 and TT 9019 to new set 1120, TT 9070 to new set 1199. Set reformed again Apr-37 using TT 9030 (ex. 1103) and newly converted TT 9207.

1068

Set commenced service 21-Sep-25.

Set disbanded Mar-37 and TT 9022 to 1098 (from Aug-37), TT 9077 to new set 1119. Set reformed again Apr-37 using TT 9109 (ex. 1103) and newly converted TT 9206.

1069

Set commenced service 21-Sep-25.

Set withdrawn 22-Dec-43, both bodies grounded, TT 9009 at Folkestone Harbour for staff accommodation Jan-44, TT 9068 at Bricklayers Arms for female rest room Apr-44. Underframe of 9009 cut‑up 2-Sep-44, that of 9068 10-Jun-44, both at New Cross Gate.

1070

Set commenced service 19-Sep-25.

Set reformed Sep-35 and TT 9066 to 1071, replaced by newly converted TT 9191.

1071

Set commenced service 21-Sep-25.

Set disbanded Sep-35 and TT 9036 to new set 1048, TT 9067 to new set 1047. Set reformed again Sep-35 using TT 9066 (ex. 1070) and newly converted TT 9190.

1072

Set commenced service 21-Sep-25.

Set reformed Jun-36 and TT 9020 to new set 1038, replaced by newly converted TT 9201.

1073

Set commenced service 21-Sep-25.

Set reformed Nov-35 and TT 9034 to new set 1041, replaced by newly converted TT 9199.

1074

Set commenced service 6-Oct-25.

Set withdrawn 2-Oct-48, both bodies broken‑up at Lancing w/e 16-Oct-48 and both underframes sent to Hassocks 16-Oct-48, later cut‑up at Angerstein Wharf? w/e 5-Mar-49.

1075

Set commenced service 30-Oct-25.

Set withdrawn 21-Jul-43 and TT 9090 grounded at Worthing Central Sep-43 for wartime use. Underframe cut‑up 2-Feb-44 (location unknown). TT 9081 scrapped 29-Apr-44 (again location unknown). (Body of 9090 believed still extant Oct-64).

1076

Set commenced service 13-Oct-25.

Set withdrawn 27-Jul-48, both bodies broken‑up at Lancing w/e 9-Apr-49 and both underframes sent to Angerstein Wharf 14-Apr-49 and cut‑up there w/e 21-May-49.

1077

Set commenced service 17-Nov-25.

Set withdrawn 26-May-43, both bodies grounded at Brighton Top Yard Jun-43 for C&W Dept. use. Underframes cut‑up at New Cross Gate 1-Sep-43.

1078

Set commenced service 16-Nov-25.

TT 9078 withdrawn after accident damage (where?) Jul-35 and replaced Dec-35 by a newly converted ex. LSWR 8‑compartment coach mounted on an SR 62' 0" frame, now with ten compartments seating one-hundred. The eight original compartments were 5' 10.3/8" wide whilst the two new ones added were 6' 10.7/8" wide and were located at the end of the coach coupled to TT 9092. This vehicle weighed 27 tons and was 64' 8" long so set now seated 180, was 121' 6" long and weighed 50 tons 8cwt. The replacement coach was converted at Eastleigh works Dec-35 and was to diagram number 739 and was close-coupled to TT 9092. It was mounted on the underframe of former ‘Continental’ Maunsell Third 779 whose body had been destroyed by fire at Dover Marine Jul-35, the underframe having been constructed by the MCWF Co. Ltd in 1927 and the body built at Eastleigh. The remains of the original 9078 were cut-up in July 1936 (location unknown).

Set withdrawn 7-Aug-48 and TT 9078 to 4 SUB 4190 Nov-48. TT 9092 body broken‑up at Lancing w/e 28-Aug-48, underframe cut‑up at Angerstein Wharf w/e 11‑Sep‑48.

1079

Set commenced service 21-Nov-25.

Set slightly damaged by F/B (V1 flying bomb) blast at Selhurst station 14-Jul-44, repaired at the depot.

TT 9053 damaged again by F/B (V1 flying bomb) blast at Earlsfield 21-Jul-44, repair details unknown.

Set withdrawn 9-Jul-47 and TT 9023 grounded at Lancing w/e 13-Dec-47, underframe sent to Mitcham 9-Dec-47 and cut-up there w/e 20-Dec-47. Body of TT 9053 broken‑up at Lancing 29-Nov-47, underframe sent to Mitcham 5-Dec-47 and cut-up there w/e 3-Jan-48.

1080

Set commenced service 7-Dec-25.

Set withdrawn 7-Apr-42 and TT 9085 grounded at Lancing C&W for wartime use. Body of TT 9043 broken-up at Lancing 8-Sep-42 and underframe used in repair of steam-hauled Brake Third 3851. Body of TT 9085 in two parts by Sep-46, the underframe having been cut‑up earlier at Lancing 29-Jul-42.

1081

Set commenced service 19-Nov-25.

Set disbanded Jul-37 and TT 9037 to set 1085, TT 9094 to set 1095 Sep-37.

Set reformed again Sep-37 using TT 9099 (ex. 1095) and newly converted TT 9827.

1082

Set commenced service 17-Nov-25.

Set reformed Mar-38 and TT 9084 to new set 991, replaced by newly converted TT 10412.

1083

Set commenced service 20-Nov-25.

Set withdrawn 4-Jan-47 and both coaches converted to de-icing trailers. TT 9079 renumbered DS398, TT 9089 renumbered DS399. Conversions took place Nov-46.

1084

Set commenced service 19-Nov-25.

Set disbanded Jul-37 and TT 9024 to new set 1000, TT 9095 to new set 1200.

Set reformed again Sep-37 using TT 9098 (ex. 1095) and newly converted TT 9828.

1085

Set commenced service 19-Nov-25.

Set disbanded Jul-37 and TT 9091 to new set 998, TT 9035 to new set 999.

Set reformed again Sep-37 using TT 9037 (ex. 1081) and newly converted TT 9830.

1086

Set commenced service 18-Dec-25.

Set reformed Apr-38 and TT 9039 to new set 992, replaced by newly converted TT 10414.

1087

Set commenced service 17-Dec-25.

Set reformed Oct-34 and TT 9027 ex. changed with TT 9175 (ex. 1198).

1088

Set commenced service 17-Feb-26.

Set withdrawn 15-Jul-47, bodies both broken‑up at Lancing, that of 9083 w/e 19-Jul-47 and 9096 w/e 26-Jul-47, whilst both underframes sent to Mitcham 25-Jul-47 and cut‑up there w/e 2-Aug-47.

1089

Set commenced service 5-Feb-26.

Set damaged in collision at Waterloo 12-Nov-42 and withdrawn 18-Nov-42, both bodies grounded for wartime use, TT 9040 at Orpington for Fire Watchers Jan-43, TT 9041 at Bricklayers Arms for C&W Dept. Mar-43.

Underframe of 9040 cut‑up 3-Mar-43, that of 9041 similarly dealt with 17-Mar-43, both at New Cross Gate.

1090

Set commenced service 17-Feb-26.

Set reformed Feb-38 and TT 9086 to new set 993, replaced by newly converted TT 10404.

1091

Set commenced service 23-Feb-26.

Set withdrawn 26-Sep-47, both bodies broken‑up at Lancing, that of 9042 w/e 31-Jan-48 and 9087 w/e 7-Feb-48, whilst both underframes were sent to Angerstein Wharf 11-Feb-48 and cut‑up there w/e 21-Feb-48.

1092

Set commenced service 22-Feb-26.

Set disbanded Sep-35 and TT 9093 to new set 1046, TT 9097 to new set 1045.

Set reformed again Sep-35 using TT 9017 (ex. 1064) and newly converted TT 9189.

1093

Set commenced service 22-Feb-26.

Set reformed Jan-38 and TT 9106 to new set 994, replaced by newly converted TT 10401.

1094

Set commenced service 9-Feb-26.

Set withdrawn 22-Sep-43 and TT 9088 grounded at Fratton for A.R.P. use, underframe cut‑up (at Fratton?) 24-Nov-43. TT 9105 scrapped at New Cross Gate 1-Dec-43. (body of 9105 also reported as grounded at Ashford for Home Guard).

1095

Set commenced service 8-Feb-26.

Set disbanded Sep-37 and TT 9098 to 1084, TT 9099 to 1081.

Set reformed again Sep-37 using TT 9094 (ex. 1081) and newly converted TT 9829.

1096

Set commenced service 15-Feb-26.

Set reformed Jul-35 and TT 9047 to new set 1042, replaced by newly converted TT 9196 Nov-35.

1097

Set commenced service 23-Feb-26.

Set disbanded Nov-34 and TT 9045 to new set 1043, TT 9028 to new set 1044.

Set reformed again Aug-35 using TT 9122 (ex. 1113) and newly converted TT 9187.

1098

Set commenced service 19-Feb-26.

Set disbanded Feb-37 and TT 9107 to new set 1118, TT 9046 to 1103 Apr-37.

Set reformed again Aug-37 using TT 9022 (ex. 1068) and newly converted TT 9298.

1099

Set commenced service 1-Mar-26.

Set reformed Feb-38 and TT 9101 to new set 995, replaced by newly converted TT 10407.

1100

Set commenced service 28-Feb-26.

Set withdrawn 10-Mar-43 and both bodies grounded, TT 9029 at Gravesend West for staff accommodation, TT 9057 at Micheldever for social club 19-May-43.

Both underframes cut‑up at New Cross Gate, 9029 1-Sep-43 & 9057 30-Jun-43.

1101

Set commenced service 18-Mar-26.

Set withdrawn 14-Jun-48, both bodies broken‑up at Lancing w/e 3-Jul-48 and underframes sent to Mitcham 1-Jul-48 and cut‑up there w/e 17-Jul-48.

1102

Set commenced service 1-Mar-26.

Set withdrawn 22-Mar-45, both bodies broken‑up at New Cross Gate 20-Oct-45, underframes cut‑up at Mitcham, that of 9031 10-Nov-45 and that of 9055 3-Nov-45.

1103

Set commenced service 28-Feb-26.

Set disbanded Mar-37 and TT 9030 to 1067 Apr-37, TT 9109 to 1068 Mar-37. Set reformed again Apr-37 using TT 9046 (ex. 1098) and newly converted TT 9208.

1104

Set commenced service 20-May-26.

Set reformed Apr-38 and TT 9058 to new set 996, replaced by newly converted TT 10416.

1105

Set commenced service 1-Jun-26.

Set withdrawn 2-Oct-48, both bodies broken‑up at Lancing w/e 4-Dec-48 and underframes sent to Hassocks 1-Dec-48 for store, later cut‑up at Angerstein Wharf w/e 26-Feb-49.

1106

Set commenced service 28-May-26.

Set withdrawn 14-Sep-48, both bodies broken‑up at Lancing w/e 25-Sep-48 and underframes sent to Angerstein Wharf 22-Sep-48 and cut‑up there w/e 9-Oct-48.

1107

Set commenced service 1-Jul-26.

Set withdrawn 17-Mar-42, both bodies grounded for wartime use, TT 9025 at Redhill Loco 15-Apr-42, TT 9026 at Southampton for Fire Watchers 20-May-42.

Both underframes cut‑up (at New Cross Gate?) Jun-42, that of 9025 3-Jun-42 and that of 9026 24-Jun-42.

1108

Set commenced service 1-Jul-26.

Set reformed Feb-38 and TT 9054 to new set 997, replaced by newly converted TT 10405.

1109

Set commenced service 19-Jul-26.

Set badly damaged by V2 explosion at Peckham Rye 6‑Jan-45 and TT 9032 destroyed, TT 9116 to 1065 by Dec-45 after repairs.

1110

Set commenced service 19-Jul-26.

Set withdrawn 9-Jul-47, both bodies broken‑up at Lancing w/e 20-Dec-47 and underframes cut‑up at Angerstein Wharf w/e 21-Feb-48.

1111

Set commenced service 12-Aug-26.

Set disbanded Jul-35 and TT 9121 to new set 1050, TT 9123 to new set 1049.

Set reformed again Jul-35 using TT 9126 (ex. 1112) and newly converted TT 9184.

1112

Set commenced service 18-Aug-26.

Set reformed Jul-35 and TT 9126 to set 1111, replaced by newly converted TT 9185.

1113

Set commenced service 31-Aug-26.

Set reformed Aug-35 and TT 9122 to 1097, replaced by newly converted TT 9186.

1114

Set commenced service 28-Sep-26.

Set withdrawn 31-Mar-43 and both TTs 9117 and 9118 grounded at Ashford Down Yard 16-Jun-43, 9117 for military use, 9118 for staff accommodation.

Underframe of 9117 cut‑up at New Cross Gate 16-Jun-43, that of 9118 also cut‑up there w/e 21-Sep-46.

1115

Set commenced service 28-Dec-26.

Set reformed Oct-34 and TT 9132 ex. changed with TT 9170 (ex. 1196).

1116

Set commenced service 5-Oct-26.

Set reformed Oct-34 and TT 9131 ex. changed with TT 9173 (ex. 1197).

1117

Set commenced service 2-Oct-26.

Set reformed Sep-34 and TT 9130 ex. changed with TT 9168 (ex. 1195).

               

               


Reformed Sets 1051-1117

Between October 1934 and May 1938, thirty‑four of the sixty‑seven Trailer Sets converted for the Eastern Section electrification were reformed. These sets originally consisted of two ex. LBSCR 9‑compartment coaches, loose coupled and seated one-hundred & eighty third-class. Most were 115' 2" long and weighed 46 tons 16cwt, but a few (1111-1113 and 1115-1117) had slightly shorter bodies and were 107' 2" long and weighed 44 tons 14cwt.

The ‘new’ coaches converted for these sets were former LSWR 8‑compartment bogie Thirds built between 1894 and 1902 converted at Eastleigh and mounted onto new SR 62' 0" underframes. The bodies were lengthened with two matching additional compartments, the 10‑compartment coaches now seating one-hundred third class. The original compartments were 5' 10.3/8" in width, the new ones were 6' 10.7/8" wide and were located at the end of the coach at the centre of the Trailer Set. These two new compartments only had a half-partition, i.e., to top of seat backs.

These coaches weighed 27 tons and were 64' 8" long (62' 0" over bodies) and were to diagram numbers 731 and 732. Westinghouse air brakes were fitted and electric lighting and heating installed, operated from the adjacent 3 Car Motor Units. These coaches were then close‑coupled to an ex. LBSCR vehicle giving a revised overall length of 121' 5" for most sets, though those coupled to one of the shorter vehicles were only 117' 5" long. Overall set weight was now 50 tons 8cwt (48 tons 17cwt for the shorter LBSCR vehicle sets), and they now seated one-hundred & ninety third-class.

The newly converted coaches were allocated to the next set due in for overhaul as they were outshopped, and not in any particular number order.

The date of the reformation shewn is the date that the ex. LSWR coach was withdrawn for conversion, the actual date to traffic of the reformed Trailer Set being a short while later. The diagram numbers of the ex. LBSCR vehicles, previously 723 /724 /726 variously, were then amended to 736 /737 /734 respectively when modified with a centre buffer at one end or to 735 /738 /733 respectively when modified with a rubbing plate at one end.

The three compartments at the outer end of each 10‑compartment coach were smoking, the four centremost ones being three non-smoking with a further smoking one splitting them two & one.

It is possible that the reason for these reformations was due to the requirement to introduce more vehicles to traffic as Trailer Sets, but as all these later conversions were now mounted on 62' 0" underframes, the overall length of sets formed of two such vehicles at 129' 4" (see sets 1195-1198) meant that an 8-car train was now 516' 8" long and exceeded the platform length or clearance of track circuit block joints at certain ‘tight’ locations.

A similar problem arose again in later years when the first BR type 2 EPB units were introduced with buckeye couplers between vehicles and these had to be modified with the centre-buffer and three link chain arrangement to reduce their overall length.

It also had the effect of standardising the seating capacity of these sets with the 1928/1929 Trailer Sets and subsequent conversions.

Some of the later LSWR coaches converted during the final two phases of reforms were flush panelled in steel and looked much more modern than the LBSCR vehicle attached to it, these are marked with an ‘f’ after the vehicle number.

These reformations ran alongside the creation of ‘new’ Trailer Sets in the batch 1038-1050 from July 1935 to July 1936, these sets being similar to the reformed ones and created by using a further newly converted ex. LSWR coach coupled to a displaced ex. LBSCR vehicle from reformed sets in the 1051-1117 series, and were numbered downwards from 1050 as they were introduced.

The newly converted ex. LSWR coaches were mixed between the two batches. Coaches for this batch of conversions were ordered in three sub-batches to H.O. 844 (those converted during the summer) and H.O. 853 (those converted towards the end of 1935) with a final pair to H.O. 901 in July 1936, this order also including further vehicles for the next batch. This process was repeated again in March /April 1937 with ‘new’ sets 1118-1120 & 1199 being formed (again with vehicles from order No. H.O. 901).

A further order to H.O. 929 followed in summer 1937 allowing the creation of sets 998-1000 & 1200, and the final phase of the conversions was completed using vehicles authorised to order No. H.O. 965 which saw the appearance of sets 989-997 between January and May 1938.

Wartime Damage & Reformations

These sets started to be withdrawn during the latter part of the war, the ex. LBSCR coaches being scrapped, (some had bodies grounded for wartime use) whilst the ex. LSWR coaches were used to augment 3 Car Motor Units of the original 1915 LSWR batch to form 4 SUB units in the 41xx series. Their diagram numbers were then altered from 731 or 732 to 741 or 740 respectively. Two with non-standard underframes (9078 and 9298) became diagram 739, these being altered to 743 when formed into 4 SUB units.

Coaches with the shorter underframes are marked with ‘*’ after the vehicle number. Scrapping details of the LBSCR coaches are shewn in the Individual Set Notes, those bodies grounded elsewhere are also shewn.

 

Set no.

Date
reformed

9-compt.
TT

New Diag.
No. of 9C TT

Coupling
arrangement

10-compt.
TT

Date
withdrawn

10-compt. TT
to 4 SUB No.

Diag. No.

 

See note 31

 

 

See note 32

 

 

1051

Mar-38

8999

736

CB-RP

10408f

7-Jul-48

4192

1054

1941

9048

-

Loose

9291 33

29-Jun-46

-

1055

Nov-35

9115

735

RP-CB

9198#

11-Dec-40

See notes

1059

Nov-35

9012

738

RP-CB

9194#

16-Feb-44

4151

1061

May-38

9063

736

CB-RP

10418f

1-Apr-44

4154

1064

Aug-35

9071

735

RP-CB

9188#

26-Sep-47

4186

1067

Apr-37

9030

736

CB-RP

9207

Mar-46

4169

1068

Mar-37

9109

735

RP-CB

9206#

5-Jul-48

4193

1070

Sep-35

9021

737

CB-RP

9191

7-Dec-46

4173

1071

Sep-35

9066

735

RP-CB

9190#

12-Jan-46

4166

1072

Jul-36

9018

737

CB-RP

9201

25-Aug-45

4161

1073

Nov-35

9072

736

CB-RP

9199

15-Sep-43

4148

1078

Dec-35

9092

735

RP-CB

9078 34

29-Jul-48

4190

1081

Sep-37

9099

736

CB-RP

9827f

23-Sep-44

4153

1082

Mar-38

9074

735

RP-CB

10412f#

Dec-44

4158

1084

Sep-37

9098

735

RP-CB

9828f#

25-May-46

4170

1085

Sep-37

9037

737

CB-RP

9830f

11-Dec-40

See notes

1086

Apr-38

9038

737

CB-RP

10414f

18-Nov-42

4146

1087

Oct-34

9044

738

RP-CB

9175#

8-Feb-47

4177

1090

Feb-38

9075

735

RP-CB

10404f#

4-May-48

4188

1092

Aug-35

9017

737

CB-RP

9189

26-Jun-47

4180

1093

Jan-38

9102

736

CB-RP

10401f

22-Sep-43

4149

1095

Sep-37

9094

735

RP-CB

9829f#

21-Sep-46

4168

1096

Nov-35

9104

736

CB-RP

9196

Feb-47

4175

1097

Aug-35

9122*

734

CB-RP

9187

23-Sep-42

4140

1098

Aug-37

9022

735

RP-CB

9298 35

1-Mar-47

4176

1099

Feb-38

9049

737

CB-RP

10407f

21-Apr-43

4143

1103

Apr-37

9046

737

CB-RP

9208

7-Oct-44

4155

1104

Apr-38

9033

735

RP-CB

10416f#

7-Oct-44

4152

1108

Feb-38

9050

738

RP-CB

1045f#

3-Jun-42

4134

1111

Jul-35

9126*

733

RP-CB

9184#

4-May-48

4189

1112

Jul-35

9124*

734

CB-RP

9185

26-Aug-47

4184

1113

Aug-35

9125*

733

RP-CB

9186#

18-Nov-42

4142

1115

Oct-34

9129*

734

CB-RP

9170

28-Oct-42

4141

1116

Oct-34

9128*

733

RP-CB

9173#

14-Apr-42

4136

1117

Sep-34

9127*

734

CB-RP

9168

13-Jan-45

4157

 

Notes

f

Flush panelled coach.

*

Shorter 49' bodywork coach.

#

Diagram number 732 coaches.

 

 

Footnotes

31

Diagram numbers amended from 723/4/6 to 733/4/5/6/7/8 on reformation.

32

Diagram numbers 731 (unmarked) or 732 (denoted by #). These were altered to 741 & 740 respectively when coaches formed into 4 SUB units.

33

9-compt. ex. LBSCR ‘AC’ vehicle, diagram no. 728.

34

Diagram no. 739, altered to 743 when coach formed into 4 SUB unit.

35

Diagram no. 739, altered to 743 when coach formed into 4 SUB unit.

 


Individual Set Notes

Note

A number of coaches are shewn as disposed of by ‘London Bridge’, it is believed that the job of breaking these was allocated to London Bridge C&W and was carried out in the London area (possibly at Ewer Street or Rotherhithe Road?) though breaking-up is unlikely to have been carried out at London Bridge itself.

 

Set

 

1051

Set damaged by F/B (V1 flying bomb) blast at Clock House 21-Jun-44, repair details unknown.

Set damaged by F/B (V1 flying bomb) blast at Bickley Jct. 1-Jul-44, repair details unknown.

Set disbanded 7-Jul-48 and TT 8999 withdrawn, body broken-up at Lancing w/e 25-Sep-48 and underframe sent to Hassocks 28-Sep-48, later cut-up at Angerstein Wharf? w/e 4-Dec-48. TT 10408 formed into 4 SUB 4192 Jan-49.

1054

Set not one reformed with LSWR coach pre-war, but TT 9056 withdrawn 29-Oct-41 and body grounded at Fratton for Fire Watchers 5-Nov-41.

Replaced by TT 9291 (ex. 1185), a 9‑compartment ex. LBSCR AC coach conversion. This coach was a former ‘CP’ MBT converted to DC operation at Lancing Mar-30. Then seating ninety, it now weighed 24 tons and was 57' 7" long, the overall length of this set remaining unchanged at 115' 2" as it remained loose‑coupled. Set was non-standard in weight at 49 tons 17cwt and now seated one-hundred & eighty third-class.

Set damaged by F/B (V1 flying bomb) blast at New Cross Gate 2-Jul-44, repaired at Selhurst. Set disbanded 29-Jun-46 and TT 9048 withdrawn, (body disposal unknown). Underframe cut-up at New Cross Gate w/e 19-Oct-46. TT 9291 scrapped at New Cross Gate w/e 21-Dec-46.

1055

Set withdrawn 11-Dec-40 after enemy action damage, (location unknown) by 20-Nov-40. Underframe of TT 9198 stored until cut‑up at Lancing w/e 3-Nov-51 and body also dealt-with there 4-Dec-40. Body of TT 9115 also broken‑up at Lancing 4-Dec-40 and the underframe cut‑up 9-Apr-41.

1059

Set withdrawn 16-Feb-44 and TT 9012 grounded at Southampton Old Docks for Admiralty use.

Underframe cut‑up 2-Dec-44. TT 9194 formed into 4 SUB 4151 Jul-44. Body of 9012 moved to Fullerton Sep-44.

1061

Set damaged by enemy action at Loco Jct. near Vauxhall 24-Feb-44 and TT 9063 body wrecked and broken‑up on site and coach withdrawn 1-Apr-44, underframe cut‑up 30-Sep-44 (location unknown). After repairs, TT 10418 formed into 4 SUB unit no.4154 from 1-Nov-44.

1064

Set disbanded 26-Sep-47 and TT 9071 withdrawn, body broken‑up at Lancing 15-Nov-47 and underframe sent to Selhurst 19-Nov-47, later cut‑up at Angerstein Wharf w/e 20-Mar-48. TT 9188 formed into 4 SUB unit no.4186 Jun-48.

1067

Set disbanded Mar-46 and TT 9030 withdrawn, body broken‑up at New Cross Gate w/e 30-Mar-46 and underframe also cut-up there w/e 12-Oct-46. TT 9207 formed into 4 SUB unit no.4169 from 30-Sep-46.

1068

Set disbanded 5-Jul-48 and TT 9109 withdrawn and body broken‑up at Lancing w/e 25-Sep-48. Underframe sent to Hassocks 28-Sep-48, later cut‑up at Angerstein Wharf? w/e 4-Dec-48. TT 9206 formed into 4 SUB unit no.4193 Jan-49.

1070

Set disbanded 7-Dec-46 and TT 9021 withdrawn, (body disposal unknown). Underframe cut‑up at Mitcham 29-Mar-47. TT 9191 formed into 4 SUB unit no.4173 from 29-Apr-47.

1071

Set slightly damaged by F/B (V1 flying bomb) blast at Cannon Street 23-Jul-44, repaired at Slades Green.

Set disbanded 12-Jan-46 and TT 9066 withdrawn, body broken‑up at Slades Green c.Apr‑46. Disposal of underframe unknown. TT 9190 formed into 4 SUB unit no.4166 from 21-May-46.

1072

Set disbanded 25-Aug-45 and TT 9018 withdrawn, body broken‑up at New Cross Gate w/e 27-Oct-45 and underframe cut-up at Mitcham w/e 3-Nov-45. TT 9201 formed into 4 SUB unit no.4161 Nov-45.

1073

Set withdrawn 15-Sep-43 and body of TT 9072 grounded at Sutton for Home Guard, underframe cut‑up 10-Nov-43 (location unknown). TT 9199 formed into 4 SUB unit no.4148 from 20-Aug-43.

1078

Set disbanded 29-Jul-48 and TT 9092 withdrawn, body broken‑up at Lancing w/e 28-Aug-48 and underframe sent to Angerstein Wharf 30-Aug-48 and cut-up there w/e 11-Sep-48. TT 9078 formed into 4 SUB unit no.4190 c.Nov‑48.

1081

Set damaged by enemy action at Victoria 9-Oct-40 but repaired.

Set disbanded 23-Sep-44 and TT 9099 withdrawn, body broken‑up at New Cross Gate 16-Dec-44 and underframe cut‑up at Mitcham 30-Dec-44. TT 9827 formed into 4 SUB unit no.4153 from 18-Oct-44.

1082

Set disbanded Dec‑44 and TT 9074 scrapped at New Cross Gate w/e 16-Dec-44. TT 10412 formed into 4 SUB unit no.4158 Jul-45.

1084

Set disbanded 25-May-46 and TT 9098 withdrawn and scrapped at New Cross Gate w/e 3-Aug-46. TT 9828 formed into 4 SUB unit no.4170 from Nov-46.

1085

Set damaged by enemy action (location unknown, possibly Chelsfield 4-Nov-40) and withdrawn 11-Dec-40. TT 9037 broken‑up (on site?) 4-Nov-40, Body of TT 9830 broken‑up at New Cross Gate 6-Nov-40, and underframe stored until cut‑up at Lancing w/e 3-Nov-51.

1086

Set damaged in collision at Waterloo 12-Nov-42 and withdrawn 18-Nov-42. TT 9038 grounded at Wimbledon for Home Guard, underframe cut‑up 29-Jul-44 (location unknown). TT 10414 formed into 4 SUB unit no.4146 from 17-Mar-43.

1087

Set disbanded 8-Feb-47 and TT 9044 withdrawn, body broken‑up at Lancing 14-Jun-47 and underframe sent to Mitcham 16-Jun-47 and cut‑up there w/e 21-Jun-47. TT 9175 formed into 4 SUB unit no.4177 from 25-Jul-47.

1090

TT 9075 damaged in collision at Selhurst depot 7-Feb-48 and set withdrawn 4-May-48. Body of TT 9075 broken‑up at Lancing w/e 12-Jun-48 and underframe sent to Mitcham 10-Jun-48 and cut‑up there w/e 19-Jun-48. TT 10404 formed into 4 SUB unit no.4188 Oct-48.

1092

Set disbanded 26-Jun-47 and TT 9017 withdrawn, body broken‑up at Lancing w/e 12-Jul-47 and underframe sent to Mitcham that day, cut‑up there w/e 19-Jul-47. TT 9189 formed into 4 SUB unit no.4180 from 31-Oct-47.

1093

Set withdrawn 22-Sep-43 and body of TT 9102 grounded at Eastleigh Works for C&W Dept. use, underframe cut‑up at New Cross Gate 4-Mar-44. TT 10401 formed into 4 SUB unit no.4149 from 1-Sep-43.

1095

Set disbanded 21-Sep-46 and TT 9094 withdrawn, body disposal unknown possibly New Cross Gate, underframe cut‑up at Mitcham w/e 9-Nov-46. TT 9829 formed into 4 SUB unit no.4168 Sep-46.

1096

Set disbanded Feb-47 and TT 9104 withdrawn, (disposal of body unknown), underframe cut-up at Hoo Jct. w/e 19-Jul-47. TT 9196 formed into 4 SUB unit no.4175 Jun-47.

1097

Set withdrawn 23-Sep-42 and body of TT 9122 grounded at Durnsford Road Depot as CM&EE timber store 9-Dec-42, underframe cut‑up at New Cross Gate 13-Jan-43. TT 9187 formed into 4 SUB unit no.4140 from 4-Jan-43.

1098

Set disbanded 1-Mar-47 and TT 9022 withdrawn, body broken‑up at Lancing w/e 29-Mar-47 and underframe sent to Eastleigh 1-Apr-47, later cut‑up at Mitcham w/e 21-Jun-47. TT 9298 formed into 4 SUB unit no.4176 from 25-Jul-47.

1099

Set withdrawn 21-Apr-43 and body of TT 9049 grounded at Wimbledon Park for Home Guard Aug-43, underframe cut‑up at New Cross Gate 29-Dec-43. TT 10407 formed into 4 SUB unit no.4143 from 2-Jul-43.

1103

Set disbanded 7-Oct-44 and TT 9046 withdrawn and scrapped at New Cross Gate 19-Dec-44. TT 9208 formed into 4 SUB unit no.4155 from 29-Dec-44.

1104

Set damaged by F/B (V1 flying bomb) blast at Charing Cross 18-Jun-44, repaired at Selhurst from 22-Jun-44. Set disbanded 7-Oct-44 and TT 9033 withdrawn and scrapped at New Cross Gate w/e 9-Dec-44. TT 10416 already formed into 4 SUB unit no.4152 from Aug-44.

1108

Set withdrawn 3-Jun-42 and body of TT 9050 broken‑up at Hampton Court, underframe cut‑up at New Cross Gate 7-Jul-43. TT 10405 formed into 4 SUB unit no.4134 from 19-Sep-42.

1111

Set disbanded 4-May-48 and TT 9126 withdrawn, body broken‑up at Lancing 22-May-48 and underframe sent to Mitcham 26-May-48 and cut‑up there w/e 29-May-48. TT 9184 formed into 4 SUB unit no.4189 Oct-48.

1112

TT 9124 damaged (probably by enemy action) and body repaired and mounted onto underframe of 9128 (ex. 1116) 9-Sep-42. Original underframe cut‑up 29-Jul-42 at Lancing.

Set disbanded 26-Aug-47 and TT 9124 withdrawn, body broken‑up at Lancing 1-Nov-47 and underframe sent to Mitcham 3-Nov-47 and cut‑up there w/e 15-Nov-47. TT 9185 formed into 4 SUB unit no.4184 Dec-47.

1113

Set withdrawn 18-Nov-42 and body of TT 9125 grounded at Tonbridge for Home Guard, underframe cut‑up at New Cross Gate 17-Mar-43. TT 9186 formed into 4 SUB unit no.4142 from 19-Feb-43.

1115

Set damaged by enemy bombing at Durnsford Road 8-Sep-40, repaired at the depot.

Set withdrawn 28-Oct-42 and body of TT 9129 grounded at Ashford works for fire prevention 17-Feb-43, underframe cut‑up at New Cross Gate 24-Feb-43. TT 9170 formed into 4 SUB unit no.4141 Jan-43.

1116

Set withdrawn 14-Apr-42 and body of TT 9128 grounded at Lancing works for wartime use 20-May-42, underframe used in repair of 9124 (1112) from 9-Sep-42. TT 9173 formed into 4 SUB unit no.4136 from 14-Oct-42.

1117

Set disbanded 31-Jan-45 and TT 9127 withdrawn and scrapped at Slades Green. TT 9168 formed into 4 SUB unit no.4157 Mar-45.

 

 


Central Section Stock
Sets 1121-1167

The Central Section electrification scheme of 1928 /1929 required a large increase in the amount of DC electric stock to operate the new services covering the extension of electrification and the simultaneous conversion of the ex. LBSCR ‘AC’ system to DC operation.

3 Car Motor Units nos.1601-1701 were authorised comprising three batches of units converted from ex. SECR, LBSCR and LSWR steam hauled stock respectively and a similar conversion of ex. SECR and LSWR steam hauled suburban coaches displaced by the 1925 electrifications on both sections were used to form forty‑seven two-coach Trailer Sets numbered 1121-1167 ordered to H.O. 214.

These Trailer Sets consisted of one ex. SECR 8‑compartment 46' bogie coach close‑coupled to an 11‑compartment ex. LSWR coach, a former 51' 7” compartment Brake Third mounted onto a new SR 62' 0" underframe from Lancing with four additional compartments added, two replacing the former brakevan area.

Conversion work was carried out at Ashford works and electrical work at Brighton, the ex. SECR coaches being little altered and being similar internally to the ‘1401’ batch of 3 Car Motor Units. These vehicles had been constructed between 1900 and 1907, some at Ashford, some from MRC&W and others from ORC&W, and were 46' long over bodywork and seated eighty third-class with each compartment being 5' 7½" wide. Weighing 22 tons 9cwt all coaches were to diagram number 725. Bogie centres were at 31' 0" inset 7' 5½" from the coach end.

The ex. LSWR coaches were rebuilt from 7‑compartment Brake Thirds with two additional compartments added at one end and two replacing the brakevan area. Seven compartments were 5' 6" wide and the four new ones (at the outer end of the set) were 5' 6½" wide. These coaches had all been built at Eastleigh between 1902 and 1912 as the end vehicles of bogie-block suburban trains and already had a close-coupling arrangement at the non-brakevan end. These coaches seated one-hundred & ten third-class, weighed 26 tons 6cwt and were to diagram number 727. Overall set capacity was therefore one-hundred & ninety third-class; the sets were 113' 8" long and weighed 48¾ tons. The SECR coach in set 1127 had matchboarded sides on conversion, probably fitted during a repair in the early 1920's.

The usual other alterations involved modifying the coupling to the centre- buffer and three link chain at the middle of the set, conversion of braking to the Westinghouse air system, installation of electric heating, alteration of the lighting to work from the adjacent 3 Car Motor Unit and fitting of jumper cables & connections at set ends. Installation of through cabling and local control of heating and lighting was also carried out. The 8‑compartment coaches were those fitted with centre-buffers whilst the 11‑compartment coaches were fitted with rubbing plates.

Non-smoking compartments were located as the third from each end of the 8‑compartment coaches and the fourth/fifth from each end of the 11‑compartment coaches.

These sets began to be withdrawn during the war and the ex. SECR vehicles scrapped, their bodies mostly at Lancing and the underframes in the London area, though a number were grounded for wartime use as ARP and Home Guard hutments. The ex. LSWR coaches were mostly reformed into 3 Car Motor Units, the augmented 4 SUB then being renumbered into the 42xx series. Their tare weigh was amended to 28 tons when modified for use in 4 SUB units.

 

Set no.

To traffic
date

8-compt.
TT

11-compt.
TT

Date
withdrawn

11-compt. coach to 4 SUB

Diag. No.

 

725

727

 

 

1121

22-Mar-28

8975

9209

9-Jul-47

4240

1122

22-Mar-28

8976

9210

19-Mar-46

4228

1123

5-Apr-28

8977

9211

28-Apr-43

4217

1124

22-Mar-28

8978

9212

9-Jul-47

4236

1125

22-Mar-28

8979

9213

23-Sep-42

4199

1126

16-Apr-28

8980

9214

3-Apr-42

4198

1127

4-Apr-28

8981

9215

22-Sep-43

4202

1128

26-Apr-28

8982

9216

4-May-48

4245

1129

31-May-28

8983

9217

25-Sep-40

4197

1130

13-May-28

8984

9218

8-Feb-47

4235

1131

5-Jun-28

8985

9219

22-Sep-43

4223

1132

7-Jun-28

8986

9220

22-Sep-43

4222

1133

12-Jun-28

8987

9221

9-Dec-47

4233

1134

5-Jun-28

8988

9222

22-Sep-43

4221

1135

31-May-28

8989

9223

26-Sep-47

4238

1136

21-May-28

8990

9224

9-Dec-47

4234

1137

3-May-28

8991

9225

26-Sep-47

4231

1138

18-Apr-28

8992

9226

2-Dec-44

4227

1139

30-Apr-28

8993

9227
9247

16-Feb-44

4204

1140

24-May-28

8994

9228

9-Mar-46

4209

1141

21-May-28

8995

9229

16-Feb-44

4226

1142

25-May-28

8996

9230

9-Jul-47

4241

1143

25-May-28

8997

9231

22-Sep-43

4218

1144

16-Apr-28

8998

9232

31-Mar-43

4200

1145

10-May-28

9133

9233

1-Jul-47

4212

1146

15-Nov-28

9134

9234

9-Jul-47

4237

1147

26-Nov-28

9135

9235

18-Nov-42

4216

1148

22-Jan-29

9136

9236

Jan-46

4207

1149

1-Nov-28

9137

9237

19-Jul-47

4213

1150

22-Jan-29

9138

9238

1-Apr-44

4205

1151

18-Jan-29

9139

9239

21-Sep-46

4210

1152

19-Jan-29

9140
9140 36

9240

29-Jul-48

4248

1153

21-Dec-28

9141

9241

23-Mar-46

4208

1154

2-Jan-29

9142

9242

15-Sep-43

4220

1155

14-Dec-28

9143

9243

30-Jun-48

4247

1156

19-Feb-29

9144

9244

4-May-48

4244

1157

21-Feb-29

9145

9245

22-Sep-43

4219

1158

12-Feb-29

9146

9246

26-Aug-47

4232

1159

14-Feb-29

9147

9247

20-Nov-40

-

1160

15-Feb-29

9148

9248

27-Apr-46

4229

1161

19-Jan-29

9149

9249

22-Dec-43

4224

1162

15-Feb-29

9150

9250

4-May-48

4246

1163

18-Feb-29

9151

9251

22-Sep-43

4203

1164

13-Feb-29

9152

9252

9-Jul-47

4214

1165

21-Feb-29

9153

9253

26-Aug-47

4239

1166

19-Feb-29

9154

9254

16-Jun-43

4201

1167

21-Feb-29

9155

9255

20-Aug-47

4216

 

Footnote

36

Replacement for original vehicle, ex. LBSCR 9-compartment conversion, diagram no.737.

 


Individual Set Notes

Note

A number of coaches are shewn as disposed of by ‘London Bridge’, it is believed that the job of breaking these was allocated to London Bridge C&W and was carried out in the London area (possibly at Ewer Street or Rotherhithe Road?) though breaking-up is unlikely to have been carried out at London Bridge itself.

 

Set

 

1121

Set commenced service 22-Mar-28.

Set disbanded 9-Jul-47 and TT 8975 withdrawn, body broken‑up at Lancing 22-Nov-47 and underframe sent to Mitcham 25-Nov-47 and cut-up there w/e 6-Dec-47. TT 9209 formed into 4 SUB unit no.4240 May-48.

1122

Set commenced service 22-Mar-28.

Set damaged when train it was formed in was in collision with ‘C’ class loco 1589 near Mottingham 19-Mar-46 and TT 8976 withdrawn and broken-up on site. TT 9210 repaired and formed into 4 SUB unit no.4228 from 16-Oct-46.

1123

Set commenced service 5-Apr-28.

Set withdrawn 28-Apr-43, TT 8977 grounded at Yeovil Jct. for Home Guard and underframe cut‑up at New Cross Gate 9-Jun-43. TT 9211 formed in 4 SUB unit no.4217 from 18-May-43.

1124

Set commenced service 22-Mar-28.

Set disbanded 9-Jul-47 and TT 8978 withdrawn, body broken‑up at Lancing 22-Nov-47 and underframe sent to Mitcham 2-Dec-47 and cut-up there w/e 6-Dec-47. TT 9212 formed into 4 SUB unit no.4236 Mar-48.

1125

Set commenced service 22-Mar-28.

Set withdrawn 23-Sep-42, TT 8979 grounded at Staines for Home Guard, underframe cut‑up at New Cross Gate 21-Apr-43. TT 9213 formed in 4 SUB unit no.4199 from 21-Dec-42.

1126

Set commenced service 16-Apr-28.

Set withdrawn 3-Apr-42, TT 8980 grounded at Lancing Works for wartime purposes and underframe cut‑up there 27-May-42. TT 9214 formed into 4 SUB unit no.4198 from 26-Nov-42.

1127

Set commenced service 4-Apr-28.

Set withdrawn 22-Sep-43, TT 8981 grounded at Bevois Park for C&W Dept, underframe cut‑up at New Cross Gate 29-Dec-43. TT 9215 formed into 4 SUB unit no.4202 from 18-Nov-43.

1128

Set commenced service 26-Apr-28.

Set damaged by F/B (V1 flying bomb) blast at New Cross Gate 2-Jul-44, repaired at the depot. Set disbanded 4-May-48 and TT 8982 withdrawn, body broken‑up at Lancing 22-May-48 and underframe sent to Mitcham 26-May-48 and cut‑up there w/e 5-Jun-48. TT 9216 formed into 4 SUB unit no.4245 Sep-48.

1129

Set commenced service 31-May-28.

TT 8983 damaged by enemy incendiaries at Victoria 8-Sep-40 and set withdrawn 25-Sep-40. Body of 8983 broken‑up at Brighton 23-Oct-40 and underframe cut‑up 5-Mar-41 at Lancing. TT 9217 formed into 4 SUB unit no.4197 from 23-Nov-42 after repairs at Eastleigh.

1130

Set commenced service 13-May-28.

Set disbanded 8-Feb-47 and TT 8984 withdrawn, body broken‑up at Lancing 31-May-47 and underframe cut‑up at Mitcham 14-Jun-47. TT 9218 formed into 4 SUB unit no.4235 from 26-Aug-47.

1131

Set commenced service 5-Jun-28.

TT 9219 blast damaged near Hampton Wick 16-Aug-40, repaired at Durnsford Road.

Set withdrawn 22-Sep-43, TT 8985 grounded at Redhill for L.A.A. (light anti-aircraft) and underframe cut‑up at Mitcham 9-Sep-44. TT 9219 formed into 4 SUB unit no.4223 from 17-Dec-43.

1132

Set commenced service 7-Jun-28.

Set withdrawn 22-Sep-43, TT 8986 grounded at Basingstoke for Home Guard and underframe cut‑up at New Cross Gate 4-Mar-44. TT 9220 formed into 4 SUB unit no.4222 from 25-Nov-43.

1133

Set commenced service 12-Jun-28.

Set damaged by F/B (V1 flying bomb) blast at Cannon Street 23-Jul-44, repair details unknown.

Set disbanded 9-Dec-47 and TT 8987 withdrawn, body broken‑up at Lancing 29-Nov-47 and underframe sent to Mitcham 5-Dec-47 and cut‑up there w/e 3-Jan-48. TT 9221 formed into 4 SUB unit no.4233 Mar-48.

1134

Set commenced service 5-Jun-28.

Set slightly damaged by enemy bombing at Gillingham depot 6-Nov-40, repair details unknown.

Set withdrawn 22-Sep-43, TT 8988 grounded at Eastleigh as Stores staff accommodation and underframe cut‑up at Mitcham 26-May-45. TT 9222 formed into 4 SUB unit no.4221 Oct-43.

1135

Set commenced service 31-May-28.

Set disbanded 26-Sep-47 and TT 8989 withdrawn, body broken‑up at Lancing 15-Nov-47 and underframe sent to Mitcham 25-Nov-47 and cut‑up there w/e 6-Dec-47. TT 9223 formed into 4 SUB unit no.4238 from Mar-48.

1136

Set commenced service 21-May-28.

Set disbanded 9-Dec-47 and TT 8990 withdrawn, body broken‑up at Lancing 29-Nov-47 and underframe sent to Mitcham 5-Dec-47 and cut‑up there w/e 3-Jan-48. TT 9224 formed into 4 SUB unit no.4234 May-48.

1137

Set commenced service 3-May-28.

Set disbanded 26-Sep-47 and TT 8991 withdrawn, body broken‑up at Lancing w/e 1-Nov-47 and underframe sent to Mitcham 3-Nov-47 and cut‑up there w/e 15-Nov-47. TT 9225 formed into 4 SUB unit no.4231 Dec-47.

1138

Set commenced service 18-Apr-28.

Set withdrawn 2-Dec-44 (possibly as result of V2 explosion at New Cross Gate 25-Nov-44) and TT 8992 scrapped at New Cross Gate w/e 30-Dec-44. TT 9226 formed into 4 SUB unit no.4227 from 1-Dec-44.

1139

Set commenced service 30-Apr-28.

TT 9227 destroyed by enemy action at Selhurst depot 14-Oct-40 and withdrawn 20-Nov-40. Replaced by TT 9247 (ex. 1159) c.Nov‑40.

Set damaged again by enemy action at Slades Green 4-Feb-44 and TT 8993 damaged and set withdrawn 16-Feb-44. Body of TT 8993 grounded at Southampton Old Docks for Admiralty, underframe cut‑up at New Cross Gate 19-Aug-44. TT 9247 formed into 4 SUB unit no.4204 1-May-44 after repairs.

1140

Set commenced service 24-May-28.

Set disbanded 9-Mar-46 and TT 8994 withdrawn, body broken‑up at Lancing 31-May-47 and underframe cut‑up at Mitcham 14-Jun-47. TT 9228 formed into 4 SUB unit no.4209 from 14-Nov-46.

1141

Set commenced service 21-May-28.

Set withdrawn 16-Feb-44, TT 8995 grounded at St Denys 6‑44 for Home Guard and broken-up Jul-46. Underframe cut‑up at Mitcham w/e 26-May-45. TT 9229 formed into 4 SUB unit no.4226 from 9-May-44.

1142

Set commenced service 25-May-28.

Set disbanded 9-Jul-47 and TT 8996 withdrawn, body broken‑up at Lancing 22-Nov-47 and underframe sent to Mitcham 25-Nov-47 and cut‑up there w/e 6-Dec-47. TT 9230 formed into 4 SUB unit no.4241 from Jun-48.

1143

Set commenced service 25-May-28.

Set withdrawn 22-Sep-43, TT 8997 grounded at Eastleigh Loco Works for Stores staff accommodation.

Underframe cut‑up at Mitcham w/e 26-May-45. TT 9231 formed into 4 SUB unit no.4218 from 24-Sep-43.

1144

Set commenced service 16-Apr-28.

Set withdrawn 31-Mar-43, TT 8998 grounded at Yeovil Jct. for Home Guard, underframe cut‑up at New Cross Gate 9-Jun-43. TT 9232 formed into 4 SUB unit no.4200 from 25-May-43.

1145

Set commenced service 10-May-28.

Both coaches machine-gunned near Hampton Wick 16-Aug-40, repaired at Durnsford Road.

Set disbanded 1-Jul-47 and TT 9133 withdrawn, body broken‑up at Lancing w/e 19-Jul-47 and underframe sent to Mitcham that day and cut‑up there w/e 2-Aug-47. TT 9233 formed into 4 SUB unit unit no.4212 from 31-Oct-47.

1146

Set commenced service 15-Nov-28.

Set disbanded 9-Jul-47 and TT 9134 withdrawn, body broken‑up at Lancing 22-Nov-47, underframe sent to Mitcham 2-Dec-47 and cut‑up there w/e 6-Dec-47. TT 9234 formed into 4 SUB unit no.4237 Mar-48

1147

Set commenced service 26-Nov-28.

Set damaged in collision at Waddon 4-Nov-42 between units nos.1633 and 1688 and withdrawn 18-Nov-42, TT 9135 grounded at Selhurst depot for Allotment Holders Association, disposal of underframe unknown. TT 9235 formed into 4 SUB unit no.4216 from 21-Jan-43 after repairs.

1148

Set commenced service 22-Jan-29.

Set disbanded Jan-46 (after damage?) and TT 9136 withdrawn, body broken‑up at New Cross Gate w/e 12-Oct-46 and underframe cut‑up at Mitcham w/e 9-Nov-46. TT 9236 formed into 4 SUB unit no.4207 from 23-Jul-46.

1149

Set commenced service 1-Nov-28.

Set damaged by F/B (V1 flying bomb) blast at Strawberry Hill 21-Aug-44, repair details unknown.

Set disbanded 19-Jul-47 and TT 9137 withdrawn, body broken‑up at Lancing w/e 16-Aug-47 and underframe sent to Mitcham 26-Aug-47 and cut‑up there w/e 30-Aug-47. TT 9237 formed into 4 SUB unit no.4213 at Eastleigh from Dec-47.

1150

Set commenced service 22-Jan-29.

Set withdrawn 1-Apr-44, TT 9138 taken to Southampton Old Docks for Admiralty 28-May-44. TT 9238 formed into 4 SUB unit no.4205 Jul-44. TT 9138 moved to Fullerton Sep-44 and later to New Cross Gate where body broken‑up w/e 2-Dec-44, the underframe later being also cut‑up there w/e 10-Feb-45.

1151

Set commenced service 18-Jan-29.

Set withdrawn 21-Sep-46 and TT 9139 withdrawn, (disposal of body unknown), underframe cut‑up by ‘London Bridge’ w/e 17-Dec-49. TT 9239 formed into 4 SUB unit no.4210 from 4-Feb-47.

1152

Set commenced service 19-Jan-29.

TT 9140 damaged in collision at Epsom Downs 13-Aug-37 and withdrawn, broken‑up on site 16-Aug-37. Replaced from May-38 by a new conversion with same number, an ex. LBSCR coach now rebuilt with nine compartments and seating ninety third-class, set now seated two-hundred third-class, was 121' 6" long and weighed 49 tons 14cwt.

Set disbanded 29-Jul-48 and TT 9140 withdrawn, body broken‑up at Lancing w/e 28-Aug-48 and underframe sent to Angerstein Wharf 30-Aug-48 and cut-up there w/e 11-Sep-48. TT 9240 formed into 4 SUB unit no.4248 Jan-49.

1153

Set commenced service 21-Dec-28.

Set disbanded 23-Mar-46 and TT 9141 withdrawn, body broken‑up at Mitcham Jct. (no date) and underframe cut‑up at New Cross Gate w/e 12-Oct-46. TT 9241 formed into 4 SUB unit no.4208 from 11-Sep-46.

1154

Set commenced service 2-Jan-29.

Set withdrawn 15-Sep-43, TT 9142 grounded at Brighton Top Yard for fire prevention, underframe cut‑up 10-Nov-43. TT 9242 formed into 4 SUB unit no.4220 Oct-43.

1155

Set commenced service 14-Dec-28.

Set disbanded 30-Jun-48 and TT 9143 withdrawn, body broken‑up at Lancing w/e 24-Jul-48 and underframe sent to Eastleigh 24-Jul-48, later cut‑up at Angerstein Wharf w/e 30-Oct-48. TT 9243 formed into 4 SUB unit no.4247 Dec-48.

1156

Set commenced service 19-Feb-29.

Set disbanded 4-May-48 and TT 9144 withdrawn, body broken‑up at Lancing w/e 29-May-48 and underframe sent to Eastleigh 24-Jun-48, later cut‑up at Angerstein Wharf w/e 30-Oct-48. TT 9244 formed into 4 SUB unit no.4244 Oct-48.

1157

Set commenced service 21-Feb-29.

Set withdrawn 22-Sep-43, TT 9145 grounded at Bevois Park for C&W Dept, underframe cut‑up at New Cross Gate 29-Dec-43. TT 9245 formed into 4 SUB unit no.4219 at Eastleigh Oct-43.

1158

Set commenced service 12-Feb-29.

Set disbanded 26-Aug-47 and TT 9146 withdrawn, body broken‑up at Lancing 6-Dec-47, underframe sent to Mitcham 5-Dec-47 and cut‑up there w/e 3-Jan-48. TT 9246 formed into 4 SUB unit no.4232 from Dec-47.

1159

Set commenced service 14-Feb-29.

TT 9147 damaged by enemy action (possibly at Selhurst depot 14-Oct-40) and withdrawn 20-Nov-40. TT 9247 to 1139. Body of TT 9147 broken-up in Selhurst area 4-Dec-40, underframe cut‑up at Lancing 11-Apr-41.

1160

Set commenced service 15-Feb-29.

Set disbanded 27-Apr-46 (possibly after damage?) and TT 9148 withdrawn, body broken‑up at Selhurst and underframe cut‑up at Mitcham (no dates). TT 9248 formed into 4 SUB unit no.4229 from 26-Sep-46.

1161

Set commenced service 19-Jan-29. Set withdrawn 22-Dec-43, TT 9149 grounded at Plymouth Friary Jan-44 and scrapped by 13-May-44, disposal of underframe unknown, possibly at New Cross Gate 13-May-44. TT 9249 formed into 4 SUB unit no.4224 Jan-44.

1162

Set commenced service 15-Feb-29.

Set disbanded 4-May-48 but probably out of use by February 1948 and TT 9150 withdrawn, body broken‑up at Lancing w/e 12-Jun-48 and underframe sent to Mitcham 10-Jun-48 and cut‑up there w/e 19-Jun-48. TT 9250 formed into 4 SUB unit no.4246 Nov-48.

1163

Set commenced service 18-Feb-29.

Set withdrawn 22-Sep-43, TT 9151 grounded at Three Bridges for L.A.A. underframe cut‑up at Mitcham 9-Sep-44. TT 9251 formed into 4‑SUB unit no.4203 from 10-Dec-43.

1164

Set commenced service 13-Feb-29.

Set disbanded 9-Jul-47 and TT 9152 withdrawn, body broken‑up at Lancing 29-Nov-47, underframe sent to Mitcham 5-Dec-47 and cut‑up there w/e 3-Jan-48. TT 9252 formed into 4 SUB unit no.4214 Dec-47.

1165

Set commenced service 21-Feb-29.

Set disbanded 26-Aug-47 and TT 9153 withdrawn, body broken‑up at Lancing 22-Nov-47 and underframe sent to Mitcham 25-Nov-47 and cut‑up there w/e 6-Dec-47. TT 9253 formed into 4 SUB unit no.4239 from Mar-48.

1166

Set commenced service 19-Feb-29.

Set withdrawn 16-Jun-43, TT 9154 grounded at Twickenham for Home Guard, underframe cut‑up at New Cross Gate 29-Dec-43. TT 9254 formed into 4 SUB unit no.4201 from 20-Jul-43.

1167

Set commenced service 21-Feb-29.

Set disbanded 20-Aug-47 and TT 9155 withdrawn, body broken‑up at Lancing w/e 25-Oct-47 and underframe sent to Mitcham 10-Oct-47 and cut‑up there w/e 25-Oct-47. TT 9255 formed into 4 SUB unit no.4215 Mar-48.

               

 

 


1929 /1930 Stock
Sets 1168-1187

The Central Section electrifications of 1928 and 1929 steadily displaced the ex. LBSCR ‘AC’ stock which then was stripped of its electrical equipment at Peckham Rye. Forty of these vehicles were then converted at Lancing works into Trailer Sets and altered to be able to work with 3 Car Motor Units in the usual manner for Trailer Sets. Thirty‑four of these vehicles were from ex. Crystal Palace ‘CP’ stock Motor Brake Thirds and two ex. ‘CP’ Driving Trailer Composites were also used along with four ex. Coulsdon /Wallington ‘CW’ Driving Trailer Composites.

Converted ‘CP’ Motorcoaches

The ex. ‘CP’ motorcoaches were mounted on the heavy girder-trussed underframes which were a distinctive feature of this stock, they originally had a cab and van area and seven third-class compartments. During conversion, the cab and van area were altered into two further third- class compartments giving a 9‑compartment coach seating ninety third-class.

The original seven compartments were 5' 11" wide whilst the two additions were 5' 9" wide and were located at the outer end of the set. Both the former motor bogies were ex. changed for LBSCR type trailer bogies surplus from earlier conversions of ex. LBSCR vehicles for 3 Car Motor Units.

Following conversion, these coaches weighed 26 tons 9cwt, were 54' 0" long over bodies and 57' 7" long over buffers. Bogie centres were at 35' 0" inset 9' 5½" from the coach ends. Retaining their side buffers at both ends, they were loose coupled within the set and allocated diagram number 728.

Converted ‘CP’ /’CW’ Driving Trailer Composites

Six vehicles were converted from former Driving Trailer Composites, two from the ‘CP’ fleet and the remaining four using vehicles intended for part of the ‘CW’ fleet, two being used instead in the ‘CP’ stock and the remaining two (after a period in store during the war) being temporarily used as steam hauled coaches prior to being altered back to AC operation as part of the ‘CW’ fleet; the intended cab having opaque windows installed whilst in use as steam stock.

As converted, the former driving cab became a 4' 0½" wide five-seat coupe compartment, followed by three 6' 6¾" wide compartments and five 5' 10¼" compartments, these 8½ compartment vehicles seated eighty-five third-class, their former first- class compartments being downgraded. Weighing 25 tons 11cwt each was also 57' 7" long; bodies were again 54' 0" long and bogie centres were at 37' 0" inset 8' 5½" from the coach end.

They were mounted on more conventional underframes, the two ‘CP’ vehicles being to diagram number 729, the remaining four ‘CW’ vehicles to diagram number 730. One of these vehicles were allocated to each of sets 1181-1186 which therefore seated five fewer than the remainder. The compartment dimensions differed slightly between the ex. ‘CP’ and ex. ‘CW’ conversions (exact details unknown). Overall, these sets seated one-hundred & eighty third-class, weighed 52 tons 18cwt and were 115' 2" long (with the exception of 1181-1186 which seated one-hundred & seventy-five and weighed 52 tons).

These sets were ordered in four separate sub-batches, H.O. 375 covering sets 1168-1178, H.O. 399 for sets 1179 & 1180, H.O. 455 for sets 1181-1186 and H.O. 516 for set 1187 (this order also covered set 1188 of the next batch of sets).

There were three non-smoking compartments in each coach, arranged as the second from each end of the coaches and also the centremost compartment.

One set was written off during the war and a further one by accident damage, the remainder stayed in traffic until withdrawn for scrapping between 1945 and 1948, two lasting until the end of Trailer Set workings on 26-Sep-48. Following withdrawal, some electrical stripping was carried out at Coulsdon North and most coaches had their bodies scrapped at Lancing and the underframes cut‑up in the London area.

Set formations were as follows, the 8½‑compartment coaches being marked with an ‘*’

New dates are the ‘paint dates’ of the coaches released from Lancing.

 


Set no.

Date into traffic

9-compt.
TT

9-compt.
TT

Date
withdrawn

Diag. No.

 

728

728

 

1168

17-Jul-29

9256

9257

26-Aug-47

1169

19-Jul-29

9258

9259

11-May-48

1170

25-Jul-29

9260

9261

Nov-40

1171

1-Aug-29

9262

9263

9-Jul-47

1172

13-Aug-29

9264

9265

1-Apr-47

1173

26-Aug-29

9266

9267

w/e 23-Mar-46

1174

27-Aug-29

9268

9269

4-Jan-47

1175

29-Aug-29

9270

9271

16-Jul-48

1176

16-Sep-29

9272

9273

9-Jul-47

1177

21-Sep-29

9274

9275

26-Aug-47

1178

21-Sep-29

9276

9277

Jul-48

1179

5-Dec-29

9278

9279

2-Oct-48

1180

6-Jan-30

9280

9281

9-Jul-47

Diag. No.

 

730

728

 

1181

2-Apr-30

9282*

9283

24-May-48

1182

31-Mar-30

9284*

9285

19-Apr-47

Diag. No.

 

729

728

 

1183

15-Apr-30

9286*

9287

2-Oct-45

1184

12-Apr-30

9288*

9289
9260

26-Aug-47

1185

7-Mar-30

9290*

9291

9-Oct-40

1186

26-Mar-30

9292*

9293

23-Jun-47

Diag. No.

 

728

728

 

1187

23-Jul-30

9294

9295

1-Apr-48

 

 


Individual Set Notes

Set

 

1168

Set commenced service 17-Jul-29.

Set damaged by enemy bombing at Slades Green 4-Feb-44, repaired at the depot by 8-Feb-44.

Set withdrawn 26-Aug-47 and both bodies broken‑up at Lancing w/e 8-Nov-47. Both underframes sent to Mitcham, 9257 on 7-Nov-47 and 9256 15-Nov-47 and cut‑up there, that of 9256 w/e 22-Nov-47 and that of 9257 w/e 15-Nov-47.

1169

Set commenced service 19-Jul-29.

Set damaged by F/B (V1 flying bomb) blast at Strawberry Hill 21-Aug-44, repair details unknown.

Set withdrawn 11-May-48 and both bodies broken‑up at Lancing w/e 29-May-48. Both underframes sent to Mitcham 29-May-48 and cut‑up there w/e 5-Jun-48.

1170

Set commenced service 25-Jul-29.

Set damaged by enemy bombing at Selhurst depot 14-Oct-40 and withdrawn 20-Nov-40 and TT 9261 broken‑up. TT 9260 to 1184.

1171

Set commenced service 1-Aug-29.

Set withdrawn 9-Jul-47 and stored at Tattenham Corner, both bodies broken‑up at Lancing 10-Jan-48. Both underframes sent to Mitcham 16-Jan-48 and cut‑up there w/e 6-Mar-48.

1172

Set commenced service 13-Aug-29.

Set withdrawn 1-Apr-47 and both bodies broken‑up at Lancing 19-Apr-47. Both underframes sent to Mitcham 23-Apr-47, cut‑up there 3-May-47.

1173

Set commenced service 26-Aug-29.

Set withdrawn w/e 23-Mar-46 and both bodies broken‑up at Mitcham (no date). Disposal details of both underframes also unknown.

1174

Set commenced service 27-Aug-29.

Set withdrawn 4-Jan-47 and both bodies broken‑up at Lancing 22-Mar-47. Both underframes cut‑up at Mitcham, that of 9268 29-Mar-47 and that of 9269 5-Apr-47.

1175

Set commenced service 29-Aug-29.

Set stored from 9‑48 having been withdrawn 16-Jul-48 and both bodies broken‑up at Lancing w/e 19-Mar-49. Underframe of 9271 sent to Angerstein Wharf 16-May-49 and cut‑up there w/e 28-May-49, that of 9270 sent to Farningham Road 1-Oct-49 and cut-up there w/e 8-Oct-49.

1176

Set commenced service 16-Sep-29.

Set withdrawn 9-Jul-47 and both bodies broken‑up at Lancing 6-Dec-47. Both underframes sent to Mitcham 11-Dec-47 and cut‑up there w/e 27-Dec-47.

1177

Set commenced service 21-Sep-29.

Set withdrawn 26-Aug-47 and both bodies broken‑up at Lancing w/e 24-Jan-48. Both underframes sent to Mitcham 28-Jan-48 and cut‑up there, that of 9274 w/e 7-Feb-48 and that of 9275 w/e 31-Jan-48.

1178

Set commenced service 21-Sep-29.

Set withdrawn Jul-48, body of TT 9276 grounded at Eastleigh Loco Works. (three compartments still extant in 1964). Disposal of body of 9277 unknown. Both underframes cut‑up at Angerstein Wharf? w/e 4-Dec-48.

1179

Set commenced service 5-Dec-29.

Set stored at Tattenham Corner by 13-Jul-47 and withdrawn 2-Oct-48 and both bodies broken‑up at Lancing w/e 16-Oct-48. Both underframes sent to Hassocks 19-Oct-48, later cut‑up at Angerstein Wharf? w/e 4-Dec-48.

1180

Set commenced service 6-Jan-30.

Set slightly damaged by F/B (V1 flying bomb) blast at West Croydon 23-Jun-44, repaired at Selhurst that day. Set withdrawn 9-Jul-47 and stored at Tattenham Corner, both bodies broken‑up at Lancing w/e 17-Jan-48. Both underframes sent to Mitcham 16-Jan-48 and cut‑up there w/e 24-Jan-48.

1181

Set commenced service 2-Apr-30.

Set damaged by H/E bomb blast near Petts Wood 26-Oct-40 but repaired. Set withdrawn 24-May-48 and both bodies broken‑up at Lancing w/e 19-Jun-48. Both underframes sent to Mitcham 17-Jun-48 and cut‑up there w/e 26-Jun-48.

1182

Set commenced service 31-Mar-30.

Set damaged by F/B (V1 flying bomb) blast at Bromley South 10-Jul-44, repair details unknown.

Set withdrawn 19-Apr-47. TT 9284 body broken‑up at Lancing w/e 17-May-47 and underframe sent to Mitcham 29-May-47 and cut-up there w/e 7-Jun-47. TT 9285 body broken‑up at Lancing w/e 25-Oct-47 and underframe sent to Mitcham 3-Nov-47 and cut‑up there w/e 8-Nov-47.

1183

Set commenced service 15-Apr-30.

Set withdrawn 2-Oct-45 and both bodies broken‑up at New Cross Gate w/e 22-Dec-45. Both underframes cut‑up at Mitcham, also w/e 22-Dec-45.

1184

Set commenced service 12-Apr-30.

Set damaged by enemy bombing at Selhurst depot 14-Oct-40 and TT 9289 withdrawn 20-Nov-40 and broken‑up, replaced by TT 9260 (ex. 1170).

Set withdrawn 26-Aug-47 and both bodies broken‑up at Lancing w/e 3-Jan-48. Both underframes sent to Mitcham 9-Jan-48 and cut‑up there w/e 17-Jan-48.

1185

Set commenced service 7-Apr-30.

Set damaged in collision at Effingham Jct. 9-Oct-40 and TT 9290 withdrawn and broken‑up on site and set disbanded. TT 9291 to 1054.

1186

Set commenced service 26-Mar-30.

Set badly damaged by F/B (V1 flying bomb) blast at Selhurst station 14-Jul-44, repair details unknown.

Set withdrawn 23-Jun-47 and both bodies broken‑up at Lancing w/e 5-Jul-47. Both underframes sent to Mitcham 7-Jul-47 and cut‑up there w/e 12-Jul-47.

1187

Set commenced service 23-Jul-30.

Set withdrawn 1-Apr-48 and both bodies broken‑up at Lancing w/e 5-Jun-48. Both underframes sent to Mitcham 5-Jun-48 and cut‑up there w/e 12-Jun-48.

 

               


1930/1931 Stock
Sets 1188-1194

The extension of electrification during 1930 led to the need for more Trailer Sets, one additional set (1188) being authorised nominally for the Central Section as part of H.O. 516 (this also included set 1187 of the previous batch), and a further six as additional stock (1189-1194) to order number H.O. 585.

These sets were resourced from the same vehicles used in the earlier conversions in 1929 for sets 1121-1167 and were delivered in July 1930 (1188) and early in 1931. They consisted of one ex. SECR 8‑compartment bogie coach close‑coupled to an 11‑compartment ex. LSWR coach, a former 7‑compartment 51' bogie Brake Third mounted onto a new SR 62' 0" underframe from Lancing with four additional compartments added, two replacing the former brakevan area.

Conversion work was again carried out at Ashford works with finishing off and repainting completed at Brighton, the ex. SECR coaches being little altered and being similar internally to the ‘1401’ batch of 3 Car Motor Units. These vehicles had been constructed between 1900 and 1906, mostly at Ashford though some were from outside contractors, and were 46' long over bodywork and seated 80 third and weighed 22 tons 9cwt and were to diagram number 725.

The ex. LSWR coaches were rebuilt from 7‑compartment 51' Brake Thirds with four additional compartments added at one end, two of which replaced the former brakevan area. These coaches seated one-hundred & ten third-class and weighed 26 tons 6cwt and were to diagram number 727. Overall set capacity was therefore one-hundred & ninety third-class. The sets were 113' 8" long and weighed 48¾ tons.

The usual other alterations involved modifying the coupling to the centre-buffer and three-link chain at the middle of the set, conversion of braking to the Westinghouse air system, installation of electric heating, alteration of the lighting to work for the adjacent 3 Car Motor Unit and fitting of jumper cables and connections at set ends. Installation of through cabling and local control of heating and lighting was also carried out. The 8‑compartment coaches were fitted with a centre buffer whilst the 11‑compartment coaches were fitted with rubbing plates.

The 8‑compartment coaches contained two non-smoking compartments located as the second from each end of the coach whilst the 11‑compartment coach contained four, located as the third/fourth from each end.

These sets began to be withdrawn during the war and the ex. SECR vehicles scrapped, their bodies at Lancing and underframes in the London area, and the ex. LSWR coaches were reformed into 3 Car Motor Units, the augmented 4 SUB then being renumbered into the 41xx and 42xx series.

 

Set no.

To traffic
date

8-compt.
TT

11-compt.
TT

Date
withdrawn

11-compt.
TT to 4 SUB

Diag. No.

 

725

727

 

 

1188

23-Jul-30

9296

9297

26-Jun-47

4211

1189

17-Feb-31

9156

9157

28-Jan-42

4195

1190

19-Feb-31

9158

9159

15-Feb-47

4230

1191

17-Feb-31

9160

9161

22-Dec-43

4225

1192

17-Feb-31

9162

9163

Apr-41

4196

1193

5-Mar-31

9164

9165

Nov-44

4206

1194

20-Mar-31

9166

9167

14-Jun-48

4243

 

 

Individual Set Notes

Set

 

1188

Set commenced service 23-Jul-30.

Set disbanded 26-Jun-47 and TT 9296 withdrawn. Body broken‑up at Lancing 12-Jul-47 and underframe sent to Mitcham that day and cut‑up there 19-Jul-47. TT 9297 formed into 4 SUB 4211 from 31-Oct-47.

1189

Set commenced service 17-Feb-31.

TT 9156 damaged in collision at Cannon Street 19-Jan-42 and withdrawn 28-Jan-42 when cut‑up. TT 9157 formed into 4 SUB 4195 from 3-Nov-42.

1190

Set commenced service 19-Feb-31.

Set disbanded 15-Feb-47 and TT 9158 withdrawn, body broken‑up at Lancing 14-Jun-47 and underframe sent to Mitcham 16-Jun-47 and cut‑up there w/e 21-Jun-47. TT 9159 formed into 4 SUB 4230 at Selhurst from Jul-47.

1191

Set commenced service 17-Feb-31.

Set withdrawn 22-Dec-43, TT 9160 grounded at Plymouth Friary Jan-44 and underframe cut‑up at New Cross Gate 13-May-44. TT 9161 formed into 4 SUB 4225 Feb-44.

1192

Set commenced service 17-Feb-31.

Set withdrawn Apr-41 (possible enemy action damage at New Cross Gate 19-Mar-41?) and TT 9162 withdrawn and used as internal user wagon 1631s at Lancing Works, and withdrawn Aug-45. TT 9163 formed into 4 SUB unit no.4196 from 16-Nov-42.

1193

Set commenced service 5-Mar-31.

Set damaged by V2 explosion near Brockley 1-Nov-44 and TT 9164 badly damaged and withdrawn, body broken‑up at New Cross Gate w/e 5-May-45 and underframe cut‑up at Mitcham also w/e 5-May-45. TT 9165 formed into 4 SUB unit no.4206 from 16-May-45 after repairs.

1194

Set commenced service 20-Mar-31.

Set disbanded 14-Jun-48 and TT 9166 withdrawn, body broken‑up at Lancing w/e 3-Jul-48 and underframe sent to Eastleigh 30-Jun-48, later cut‑up at Angerstein Wharf w/e 30-Oct-48. TT 9167 formed into 4 SUB unit no.4243 Oct-48.

 

 

1934 Stock
Sets 1195-1198

To run with the eleven 3 Car Motor Units ordered during November 1933 for the Sevenoaks electrification, a further four Trailer Sets were authorised to order number H.O. 791, these appearing in late 1934 as sets 1195-1198.

These sets were formed of two LSWR 8‑compartment bogie Thirds built between 1894 and 1902, made up to ten compartments by a further two added during conversion at Eastleigh where they were mounted onto new 62' 0" underframes from Lancing. The original compartments were 5' 10.3/8" wide whilst the two new ones were wider at 6' 10.7/8", these being located at the end of the coach coupled to the outer vehicle of the set.

Each coach weighed 27 tons after conversion and seated 100 third. These sets were close‑coupled giving an overall length of 129' 3" and they had full back seating with loose cushions and seated 200 third overall, with a weight of 54 tons. They were to diagram number numbers 731 (those fitted with rubbing plates) and 732 (those fitted with centre-buffers). Finishing off work and repainting and renumbering was carried out at Lancing works. Both coaches had three non-smoking compartments, these being the three of the centremost four compartments, split two & one by a smoking compartment.

The use of two vehicles on 62' 0" underframes made these sets longer than the earlier Trailer Sets and when coupled to two 193' 8" 3 Car Motor Units gave an 8-coach train a length of 516' 8" which possibly caused problems at certain locations where platform length clearances were tight, such as the bay platforms at St Pauls. A general review of the Trailer Sets was made and a re-arrangement of thirty-four of the earlier sets of the 1051-1117 batch converted in the 1925 Eastern Section electrification and formed of two ex. LBSCR coaches loose coupled was decided upon.

It was then decided to reform most of these sets with one ex. LBSCR conversion close coupled to a newly converted ex. LSWR 10‑compartment conversion identical to the vehicles converted for this batch of sets. After a very short period in their new formations, these four sets were reformed and exchanged one of the vehicles with one from an earlier set. The replacement vehicles for three of them were 9130 /9131 /9132 converted in 1925 for sets 1115-1117, these having been built in 1900/1901, one at Brighton, the other two by the Birmingham Railway Carriage & Wagon company as bogie 2nd /3rd composites.

All had been downgraded to third-class in 1911 with each of the compartments then seating ten. These coaches were 50' over body, 8' in width and had bogie centres at 33' and weighed 21 tons 17cwt. The former second class compartments were 5' 8½" wide whilst the original thirds were 5' 2½" wide.

The fourth vehicle involved in the exchange was 9027, a similar 9‑compartment LBSCR conversion though with a slightly longer body at 54', with bogie centres at 37' and compartments 5' 10½" wide. This coach weighed 23 tons 8cwt and was included in set 1198 making it both longer and heavier than the first three.

All were modified to be close-coupled to the ex. LSWR coach altering their diagram number numbers from 726 to 733 (coaches 9130 and 9132 fitted with rubbing plates), 726 to 734 (coach 9131 fitted with centre-buffer) and 723 to 736 (coach 9027 fitted with centre buffer).

In their new form, these sets now seated one-hundred & ninety, were 117' 6" long and weighed 48 tons 17cwt (except for 1198 which was 121' 6" long and weighed 50 tons 8cwt). When these sets were withdrawn the ex. LBSCR coach was scrapped, possibly at Lancing, the ex. LSWR coach was used to augment 3 Car Motor Units to 4‑SUB in the 41xx series; their diagram number numbers being amended to 740 (when fitted with centre buffer) or 741 (when fitted with rubbing plate). Coaches with the shorter underframes are marked with ‘*’ after the vehicle number.

 

Set no.

Date into Traffic

9-compt.
TT

10-compt.
TT

Veh. exchange
with Set

Date
withdrawn

10-compt.
TT to 4 SUB

Diag. No.

 

731

732

 

 

 

1195
Diag. No.

10-Oct-34

9168
733
9130*

9169

1117

3-Mar-45

4159

Diag. No.

 

731

732

 

 

 

1196
Diag. No.

10-Oct-34

9170
733
9132*

9171

1115

30-Nov-46

4174

Diag. No.

 

732

731

 

 

 

1197
Diag. No.

30-Oct-34

9173
734
9131*

9172

1116

27-Dec-39

4132

Diag. No.

 

732

731

 

 

 

1198
Diag. No.

23-Nov-34

9175
736
9027

9174

1087

18-Feb-42

4133

 

 


Individual Set Notes

Set

 

1195

Set commenced service 10-Oct-34.

Set disbanded w/e 3-Mar-45 and TT 9130 broken‑up at Mitcham by that date. TT 9169 formed into 4 SUB unit no.4159 Aug-45.

1196

Set commenced service 10-Oct-34.

Set disbanded w/e 30-Nov-46 and TT 9132 withdrawn, (disposal of body unknown). Underframe cut‑up at Mitcham w/e 29-Mar-47. TT 9171 formed into 4 SUB unit no.4174 from 16-May-47.

1197

Set commenced service 30-Oct-34.

TT 9131 damaged in collision at Shepperton 11-Sep-39 and withdrawn 1-Nov-39 when body broken‑up Brighton. Underframe cut‑up 27-Dec-39, also at Brighton. Set disbanded and TT 9172 formed into 4 SUB unit no.4132 from 23-Apr-42.

1198

Set commenced service 23-Nov-34.

Set withdrawn 18-Feb-42 and body of TT 9027 split in half, part grounded at Tunbridge Wells Central Goods for fire watchers 27-May-42, the other half at Shalford May-42 for wartime purposes, underframe cut‑up 22-Jul-42. TT 9174 formed into 4 SUB unit no.4133 from 23-Oct-42.

 

               


Reformed Sets July 1935 – July 1936
Sets 1038-1050

This batch of Trailer Sets were formed between July 1935 and July 1936 using further newly converted ex. LSWR 8‑compartment bogie Thirds lengthened to ten compartments during conversion at Eastleigh and mounted on new SR underframes of 62' 0" length from Lancing. These vehicles were to diagram numbers 731 (when fitted with rubbing plate) and 732 (when fitted with centre-buffer). The other vehicle was an ex. LBSCR 9‑compartment vehicle removed from one of the earlier Trailer Sets in the 1051-1117 series, these vehicles being themselves replaced in these earlier sets by newer ex. LSWR 10‑compartment conversions.

The vehicles were close coupled, requiring modifications to the LBSCR vehicle which had been loose coupled in the earlier sets and a change in their diagram numbers from 723 /724 /726 to 736 /737 /734 respectively when fitted with centre buffers or to 735 /738 /733 respectively when fitted with rubbing plates. As converted these sets seated 190 and were 121' 6" long and weighed 50 tons 8cwt.

Each 9‑compartment coach retained three non-smoking compartments located as the second from each end of the coach and the centremost compartment, whilst the 10‑compartment coach also had three non‑smoking compartment, these being three of the four centremost compartments being split two & one by a smoking compartment.

Sets 1049 and 1050 both included one of the 49' body ex. LBSCR coaches, these two sets being 117' 6" long and weighing 48 tons 17cwt. The donor sets of the ex. LBSCR coaches are shewn below. The ‘formed date’ of these sets is the date when the ex. LSWR coach was withdrawn from traffic for conversion and the sets entered service shortly afterwards.

Planning was already underway to discontinue the use of Trailer Sets and the onset of war accelerated these plans, with the sets being withdrawn, the LBSCR coaches for scrapping, the bodies at Lancing and the underframes in the London area, though some had their bodies grounded for wartime purposes, usually ARP or Home Guard hutments. The recently converted ex. LSWR coaches were then used to begin the augmentation programme of the 3 Car Motor Units to 4 SUB units, their diagram numbers being amended at this time, those of 731 (rubbing plate fitted) becoming 741, those of 732 (centre buffer fitted) becoming 740.

 

Set no.

To tfc
date

10-compt. TT

Coupling
arrangement

9-compt.
TT

9-compt. TT New Diag. No.

9-compt. TT ex. set

Date
withdrawn

10-compt.
TT to 4 SUB

Diag. No.

 

731

 

See note 37

 

 

 

 

Diag. No.

 

732#

 

 

 

 

 

 

1038

15-Jul-36

9200#
9197

CB-RP

9020

735

1072

16-Jul-48

4249

1039

13-Nov-35

9197

RP-CB

9000

737

1059

11-Dec-40

-

1040

23-Nov-35

9195

RP-CB

9052

737

1055

25-Aug-45

4160

1041

20-Dec-35

9193#

CB-RP

9034

735

1073

22-Jul-47

4181

1042

23-Jan-36

9192#

CB-RP

9047

738

1096

12-Aug-48

4194

1043

27-Jul-35

9176#

CB-RP

9045

738

1097

4-Jan-47

4178

1044

22-Jul-35

9177

RP-CB

9028

736

1097

21-Jul-47

4183

1045

22-Jul-35

9178#

CB-RP

9097

735

1092

20-Aug-47

4182

1046

23-Jul-35

9179

RP-CB

9093

736

1092

23-Sep-42

4139

1047

31-Jul-35

9181

RP-CB

9067

736

1071

23-Sep-42

4138

1048

2-Aug-35

9180#

CB-RP

9036

738

1071

18-Nov-42

4147

1049

31-Jul-35

9182#

CB-RP

9123*

733

1111

26-Aug-47

4187

1050

30-Jul-35

9183

RP-CB

9121*

734

1111

29-Jun-42

4137

 

Footnote

37

Diagram numbers amended from 723/4/6 to 733/4/5/6/7/8 on reformation.

 


Individual Set Notes

Set

 

1038

Set commenced service 15-Jul-36.

TT 9200 destroyed by enemy action 18-Sep-40 (location unknown, possibly Slades Green Up Sidings) and replaced by TT 9197 (ex. 1039), modified from centre buffer to rubbing plate fitted.

Set disbanded 16-Jul-48 and TT 9020 withdrawn, body being broken‑up at Lancing w/e 25-Sep-48 and underframe sent to Eastleigh 24-Sep-48, later returned to Lancing and cut-up there w/e 5-Nov-49. TT 9197 formed into 4 SUB unit unit no.4249 May-49.

1039

Set commenced service 13-Nov-35.

TT 9000 badly damaged by enemy action 16-Oct-40 (location unknown, possibly Waterloo) and set withdrawn. Body broken-up 30-Oct-40 (probably nearby) and underframe cut‑up at Lancing 28-Jul-43. TT 9197 to 1038.

1040

Set commenced service 23-Nov-35.

Set disbanded 25-Aug-45 and TT 9052 withdrawn, body broken‑up at New Cross Gate w/e 27-Oct-45 and underframe cut‑up at Mitcham w/e 3-Nov-45. TT 9195 formed into 4 SUB unit no.4160 Nov-45.

1041

Set commenced service 20-Dec-35.

Set disbanded 22-Jul-47 and TT 9034 withdrawn, body broken‑up at Lancing w/e 16-Aug-47 and underframe sent to Mitcham 26-Aug-47 and cut‑up there w/e 30-Aug-47. TT 9193 formed into 4 SUB unit no.4181 Nov-47.

1042

Set commenced service 23-Jan-36.

Set disbanded 12-Aug-48 and TT 9047 withdrawn, body broken‑up at Lancing w/e 2-Oct-48 and underframe sent to Hassocks 28-Sep-48, later cut‑up at Angerstein Wharf? w/e 4-Dec-48. TT 9192 formed into 4 SUB unit no.4194 Jun-49.

1043

Set commenced service 26-Jul-35.

Set disbanded 4-Jan-47 and TT 9045 withdrawn, body broken‑up at Lancing 14-Jun-47 and underframe sent to Mitcham 16-Jun-47 and cut‑up there w/e 21-Jun-47. TT 9176 formed into 4 SUB unit no. 4178 from 25-Jul-47.

1044

Set commenced service 22-Jul-35.

Set damaged by enemy bombing at Selhurst depot 14-Oct-40 but repaired.

Set disbanded 21-Jul-47 and TT 9028 withdrawn, body broken‑up at Lancing w/e 23-Aug-47 and underframe cut‑up at Mitcham w/e 22-Nov-47. TT 9177 formed into 4 SUB unit no.4183 at Selhurst from Dec-47.

1045

Set commenced service 22-Jul-35.

Set disbanded 20-Aug-47 and TT 9097 withdrawn, body broken‑up at Lancing w/e 11-Oct-47 and underframe sent to Mitcham 10-Oct-47 and cut‑up there w/e 25-Oct-47. TT 9178 formed into 4 SUB unit no.4182 from c5-Dec-47.

1046

Set commenced service 23-Jul-35.

Set withdrawn 23-Sep-42 and body of TT 9093 grounded at Farnham for Home Guard 9-Dec-42, underframe cut‑up at New Cross Gate 13-Jan-43. TT 9179 formed into 4 SUB unit no.4139 from 2-Dec-42.

1047

Set commenced service 31-Jul-35. Set withdrawn 23-Sep-42 and body of TT 9067 grounded at Raynes Park for Home Guard 27-Jan-43, underframe cut‑up at New Cross Gate 21-Apr-43. TT 9181 formed into 4 SUB unit no.4138 from 5-Dec-42.

1048

Set commenced service 2-Aug-35.

TT 9036 damaged at Waterloo 12-Nov-42 and set withdrawn 18-Nov-42. Body of TT 9036 broken‑up at New Cross Gate 16-Dec-42 and underframe stored until cut‑up at Mitcham 1-Dec-45. TT 9180 formed into 4 SUB unit no.4147 Apr-43.

1049

Set commenced service 31-Jul-35.

Set disbanded 26-Aug-47 and TT 9123 withdrawn, body broken‑up at Lancing w/e 15-Nov-47 and underframe sent to Selhurst 19-Nov-47, later cut‑up at Angerstein Wharf w/e 20-Mar-48. TT 9182 formed into 4 SUB unit no.4187 Jun-48.

1050

Set commenced service 30-Jul-35.

Set withdrawn 29-Jun-42 and TT 9121 body broken up (at Eastleigh?), underframe cut‑up at New Cross Gate 19-Aug-44. TT 9183 formed into 4 SUB unit no.4137 from 21-Oct-42.

               

 


Reformed Sets March 1937 to May 1938
Sets 989-1000, 1118-1120 & 1199 /1200

The programme of alterations to the Trailer Sets begun in 1935 using newly converted ex. LSWR 8‑compartment Thirds rebuilt to ten compartments and mounted on a new SR 62' 0" underframe from Lancing was continued in 1937/8. A batch were converted in February /March 1937 to order number H.O. 901, sets 1118-1120 & 1199 appearing, followed by a further batch in July 1937 to order number H.O. 929. these being sets 1200 & 998-1000. The final batch from January to May 1938 were to order number H.O. 965 and appeared as sets 989-997. Some of these conversions in the last two batches again had flush steel panelling.

These sets seated one-hundred & ninety third-class, were 121' 6" long and weighed 50 tons 8cwt. The donor sets of the ex. LBSCR coaches are shewn below. The number range of the existing Trailer Sets from 1001-1200 was almost all used with existing sets, these reformed sets filling the odd gaps in the series and having to be projected back into the loco‑hauled coaching stock set number series from 1-1000.

Diagram number numbers were again complex. with the 10‑compartment coaches being variously to diagrams 731 (rubbing plate fitted) or 732 (centre-buffer fitted) and the 9‑compartment ones being altered on conversion from 723 & 724 to 735 & 738 respectively when rubbing plate fitted or 736 & 737 respectively when centre-buffer fitted.

The ‘formed date’ of these sets is the date the former LSWR coach was withdrawn from traffic for conversion, the Trailer Set then entering traffic shortly afterwards.

As with the previous batch of sets, these began to be withdrawn during the war and the LBSCR coaches scrapped and the LSWR coaches then being used to augment 3 Car Motor Units to 4 SUB with their diagram numbers altered from 731 to 741 and 732 to 740 respectively. Set 998 was the very last Trailer Set to be overhauled in May 1947.

 

Set no.

To tfc
date

10-compt.
TT

Coupling
arrangement

9-compt. TT

9-compt. TT New Diag. No.

9-compt. TT
ex. set

Date
withdrawn

10-compt. TT
to 4 SUB

Diag. No.

 

731

 

See note 38

 

 

 

 

Diag. No.

 

732#

 

 

 

 

 

 

989

15-Mar-38

10411f#

CB-RP

9100

735

1051

11-Oct-39

4131

990

20-May-38

10417f#

CB-RP

9065

735

1061

Nov-45

4162

991

29-Mar-38

10410f

RP-CB

9084

736

1082

7-Apr-43

4144

992

4-May-38

10413f#

CB-RP

9039

738

1086

17-Nov-43

4150

993

2-Feb-38

10403f

RP-CB

9086

736

1090

30-Jun-48

4191

994

14-Jan-38

10402f#

CB-RP

9106

735

1093

5-May-45

4156

995

23-Feb-38

10409f#

CB-RP

9101

735

1099

1-Jul-47

4179

996

5-May-38

10415f

RP-CB

9058

737

1104

12-Feb-46

4163

997

11-Feb-38

10406f

RP-CB

9054

737

1108

c.Jun-46

4171

998

8-Jul-37

9299#

CB-RP

9091

735

1085

16-Jul-48

4250

999

7-Jul-37

9300

RP-CB

9035

737

1085

c.Nov-45

4164

1000

14-Jul-37

9825f#

CB-RP

9024

738

1084

Dec-42

4145

1118

20-Feb-37

9202#

CB-RP

9107

735

1097

6-Mar-48

4185

1119

27-Feb-37

9203

RP-CB

9077

736

1068

21-Sep-46

4172

1120

12-Mar-37

9204#

CB-RP

9019

738

1067

18-Sep-40

4135

1199

22-Mar-37

9205

RP-CB

9070

736

1067

c.Jan-46

4167

1200

14-Jul-37

9826f

RP-CB

9095

736

1084

c.Jan-46

4165

 

Note

f

Flush panelled coach.

 

 

Footnote

38

Diagram numbers amended from 723/4 to 735/6/7/8 on reformation.

 

 

Individual Set Notes

Set

 

989

Set commenced service 15-Mar-38.

Set damaged in collision with 1794 at Horsham 4-Sep-39 and TT 9100 withdrawn 11-Oct-39 when body broken‑up at Brighton. Underframe cut‑up 1-Nov-39, also at Brighton. TT 10411 formed into 4 SUB unit no.4131 from 15-Apr-42.

990

Set commenced service 20-May-38.

Set disbanded Nov-45 and TT 9065 withdrawn, body broken‑up at New Cross Gate 24-Nov-45, (disposal of underframe unknown). TT 10417 formed into 4 SUB unit no.4162 at Selhurst from 20-Apr-46.

991

Set commenced service 29-Mar-38.

Set withdrawn 7-Apr-43 and body of TT 9084 grounded at Wimbledon Apr-43 for fire prevention being broken-up May-47, underframe cut‑up at New Cross Gate 5-May-43. TT 10410 formed into 4 SUB unit no.4144 from 5-Mar-43.

992

Set commenced service 4-May-38.

Set withdrawn 17-Nov-43 and TT 9039 scrapped, (body disposal unknown but noted off wheels at Wimbledon). Underframe cut‑up at New Cross Gate 17-Nov-43. TT 10413 formed into 4 SUB unit no.4150 c.May‑44.

993

Set commenced service 2-Feb-38.

Set damaged by enemy bombing at Herne Hill 24-Feb-44, repaired at Selhurst 28-Feb-44.

Set disbanded 30-Jun-48 and TT 9086 withdrawn, body broken‑up at Lancing w/e 17-Jul-48 and underframe sent to Eastleigh 22-Jul-48, later cut‑up at Angerstein Wharf w/e 30-Oct-48. TT 10403 formed into 4 SUB unit no.4191 Dec-48.

994

Set commenced service 14-Jan-38.

Set disbanded 5-May-45 though already split-up, and TT 9106 withdrawn, body broken‑up at New Cross Gate and underframe at Mitcham, both w/e 5-May-45. TT 10402 formed into 4 SUB unit no.4156 from 17-Feb-45.

995

Set commenced service 23-Feb-38.

Set damaged by V2 blast at Blackheath 8-Mar-45, repaired at Slades Green.

Set disbanded 1-Jul-47 and TT 9101 withdrawn, body broken‑up at Lancing w/e 19-Jul-47 and underframe sent to Mitcham that day and cut‑up there w/e 2-Aug-47. TT 10409 formed into 4 SUB unit no.4179 from 31-Oct-47.

996

Set commenced service 5-May-38.

Set disbanded c.Jan-46 and TT 9058 withdrawn, (disposal of body unknown) and underframe cut‑up at Mitcham w/e 2-Feb-46. TT 10415 formed into 4 SUB unit no.4163 from Jan-46.

997

Set commenced service 11-Feb-38.

Set disbanded c.Jun‑46 and TT 9054 withdrawn, being broken‑up at Slades Green (by NXG staff) w/e 29-Jun-46. TT 10406 formed into 4 SUB unit no.4171 at Eastleigh from 22-Nov-46.

998

Set commenced service 8-Jul-37.

Set disbanded 16-Jul-48 and TT 9091 withdrawn, body broken‑up at Lancing w/e 25-Sep-48 and underframe sent to Hassocks 28-Sep-48 for store, later cut‑up at Angerstein Wharf? w/e 4-Dec-48. TT 9299 formed into 4 SUB unit no.4250 Apr-49.

999

Set commenced service 7-Jul-37.

Set damaged by V2 blast at Eltham Well Hall 14-Nov-44, repair details unknown.

Set withdrawn c.Nov‑45 and part of body of TT 9035 grounded at Lancing works. Remainder of body broken‑up at New Cross Gate w/e 24-Nov-45 and underframe cut‑up at Mitcham w/e 1-Dec-45. TT 9300 formed into 4 SUB unit no.4164 from 31-Jan-46.

1000

Set commenced service 14-Jul-37.

Set withdrawn 16-Dec-42 and body of TT 9024 grounded at Effingham Jct. for Home Guard Apr-43, underframe cut‑up at New Cross Gate 5-May-43. TT 9825 formed into 4 SUB unit no.4145 Feb-43.

1118

Set commenced service 20-Feb-37.

Set withdrawn 23-Jun-47 and TT 9107, body broken‑up at Lancing w/e 3-Apr-48 and underframe cut‑up, also at Lancing w/e 1-May-48. TT 9202 formed into 4 SUB unit no.4185 from 12-Feb-48.

1119

Set commenced service 27-Feb-37.

Set disbanded 21-Sep-46 and TT 9077 withdrawn, (disposal of body unknown), underframe cut‑up by ‘London Bridge’ w/e 22-Nov-47. TT 9203 formed into 4 SUB unit no.4172 from 21-Jan-47.

1120

Set commenced service 12-Mar-37.

TT 9019 destroyed when hit by enemy delayed action bomb which later ex. ploded at Plumstead 7-Sep-40 and set withdrawn 18-Sep-40 when remains broken‑up on site. TT 9204 formed into 4 SUB unit no.4135 Oct-42 after repairs (at Eastleigh?).

1199

Set commenced service 6-Mar-37.

Set disbanded c.Jan-46 and TT 9070 withdrawn, body broken-up at Slades Green (by NXG staff) w/e 12-Jan-46, (underframe disposal unknown). TT 9205 formed into 4 SUB unit no.4167 from c.28-May-46.

1200

Set commenced service 14-Jul-37.

Set disbanded c.Jan-46 and TT 9095 withdrawn, (disposal of body unknown), underframe cut‑up at Mitcham 2-Feb-46. TT 9826 formed into 4 SUB unit no.4165 Feb-46

 

 

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