Southern Railway
3
Car Motor Units
(Augmented)
(Forming 4 SUB units)
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Former
3 Car Motor Unit now augmented to 4 SUB unit no.4424 enters Charing Cross 8-car
long platform one with a train from Orpington on 9th
May 1953. Accessible only from platform three, the siding on Charing Cross
Bridge can be seen. Entering
service on 9th September 1937, LSWR-bodywork unit no.1579 was
augmented 4th February 1947 and was withdrawn on 7th
April 1956 with the underframes and all-steel trailer being used in SR-type 4
EPB units nos.5232 (TS complete car), 5250 (TS underframe) and 5243 (both MBS
underframes). |
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Plans for
Augmentation of the
3 Car Motor Units
During 1937 a decision was taken by the SR operating management
to progressively abandon the operation of two-coach trailer sets in the
suburban area and augment the 3 car motor units to four coaches, using some of
the displaced coaches from the disbanded trailer units. At this time,
electrification of the suburban network was virtually completed, and the main
line schemes to Portsmouth were under conversion. With the deteriorating
international situation, tentative plans for further expansion of the third rail
into Kent & Sussex were not progressed. The suburban services were also
under some pressure with overcrowding due to success of the improved services
in attracting extra traffic.
Plans were drawn up to begin the replacement of the suburban
stock with ‘second generation’ vehicles; these would be to a new design using
curved welded‑steel bodysides 9’ 0” wide which would then allow
six-aside seating, increasing train capacities without having to increase train
lengths which would involve considerable expenditure altering platforms, track
layouts and signalling with some heavy engineering in certain locations to
create space.
Apart from fifty-five contractor built units new in 1925 /1926
with 8‘ 6“ wide bodies, the bulk of the suburban fleet was made up of
converted former steam hauled suburban coach bodies mounted onto SR standard
62' 0" underframes with 8‘ 0“ wide bodies, and these underframes
and the bogies and electrical equipment still had many years of life left in
them. However, some of the converted bodies dated back to before the turn of
the century (though most were built between about 1910 and 1925) and these were
beginning to show their age.
It was planned to introduce thirty new four coach motor units,
disband one hundred and twenty five trailer units, using
vehicles from these that were on standard underframes to make up a similar
number of 3 car units to four coaches, build fifty-five new all-steel trailers
to augment the fifty-five contractor built units new in 1925/6, build a further
twenty three new units and then one hundred & seventy nine
further all-steel trailers to augment the remaining 3 car motor units to four
coaches. Augmented units would then start to be withdrawn and their bodies
scrapped releasing standard underframes for later stages of construction of
further new units. The new units would then allow the scrapping of other older
vehicles mounted onto non-standard underframes which were not suitable for
further use.
Impact of Second World War
The outbreak of the Second World War in September 1939 somewhat
disrupted these plans, but the stages were followed roughly as planned and
wartime restrictions did allow some flexibility as train service curtailments
released some stock as surplus, though this was offset by the loss of some
vehicles due to enemy action damage.
During this period the abolition of the Trailer Sets also
simplified train running operations at many locations and avoided the need for
‘blind shunting’ where Trailer Sets had to be propelled onto standing stock to
make-up eight coach trains for the peak-periods.
Part of Eastleigh works had been put over to military production,
ranging from railway bogie well-wagons through components for landing craft (and
other motor boats) through to parts for aircraft. With the railway carrying
hugely increased volumes of freight and passenger traffic, stock damage from
enemy action and various mishaps (in part due to blackout conditions) the Eastleigh
workshop’s remaining capacity was stretched with essential maintenance amongst
a period of staff shortages.
When the end of the war was in sight, Governmental restrictions
on rolling stock constructions started to ease. However, labour shortages
persisted (particularly amongst specialist crafts) along with difficulties in
obtaining materials (including electrical equipment). Furthermore, considerable
arrears of rolling stock repairs and maintenance had accrued leading to
competing demands on the limited resources available.
New 4 SUB
units
(no.4101-on)
The first of the new four-coach units was delivered in September
1941 and was known as a 4 SUB and numbered 4101. However, the war
prevented delivery of any more until 4102 arrived late in 1944; all of the
first thirty planned had been delivered by the end of 1946.
Augmented Units
(1942)
The first augmented units began to appear in 1942, newly
overhauled in a brighter green livery. By this stage as first-class
accommodation had been withdrawn from the suburban area in October 1941 so the
new units were third class only. However, all contained some compartments to
former first-class dimensions; indeed, the newly built all‑steel units
also contained a ‘Pseudo‑Composite’ coach in case first class was
reintroduced after the war. Reinstatement never took place and no augmented
4 SUB ever ran as other than third class only.
2 NOL
Trailer Sets
To release Trailer Sets to enable them to donate vehicles to the
augmented motor units, with non-suitable coaches either being scrapped or used
for wartime purposes mostly as ARP and Home Guard hutments, a number of
2 NOL units in the 1847 ‑ 1890 number series had their
shoegear (and possibly motors) removed and were used temporarily as Trailer
Sets in replacement.
First Batch
of Augmented Units
The ex. LSWR 1915 units nos.1201-1284 (rebuilt between 1934
and 1940) were selected as the first batch to be augmented. Being of three
distinct sub-types these units were therefore sub-divided, one type becoming
units nos.4131 ‑ 4171 augmented with a 10-compartment ex. LSWR
conversion, the second type becoming units nos.4195 ‑ 4215
augmented with an 11-compartment ex. LSWR conversion, the third type
becoming units nos.4216 ‑ 4234 again with an 11-compartment ex. LSWR
conversion inserted. These arrangements ensured units had a similar seating
capacity, and the bodystyle of the additional coach
was similar to that of the other three vehicles, though some were flush
panelled.
The augmentation of all three sub-batches took place side by
side steadily from mid-1942 until early 1948. Coaches from Trailer Sets to be
used for augmentation were taken to Eastleigh for conversion where buffing gear
was altered and jumpers repositioned as necessary. Some were then worked back
to Selhurst alongside new all‑steel coaches and inserted into 3 Car Motor
Units there.
A small batch of units commenced being augmented in mid-1943
using vehicles taken from war damaged or accident damaged units, all vehicles
utilised coming from 3 Car Motor Units. Due to the origins of this batch,
vehicles converted from all three pre-grouping companies' coaches were used in
some mixed formations, most being on standard underframes, though a few were on
lengthened AC ones. Eight of these non-standard units were augmented by 1948
with the numbers 4250 ‑ 4257 allocated.
New-build
Augmentation Trailers
Following the construction of the first batch of ten new
4 SUB units nos.4101 ‑ 4110 at Eastleigh, a start was then
made on producing the first batch of augmentation trailers. This coincided with
the changeover at Eastleigh to construction of complete ‘all-steel’ coaches, as
units nos.4101 ‑ 4110 had canvas covered wooden roofs like all
the previous suburban stock. This alteration took place part way through the
building of the first lot of fifty-five augmentation trailers, the first forty-five
having wooden roofs, the last ten being all‑steel.
This batch of coaches was used to augment the 1925 contractor
built units nos.1285 ‑ 1310 and 1496 ‑ 1524,
augmentation of both batches running in parallel between June 1945 and
April 1946, and with the new coaches being allocated in numerical order to
the next unit due for revarnishing, this resulted in the new coaches not being
allocated in any sort of number order within the batches. As augmented, these
units were renumbered 4300 ‑ 4325 (1285 batch) and 4326 ‑ 4354
(1496 batch).
The next stage of the augmentation process involved the
construction of a further one hundred and sixteen augmentation trailers at
Eastleigh between October 1946 and June 1947; this batch following the
construction of all‑new units 4111 ‑ 4130. These were
again 10-compartment coaches of all‑steel construction, ordered to H.O.
3351 and to diagram number 2013, and they seated one-hundred & twenty third-class
and weighed 28 tons. They were numbered 10230 ‑ 10345. The
resulting 4 SUB units were numbered 4401 ‑ 4516, but due
to the varied origins of the 3 Car Motor Units used, there were seating
capacity and weight differences between groups of them.
Whilst the above batch of augmentation trailers were being
delivered, the process of augmenting units using coaches from disbanded Trailer
Sets was also continuing, the next batch of units to be commenced late in 1946
being ex. LSWR conversions from the units nos.1658 ‑ 1701
batch, these units taking the units nos.4172 - 4194 when augmented with
10-compartment cars and units nos.4235 - 4250 when augmented with
11-compartment coaches, as they were dealt with. Once again some of the
augmentation vehicles were flush panelled, but again the ex. LSWR bodystyle matched those of the rest of the unit fairly
closely.
The last two units of the second batch (units nos.4249 &
4250) reverted to 10-compartment augmentation trailers and the number 4250 was
used for the second time as the original unit (one of the hybrid wartime
augmentations) had been withdrawn by this stage. This completed the stage of
units being made up to 4-cars using pre‑war trailer coaches, the final
stage of the augmentation scheme then utilising a further sixty-three new all‑steel
10-compartment cars.
The final batch of sixty-three augmentation trailers were built
at Eastleigh on new Lancing underframes between January and July 1948 and were
numbered 10167 ‑ 10229. These had followed the construction of completely
new units nos.4355 ‑ 4377, but due to post war material
shortages, many of these units had their motor coaches stored at Micheldever
awaiting fitting of electrical equipment, and as a result some of the trailers
intended for this batch were used instead to augment pre‑war units.
‘Pseudo‑Composite’
Trailers
This batch of units had been constructed before a decision that
first-class would not be re-introduced on suburban trains and as a result, they
included a ‘Pseudo‑Composite’ trailer with nine compartments, seven of
which were to first class dimensions. Nine of these coaches and fourteen
standard 10-compartment trailers intended for units nos.4355 ‑ 4377
were eventually used for augmentation, their place in these units being taken
by twenty-three of the subsequent build of augmentation trailers.
The 9 ‘Pseudo‑Composite’ were allocated to new 4 SUB
units with the highest numbers of the augmented units between nos.4587 and
4614, though no more than nine existed at any one time. The number range of
this final batch of augmented 3 Car Motor Units ran from unit nos.4517 to 4614
though unit numbers 4595 ‑ 4600, 4609, 4611 and 4612 were not
used and there were never more than sixty-three units in existence at any one
time, this being accounted for as some of the earlier withdrawals for
underframe recovery donated their augmentation trailers to further 3 Car Motor Units.
This batch also included all the units which had their pre-war
coach bodies mounted on lengthened AC underframes, and many of these lasted
longer in traffic than those on standard underframes as the lengthened frames
were now considered unsuitable for further use, and on withdrawal the whole
vehicle was scrapped. Throughout the augmentation process, 3 Car Motor Units for
augmentation had their intermediate bar couplers (where still so fitted)
altered to the three-link chain and centre buffer type, though quite a number
of units had been fitted with these earlier.
The normal arrangement of couplings after treatment was that
both motorcoaches had rubbing plates, the pre-war trailer had a centre buffer
at both ends and the augmentation trailer had a rubbing plate at one end and a
centre buffer at the other. However, there were some exceptions to this, whilst
the buffing arrangements were often later amended as units were reformed.
Withdrawal
of LSWR Conversions
The above phases of the augmentation programme steadily
eliminated the former ‘standard’ 3 Car Motor Units from traffic, the last ex.
LSWR conversions running early in 1949 (unit no.1599 augmented January 1949 and
unit no.1783 augmented February 1949), the final ex. LBSCR conversions, units
nos.1727 /1747 & 1768 becoming 4 SUB units in September 1949 and an ex. SECR
conversion running as the final 3 Car Motor Unit in traffic, Unit no.1609
becoming 4 SUB no.4588 in October 1949. The last services requiring 3 Car Motor
Units, the Caterham /Tattenham Corner lines were altered to 4 SUB
operation from 1st March 1949, with 8-car trains replacing
9-car formations.
This huge fleet of 4 SUB units then dominated the suburban
system, with all the sub‑batches of units being seen anywhere on the
system as there was no formal depot allocation of individual units, units
receiving routine running maintenance at any of the three main depots,
Selhurst, Slades Green and Durnsford Road,
with lesser attention also at Strawberry Hill, Orpington and Gillingham.
Main works attention for heavy body repairs continued to take place at both
Eastleigh and Lancing and Selhurst Paint Shops dealt with intermediate
body overhauls (‘Varnishes’, though this often involved some repainting).
Running gear and bogie exchanges combined with overhauls of the electrical
equipment took place at both Slades Green and Durnsford Road, whilst Peckham Rye shops dealt
with some body defects not sufficient to require a visit to one of the main
works.
Units were also often to be seen further
afield, particularly during summer weekends and Bank Holidays, when 12-coach
trains formed of three units were frequently used as special and relief trains
from the London area to the Sussex Coast. Augmented units were mixed
indiscriminately with newer all‑steel 4 SUB units throughout the
suburban system, but as the 4 EPB units entered service (with the majority
on the Eastern Section) the older units were seen mostly on the Central
& Western Sections only in their later years. In 1950, before the
introduction of any of the 4 EPB type, a total of four-hundred &
ninety-six 4 SUB units were required to meet traffic and maintenance
requirements.
Slades Green
Slades
Green station opened in 1901 and followed the name given in the earliest
Ordnance Survey map of the area (1864). However, in 1953 the local Member of
Parliament deemed this spelling to be incorrect and took his case to Parliament
(a Deed of 1561 spelled ‘Slade Green’). The Southern Region capitulated and
both station and depot changed their
name to Slade Green on 21st September 1953.
Decline of
the
Augmented 3 Car Motor Units
As the building programme for the all‑steel 4 SUB
units continued, the numbers of augmented former 3 Car Motor Units began to
decline as vehicles were withdrawn and many then donated their underframes to
new all‑steel coaches under construction at Eastleigh. Withdrawn units
were worked to Strawberry Hill for electrical stripping by the English Electric
Co. then hauled away, sometimes via a period in store, prior to arrival at
Lancing for rebuilding. Mostly the original wooden bodies were demolished at
either Longhedge or Lancing up to about 1956,
thereafter at Newhaven, and the underframes then taken to Lancing Works
for reconditioning. This involved transposing the position of the inner and
outer solebars and provision of additional strengthening to increase collision
resistance.
As built, units nos.1401 ‑ 1495 & 1525 ‑ 1534
were mounted on 62’ 0” frames mostly built at Ashford (though 1525 ‑ 1534
had theirs from Lancing to the Ashford specification) and these underframes
were 7’ 3” between solebars, whereas the many hundreds of later ones
manufactured at Lancing were 6’ 11” between solebars. It is presumed that
these 315 ‘Ashford’ frames were altered to standard when they were
reconditioned at Lancing prior to the new all-steel bodies being mounted onto
them. The refurbished frames were then hauled to Eastleigh prior to re-use,
often after a period of storage.
Last 4 SUB
builds
(and
into the BR design 4 EPB units)
Construction of 4 SUB units ceased in November 1951 but the
rebuilding process continued at the same pace with the first of the 4 EPB
units also appearing that month. New units were outshopped at the rate of about
four or five per month from late in 1948 until the final ‘SR’ pattern
4 EPB was turned out in March 1957 by which time two hundred and twenty-one
4 SUB and two hundred & thirteen 4 EPB units had been
produced. This influx of new stock continued to displace the augmented units
(except the units nos.4301 ‑ 4354 batches) and virtually all
had been withdrawn by 1956, all the all‑steel augmentation trailers by
now having been incorporated into new all-steel units.
As rebuilding progressed, new all steel units were mostly fitted
with new EE507 ‘lightweight’ motors, displacing older EE 339 ones, these
then being used to replace the earlier Westinghouse 339 ones in ex LSWR
units in the 1201 ‑ 1284 number series. Then the DK 77
motors in ex SECR conversions were also replaced by the EE 339 types.
This was done as the use of EE 507 motors required alterations to
motorcoaches, principally fitting of air-ducting and altered motor junction
boxes along with underslung contactor gear and it was not felt economic to
alter the older motorcoaches, especially as the new all-steel ones were
designed to accept the EE 507 type.
Swapping motorbogies and thereby
changing units from the ‘Eastern’ to the ‘Central’ type also involved
structural alterations to the vehicles as centre castings, friction blocks and
brake pull rods needed modifications, so this was kept to a minimum, whilst the
motorbogies themselves required modifications where a
different motor type was to be installed. However, to speed-up replacement of
the last DK 77 motors still in use, the contractor-built batch of units nos.4326 ‑ 4354
had their ‘Eastern’ motorbogies removed and altered
for EE 507 motors, these being replaced by ‘Central’ ones fitted with
EE 339 motors. The EE 507 powered ‘Eastern’ motorbogies
were then used for 4 EPB units nos.5001 ‑ 5053.
BR-design 2
EPB units
The first of the ‘BR’ pattern 2 EPB units began to enter
traffic during September 1954 and seventy eight units were authorised,
most of these to enable the ‘ten car scheme’ to be implemented on the
Eastern Section, though a number displaced the 2 SL and 2 WIM
units for withdrawal, this being a priority owing to complaints by the motormen
regarding high cab temperatures in the motorcoaches of these sets.
Last
Augmented SUB units
By the start of 1957, with the end of 4 EPB production
approaching, attention then turned to the 2 NOL fleet, those working
suburban services on the Waterloo – Windsor /Weybridge lines then
being steadily withdrawn, again for underframe recovery to enable construction
of the ‘SR’ pattern 2 HAP units, this stock being intended as part of the
first phase of the Kent Coast electrification scheme. Later stages of this
programme saw those 2 NOL units working on the Sussex Coastal lines also
withdrawn and their underframes were used for the final batch of units built to
the ‘SR’ pattern, a batch of thirty four 2 EPB units intended to
replace the original 2 NOL units on the Windsor /Weybridge service, these
units being delivered between October and December 1959. This resulted in a
final phase of augmented units being formed as eighteen units were made up
during 1956 and early 1957 to cover this shortfall on the Windsor service pending
the arrival of the 2 EPB units.
This final batch of augmented units were numbered 4501 ‑ 4518,
re-using numbers vacated by already withdrawn stock, and all were formed of
four pre-war vehicles, virtually all of ex. LBSCR body origin and mounted
onto lengthened former ‘AC’ stock underframes which were not deemed suitable
for further use. As third class had been redesignated as second from 3rd June
1956, this batch had vehicles classified as MBS and TS from their formation. As
these units were only a stop-gap they had quite short lives, all being
withdrawn during 1959 for scrapping as the last 2 EPB units were
delivered. They did however work over most of the suburban network, though less
so on the Eastern Section which was by this time a virtual EPB monopoly.
Last Pre-War
SUB Units
Following the withdrawal of the units nos.4501 ‑ 4518
batch in 1959, the only surviving pre-war 4 SUB units in traffic were the
survivors of the units nos.4301 ‑ 4354 batches, these having
been formed of the contractor-built 1925 stock and therefore had the most
recent wooden framed bodies. These units also incorporated the non‑standard
augmentation trailers with the wooden roofs which were unsuitable for further
use in all-steel units.
A further batch of fifty-six BR type 4 EPB units were
therefore ordered to replace them, and units nos.5301 - 5356 were delivered
between January 1960 and January 1962, resulting in the last of the pre‑war
Southern Railway suburban stock being withdrawn from service in January
1962. They did however release their ‘Central’ motorbogies,
which were modified for EE 507 motors and used to replace the ‘Eastern’
type under 4 EPB units nos.5001 ‑ 5053, this being done as
the brake rigging was simpler on the ‘Central’ type of bogie, so easing
maintenance requirements.
Information on livery changes from SR to BR(S) is limited with
further details currently being sought. None of the augmented SUB units
survived long enough to receive yellow warning panels or air-horns (units nos.4342
& 4358 were fitted with experimental air horns early in 1952).
With the exception of unit no.4235, all the batch numbered 4235-4250
were augmented following Nationalisation and appeared in early British Railways
style livery; some with an ‘S’ prefix to the unit number.
The first augmented units were planned to be numbered from 4131
upwards leaving the first thirty numbers of this series vacant for the new
4 SUB units being built at Eastleigh, and the first batch of units chosen
for augmentation were the original ex LSWR units of the number 1201 ‑ 1284
batch dating from 1915, though extensively rebuilt between 1934 and 1940 on
standard 62' 0" underframes. The additional coaches used to make‑up
these units to four coaches were taken from various trailer set batches, but
all had similar LSWR style bodywork to the coaches of the motor units.
The 3 Car Motor Units selected for this batch were all from the
units formed with an all-compartment Trailer Composite (TC) and one Motor Brake
Third (MBT) and one Motor Brake Composite (MBC), those units which included one
of the small former first-class saloons in their trailers and having two MBT
cars being used for two further series of similar units numbered upwards from units
nos.4195 and 4216.
As units were now all third-class the coaches from the motor
units were by now designated as MBT and TT. The additional trailer car was an
ex. LSWR 10-compartment TT coach of quite recent conversion to electric
operation, all being converted for use in Trailer Sets between 1934 and 1937.
Some of these had flush panelled bodywork, contrasting with the panel beading
of some of the motor unit coaches.
Augmented units were delivered in numerical order, the seemingly
random order of selection from the original units was caused by units being
augmented once they were due for a body overhaul or revarnishing. Owing to
wartime constraints, there was a pause in augmentations after unit no.4149
completed in the autumn of 1943, conversions recommencing with unit nos.4150 in
May 1944. These units retained the distinctive ‘wedge end’ cab design of the
LSWR units, and Westinghouse 339 motors.
These units were formed as follows:
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MBT |
8-compartments |
Seated 80 |
Weight 41 tons 16cwt |
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TT |
10-compartments |
Seated 100 |
Weight 27 tons |
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TT |
10-compartments |
Seated 100 |
Weight 28 tons 12cwt. |
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MBT |
7-compartments |
Seated 70 |
Weight 41 tons |
Overall, these units were 257 5" long, weighed 138
tons 18cwt and seated three-hundred & fifty third-class. The weight of
the units varied slightly as the later ones rebuilt after 1937 in the
1934 ‑ 1940 programme had strengthened underframes which
weighed about 1 ton more, raising the overall weight by about 3 tons. Twelve of
these units were included in this batch.
The hundred-seat Trailer was modified prior to inclusion in the
units as the side buffers at the former outer end had to be replaced with a
central buffer to couple to the motorcoach with a three link chain, revising
the overall length to 64' 2¾". Their diagram numbers were altered to
reflect this, but they had varied between 731 and 732 before conversion and
continued to do so after, those of 731 becoming 741, those of 732 becoming 740.
When running as 3 Coach Motor Units, the first-class sections of
the trailer and former motor brake composite were marshalled together, this
(with one exception) remained the case with these units and the additional
coach was inserted between the trailer and the motor brake third.
The first of these units entered service on the Western Section
and they were used on the Windsor lines early on, displacing 2 NOL units
for use elsewhere (often as Trailer Sets). Conversions continued at a steady
rate until the last was done in late 1946, the units by then being used
anywhere in the suburban system.
All units survived to be taken into BR ownership in 1948, some
gaining a small ‘s’ prefix to their unit numbers for a while, and the
Westinghouse 339 motors, by now outdated, were steadily replaced by EE 339 ones
from early 1950, these recovered from other units being rebuilt, and the whole
batch were withdrawn for scrapping between 1953 and 1956, all being scrapped at
either Longhedge or Lancing shortly after their
withdrawal date. A large number of underframes were then used in the 4 EPB
construction programme.
Unit formations were as follows, with date of formation below
the unit number, and the number of the vehicles' previous unit being shown in
brackets below, flush panelled vehicles are marked with ‘*’ after the coach
number. Units with the three ex. motor unit coaches mounted onto the heavier
underframes are marked with a ‘+’ after the unit number.
|
Unit |
MBT (8-comp.) |
TT (10-comp.) |
TT (10-comp.) |
MBT (7-comp.) |
Withdrawn |
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Diag. No. |
685 |
740 |
769 |
698 |
|
|
4131+ |
8006* |
10411* |
9373* |
8752* |
10-Dec-55 |
|
Diag. No. |
685 |
741 |
769 |
698 |
|
|
4132 |
8059 |
9172 |
9390 |
8769 |
26-Feb-55 |
|
Diag. No. |
685 |
740 |
769 |
698 |
|
|
4133 |
8048 |
|
|
8766 |
26-May-56 |
|
4134+ |
8071* |
|
|
8773* |
2-Jun-56 |
|
4135 |
8060 |
9204 |
9391 |
8770 |
17-Dec-55 |
|
4136 |
8120 |
9173 |
9411 |
8790 |
15-May-54 |
|
Diag. No. |
685 |
741 |
769 |
698 |
|
|
4137 |
8090 |
9183 |
9401 |
8780 |
27-Nov-54 |
|
4138+ |
8053* |
9181 |
9388* |
8767* |
23-Apr-54 |
|
4139 |
8107 |
9179 |
9406 |
8785 |
13-Feb-54 |
|
4140 |
8047 |
9187 |
9386 |
8765 |
26-Jun-54 |
|
4141 |
8041 |
9170 |
9384 |
8763 |
19-Feb-55 |
|
Diag. No. |
685 |
740 |
769 |
698 |
|
|
4142+ |
8108* |
9186 |
9407* |
8786* |
16-Jun-56 |
|
Diag. No. |
685 |
741 |
769 |
698 |
|
|
4143 |
8083 |
10407* |
9398 |
8777 |
25-Sep-54 |
|
4144 |
8096 |
10410* |
9403 |
8782 |
2-Oct-54 |
|
4145 |
8089 |
9825* |
9400 |
8791 |
11-Dec-54 |
|
4146+ |
8018* |
10414* |
9377* |
8756* |
8-May-54 |
|
Diag. No. |
685 |
740 |
769 |
698 |
|
|
4147 |
8072 |
9180 |
9395 |
|
20-Nov-54 |
|
Diag. No. |
685 |
741 |
769 |
698 |
|
|
4148 |
8119 |
9199 |
9410 |
8789 |
12-Mar-55 |
|
4149+ |
8113* |
10401* |
9408* |
|
12-Nov-55 |
|
Diag. No. |
685 |
740 |
769 |
698 |
|
|
4150 |
8065 |
10413* |
9392 |
8774 |
22-Oct-55 |
|
4151 |
8078 |
9194 |
9397 |
8776 |
5-Mar-55 |
|
4152 |
8012 |
10416* |
9375 |
8754 |
6-Aug-55 |
|
Diag. No. |
685 |
741 |
769 |
698 |
|
|
4153 |
8023 |
9827* |
9378 |
8757 |
11-Sep-54 |
|
4154 |
8017 |
10418* |
9376 |
8755 |
26-Sep-53 |
|
Diag. No. |
671 |
741 |
769 |
698 |
|
|
4155 |
82137 |
9208 |
9404 |
8783 |
16-Jan-54 |
|
Diag. No. |
685 |
740 |
769 |
698 |
|
|
4156+ |
8030* |
10402* |
9381* |
8760* |
18=jun-55 |
|
Diag. No. |
685 |
741 |
769 |
698 |
|
|
4157 |
8084 |
9168 |
9399 |
8778 |
17-Jul-54 |
|
4158+ |
8024* |
10412* |
9379* |
8758* |
24-Sep-55 |
|
4159+ |
8054* |
9169 |
9389* |
8768* |
3-Dec-55 |
|
4160 |
8011 |
9195 |
9374 |
|
23-Jul-55 |
|
4161+ |
8114* |
9201 |
9409* |
|
26-Dec-53 |
|
Diag. No. |
685 |
740 |
769 |
698 |
|
|
4162 |
8029 |
10417* |
9380 |
8759 |
5-Nov-55 |
|
Diag. No. |
685 |
741 |
769 |
698 |
|
|
4163 |
8095 |
10415* |
9402 |
8781 |
4-May-54 |
|
4164+ |
|
9300 |
9383* |
|
20-Aug-55 |
|
4165 |
8042 |
9826* |
9385 |
8764 |
21-Jan-55 |
|
Diag. No. |
685 |
740 |
769 |
698 |
|
|
4166 |
8077 |
9190 |
9396 |
8775 |
31-Dec-55 |
|
Diag. No. |
685 |
741 |
769 |
698 |
|
|
4167 |
8066 |
9205 |
9393 |
8772 |
28-Aug-54 |
|
Diag. No. |
685 |
740 |
769 |
698 |
|
|
4168 |
8126 |
9829* |
9413 |
8792 |
5-Feb-55 |
|
Diag. No. |
685 |
741 |
769 |
698 |
|
|
4169 |
|
9207 |
9372 |
8751 |
3-Sep-55 |
|
Diag. No. |
685 |
740 |
769 |
698 |
|
|
4170+ |
8055* |
9828* |
9382* |
8761* |
14-Jan-56 |
|
Diag. No. |
685 |
769 |
741 |
698 |
|
|
4171 |
8102 |
9405 |
10406* |
8784 |
21-May-55 |
|
Footnotes |
|
|
1 |
10-Compt.
ex. LBSCR conversion. Diag. no.761. |
|
2 |
10-Compt. ex. LBSCR conversion. Diag. no.761. |
|
3 |
10-Compt. ex. LBSCR conversion. Diag. no.773. |
|
4 |
10-Compt. ex. LBSCR conversion. Diag. no.761. |
|
5 |
1925 ‘Guildford /Dorking’ 7-Compt. MBT. Diag. no.661. |
|
6 |
10-Compt. ex. LSWR conversion. Diag. no.760. |
|
7 |
Ex. LSWR 1928 conversion with flat cab end. |
|
8 |
1925 ‘Guildford/Dorking’ MBT. Diag. no.661 |
|
9 |
Ex. LSWR 1928 conversion with flat cab end. Diag. no.691. |
|
10 |
7-Compt. ex. LBSCR conversion. Diag. no.693. |
|
11 |
8-Compt. ex. LBSCR conversion. Diag. no.675. |
|
12 |
7½-Compt. MBT. Diag. no.676. |
Individual Unit Notes
(Nos.4131- 4171)
|
4131 |
Unit commenced service 2-May-42. Unit withdrawn 10‑Dec-55 and bodywork broken‑up at
Longhedge by 7‑Jan-56. Underframes used in
construction of new 4 EPB vehicles: 8006 for 14466, 10411 for 15421
(both unit no.5233) Sep-56, 8752 for 14469 (unit no.5235) Sep-56 and 9373 for
15432 (unit no.5244) Nov-56. |
|
4132 |
Unit commenced service 2-May-42. When formed all cars fully panelled, but part of unit flush‑panelled
later, possibly during repairs to blast damage sustained at Chertsey 24‑Sep-44.
Unit withdrawn 26‑Feb-55 and bodywork broken‑up at
Longhedge by 26‑Mar-55. Underframes used in
construction of new 4 EPB vehicles: 8059 for 14506 (unit no.5253)
Feb-57, 8769 for 14468 (unit no.5234) Sep-56, 9172 for 15327 (unit no.5199)
Dec-55 and 9390 for 15386 (unit no.5208) Feb-56. |
|
4133 |
Unit commenced service 31-Oct-42. Both trailers 9174 and 9387 exchanged with 9717 and 9719 (date
and reason unknown) (both ex.4566), these vehicles both being 10-compartment
ex. LBSCR conversions on lengthened AC frames, each seating one-hundred, four
compartments at one end being to first-class dimensions. These vehicles
weighed 25 tons 7cwt so overall unit weight was now reduced to 134 tons
and seating capacity remained three-hundred & fifty. When unit withdrawn 26‑May-56, 9719 formed into unit no.4506(2)
from Sep-56 and 9717 condemned 1‑Sep-56 and scrapped (probably at Newhaven?).
Bodywork of both MBT cars also broken up (where?) and their
underframes used in construction of new 4 EPB vehicles: 8048 for 14484 (unit
no.5242) Nov-56 and 8766 for 14479 (unit no.5240) Oct-56. |
|
4134 |
Unit commenced service 3-Oct-42. TT 9394 withdrawn 11‑Nov-52 at Eastleigh (damaged?)
and bodywork broken‑up at Longhedge 25‑Sep-54,
the underframe being used in construction of new 4 EPB vehicle 15350 (unit
no.5172) Jun-55. Unit reformed c.May-53 and TT 10405 to unit no.4411. Replaced
by TT cars 9472 and 9728 (both ex. disbanded unit no.4252), these
vehicles both being 10-compartment ex. LBSCR conversions on lengthened AC
underframes, each seating one-hundred, four compartments at one end being to
first-class dimensions. These vehicles weighed 25 tons 7cwt so
overall unit weight now reduced to 134 tons and seating capacity
remained at three-hundred & fifty. When unit withdrawn 2‑Jun-56, 9472 formed into unit no.4508(2)
from Oct-56 and 9728 formed into unit no.4507(2) also from Oct-56. Bodywork
of both MBT cars broken‑up and their underframes used in construction
of new 4 EPB vehicles: 8071 for 14478 and 8773 for 14477 (both unit no.5239)
Oct-56. |
|
4135 |
Unit commenced service 3-Oct-42. Unit withdrawn 17‑Dec-55 and bodywork broken‑up at
Longhedge by 14‑Jan-56. Underframes used in
construction of new 4 EPB vehicles: 8060 for 14433 and 9391 for 15405
(both unit no.5217) Apr-56, 8770 for 14432 (unit no.5216) Apr-56 and 9204 for
15439 (unit no.5251) Jan-57. |
|
4136 |
Unit commenced service 31-Oct-42. Unit withdrawn 15‑May-54 and bodywork broken‑up at
Longhedge? by 12‑Jun-54. Underframes used
in construction of new 4 EPB vehicles: 8120 for 14296 (unit no.5148)
Dec-54, 8790 for 14282 (unit no.5141) Nov-54, 9173 for 15266 (unit no.5138)
Oct-54 and 9411 for 15268 (unit no.5140) Nov-54. |
|
4137 |
Unit commenced service 31-Oct-42. Unit withdrawn 27‑Nov-54 and bodywork broken‑up at
Longhedge by 25‑Dec-54. Underframes used in
construction of new 4 EPB vehicles: 8090 for 14353 (unit no.5177)
Aug-55, 8780 for 14337, 9183 for 15297 and 9401 for 15347 (all unit no.5169)
May-55. |
|
4138 |
Unit commenced service 3-Jan-43. Unit withdrawn 23‑Apr-55 and bodywork broken‑up at
Longhedge by 21‑May-55. Underframes used in
construction of new 4 EPB vehicles: 8053 for 14363 (unit no.5182)
Sep-55, 8767 for 14362 (unit no.5181) Sep-55, 9181 for 15311 and 9388 for
15361 (both unit no.5183) Oct-55. |
|
4139 |
Unit commenced service 5-Dec-42. Unit withdrawn 13‑Feb-54 and bodywork broken‑up at
Longhedge? by 27‑Mar-54. Underframes used
in construction of new 4 EPB vehicles: 8107 for 14423 (unit no.5212)
Mar-56, 8785 for 14421 (unit no.5211) Mar-56, 9179 for 15252 (unit no.5124)
Jun-54 and 9406 for 15253 (unit no.5125) Jul-54. |
|
4140 |
Unit commenced service 7-Jan-43. Unit withdrawn 26‑Jun-54 and bodywork broken‑up at
Longhedge? by 24‑Jul-54. Underframes used
in construction of new 4 EPB vehicles: 8047 for 14283 and 8765 for 14284
(both unit no.5142) Nov-54, 9187 for 15218 (unit no.5140) Nov-54 and 9386 for
15271 (unit no.5143) Nov-54. |
|
4141 |
Unit commenced service 10-Feb-43. Unit withdrawn 19‑Feb-55 and bodywork broken‑up at
Longhedge by 19‑Mar-55. Underframes used in
construction of new 4 EPB vehicles: 8041 for 14344 (unit no.5172)
Jun-55, 8763 for 14511 (unit no.5256) Feb-57, 9170 for 15301 (unit no.5173)
Jul-55 and 9384 for 15360 (unit no.5182) Sep-55. |
|
4142 |
Unit commenced service 4-Mar-43. MBT 8108 damaged by enemy action (date and location
unknown) and proposed for break‑up, but then reinstated and
repaired. Unit was last wedge-ended cab unit to run and withdrawn 16‑Jun-56
and bodywork broken‑up at Longhedge.
Underframes used in construction of new 4 EPB vehicles: 8108 for
14517 (unit no.5259) Mar-57, 8786 for 14514 (unit no.5257) Mar-57, 9186 for
15448 (unit no.5260) Mar-57 and 9407 for 15444 (unit no.5256) Feb-57. |
|
4143 |
Unit commenced service 10-Mar-43. Unit withdrawn 25‑Sep-54 and bodywork broken‑up at
Longhedge by 23‑Oct-54. Underframes used in
construction of new 4 EPB vehicles: 8083 for 14382 (unit no.5191)
Nov-55, 8777 for 14379 (unit no.5190) Nov-55, 9398 for 15374 (unit no.5196)
Dec-55 and 10407 for 15320 (unit no.5192) Nov-55. |
|
4144 |
Unit commenced service 10-Mar-43. Unit withdrawn 2‑Oct-54 and bodywork broken‑up at Longhedge by 30‑Oct-54. Underframes used in
construction of new 4 EPB vehicles: 8096 for 14401 (unit no.5201)
Jan-56, 8782 for 14398 (unit no.5199) Dec-55, 9403 for 15382 (unit no.5204)
Jan-56 and 10410 for 15331 (unit no.5203) Jan-56. |
|
4145 |
Unit commenced service 1-Mar-43. Unit withdrawn 11‑Dec-54 and bodywork broken‑up at
Longhedge by 8‑Jan-55. Underframes used in
construction of new 4 EPB vehicles: 8089 for 14327 and 8791 for 14328
(both unit no.5164) Apr-55, 9400 for 15341 and 9825 for 15291 (both unit
no.5163) Apr-55. |
|
4146 |
Unit commenced service 2-Apr-43. Unit withdrawn 8‑May-54 and bodywork broken‑up at
Longhedge? by 5‑Jun-54. Underframes used
in construction of new 4 EPB vehicles: 8018 for 14280 (unit no.5140)
Nov-54, 8756 for 14291 (unit no.5146) Dec-54, 9377 for 15343 (unit no.5165)
May-55 and 10414 for 15216 (unit no.5138) Oct-54. |
|
4147 |
When formed only TT 9180 in Malachite green livery. Unit
commenced service 2-Apr-43. Unit reformed May-44 (enemy action damage?), MBT 8774
to ‘new’ unit no.4150, replaced by 8771 (ex.1243). Unit withdrawn 20‑Nov-54 and bodywork broken‑up at
Longhedge by 18‑Dec-54. Underframes used in
construction of new 4 EPB vehicles: 8072 for 14323 (unit no.5162)
Apr-55, 8771 for 14319 (unit no.5160) Mar-55, 9180 for 15287 and 9395 for
15337 (both unit no.5159) Mar-55. |
|
4148 |
Unit commenced service 23-Aug-43. Unit withdrawn 12‑Mar-55 and bodywork broken‑up at
Longhedge by 9‑Apr-55. Underframes used in
construction of new 4 EPB vehicles: 8119 for 14351, 8789 for 14352, 9199
for 15304 and 9410 for 15354 (all unit no.5176) Aug-55. |
|
4149 |
Unit commenced service 6-Sep-43. MBT 8787 damaged (where?) c.Jul-46 and temporarily
replaced by 8154 (ex.4313) until Jun-47, a similar 1925 ‘Guildford /Dorking’ 7-compartment
MBT with flush panelling. Unit shorter than standard for duration of this
change at 252' 2½" and weighing 136 tons 14cwt which
reverted during 1947. Unit withdrawn 12‑Nov-54 and bodywork broken‑up at
Longhedge by 10‑Dec-55. Underframes used in
construction of new 4 EPB vehicles: 8113 for 14505 (unit no.5253)
Feb-57, 8787 for 14482 and 10401 for 15429 (both unit no.5241) Oct-56, 9408
for 15416 (unit no.5228) Jul-56. |
|
4150 |
Unit commenced service 5-Jun-44. Unit withdrawn 22‑Oct-55 and bodywork broken‑up at
Longhedge by 19‑Nov-55. Underframes used in
construction of new 4 EPB vehicles: 8065 for 14411 and 8774 for 14412
(both unit no.5206) Feb-56, 9392 for 15389 (unit no.5211) Mar-56 and 10413
for 15402 (unit no.5214) Mar-56. |
|
4151 |
Unit commenced service 21-Jul-44. Unit withdrawn 5‑Mar-55 and bodywork broken‑up at Longhedge by 26‑Mar-55. Underframes used in
construction of new 4 EPB vehicles: 8078 for 14347, 8776 for 14348, 9194
for 15302 and 9397 for 15352 (all unit no.5174) Aug-55. |
|
4152 |
Unit commenced service 14-Aug-44. Unit withdrawn 6‑Aug-55 and bodywork broken‑up at Longhedge by 27‑Aug-55. Underframes used in
construction of new 4 EPB vehicles: 8012 for 14386 (unit no.5193)
Nov-55, 8754 for 14387 (unit no.5194) Nov-55, 9375 for 15378 (unit no.5200)
Dec-55 and 10416 for 15323 (unit no.5195) Dec-55. |
|
4153 |
Unit commenced service 23-Oct-44. MBT 8023 withdrawn 24‑Mar-54 but later reinstated
and to 4590 from Sep-54. (remainder of unit stored out of use?) and
withdrawn 11‑Sep-54 and bodywork of remaining three coaches broken‑up
at Longhedge by 9‑Oct-54. Underframes used in
construction of new 4 EPB vehicles: 8757 for 14307 (unit no.5154)
Feb-55, 9378 for 15280 (unit no.5152) Jan-55 and 9827 for 15231 (unit no.5153)
Jan-55. |
|
4154 |
Unit commenced service 13-Nov-44. TT 9376 exchanged with 10-compartment ex. LSWR conversion TT
9344 (ex.4235) (date unknown), this coach having four compartments to
first-class dimensions. Unit withdrawn 26‑Sep-53 and bodywork broken‑up at
Lancing? by 17‑Oct-53. Underframes used in construction of new
4 EPB vehicles: 8017 for 14509 (unit no.5255) Feb-57, 8755 for 14493 (unit
no.5247) Dec-56, 9344 for 15249 (unit no.5121) Jun-54 and 10418 for 15198 (unit
no.5120) May-54. |
|
4155 |
Unit commenced service 9-Dec-44. Unit augmented Dec-44 from damaged coaches of units 1267 and
1692 which had been recently reformed c.Aug-44 with two ‘1915’ ex. LSWR cars
from unit no.1267 following war damage. MBT 8213 therefore had a flat style
cab end and unit weighed 136 tons 16cwt. Unit withdrawn 16‑Jan-54 and bodywork broken‑up at
Lancing? by 13‑Feb-54. Underframes used in construction of new
4 EPB vehicles: 8213 for 15442 (unit no.5254) Feb-57 (an example of a
former MBT frame being used under a trailer car) 8783 for 14487 (unit no.5244)
Nov-56, 9208 for 15200 (unit no.5122) Jun-54 and 9404 for 15251 (unit no.5123)
Jun-54. |
|
4156 |
Unit commenced service 21-Feb-45. Unit withdrawn 18‑Jun-55 and bodywork broken‑up at
Longhedge by 9-Jul-55. Underframes used in
construction of new 4 EPB vehicles: 8030 for 14372 (unit no.5186)
Oct-55, 8760 for 14376 and 10402 for 15316 (both unit no.5188) Nov-55 and
9381 for 15367 (unit no.5189) Nov-55. |
|
4157 |
Unit commenced service 21-Mar-45. Unit withdrawn 17‑Jul-54 and bodywork broken‑up at
Longhedge? by 14‑Aug-54. Underframes used
in construction of new 4 EPB vehicles: 8084 for 14309 (unit no.5155)
Feb-55, 8778 for 14294 (unit no.5147) Dec-54, 9168 for 15224 and 9399 for
15274 (both unit no.5146) Dec-54. |
|
4158 |
Unit commenced service 23-Jul-45. Unit withdrawn 24‑Sep-55 and bodywork broken‑up at
Longhedge by 22‑Oct-55. Underframes used in
construction of new 4 EPB vehicles: 8024 for 14403 and 8758 for 14404
(both unit no.5202) Jan-56, 9379 for 15399 (unit no.5211) Mar-56 and 10412
for 15333 (unit no.5205) Jan-56. |
|
4159 |
Unit commenced service 28-Aug-45. Unit withdrawn 3‑Dec-55 and bodywork broken‑up at Longhedge by 31‑Dec-55. Underframes used in
construction of new 4 EPB vehicles: 8054 for 14434 (unit no.5217)
Apr-56, 8768 for 14429 and 9389 for 15393 (both unit no.5215) Apr-56 and 9169
for 15404 (unit no.5216) Apr-56. |
|
4160 |
Unit commenced service 7-Nov-45. MBT 8753 temporarily replaced by 8178
(ex.4325) from c.Sep-50 until c.Feb-51 (reason unknown). This car a
similar 7-compartment MBT with ‘vee end’ cab but mounted on 56' 11"
underframe, reducing overall unit length to 252' 2½" and weight to
136 tons 14cwt for duration of change. Unit withdrawn 23‑Jul-55 and bodywork of all
coaches broken‑up at Longhedge by 20‑Aug-55
and their underframes used in construction of new 4 EPB vehicles: 8011
for 14385 (unit no.5193) Nov-55, 8753 for 14388 (unit no.5194) Nov-55, 9195
for 15324 (unit no.5196) Dec-55 and 9374 for 15375 (unit no.5197) Dec-55. |
|
4161 |
Unit commenced service 4-Dec-45. Unit damaged in collision at Strood 10‑Oct-47 and MBT
8788 withdrawn and bodywork broken-up on site and underframe used in
construction of new 4 SUB vehicle 12711 (unit no.4690) Sep-50. Replaced
from Nov-47 by 8808 (ex. disbanded unit no.1673), a similar 8-compartment ex.
LSWR conversion but with flat style cab end, and unit now weighed
137 tons 2cwt. Unit withdrawn 26‑Dec-53 and bodywork broken‑up at
Lancing? by 16‑Jan-54. Underframes used in construction of new
4 EPB vehicles: 8114 for 14435 (unit no.5218) Apr-56, 8808 for
14242 (unit no.5121) Jun-54, 9201 for 15210 (unit no.5132) Sep-54 and 9409
for 15248 (unit no.5120) May-54. |
|
4162 |
Unit commenced service 20-Dec-45. Unit withdrawn 5‑Nov-55 and bodywork broken‑up at Longhedge by 3‑Dec-55. Underframes used in
construction of new 4 EPB vehicles: 8029 for 14420 (unit no.5210)
Mar-56, 8759 for 14416 (unit no.5208) Feb-56, 9380 for 15401 (unit no.5213)
Mar-56 and 10417 for 15403 (unit no.5215) Apr-56. |
|
4163 |
Unit commenced service 1-Feb-46. When formed probably that
only TT 10415 in Malachite green livery, unit repainted to that livery
when released 6-Jan-48 from overhaul at Lancing. Unit withdrawn 4‑Sep-54 and bodywork broken‑up at Longhedge by 2‑Oct-54. Underframes used in
construction of new 4 EPB vehicles: 8095 for 14299 (unit no.5150)
Jan-55, 8781 for 14301 (unit no.5151) Jan-55, 9402 for 15276 (unit no.5148)
Dec-54 and 10415 for 15227 (unit no.5149) Jan-55. |
|
4164 |
Unit commenced service 20-Feb-46. Unit disbanded 20‑Aug-55 and both MBT cars 8036 and 8762
stored at Hassocks until formed into unit no.4537 from Oct-55. Both trailers
9300 and 9383 withdrawn and formed between MBT cars 8872 and 8706 (ex.4537)
though unit not used in this formation. All four coaches had bodywork broken‑up
at Longhedge by 17‑Sep-55 along with the
underframes of the MBT cars, and the trailer underframes used in construction
of new 4 EPB vehicles: 9300 for 15326 (unit no.5198) Dec-55 and 9383 for
15377 (unit no.5199) Dec-55. |
|
4165 |
Unit commenced service 8-Feb-46. Unit withdrawn 22‑Jan-55 and bodywork broken‑up at
Longhedge by 19‑Feb-55. Underframes used in
construction of new 4 EPB vehicles: 8042 for 14341, 9385 for 15349 and
9826 for 15299 (all unit no.5171) Jun-55, 8764 for 14346 (unit no.5173)
Jul-55. |
|
4166 |
Unit commenced service 23-May-46. Unit withdrawn 31‑Dec-55 and bodywork broken‑up at
Longhedge shortly afterwards. Underframes used in
construction of new 4 EPB vehicles: 8077 for 14437 and 9396 for 15407
(both unit no.5219) May-56, 8775 for 14439 (unit no.5220) May-56 and 9190 for
15441 (unit no.5253) Feb-57. |
|
4167 |
Unit commenced service 25-May-46. Unit withdrawn 28‑Aug-54 and bodywork broken‑up at
Longhedge by 25‑Sep-54. Underframes used in
construction of new 4 EPB vehicles: 8066 for 14304 (unit no.5152) Feb-55,
8772 for 14306 (unit no.5153) Feb-55, 9205 for 15229 and 9393 for 15279 (both
unit no.5151) Jan-55. |
|
4168 |
Unit commenced service 23-Sep-46. Unit damaged in collision with unit no.4332 at Woolwich
Arsenal 18‑Nov-48 but repaired. Unit withdrawn 5‑Feb-55 and bodywork broken‑up at Longhedge by 5‑Mar-55. Underframes used in
construction of new 4 EPB vehicles: 8126 for 14349, 9413 for 15353 and
9829 for 15303 (all unit no.5175) Aug-55, 8792 for 14342 (unit no.5171)
Jun-55. |
|
4169 |
Unit commenced service 2-Oct-46. MBT 8005 exchanged with damaged 7½ compartment 8046 (ex.4228)
Nov-47 and following repairs unit now seated three-hundred & forty-five
weighing 139 tons 2cwt. MBT 8046 had the larger buffers so unit had
these at one end only. Unit withdrawn 3‑Sep-55 and bodywork broken‑up at Longhedge by 24‑Sep-55. Underframes used in
construction of new 4 EPB vehicles: 8046 for 14394 and 9207 for 15325
(both unit no.5197) Dec-55, 8751 for 14391 (unit no.5196) Dec-55 and 9372 for
15376 (unit no.5198) Dec-55. |
|
4170 |
Unit commenced service 21-Nov-46. Unit withdrawn 14‑Jan-56 and bodywork broken‑up at
Longhedge by 11‑Feb-56. Underframes used in
construction of new 4 EPB vehicles: 8035 for 14443 (unit no.5222)
Jun-56, 8761 for 14442 and 9382 for 15409 (both unit no.5221) May-56 and 9828
for 15446 (unit no.5258) Mar-57. |
|
4171 |
Unit commenced service 25-Nov-46. When formed, unit odd one out in whole batch with augmentation
coach placed between the former first-class compartments of the TT and MBT. Unit withdrawn 21‑May-55 and bodywork broken‑up at
Longhedge by 2‑Jul-55. Underframes used in
construction of new 4 EPB vehicles: 8102 for 14366 and 8784 for 14365
(both unit no.5183) Oct-55, 9405 for 15364 (unit no.5186) Oct-55 and
10406 for 15362 (unit no.5184) Oct-55. |
The motor units taken for this batch of augmentations came from
the 1658 ‑ 1701 series, those being augmented with 10-compartment
trailers becoming units nos.4172 ‑ 4194, whilst others which
gained 11-compartment trailers were numbered in a further series from
4235 to 4250. One odd unit (no.1790) from a later batch was also
included in the batch, becoming 4190, this unit having a non-standard seating
capacity and weight.
These units differed most obviously from the 4131 ‑ 4171
and 4195 ‑ 4234 batches of units by having the much flatter
style cab end, the motor units used in these conversions, though converted from
the same batches of LSWR bogie block coaches as the above units, having the
standard ‘SR’ cab design as conversion did not take place until 1927 /1928.
The vehicles used for augmentation were again taken from
disbanded Trailer Sets, being recent conversions to electric operation between
1934 and 1937, all having 10 third-class compartments seating one-hundred and
weighing 27 tons. They were similarly modified to those used in the previous
batches with the side buffers at what had been the unit end being replaced by a
centre buffer and the jumper connections moved to roof level. This resulted in
the alteration of their diagram numbers from either 731 or 732 to 741 and 740
respectively on conversion. Similarly, 3 Car Motor Units being augmented which
still retained intermediate bar couplers (some had been altered earlier) had these
changed to the centre buffer and three link chain arrangement.
The motor units used in these conversions (with one exception)
consisted of an 8-compartment MBT seating 80 and weighing
39 tons 14cwt, a 10-compartment TT seating one-hundred (in five third-class
and five former first-class now downgraded) and weighing
27 tons 12cwt along with a former MBC (now downgraded to MBT) with
7-compartments (two former first-class downgraded) seating seventy and weighing
39 tons 14cwt. This gave overall unit totals of 134 tons and three-hundred
& fifty seats with an overall length of 257' 5".
However, unit no.4190 was converted from 3 Coach Unit no.1790 of
a later batch, this unit having a 7½ compartment MBT seating seventy-five, a
9-compartment TT seating ninety and an 8-compartment MBT seating eighty and
weighing 41 tons. Therefore, this unit seated three-hundred & forty-five
and weighed 136 tons. The augmentation trailer was inserted into these units
between the original MBT and the TT keeping the former first-class compartments
together, (with one exception). Once again some of the augmentation vehicles
were flush panelled below the waistline. The seating in the downgraded first-class
compartments was now regarded as seating five‑aside and the armrests were
sewn‑up on augmentation during the revarnishing of the units at Selhurst.
Units were not augmented in any sort of number order, being done
as they became due for varnishing, but the newly formed 4 SUB was numbered
upwards from 4172. The first was completed late in 1946 and the last was done
by mid‑1949, some therefore gaining Southern Railway livery whilst later
ones were outshopped in early British Railways style. Withdrawals began in
1953 and most had gone by 1954 though a few survived until 1956, all vehicle
bodies being broken‑up at either Longhedge or
Lancing shortly after withdrawal. Virtually all underframes were reused in new
4 EPB vehicles.
Unit formations were as follows, with the date of formation
below the unit number and the number of the vehicles' previous unit being shown
in brackets below, flush panelled vehicles ex. Trailer Sets are marked with ‘*’
after the coach number, whilst those with Diagram No. 740 are marked with #.
XXX
|
Unit |
MBT |
TT |
TT |
MBT |
Withdrawn |
|
Diag. No. |
671 |
741 |
759 |
691 |
|
|
4172 |
8179 |
9203 |
9307 |
8793 |
28-Nov-53 |
|
4173 |
8192 |
9191 |
9320 |
8806 |
14-Nov-53 |
|
Diag. No. |
671 |
740 |
759 |
691 |
|
|
4174 |
8182 |
9171 |
9310 |
8796 |
28-Nov-53 |
|
Diag. No. |
671 |
741 |
759 |
691 |
|
|
4175 |
8203 |
9196 |
9331 |
8817 |
10-Oct-53 |
|
4176 |
8205 |
929813 |
9333 |
8819 |
28-Jan-56 |
|
Diag. No. |
671 |
740 |
759 |
691 |
|
|
4177 |
8183 |
9175 |
9311 |
|
18-Jul-53 |
|
4178 |
8197 |
9176 |
9325 |
8811 |
13-Nov-54 |
|
4179 |
8198 |
10409* |
9326 |
8812 |
27-Jul-53 |
|
Diag. No. |
671 |
741 |
759 |
691 |
|
|
4180 |
8185 |
9189 |
9313 |
8799 |
5-Dec-53 |
|
Diag. No. |
671 |
740 |
759 |
691 |
|
|
4181 |
8186 |
9193 |
9314 |
880 |
2-Apr-55 |
|
4182 |
8201 |
9178 |
9329 |
8815 |
29-May-54 |
|
4183 |
8196 |
9177 |
9324 |
8810 |
1-Aug-53 |
|
Diag. No. |
671 |
741 |
759 |
691 |
|
|
4184 |
8191 |
9185 |
9319 |
8805 |
7-Jun-52 |
|
Diag. No. |
671 |
740 |
759 |
691 |
|
|
4185 |
8184 |
9202 |
9312 |
|
19-Sep-53 |
|
4186 |
8204 |
9188 |
9332 |
8818 |
10-Oct-53 |
|
4187 |
8193 |
9182 |
9321 |
8807 |
18-Dec-54 |
|
4188 |
8189 |
10404* |
9317 |
8803 |
13-Mar-54 |
|
4189 |
8195 |
9184 |
9323 |
8809 |
5-Sep-53 |
|
|
|
|
(9-comp.) |
(7½-comp.) |
|
|
Diag. No. |
683 |
743 |
765 |
687 |
|
|
4190 |
8573 |
9078 |
9659 |
8572 |
21-Jan-56 |
|
|
|
|
(10-comp.) |
(7-comp.) |
|
|
Diag. No. |
671 |
759 |
741 |
691 |
|
|
4191 |
8206 |
9334 |
10403* |
8820 |
6-May-53 |
|
Diag. No. |
671 |
741 |
759 |
691 |
|
|
4192 |
8187 |
10408* |
9315 |
8801 |
23-Mar-53 |
|
Diag. No. |
671 |
740 |
759 |
691 |
|
|
4193 |
8181 |
9206 |
9309 |
8795 |
29-Aug-53 |
|
4194 |
8180 |
9192 |
9308 |
8794 |
31-Oct-53 |
|
Notes: |
|||||
|
13
= TT Diagram 743 (detail differences
unknown). 14
= 7½-compt. MBT. Diagram 687. |
15
= 7-compt. MBT. Diagram 694. |
||||
Individual Unit Notes
(Nos.4172 – 4194)
|
4172 |
Unit commenced service 23-Jan-47. Unit withdrawn 28‑Nov-53 and bodywork broken‑up at
Lancing? by 15‑Dec-53. Underframes used in construction of new 4 EPB vehicles:
8179 for 14224 and 8793 for 14223 (both 5112) Apr-54, 9203 for 15191 and 9307
for 15241 (both 5113) Apr-54. |
|
4173 |
Unit commenced service 2-May-47. Unit withdrawn 14‑Nov-53 and bodywork broken‑up at
Lancing? by 5‑Dec-53. Underframes used in construction of new
4 EPB vehicles: 8192 for 14221, 9191 for 15329 and 9320 for 15189 (all
5111) May-54, 8806 for 14220 (unit no.5110) May-54. |
|
4174 |
Unit commenced service 27-May-47. Unit withdrawn 28‑Nov-53 and bodywork broken‑up at
Lancing? by 26‑Dec-53. Underframes used in construction of new
4 EPB vehicles: 8182 for 14230 (unit no.5115) Apr-54, 8796 for 14227,
9171 for 15192 and 9310 for 15242 (all 5114) Apr-54. |
|
4175 |
Unit commenced service 26-Jun-47. Unit withdrawn 10‑Oct-53 and bodywork broken‑up at
Lancing? by 31‑Oct-53. Underframes used in construction of new
4 EPB vehicles: 8203 for 14231 (unit no.5116) Apr-54, 8817 for 14216 (unit
no.5108) May-54, 9196 for 15188 and 9331 for 15238 (both 5110) May-54. |
|
4176 |
Unit commenced service 1-Aug-47. Augmentation TT 9298 had non‑standard Diagram No.
743 (reason unknown). Unit withdrawn 28‑Jan-56 and bodywork,
also underframe of TT 9298 broken‑up at Longhedge
by 3‑May-56. Remaining three underframes used in construction of new
4 EPB vehicles: 8205 for 14444 (unit no.5222) Jun-56, 8819 for 14446 and
9333 for 15411 (both 5223) Jun-56. |
|
4177 |
Unit commenced service 5-Aug-77. MBT 8797 damaged (where?) c.May-52 and withdrawn and
bodywork broken‑up at Lancing? 30‑May-53 and underframe
used in construction of new 4 EPB vehicle 14211 (unit no.5106) Feb-54.
Replaced by 9845 (ex.4418), a 7½ compartment vehicle with similar bodystyle seating 75, overall unit capacity now being 355
and weight 135 tons 12cwt. Unit withdrawn 18‑Jul-53 and
bodywork broken‑up at Lancing? by 8‑Aug-53. Underframes
used in construction of new 4 EPB vehicles: 8183 for 14097 (unit no.5049)
Jan-54, 9175 for 15173 (unit no.5048) Dec-53, 9311 for 15155 (unit no.5102)
Dec-53 and 9845 for 14277 (unit no.5139) Oct-54. |
|
4178 |
Unit commenced service 5-Aug-47. Unit withdrawn 13‑Nov-54, cars condemned w/e 20-Nov-54
and bodywork broken‑up at Longhedge as
follows: 8197 w/e 4-Dec-54, 8811, 9176 & 9325 w/e 11‑Dec-54. XXX
format Underframes used in construction of new 4 EPB vehicles:
8197 for 14322, 9176 for 15289 and 9325 for 15339 (all unit nos.5161) May-55,
8811 for 14325 (unit nos.5163) Apr-55. |
|
4179 |
Unit commenced service 5-Nov-47. Unit withdrawn 25‑Jul-53 and bodywork broken‑up at
Lancing? by 15‑Aug-53. Underframes used in construction of new
4 EPB vehicles: 8198 for 15436 (unit no.5248) Dec-56, an example of a
former motorcoach underframe being used under a trailer coach, 8812 for 14098
and 10409 for 15174 (both 5049) Jan-54 and 9326 for 15156 (unit no.5103)
Jan-54. |
|
4180 |
Unit commenced service 10-Nov-47. Unit withdrawn 5‑Dec-53 and bodywork broken‑up at
Lancing? by 9‑Jan-54. Underframes used in construction of new
4 EPB vehicles: 8185 for 14233 and 8799 for 14324 (both 5117) May-54,
9189 for 15193 (unit no.5115) Apr-54 and 9313 for 15244 (unit no.5116)
Apr-54. |
|
4181 |
Unit commenced service 21-Nov-47. Unit withdrawn 2‑Apr-55 and bodywork broken‑up at Longhedge by 30‑Apr-55. Underframes used in
construction of new 4 EPB vehicles: 8186 for 14490 (unit no.5245)
Nov-56, 8800 for 14492 (unit no.5246) Nov-56, 9193 for 15371 (unit no.5193)
Nov-55 and 9314 for 15307 (unit no.5179) Sep-55. |
|
4182 |
Unit commenced service 5-Dec-47. Unit withdrawn 29-May-54 and bodywork broken‑up at
Lancing? by 26‑Jun-54. Underframes used in construction of new
4 EPB vehicles: 8201 for 14279 (unit no.5140) Nov-54, 8815 for 14278 (unit
no.5139) Oct-54, 9178 for 15215 (unit no.5137) Oct-54 and 9329 for 15264 (unit
no.5136) Oct-54. |
|
4183 |
Unit commenced service 10-Dec-47. Unit withdrawn 1‑Aug-53 and bodywork broken‑up at
Lancing? by 8‑Aug-53. Underframes used in construction of new
4 EPB vehicles: 8196 for 14096 (unit no.5048) Dec-53, 8810 for 14101 and
9177 for 15176 (both 5051) Feb-54, 9324 for 15234 (unit no.5106) Feb-54. |
|
4184 |
Unit commenced service 30-Dec-47. Unit withdrawn briefly 19‑Dec-50 but reinstated.
MBT 8805 damaged c.May-52 (date and location unknown), and body
broken‑up and underframe to Micheldever 1‑Apr-52 for storage,
until taken to Eastleigh 13‑Jun-52 and cut‑up. Unit disbanded 7‑Jun-52
when both MBTs condemned, and TT 9185 to 4503(1), TT 9319 to 4586. MBT 8191
stored until bodywork scrapped (where and when?) and underframe used
in construction of new 4 EPB vehicle 14510 for 5255 Feb-57. |
|
4185 |
Unit commenced service 25-Feb-48. Unit withdrawn briefly 19‑Dec-50 but reinstated. MBT
8798 exchanged with 8884 (ex.4546), (date and reason unknown). 8884
was a similar 7-compartment coach with LBSCR bodywork mounted onto a
lengthened AC frame and weighed 39tons 9cwt giving a revised unit weight of
133tons 15cwt. Unit withdrawn 15‑Sep-53 and bodywork of all four
coaches broken‑up at Lancing? by 24‑Oct-53, the underframe
of 8884 also being cut there 20‑Feb-54. Remaining three underframes
used in construction of new 4 EPB vehicles: 8184 for 14226 (unit no.5113)
Apr-54, 9202 for 15190 and 9312 for 15240 (both 5112) Apr-54. |
|
4186 |
Unit commenced service 18-Jun-48. Unit withdrawn 10-Oct-53 and bodywork broken‑up at
Lancing? by 7-Nov-53. Underframes used in construction of new 4 EPB
vehicles: 8204 for 14215 (unit no.5108) May-54, 8818 for 14218 (unit no.5109)
May-54, 9188 for 15275 (unit no.5147) Dec-54 and 9332 for 15230 (unit no.5152)
Feb-55. |
|
4187 |
Unit commenced service 22-Jun-48. Unit withdrawn 18‑Dec-54 and bodywork broken‑up at
Longhedge by 22‑Jan-55. Underframes used in
construction of new 4 EPB vehicles: 8193 for 14330 and 8807 for 14329
(both 5165) May-55, 9182 for 15292 and 9321 for 15342 (both 5164) Apr-55. |
|
4188 |
Unit commenced service 8-Nov-48. Unit withdrawn 13‑May-54 and bodywork broken‑up at
Lancing? by 10‑Apr-54. Underframes used in construction of new
4 EPB vehicles: 8189 for 14260 (unit no.5130) Aug-54, 8803 for 14257 (unit
no.5129) Aug-54, 9317 for 15254 and 10404 for 15204 (both 5126) Jul-54. |
|
4189 |
Unit commenced service 9-Nov-48. Unit withdrawn 5‑Sep-53 and bodywork broken‑up at
Lancing? by 26‑Sep-53. Underframes used in construction of new
4 EPB vehicles: 8195 for 14417 (unit no.5209) Feb-56, 8809 for 14251 (unit
no.5126) Jul-54, 9184 for 15180 (unit no.5102) Dec-53 and 9323 for 15149 (unit
no.5049) Jan-54. |
|
4190 |
Unit commenced service 25-Nov-48. Unit withdrawn 21‑Jan-56 and bodywork, also underframe
of TT 9078 broken‑up at Longhedge by 25‑Feb-56.
Remaining three underframes used in construction of new 4 EPB vehicles:
8572 for 14449 (unit no.5225) Jun-56, 8573 for 14454 (unit no.5227) Jul-56
and 9659 for 15414 (unit no.5226) Jul-56. |
|
4191 |
Unit commenced service 3-Dec-48. When unit formed, unit odd one out in whole batch with
augmentation coach placed between the former first class compartments of the
TT and MBT. Unit withdrawn 16‑May-53 and bodywork broken‑up at
Lancing? by 6‑Jun-53. Underframes used in construction of new
4 EPB vehicles: 8206 for 14080 and 8820 for 14079 (both 5040) Oct-53,
9334 for 15161 (unit no.5036) Oct-53 and 10403 for 15167 (unit no.5042)
Nov-53. |
|
4192 |
Unit commenced service 13-Jan-49. Unit damaged in collision at Strawberry Hill 15‑May-53
and unit withdrawn 23‑May-53. MBT 8801 scrapped and bodywork of
remaining three coaches also broken‑up at Lancing? by 27‑Jun-53
and their underframes used in construction of new 4 EPB vehicles: 8187
for 14203 (unit no.5102) Dec-53, 9315 for 15147 (unit no.5047) Dec-53 and
10408 for 15170 (unit no.5045) Nov-53. |
|
4193 |
Unit commenced service 14-Jan-49. Unit withdrawn 29‑Aug-53 and bodywork broken‑up at
Lancing? by 12‑Sep-53. Underframes used in construction of new
4 EPB vehicles: 8181 for 14209 and 9206 for 15183 (both 5105) Feb-54,
8795 for 14207 (unit no.5104) Jan-54 and 9309 for 15150 (unit no.5050)
Feb-54. |
|
4194 |
Unit commenced service ?-Jun-49. Unit withdrawn 31‑Oct-53 and bodywork broken‑up at
Lancing? by 28‑Nov-53. Underframes used in construction of new
4 EPB vehicles: 8180 for 14232 (unit no.5116) Apr-54, 8794 for 14229 and
9308 for 15243 (both 5115) Apr-54, 9192 for 15195 (unit no.5117) May-54. |
This series of units were similar to the 4131 ‑ 4171
batch and delivery commenced in late 1942 and ran in parallel with the 4131
batch with the last not being augmented until the first months of BR ownership
in March 1948.
The difference was that the ex. LSWR units used were from the
sub-type formed with two identical 7½-compartment MBTs at each end and a
trailer with 8-compartments and a small 10-seat saloon, five of these
compartments and the saloon being the former first class accommodation (now
downgraded to third); these being at one end of the coach with the saloon being
between the first and third compartments. The saloon now seated 13 third.
The vehicles used for augmentation were 11-compartment ex. LSWR
conversions dating from 1928 – 1931; these being from the trailer
unit batches numbered 1121 ‑ 1167 and 1188 ‑ 1194.
Again, augmented units were formed during overhaul and repaint and again 3 car motor
units were selected as they became due for this work and not in any sort of
number order.
These units were formed as follows:
|
|
MBT |
7½ compartments |
Seated 75 |
Weight not known |
|
|
TT |
11-compartments |
Seated 110 |
Weight not known |
|
|
TT |
8-compartments & saloon |
Seated 93 (five
compartments and saloon downgraded firsts) |
Weight not known |
|
|
MBT |
7½ compartments |
Seated 75 |
Weight not known |
Overall these units were 257' 5" long and weighed
138¼ tons though some had variable weights due to the underframe
differences mentioned with the 4131 batch, fifteen of these units having the
heavier underframes and large buffers. The overall seating capacity was 353.
When formed these units were all fitted with Westinghouse 339
motors, these were gradually replaced by EE 339 ones from 1950 as these motors
were displaced from units being rebuilt and fitted with the EE 507 type. These
units survived in traffic until withdrawn in 1954 /55 /56 and all then had
their bodies scrapped at either Longhedge or Lancing
shortly after withdrawal. Virtually all the underframes were recovered for use
in the 4 EPB building programme.
Unit formations were as follows with the date of formation shown
below the unit number, and the number of the vehicle’s original unit shown in
brackets below. Those with a + after the unit number were units with the three
former 12xx unit coaches mounted on the heavier underframes and with
large buffers at cab ends, and coaches with a ‘*’ after the number had flush
panelling.
|
Unit |
MBT |
TT |
TT |
MBT |
Withdrawn |
|
Diag. No. |
676 |
742 |
772 |
676 |
|
|
4195+ |
8086* |
9157 |
9428* |
8085* |
14-May-55 |
|
4196 |
8104 |
9163 |
9431 |
8103 |
3-Sep-55 |
|
4197+ |
8122* |
9217 |
9434* |
8121* |
18-Jun-55 |
|
4198 |
8056 |
9214 |
9423 |
8055 |
21-Aug-54 |
|
4199+ |
8020* |
9213 |
9417* |
8019* |
30-Apr-55 |
|
4200+ |
8002* |
9232 |
9414* |
8001* |
3-Jul-54 |
|
4201+ |
8044* |
9254 |
9421* |
8043* |
25-Jun-55 |
|
4202+ |
8014* |
9215 |
9416* |
8013* |
27-Mar-54 |
|
4203* |
8026* |
9251 |
9418* |
8025* |
30-Oct-54 |
|
4204 |
8062 |
9247 |
9424 |
8061 |
19-Nov-55 |
|
4205+ |
8050* |
9238 |
9422* |
8049* |
10-Sep-55 |
|
4206 |
8092 |
9165 |
9429 |
8091 |
7-Jan-56 |
|
4207+ |
8032* |
9236 |
9419* |
8031* |
17-Apr-54 |
|
4208+ |
8038* |
9241 |
9420* |
8037* |
17-Sep-55 |
|
4209+ |
8068* |
9228 |
9425* |
8067* |
12-Feb-55 |
|
4210+ |
8080* |
9239 |
9427* |
8079* |
8-Oct-55 |
|
4211 |
8008 |
9297 |
9415 |
8007 |
10-Jul-54 |
|
4212+ |
8116* |
9233 |
9433* |
8115* |
19-Mar-55 |
|
4213+ |
8074* |
9237 |
9426* |
8073* |
15-Oct-55 |
|
4214 |
8098 |
9252 |
9430 |
8097 |
26-Mar-55 |
|
4215+ |
8110* |
|
9432* |
8109* |
5-May-56 |
|
Notes: |
|||||
|
16
= ‘All-steel’ augmentation trailer.
Diagram 2013. |
|||||
Individual Unit Notes
(Nos.4195 – 4215)
|
4195 |
Unit commenced service 7-Nov-42. Unit withdrawn 14-May-55 and bodywork broken‑up at Longhedge by 18‑Jun‑55. Underframes used in
construction of new 4 EPB vehicles: 8085 for 14467 (unit no.5234)
Sep-56, 8086 for 14512 (unit no.5256) Feb‑57, 9157 for 15313 (unit no.5185)
Oct-55 and 9428 for 15312 (unit no.5184) Oct-55. |
|
4196 |
Unit commenced service 27-Nov-42. Unit withdrawn 3‑Sep-55 and bodywork broken‑up at Longhedge by 1‑Oct-55. Underframes used in
construction of new 4 EPB vehicles: 8103 for 14396 (unit no.5198)
Dec-55, 8104 for 14399 (unit no.5200) Dec-55, 9163 for 15419 (unit no.5231)
Aug-56 and 9431 for 15381 (unit no.5203) Jan‑56. |
|
4197 |
Unit commenced service 27-Nov-42. Unit withdrawn 18‑Jun‑55 and bodywork broken‑up
at Longhedge by 2‑Jul-55. Underframes used in
construction of new 4 EPB vehicles: 8121 for 14373 and 9217 for 15315
(both 5187) Oct-55, 8122 for 14371 (unit no.5186) Oct-55 and 9434 for 15366 (unit
no.5188) Nov-55. |
|
4198 |
Unit commenced service 5-Dec-42. Unit withdrawn 21‑Aug-54 and bodywork broken‑up at
Longhedge by 18‑Sep-54. Underframes used in
construction of new 4 EPB vehicles: 8055 for 14303 (unit no.5152)
Feb-55, 8056 for 14297 (unit no.5149) Jan‑55, 9214 15225 (unit no.5147)
Dec-54 and 9423 for 15278 (unit no.5150) Jan‑55. |
|
4199 |
Unit commenced service 3-Jan-43. Unit withdrawn 30-Apr-55 and bodywork broken‑up at Longhedge by 7‑May‑55. Underframes used in
construction of new 4 EPB vehicles: 8019 for 14369 and 8020 for 14370
(both 5185) Oct-55, 9213 for 15314 (unit no.5186) Oct-55 and 9417 for 15365 (unit
no.5187) Oct-55. |
|
4200 |
Unit commenced service 25-Jun-43. Unit withdrawn 3‑Jul-54 and bodywork broken‑up at
Lancing? by 31‑Jul-54. Underframes used in construction of new
4 EPB vehicles: 8001 for 14316 (unit no.5158) Mar‑55, 8002 for
14314 and 9232 for 15285 (both 5157) Mar‑55, 9414 for 15334 (unit no.5156)
Feb‑55. |
|
4201 |
Unit commenced service 22-Jul-43. Unit withdrawn 25‑Jun‑55 and bodywork broken‑up
at Longhedge by 16‑Jul-55. Underframes used
in construction of new 4 EPB vehicles: 8043 for 14375 (unit no.5188)
Nov-55, 8044 for 14377 (unit no.5189) Nov-55, 9254 for 15319 and 9421 for
15369 (both 5191) Nov-55. |
|
4202 |
Unit commenced service 22-Nov-43. Unit withdrawn 27-Mar‑54 and bodywork of both trailers
9215 and 9416 broken‑up at Lancing? by 24‑Apr‑54 and
their underframes used in construction of new 4 EPB vehicles: 9215 for
15308 and 9416 for 15358 (both 5180) Sep-55. Both MBTs used as a ‘Tractor
Unit’ for movements between Peckham Rye and Strawberry Hill until
Jul-56 when withdrawn and bodywork broken‑up at Newhaven and
underframes used in construction of new 4 EPB vehicles: 8013 for 15440
and 8014 for 14503 (both 5252) Jan‑57, 8013 being an unusual example of
a former motorcoach frame being used under a trailer coach. |
|
4203 |
Unit commenced service 3-Jan-44. Unit withdrawn 30‑Oct-54 and bodywork broken‑up at
Longhedge by 27‑Nov-54. Underframes used in
construction of new 4 EPB vehicles: 8025 for 14318 (unit no.5159) Mar‑55,
8026 for 14320, 9251 for 15288 and 9418 for 15338 (all 5160) Mar‑55. |
|
4204 |
Unit commenced service 3-May-44. Unit withdrawn 19‑Nov-55 and bodywork broken‑up at
Longhedge by 17‑Dec-55. Underframes used in
construction of new 4 EPB vehicles: 8061 for 14422 (unit no.5211) Mar‑56,
8062 for 14425 and 9247 for 15391 (both 5213) Mar‑56, 9424 for 15390 (unit
no.5212) Mar‑56. |
|
4205 |
Unit commenced service 11-Jul-44. Unit withdrawn 10‑Sep-55 and bodywork broken‑up at
Longhedge by 8‑Oct-55. Underframes used in
construction of new 4 EPB vehicles: 8049 for 14395 (unit no.5198)
Dec-55, 8050 for 14397 (unit no.5199) Dec-55, 9238 for 15329 (unit no.5201)
Jan‑56 and 9422 for 15380 (unit no.5202) Jan‑56. |
|
4206 |
Unit commenced service 18-May-45. Unit withdrawn 7‑Jan‑56 and bodywork broken‑up
at Longhedge by 4‑Feb‑56. Underframes
used in construction of new 4 EPB vehicles: 8091 for 14448 (unit no.5224)
jun‑56, 8092 for 14441 (unit no.5221) May‑56, 9165 for 15423 (unit
no.5235) Sep-56 and 9429 for 15410 (unit no.5222) Jun‑56. |
|
4207 |
Unit commenced service 25-Jul-46. Unit withdrawn 17‑Apr‑54 and bodywork broken‑up
at Lancing? by 8‑May‑54. Underframes used in construction
of new 4 EPB vehicles: 8031 for 14276 (unit no.5138) Oct-54, 8032 for
14281 (unit no.5141) Nov-54, 9236 for 15217 (unit no.5139) Oct-54 and 9419
for 15351 (unit no.5173) Jul-55. |
|
4208 |
Unit commenced service 16-Aug-46. Unit withdrawn 17‑Sep-55 and bodywork broken‑up at
Longhedge by 15‑Oct-55. Underframes used in
construction of new 4 EPB vehicles: 8037 for 14402 (unit no.5201) Jan‑56,
8038 for 14400 (unit no.5200) Dec-55, 9241 for 15332 (unit no.5204) Jan‑56
and 9420 for 15383 (unit no.5205) Jan‑56. |
|
4209 |
Unit commenced service 22-Nov-46. Unit withdrawn 12-Feb‑55 and bodywork broken‑up at
Longhedge by 12‑Mar‑55. Underframes
used in construction of new 4 EPB vehicles: 8067 for 14343 and 9228 for
15300 (both unit no.5172) Jun‑55, 8068 for 14340 (unit no.5170) Jun‑55
and 9425 for 15379 (unit no.5201) Jan‑56. |
|
4210 |
Unit commenced service 6-Feb-47. Unit withdrawn 8‑Oct-55 and bodywork broken‑up at Longhedge by 5‑Nov-55. Underframes used in
construction of new 4 EPB vehicles: 8079 for 14407 (unit no.5204) Jan‑56,
8080 for 14406 (unit no.5203) Jan‑56, 9239 for 15395 (unit no.5207) Feb‑56
and 9427 for 15397 (unit no.5209) Feb‑56. |
|
4211 |
Unit commenced service 12-Nov-47. Unit withdrawn 10‑Jul-54 and bodywork broken‑up at
Lancing? by 7‑Aug-54. Underframes used in construction of new
4 EPB vehicles: 8007 for 14286, 8008 for 14285 and 9297 for 15221 (all unit
no.5143) Nov-54, 9415 for 15269 (unit no.5141) Nov-54. |
|
4212 |
Unit commenced service 12-Nov-47. Unit withdrawn 19‑Mar‑55 and bodywork broken‑up
at Longhedge by 16‑Apr‑55. Underframes
used in construction of new 4 EPB vehicles: 8115 for 14355 and 9233 for
15306 (both unit no.5178) Sep-55, 8116 for 14354 and 9433 for 15355 (both unit
no.5177) Aug-55. |
|
4213 |
Unit commenced service 4-Dec-47. Unit withdrawn 15‑Oct-55 and bodywork broken‑up at
Longhedge by 12‑Nov-55. Underframes used in
construction of new 4 EPB vehicles: 8073 for 14450 (unit no.5225) Jun‑56,
8074 for 14445 (unit no.5223) Jun‑56, 9237 for 15428 (unit no.5240)
Oct-56 and 9426 for 15412 (unit no.5224) Jun‑56. |
|
4214 |
Unit commenced service 31-Dec-47. Unit withdrawn 26‑Mar‑55 and bodywork broken‑up
at Longhedge by 23‑Apr‑55. Underframes
used in construction of new 4 EPB vehicles: 8097 for 14358 and 9430 for
15357 (both 5179) Sep-55, 8098 for 14356 and 9252 for 15356 (both 5178)
Sep-55. |
|
4215 |
Unit commenced service 23-Aug-48. TT 9255 exchanged with TT 10224 (ex.4565) Jul-55, an all‑steel
augmentation trailer seating 120, unit now seating 363 and weighing
140 tons. Unit withdrawn 5‑May‑56 and bodywork of all three
wooden-bodied coaches broken‑up at Longhedge
by 9‑Jun‑56. Underframes used in construction of new 4 EPB vehicles:
8109 for 14473 (unit no.5237) Oct-56, 8110 for 14472 (unit no.5236) Sep-56
and 9432 for 15426 (unit no.5238) Oct-56. Trailer 10224 converted to
EP braking and renumbered 15044 for unit no.5226 Jun-56. |
This batch of units was almost identical to the 4195 ‑ 4215
series, the only difference being that the three-car motor units used in this
batch had a slightly larger saloon in the trailer coach which seated 12 rather
than 10 in the previous batch; these now seated 15 following downgrading.
Similar 11-compartment ex. LSWR coaches from Trailer Sets were used for the
augmentation. Units were again selected for augmentation when due for a body
overhaul and repaint and not in any sort of number order.
These units were formed as follows:
|
|
MBT |
7½ compartments |
Seated 75 |
Weight not known |
|
|
TT |
11-compartments |
Seated 110 |
Weight not known |
|
|
TT |
8-compartments & saloon |
Seated 95 (five compartments
and saloon downgraded firsts) |
Weight not known |
|
|
MBT |
7½ compartments |
Seated 75 |
Weight not known |
Overall these units were 257' 5" long and again had
variable weights due to the underframe differences mentioned with the previous batches,
with most weighing 138 tons 6cwt overall. Thirteen of these units had
the former 12xx unit coaches mounted on the heavier underframes and with
large buffers at cab ends. The overall seating capacity was 355.
Like the previous batches, the Westinghouse 339 motors fitted in
this batch began to be replaced with EE 339 ones from early 1950. These units
survived in traffic until withdrawn between 1954 and 1956 and all had their
bodies scrapped at either Longhedge or Lancing
shortly after withdrawal and underframes recovered for use in the 4 EPB
building programme.
Unit formations were as follows with the date of formation shown
below the unit number, and the number of the vehicles' original unit shown in
brackets below. Units with the three former 12xx unit vehicles mounted
on the heavier underframes are marked with a + after the unit number, whilst
coaches that were flush‑panelled during rebuilding are marked with ‘*’
after the coach number.
|
Unit |
MBT |
TT |
TT |
MBT |
Withdrawn |
|
Diag. No. |
676 |
742 |
771 |
676 |
|
|
4216 |
8052 |
9235 |
9359 |
8051 |
24-Jul-54 |
|
4217 |
8094 |
9211 |
|
8093 |
16-Jul-55 |
|
4218 |
8010 |
9231 |
|
8009 |
31-Jul-54 |
|
4219 |
8088 |
9245 |
9365 |
8087 |
26-Nov-55 |
|
4220 |
8070* |
9242 |
9362* |
8069* |
9-Oct-54 |
|
4221+ |
8082* |
9222 |
9364* |
8081* |
24-Dec-55 |
|
4222+ |
8124 |
9220 |
9371 |
8123 |
8-Nov-47 |
|
4223+ |
8040* |
9219 |
9357* |
8039* |
1-Jan-55 |
|
4224+ |
|
9249 |
9361 |
8063 |
1-May-54 |
|
4225+ |
8106* |
9161 |
9368* |
8105* |
22-May-54 |
|
4226+ |
8021* |
9229 |
9354* |
8022* |
7-May-55 |
|
4227+ |
8118* |
9226 |
9370* |
8117* |
19-Jun-54 |
|
4228+ |
8046* |
9210 |
9358* |
8045* |
9-Apr-55 |
|
4229 |
8034 |
9248 |
9356 |
8033 |
23-Oct-54 |
|
4230+ |
8058* |
9159 |
9360* |
8057* |
16-Oct-54 |
|
4231+ |
8076 |
9225 |
9363 |
8075 |
29-Oct-55 |
|
4232+ |
8028* |
9246 |
9355* |
8027* |
1-Oct-55 |
|
4233+ |
8100 |
9221 |
9367 |
8099 |
19-Apr-52 |
|
4234+ |
8112* |
9224 |
9369* |
8111* |
30-Apr-55 |
|
Notes: |
|||||
|
17
= 8-compt. MBT. Diagram 685. |
|||||
Individual Unit Notes
(Nos.4216- 4234)
|
4216 |
Unit commenced service 28-Jan-43. Unit withdrawn 24‑Jul-54 and bodywork broken‑up at
Lancing? by 21‑Aug-54. Underframes used in construction of new
4 EPB vehicles: 8051 for 14289 and 8052 for 14290 (both 5145) Dec-54,
9235 for 15220 and 9359 for 15270 (both 5142) Nov-54. |
|
4217 |
Unit commenced service 28-May-43. TT 9366 exchanged with 9352 (ex.4218) 1951 (reason unknown).
Unit withdrawn 16‑Jul-55 and bodywork broken‑up at Longhedge by 15‑Aug-55. Underframes used in
construction of new 4 EPB vehicles: 8093 for 14380 (unit no.5190)
Nov-55, 8094 for 14383 (unit no.5192) Nov-55, 9211 for 15322 (unit no.5194)
Dec-55 and 9352 for 15373 (unit no.5195) Dec-55. |
|
4218 |
Unit commenced service 27-Sep-43. TT 9352 exchanged with 9366 (ex.4217) 1951 (reason
unknown). Unit withdrawn 31‑Jul-54 and bodywork broken‑up at Longhedge by 28‑Aug-54. Underframes used in
construction of new 4 EPB vehicles: 8009 for 14295 (unit no.5148)
Dec-54, 8010 for 14293 (unit no.5147) Dec-54, 9231 for 15223 (unit no.5145)
Dec-54 and 9366 for 15272 (unit no.5144) Nov-54. |
|
4219 |
Unit commenced service 10-Oct-43. Unit withdrawn 26‑Nov-55 and bodywork broken‑up at
Longhedge by 24‑Dec-55. Underframes used in
construction of new 4 EPB vehicles: 8087 for 14427 and 8088 for 14428
(both 5214) Mar-56, 9245 for 15443 (unit no.5255) Feb-57 and 9365 for 15406 (unit
no.5218) Apr-56. |
|
4220 |
Unit commenced service 19-Oct-43. Unit withdrawn 9‑Oct-54 and bodywork broken‑up at Longhedge by 6‑Nov-54. Underframes used in
construction of new 4 EPB vehicles: 8069 for 14313 and 9362 for 15335
(both 5157) Mar-55, 8070 for 14311 and 9242 for 15284 (both 5156) Feb-55. |
|
4221 |
Unit commenced service 25-Oct-43. Unit withdrawn 24‑Dec-55 and bodywork broken‑up at
Longhedge by 21‑Jan-56. Underframes used in
construction of new 4 EPB vehicles: 8081 for 14440 and 9364 for 15408
(both 5220) May-56, 8082 for 14438 (unit no.5219) May-56 and 9222 for 15433 (unit
no.5245) Nov-56. |
|
4222 |
Unit commenced service 29-Nov-43. Unit in collision with 4406 at Motspur Park
5.50pm 6‑Nov-47 and MBT 8124 and TT 9371 both badly damaged, bodies
broken‑up on site and withdrawn 8‑Nov-47. Unit 4228 was also
involved. The 4.45pm Holmwood to Waterloo
(running twenty-three minutes late) passed the Motspur
Park Up Main (Leatherhead line) outer home signal (no.13) at danger having
been given a clear handsignal to do so by the fogsignalman. After travelling 300 yards it collided with
the 5.16pm Waterloo to Chessington (running twelve minutes late) which was
crossing its path under clear signals. Both trains were formed of two
four-coach electric units. The leading coach of the Waterloo train struck the
second coach of the Chessington train a few feet from its trailing end, but
the full force of the impact was taken by the next coach in rear. This coach
and the leading coach of the Waterloo train were overturned on their right-hand
sides away from each other and the following coach of each train was
partially overturned to the right. In total four coaches were derailed;
the two leading coaches of the Chessington train broke away from the remained
and ran forward for about 87 yards. It would appear the derailed coaches
comprised the leading pair of the Waterloo train and 3rd and 4th
of the Chessington train. The leading coach of the Waterloo train was
destroyed. Three passengers lost their lives and
a Motorman travelling passenger also succumbed to his injuries; all being in
the leading motor coach of the Waterloo train. Eight passengers were detained
in hospital and another ninety-two suffered minor injuries or shock. Unit disbanded and MBT 8123 and TT 9220 both temporarily to
4406 until Jul-48 then MBT 8123 to 4224 cJul-48, TT 9220 to 4242 from Jul-48.
Underframes of 8124 and 9371 later cut‑up at Lancing 10‑Jan-48. |
|
4223 |
Unit commenced service 21-Dec-43. Unit withdrawn 1‑Jan-55 and bodywork broken‑up at Longhedge by 29‑Jan-55. Underframes used in
construction of new 4 EPB vehicles: 8039 for 14335 (unit no.5168)
May-55, 8040 for 14333, 9219 for 15295 and 9357 for 15345 (all 5167) May-55. |
|
4224 |
Unit commenced service 10-Feb-44. MBT 8064 damaged in collision with locomotive at Dartford 14‑Jun-48
and withdrawn, scrapped on site 23‑Jun-48. Replaced from Jun-48 by 8123
ex.4222 via 4406. Unit withdrawn 1‑May-54 and bodywork broken‑up at
Lancing? by 29‑May-54. Underframes used in construction of new
4 EPB vehicles: 8063 for 14265 (unit no.5133) Sep-54, 8123 for 14267 (unit
no.5134) Sep-54, 9249 for 15208 (unit no.5130) Aug-54 and 9361 for 15259 (unit
no.5131) Sep-54. |
|
4225 |
Unit commenced service 23-Feb-44. Unit withdrawn 22‑May-54 and MBT 8106 to 4520, remaining
coaches had bodies broken‑up at Lancing? by 19‑Jun-54 and
underframes used in construction of new 4 EPB vehicles: 8105 for 14272 (unit
no.5136) Oct-54, 9161 for 15212 (unit no.5134) Sep-54 and 9368 for 15263 (unit
no.5135) Sep-54. |
|
4226 |
Unit commenced service 24-May-44. Unit withdrawn 7‑May-55 and bodywork broken‑up at Longhedge by 4‑Jun-55. Underframes used in
construction of new 4 EPB vehicles: 8021 for 14447 (unit no.5224)
Jun-56, 8022 for 14367 (unit no.5184) Oct-55, 9229 for 15318 (unit no.5190)
Nov-55 and 9354 for 15363 (unit no.5185) Oct-55. |
|
4227 |
Unit commenced service 5-Dec-44. Unit withdrawn 19‑Jun-54 and bodywork broken‑up at
Lancing? by 17‑Jul-54. Underframes used in construction of new
4 EPB vehicles: 8117 for 14332, 9226 for 15294 and 9370 for 15344 (all unit
no.5166) May-55, 8118 for 14336 (unit no.5168) May-55. |
|
4228 |
Unit commenced service 24-Oct-46. Unit involved in Motspur Park
collision 5.50pm 6‑Nov-47 (units nos.4222 & 4406 collided) and MBT
8046 damaged and exchanged with 8-compartment 8005 (ex.4169), this coach had
small buffers. Unit now seated three-hundred & sixty and weighed
138½ tons. The 4.45pm Holmwood to Waterloo
(running twenty-three minutes late) passed the Motspur
Park Up Main (Leatherhead line) outer home signal (no.13) at danger having
been given a clear handsignal to do so by the fogsignalman. After travelling 300 yards it collided with
the 5.16pm Waterloo to Chessington (running twelve minutes late) which was
crossing its path under clear signals. Both trains were formed of two
four-coach electric units. The leading coach of the Waterloo train struck the
second coach of the Chessington train a few feet from its trailing end, but
the full force of the impact was taken by the next coach in rear. This coach
and the leading coach of the Waterloo train were overturned on their right-hand
sides away from each other and the following coach of each train was
partially overturned to the right. In total four coaches were derailed;
the two leading coaches of the Chessington train broke away from the remained
and ran forward for about 87 yards. It would appear the derailed coaches
comprised the leading pair of the Waterloo train and 3rd and 4th
of the Chessington train. The leading coach of the Waterloo train was
destroyed. Three passengers lost their lives and
a Motorman travelling passenger also succumbed to his injuries; all being in
the leading motor coach of the Waterloo train. Eight passengers were detained
in hospital and another ninety-two suffered minor injuries or shock. Unit withdrawn 9‑Apr-55 and bodywork broken‑up at Longhedge by 7‑May-55. Underframes used in
construction of new 4 EPB vehicles: 8005 for 14409 (unit no.5205)
Jan-56, 8045 for 14408 (unit no.5204) Jan-56, 9210 for 15385 (unit no.5207)
Feb-56 and 9358 for 15388 (unit no.5210) Mar-56. |
|
4229 |
Unit commenced service 2-Oct-46. Unit withdrawn 23‑Oct-54 and bodywork broken‑up at
Longhedge by 20‑Nov-54. Underframes used in
construction of new 4 EPB vehicles: 8033 for 14315 (unit no.5158)
Mar-55, 8034 for 14312 (unit no.5156) Feb-55, 9248 for 15233 and 9356 for
15283 (both 5155) Feb-55. |
|
4230 |
Unit commenced service 29-Jul-47. Unit withdrawn 16‑Oct-54 and bodywork broken‑up at
Longhedge by 13‑Nov-54. Underframes used in
construction of new 4 EPB vehicles: 8057 for 14310 (unit no.5155)
Feb-55, 8058 for 14308, 9159 for 15232 and 9360 for 15282 (all 5154) Feb-55. |
|
4231 |
Unit commenced service 29-Dec-47. Unit withdrawn 29‑Oct-55 and bodywork broken‑up at
Longhedge by 26‑Nov-55. Underframes used in
construction of new 4 EPB vehicles: 8075 for 14451 (unit no.5226)
Jul-56, 8076 for 14453 (unit no.5227) Jul-56, 9225 for 15427 (unit no.5239)
Oct-56 and 9363 for 15392 (unit no.5214) Mar-56. |
|
4232 |
Unit commenced service 31-Dec-47. Unit withdrawn 1‑Oct-55 and bodywork broken‑up at Longhedge by 29‑Oct-55. Underframes used in
construction of new 4 EPB vehicles: 8027 for 14405 (unit no.5203)
Jan-56, 8028 for 14410 (unit no.5205) Jan-56, 9246 for 15384 and 9355 for
15394 (both 5206) Feb-56. |
|
4233 |
Unit commenced service 22-Mar-48. Unit damaged (where?) and disbanded 19‑Apr-52,
MBT 8100 scrapped at Eastleigh c31‑Jul-52 and bodywork of TT 9221
also scrapped there and underframe used in construction of new 4 EPB
vehicle 15387 (unit no.5209) Feb-56. TT 9367 to 4594 from Sep-52, MBT 8099 to
4316 from Oct-52. |
|
4234 |
Unit commenced service 11-May-48. Unit withdrawn 30‑Apr-55 and bodywork broken‑up at
Longhedge by 21‑May-55. Underframes used in
construction of new 4 EPB vehicles: 8111 for 14361, 9224 for 15309 and
9369 for 15359 (all 5181) Sep-55, 8112 for 14359 (unit no.5180) Sep-55. |
This batch of augmented units utilised the remaining
11-compartment Trailer Thirds from disbanded trailer sets from the 1121 ‑ 1167
batch also unit 1194, which had also been used previously to augment units
4216 ‑ 4234 from the ex. LSWR units of 1915 and rebuilt from
1934. These coaches had been converted to electric trailer coaches in 1928/29
and consisted of 11-compartments seating 110 and weighing
26 tons 6cwt. Similar modifications to buffing and jumper cables were
required to enable them to be used intermediately within motor units, altering
their Diagram Numbers from 727 to 742 upon conversion.
These coaches were then used from mid-1948 until mid-1949 to
augment the remaining ex. LSWR bodied 1928 conversions from the 1658 ‑ 1701
batch, twenty-two of these having been previously dealt with by the addition of
a 10-compartment trailer and becoming 4 SUB units 4172 ‑ 4195.
These units were formed as follows:
|
|
MBT |
8-compartments |
Seated 80 |
Weight 39 tons 14cwt |
|
|
TT |
11-compartments |
Seated 110 |
Weight 26 tons 6 cwt |
|
|
TT |
10-compartments |
Seated 100 |
Weight 27 tons 12 cwt |
|
|
MBT |
7-compartments |
Seated 70 |
Weight 39 tons 12 cwt |
The 10-compartment TT and 7-compartment MBT both had downgraded
former first-class compartments, now each seating five-aside, five in the TT
and two in the MBT being marshalled together. Overall these units seated 360
third, were 257' 5" long and weighed about 133 tons 6cwt.
Unit 1695 had a non-standard formation with a 10-compartment TT
with only four former first class compartments, though this was later exchanged
with a 10-compartment coach with the standard five downgraded firsts, whilst
the 7-compartment MBT had originally had one additional compartment fitted out
as first class, this unit was now standard following downgrading and it took
the lowest number, 4235.
Units 4249 and 4250 were also non-standard as the augmentation
coach was another 10-compartment coach seating 100, these two units being
identical to the 4172 ‑ 4195 batch and seating 350, presumably
taking these two numbers as the next lowest vacant ones available. The last
unit of this batch, 4250 was also the second unit to carry this number. Unit
4246 contained a ‘wedge end’ MBT after an earlier reformation.
With the exception of 4235, all this batch were augmented
following Nationalisation and appeared in early British Railways style livery,
some with an ‘S’ prefix to the unit number. These units began to be withdrawn
during 1953; the last just seeing service in 1955. All vehicles were sent for
breaking‑up of bodies at either Longhedge or
Lancing shortly after withdrawal, their underframes then being recovered for
further use in the 4 EPB building programme.
Unit formations were as follows with the
date of formation shown below the unit number, and the number of the vehicles'
original unit shown in brackets below.
|
Unit |
MBT |
TT |
TT |
MBT |
Withdrawn |
|
Diag. No. |
671 |
742 |
760 |
697 |
|
|
4235 |
8216 |
9218 |
|
8830 |
15-Aug-53 |
|
Diag. No. |
671 |
742 |
759 |
691 |
|
|
4236 |
8207 |
9212 |
9335 |
8821 |
6-Feb-54 |
|
4237 |
8210 |
9234 |
9338 |
8824 |
19-Sep-53 |
|
4238 |
8220 |
9223 |
9348 |
8834 |
18-Sep-54 |
|
Diag. No. |
671 |
742 |
759 |
697 |
|
|
4239 |
8209 |
9253 |
9337 |
9809 |
5-Jun-54 |
|
Diag. No. |
671 |
742 |
759 |
691 |
|
|
4240 |
8219 |
9209 |
9347 |
8833 |
24-Oct-53 |
|
4241 |
8221 |
9230 |
9349 |
8835 |
1-Aug-53 |
|
4242 |
8202 |
9220 |
9330 |
8816 |
19-Dec-53 |
|
4243 |
8212 |
9167 |
9340 |
8826 |
22-Aug-53 |
|
4244 |
8214 |
9244 |
9342 |
|
5-Dec-53 |
|
4245 |
8208 |
9216 |
9336 |
8822 |
3-Apr-54 |
|
Diag. No. |
671 |
742 |
759 |
698 |
|
|
4246 |
8218 |
9250 |
9346 |
877920 |
17-Oct-53 |
|
Diag. No. |
671 |
742 |
759 |
691 |
|
|
4247 |
8215 |
9243 |
9343 |
8829 |
4-Dec-54 |
|
4248 |
8211 |
9240 |
9339 |
8825 |
14-Nov-53 |
|
|
|
|
(10-comp.) |
|
|
|
Diag. No. |
671 |
742 |
760 |
697 |
|
|
4249 |
8190 |
9197 |
9318 |
8804 |
5-Sep-53 |
|
Diag. No. |
671 |
740 |
760 |
697 |
|
|
4250 (2) |
8199 |
9299 |
9327 |
8813 |
15-Jan-55 |
|
Notes: |
|||||
|
18 = 10-compt. Diagram
769. |
20 = MBT original ex-LSWR
conversion with ‘wedge-end’ cab. |
||||
Individual Unit Notes
(Nos.4235- 4250)
|
4235 |
Unit commenced service 1-Sep-47. 10-compt. TT 9344 exchanged with 9376 (ex.4154) (date
unknown) and unit now weighed 134 tons 6cwt. Unit withdrawn 15-Aug-53
and bodywork broken‑up at Lancing? by 5-Sep-53. Underframes used
in construction of new 4 EPB vehicles: 8216 for 14222 (unit no.5111) Mar‑54,
8830 for 14214 (unit no.5107) Mar‑54, 9218 for 15186 and 9376 for 15236
(both 5108) Mar‑54. |
|
4236 |
Unit commenced service 23-Mar-48. Unit withdrawn 6-Feb-54 and bodywork broken‑up at
Lancing? by 6‑Mar‑54. Underframes used in construction of new
4 EPB vehicles: 8207 for 14252 (unit no.5126) Jul‑54, 8821 for
14255 (unit no.5128) Aug‑54, 9212 for 15203 (unit no.5125) Jul‑54
and 9335 for 15255 (unit no.5127) Aug‑54. |
|
4237 |
Unit commenced service 24-Mar-48. Unit withdrawn 19‑Sep‑53 and bodywork broken‑up
at Lancing? by 10‑Oct‑53. Underframes used in construction
of new 4 EPB vehicles: 8210 for 14244 (unit no.5122) Jun‑54, 8824
for 14246 (unit no.5123) Jun‑54, 9234 for 15222 (unit no.5144) Nov‑54
and 9338 for 15175 (unit no.5050) Feb‑54. |
|
4238 |
Unit commenced service 30-Mar-48. Unit withdrawn 18‑Sep‑54 and bodywork broken‑up
at Longhedge by 16‑Oct‑54. Underframes
used in construction of new 4 EPB vehicles: 8220 for 14302 (unit no.5151)
Jan‑55, 8834 for 14300 and 9223 for 15228 (both 5150) Jan‑55 and
9348 for 15281 (unit no.5153) Feb‑55. |
|
4239 |
Unit commenced service 1-Apr-48. Unit withdrawn 5‑Jun‑54 and bodywork broken‑up
at Lancing? by 3‑Jul‑54. Underframes used in construction
of new 4 EPB vehicles: 8209 for 14331 (unit no.5166) May‑55, 9253
for 15293 (unit no.5165) May‑55, 9337 for 15214 (unit no.5136) Oct‑54
and 9809 for 14334 (unit no.5167) May‑55. |
|
4240 |
Unit commenced service 27-May-48. Unit withdrawn 24-Oct-53 and bodywork broken‑up at
Lancing? by 21‑Nov‑53. Underframes used in construction of
new 4 EPB vehicles: 8219 for 14228 (unit no.5114) Apr‑54, 8833 for
14213, 9209 for 15185 and 9347 for 15235 (all 5107) Mar‑54. |
|
4241 |
Unit commenced service 17-Jun-48. Unit withdrawn 1‑Aug‑53 and bodywork broken‑up
at Lancing? by 29‑Aug‑53. Underframes used in construction
of new 4 EPB vehicles: 8221 for 14418 (unit no.5209) Feb‑56, 8835
for 14241 (unit no.5121) Jun‑54, 9230 for 15181 (unit no.5103) Jan‑54
and 9349 for 15154 (unit no.5101) Dec‑53. |
|
4242 |
Unit commenced service 8-Oct-48. Unit augmented with TT 9220 ex. withdrawn 4222 and via
4406. Unit withdrawn 19‑Dec‑53 and bodywork broken‑up at
Lancing? by 16‑Jan‑54. Underframes used in construction of
new 4 EPB vehicles: 8202 for 14236 (unit no.5118) May‑54, 8816 for
14243 (unit no.5122) Jun‑54, 9220 for 15211 (unit no.5133) Sep‑54
and 9330 for 15262 (unit no.5134) Sep‑54. |
|
4243 |
Unit commenced service 19-Oct-48. Unit withdrawn 22‑Aug‑53 and bodywork broken‑up
at Lancing? by 19‑Sep‑53. Underframes used in construction
of new 4 EPB vehicles: 8212 for 14106, 8826 for 14105, 9167 for 15178
and 9340 for 15153 (all 5053) Mar‑54. |
|
4244 |
Unit commenced service 20-Oct-48. MBT 8828 damaged c.Mar-51 (where?) and exchanged with
8579 (ex.4593), an 8-compartment coach seating 80, overall unit total now
370. Unit withdrawn 5‑Dec‑53 and bodywork broken‑up at
Lancing? by 2‑Jan‑54. Underframes used in construction of new
4 EPB vehicles: 8214 for 14237 (unit no.5119) May‑54, 8579 for
14235 (unit no.5118) May‑54, 9244 for 15194 (unit no.5116) Apr‑54
and 9342 for 15245 (unit no.5117) May‑54. |
|
4245 |
Unit commenced service 29-Sep-48. Unit withdrawn 3‑Apr‑54 and bodywork broken‑up
at Lancing? by 1‑May‑54. Underframes used in construction
of new 4 EPB vehicles: 8208 for 14268 (unit no.5134) Sep‑54, 8822
for 14261 (unit no.5131) Sep‑54, 9216 for 15206 (unit no.5128) Aug‑54
and 9336 for 15258 (unit no.5130) Aug‑54. |
|
4246 |
Unit commenced service 15-Nov-48. Unit non-standard as MBT 8779 from the original ‘1915’ batch
of units with ‘wedge-end’ cab and weighed 135 tons 2cwt. Unit
withdrawn 17‑Oct‑53 and bodywork broken‑up at Lancing?
by 14‑Nov‑53. Underframes used in construction of new 4 EPB
vehicles: 8218 for 14238 (unit no.5119) May‑54, 8779 for 14275 (unit
no.5138) Oct‑54, 9250 for 15196 and 9346 for 15246 (both 5118) May‑54. |
|
4247 |
Unit commenced service 16-Dec-48. Unit withdrawn 4‑Dec‑54 and bodywork broken‑up
at Longhedge by 1‑Jan‑55. Underframes
used in construction of new 4 EPB vehicles: 8215 for 14324, 9243 for
15290 and 9343 for 15340 (all 5162) Apr-55, 8829 for 14326 (unit no.5163) Apr‑55. |
|
4248 |
Unit commenced service 10-Jan-49. Unit withdrawn 14‑Nov‑53 and bodywork broken‑up
at Lancing? by 12‑Dec‑53. Underframes used in construction
of new 4 EPB vehicles: 8211 for 14219 (unit no.5110) Mar‑54, 8825
for 14217, 9240 for 15187 and 9339 for 15237 (all 5109) Mar‑54. |
|
4249 |
Unit commenced service 10-May-49. Unit withdrawn 5‑Sep‑53 and bodywork broken‑up
at Lancing? by 3-Oct-53. Underframes used in construction of new
4 EPB vehicles: 8190 for 14210 (unit no.5105) Feb‑54, 8804 for
14212 (unit no.5106) Feb‑54, 9197 for 15182 and 9318 for 15157 (both
5104) Jan‑54. |
|
4250 |
Unit commenced service ?-Apr-49. Unit withdrawn 15‑Jan‑55 and bodywork broken‑up
at Longhedge by 12‑Feb‑55. Underframes
used in construction of new 4 EPB vehicles: 8199 for 14339, 9299 for
15298 and 9327 for 15348 (all 5170) Jun-55, 8813 for 14357 (unit no.5179) Sep‑55. This was the second unit
to carry this number being formed in Apr-49. A previous unit no.4250 carried
the number 4250 from Aug-43 to Nov-47. |
This small
batch of units were formed from vehicles taken from war‑damaged or
accident damaged 3 car motor units and formed into four coach units. No
additional vehicles taken from Trailer Sets were involved. The first was formed
during mid-1943 and the last was not made up until early in 1948. Due to the
differing origins of the vehicles these units did not have a standard weight or
seating capacities, though all were 257' 5" long overall. With the
exception of the last unit formed which had two 8-compartment MBTs, all were
formed with one 8-compartment MBT and one 7-compartment MBT and two
intermediate trailers, both of which contained some downgraded first-class
compartments and some had 9 and others 10-compartments.
The seating
capacities of these units varied, and it is not clear whether quoted capacities
included the former first-class accommodation as seating four aside as
designed, or whether the armrests were removed or sewn‑up and this
seating was now classified as five aside. Both capacities are quoted
below, with the five aside figure in italics.
The Diagram
Nos. of some of the trailers were altered when these units were formed as a
result of alterations to their buffing arrangement, the TT of a three-coach
motor unit which was fitted with centre-buffer and three-link chain couplings
having a centre-buffer at each end. However, one now required a rubbing plate
at one end.
Two of this
small batch were withdrawn in March 1950 (these two being the last running with
former LBSCR ex. steam stock bodies) and their underframes used in construction
of new 4 SUB vehicles, whilst a further three were withdrawn for scrapping
in 1953 and one further in 1956, their underframes being used in the
construction of new 4 EPB vehicles. The remaining unit was then renumbered
as 4518 late in 1956.
Unit 4250 formed by August 1943 consisted of ex. LBSCR conversion
unit 1709 augmented with the trailer of similar unit 1722, withdrawn following
war damage at Charing Cross. Overall unit weighed 129 tons 12cwt
and seated 328, (350). All these coaches were mounted onto standard
underframes.
This unit was
formed thus:
|
|
MBT |
8-compartments |
Seated 80 |
Weight 38 tons 19cwt |
|
|
TT |
10-compartments |
Seated 92 (This was the augmentation vehicle with four
compartments at one end downgraded firsts) |
Weight 25 tons 7cwt |
|
|
TT |
10-compartments |
Seated 92 (Four compartments at one end downgraded firsts) |
Weight 26 tons 7cwt |
|
|
MBT |
7-compartments |
Seated 64 (Three compartments at non-driving end downgraded
firsts) |
Weight 38 tons 19cwt |
Unit 4251 was formed March 1944 with 3 coach unit 1736 augmented
with a further identical trailer from unit 1741 disbanded after enemy action
damage at Slades Green. The motorcoaches had
identical seating capacities to those in unit 4250 and both trailers in this
unit were 10-compartment vehicles with four downgraded firsts in each. Overall,
this unit weighed 129 tons 12cwt and seated 328 (350). All
these coaches were mounted on lengthened former AC underframes. The augmenting
TT had its Diagram No. altered from 761 to 773.
Unit 4252 was formed February 1945 and was similar to 4251 with 3
car motor unit no.1761 being augmented with the trailer from war damaged 1728
at Walworth. Again the augmenting TT had a revised Diagram No.
Unit 4253 was formed July 1945 and all four vehicles were ex. LSWR
bodies mounted on standard underframes. Two vehicles came from each of units
1667 and 1774, the first having lost a motorcoach in a collision at Caterham in
June 1945 whilst 1774 donated its ex. SECR motorcoach, gained after war damage,
back to the ex. SECR bodied unit 1404 which had collided with 1667 at Caterham.
Overall this unit seated 328 (350) and weighed 133 tons.
Unit 4253
consisted of:
|
|
MBT |
8-compartments |
Seated 80 |
Weight 39 tons 14cwt |
|
|
TT |
10-compartments |
Seated 92 (Four compartments downgraded firsts) |
Weight 26 tons |
|
|
TT |
10-compartments |
Seated 92 (Five compartments downgraded firsts) |
Weight 27 tons 12cwt |
|
|
MBT |
7-compartments |
Seated 66 (Two compartments downgraded firsts) |
Weight 39 tons 14cwt |
Unit 4254 was formed in October 1946 with two ex. SECR conversions
from unit 1474 and two ex. LBSCR conversions from unit 1730, both these units
having lost a motorcoach following a collision between them at Beckenham on 23rd
October 1946. The two ex. SECR conversions were on Ashford built standard
underframes, those of the ex. LBSCR vehicles on lengthened AC underframes.
Overall this unit seated 312 (340) and weighed 133 tons 6cwt.
This unit
consisted of:
|
|
MBT |
8-compartments |
Seated 80 |
Weight 41 tons |
|
|
TT |
9-compartments |
Seated 76 (Seven downgraded firsts with one original third
each end) |
Weight 27 tons 10cwt |
|
|
TT |
10-compartments |
Seated 92 (Four downgraded firsts at one end) |
Weight 25 tons 7cwt |
|
|
MBT |
7-compartments |
Seated 64 (Three downgraded firsts at non-driving end) |
Weight 39 tons 9cwt |
Unit 4255 was formed April 1947 from four ex. LSWR conversions of
1928, all from the 1658 ‑ 1701 batch of units, two coming from
1701 collision damaged in December 1946, the other two coaches coming from 1673
which was disbanded also after collision damage December 1946 and donated a
motorcoach to 4 SUB 4161 damaged in a collision at Strood. All four vehicles
were on standard underframes. Overall this
unit seated 326 (350) and weighed 134 tons 12cwt.
The unit
consisted of:
|
|
MBT |
8-compartments |
Seated 80 |
Weight 39 tons 14cwt |
|
|
TT |
10-compartments |
Seated 90 (Five compartments at one end downgraded firsts) |
Weight 27 tons 12cwt |
|
|
TT |
10-compartments |
Seated 90 (Five compartments at one end downgraded firsts) |
Weight 27 tons 12cwt |
|
|
MBT |
7-compartments |
Seated 66 (Two compartments at non-driving end downgraded
firsts) |
Weight 39 tons 14cwt |
Unit 4256 was formed March 1948 using 3 car ex. LBSCR conversion
1703 augmented by an ex. SECR coach displaced from already augmented 4 SUB unit
4442 (1) which was damaged in a collision at Crayford Feb-48 and disbanded.
Unit had three standard and one Ashford underframe. Overall this unit seated
312 (340) and weighed 131¾ tons.
This unit
consisted of:
|
|
MBT |
8-compartments |
Seated 80 |
Weight 38 tons 19cwt |
|
|
TT |
9-compartments |
Seated 76 (Seven downgraded firsts with one original third at
each end) |
Weight 27 tons 10cwt |
|
|
TT |
10-compartments |
Seated 92 (Four downgraded firsts at one end) |
Weight 26 tons 7cwt |
|
|
MBT |
7-compartments |
Seated 64 (Three downgraded firsts at non driving end) |
Weight 39 tons 19cwt |
Unit 4257 was formed March 1948 using 3 car ex. LBSCR conversion
1649 augmented by an ex. LBSCR coach displaced from already augmented 4 SUB
4607 which was damaged in a collision at Crayford February 1948 and disbanded.
All four coaches were on standard underframes. Overall this unit seated 312 (340)
and weighed 130 tons 13cwt.
This unit
consisted of:
|
|
MBT |
8-compartments |
Seated 80 |
Weight 38 tons 19cwt |
|
|
TT |
9-compartments |
Seated 76 (Seven downgraded firsts) |
Weight 26 tons 7cwt |
|
|
TT |
9-compartments |
Seated 76 (Seven downgraded firsts) |
Weight 26 tons 8cwt |
|
|
MBT |
8-compartments |
Seated 80 |
Weight 38 tons 19cwt |
|
Unit |
MBT |
TT |
TT |
MBT |
Withdrawn |
|
Diag. No. |
672 |
761 |
763 |
692 |
|
|
4250 |
8678 |
9722 |
9709 |
8844 |
8-Nov-47 |
|
Diag. No. |
678 |
773 |
761 |
694 |
|
|
4251 |
8705* |
9741* |
9736* |
8871* |
Renumbered 4518 (2) 15-Dec-56 |
|
4252 |
8738* |
9728* |
9472* |
8896* |
16-May-53 |
|
Diag. No. |
671 |
760 |
774 |
691 |
|
|
4253 |
8556 |
9650 |
9316 |
8802 |
27-Jun-53 |
|
|
|
(9-comp.) |
|
|
|
|
Diag. No. |
662 |
754 |
773 |
694 |
|
|
4254 |
|
9527# |
9730* |
8865* |
25-Feb-56 |
|
|
|
(10-comp.) |
|
|
|
|
Diag. No. |
671 |
759 |
759 |
691 |
|
|
4255 |
8194 |
9322 |
9350 |
8836 |
27-Jun-53 |
|
|
|
(9-comp.) |
|
|
|
|
Diag. No. |
672 |
755 |
763 |
692 |
|
|
4256 |
8672 |
9505# |
9703 |
8838 |
18-Mar-50 |
|
|
|
|
(9-comp.) |
(8-comp.) |
|
|
Diag. No. |
673 |
762 |
762 |
673 |
|
|
4257 |
8653 |
9693 |
9670 |
8654 |
11-Mar-50 |
|
Notes: |
|||||
|
21 = Ex. 2 NOL 7½ Compt MBT, Diagram 686. |
*
Coaches on lengthened ‘AC’ underframes #
Coaches on Ashford underframes |
||||
Individual Unit Notes
(No.4250- 4257)
|
4250 |
Unit commenced service 19-Aug-43. Unit in collision with steam hauled passenger train hauled by
locomotive 1901 at Herne Hill 6-Nov-47 and MBT 8678 and TT 9722 both
badly damaged and withdrawn 8-Nov-47, being broken-up on site. Unit disbanded
and bodies of other two coaches also later broken-up, damaged TT 9709 at
Coulsdon North Dec-47 and MBT 8844 at Lancing 20-Mar-48. Both their
underframes used in construction of new 4 SUB vehicles: 9709 for 12363 (unit
no.4623) May-49 and 8844 for 11382 (unit no.4661) Feb-50. This was the first unit
to carry this number from Aug-43 to Nov-47. A second unit carried number 4250
from Apr-49 to Jan-55. |
|
4251 |
Unit commenced service 4-Apr-44. Unit renumbered 4518 (2nd with that number) from 15‑Dec‑56. |
|
4252 |
Unit commenced service 6-Sep-44. Unit withdrawn 16‑May‑53 and both trailers 9472
and 9728 to unit 4134. Both MBTs retained as a ’towing unit’ for use between
Wimbledon Park and Strawberry Hill until Sep‑56. Moved to Hassocks
4‑Oct‑56 en-route to Newhaven for
scrapping. |
|
4253 |
Unit commenced service 17-Jul-45. Unit withdrawn 27‑Jun‑53 and bodywork broken‑up
at Lancing? by 11‑Jul‑53. Underframes used in construction
of new 4 EPB vehicles: 8556 for 14093 (unit no.5047) Dec‑53, 8802
for 14201 (unit no.5101) Dec‑53, 9316 for 15177 (unit no.5052) Mar‑54
and 9650 for 15151 (unit no.5051) Feb‑54. |
|
4254 |
Unit commenced service 28-May-47. MBT 8373 to 4468 Nov‑47 and replaced by 9876, (ex. 1828
via 1799), an ex. 2 NOL MBT with 7½ compartments seating 75. Overall
unit capacity now 307 (or 335 depending on downgraded first configuration)
and unit now weighed 133 tons 12cwt. This made unit unique as the
only one to include coaches from all three pre-grouping companies in its
formation. When unit withdrawn 25‑Feb‑56 it was the last running
with an ex. SECR conversion coach. TT 9730 reformed into unit 4501 (2nd). MBT 8865 (on lengthened AC
frame) not condemned until 25‑Aug‑56 and scrapped at Longhedge 14‑Sep‑56, remaining two coaches
had bodywork broken‑up at Longhedge by 24‑Mar‑56,
and their underframes used in construction of new 4 EPB vehicles: 9527
for 15418 (unit no.5230) Aug‑56 and 9876 for 14488 (unit no.5244) Nov‑56. |
|
4255 |
Unit commenced service 14-Mar-47. Unit withdrawn 27‑Jun‑53 and bodywork broken‑up
at Lancing? by 11‑Jul‑53. Underframes used in construction
of new 4 EPB vehicles: 8194 for 14205 (unit no.5103) Jan‑54, 8836
for 14204 (unit no.5102) Dec‑53, 9322 for 15143 and 9350 for 15168
(both unit no.5043) Nov‑53. |
|
4256 |
Unit commenced service 20-May-48. Unit withdrawn 18‑Mar‑50 and bodywork broken‑up
at Lancing by that date! Underframes used in construction of new 4 SUB
vehicles: 8672 for 12683 (4676) Jun‑50, 8838 for 12681 (unit no.4675)
Jun‑50, 9505 for 8960 (unit no.4680) Jul‑50 and 9703 for 8984 (unit
no.4704) Nov‑50. |
|
4257 |
Unit commenced service 12-Mar-48. Unit withdrawn 12‑Dec-49 and bodywork broken‑up at
Lancing by 11‑Mar‑50. Underframes used in construction of new
4 SUB vehicles outshopped in May‑50: 8653 for 12672 (unit no.4670),
8654 for 12674 (unit no.4671), 9670 for 8952 (unit no.4672) and 9693 for 8951
(unit no.4671). |
This series of
units consisted of the 1925 contractor built ‘Guildford and Dorking’ stock,
augmented with a new augmentation trailer from Eastleigh, mounted on a new
standard 62' 0" underframe from Lancing. These new coaches were to
the new body style of the 4 SUB units with curved bodysides from gutter to
solebar level to give maximum width at waist level and allowing seating to be
six aside in the compartments. They were ordered to HO 1094 which covered all
vehicles, this order being sub-divided into H.O. 1094A for 10346 ‑ 10375,
H.O. 1094B for 10376 ‑ 10390 and H.O. 1094C for
10391 ‑ 10400.
The vehicles
were constructed from large metal pressings, most of which incorporated a
¼ light window at each end, the outer edges of each pressing forming the
door edges of the adjacent doorway each side, with smaller pressings used for
the two panels at each end of the body sides with only one ¼ light window
included. Vehicle ends were also a large pressing with some vertical ribbing to
give added strength. Doors were steel with a curved profile to match the
bodyside shape, each door having a droplight with two small semi-circular air
vents above. The overall width of these vehicles was 9' 0" and they
contrasted with the much flatter sides of the 3 car motor unit vehicles which
were 8' 6" wide.
Each
compartment in the new trailers was 6' 1" in width and with six‑aside
seating seated 12 third class passengers; with ten compartments this gave an
overall seating capacity for the vehicle of 120 third. These vehicles weighed
28 tons and were outshopped in numerical order, the next available being used
for whichever unit was due for revarnishing and augmentation.
As the
augmentation of the 1496 ‑ 1524 batch was taking place
simultaneously, the coaches from this first batch of augmentation trailers,
10346 ‑ 10400 were used in both batches of units. A major
change in procedures at Eastleigh during 1946 saw the construction of new
vehicles altered to include steel roofs, which up to this point had been of
canvas covered timber construction. This change took place during the
construction of the augmentation trailers of this batch, and only the last ten
built had steel roofs; only one of these vehicles finding its way into the
augmented units of this batch.
The 3 car motor
units used for this batch had many non‑standard features being contractor
built; the principle one being that they were built on underframes which were
shorter than normal and had one less compartment per vehicle as a consequence.
They were wider at 8’ 6” than the usual 8’ 0” body width and also had
a round buffers and a slightly different buffer height and had the distinctive
‘wedge ended’ cab design of the original LSWR stock of 1915.
Units were
selected for augmentation as they became due for revarnishing from mid-1945,
all being done by February 1946. They were renumbered in a new series from 4300
upwards to 4325 taking account of their original order, but as the next
available augmentation trailer was used, these new coaches did not go into
units in numerical order.
As reformed,
units 4300 ‑ 4325 consisted of a 7-compartment MBT at each end
seating 70 and weighing 39 tons 6cwt, an original trailer with 9-compartments
(layout one third, six downgraded firsts and two thirds), with all compartments
now seating five aside giving a total of 90 and weighing 27 tons 1cwt and
the new trailer with 120 seats in 10-compartments and weighing 28 tons. Overall
length of these units was 245' 0" and they weighed 133
tons 13cwt and seated 350 third.
These units
retained their ‘Central’ type motorbogies with MV339
motors when augmented, thought the motors were progressively replaced by the EE
339 variety during the early 1950s during routine running gear overhauls at Slades Green (Slade Green from 21st
September 1953). They were reclassified as Second Class only from 3rd June
1956, the vehicles then being classified as MBS and TS.
These units
were withdrawn between 1960 and early 1962 when replaced by a batch of new BR
type 4 EPB units and sent to Newhaven for scrapping shortly after
withdrawal following removal of electrical equipment and motors at
Strawberry Hill. The augmentation trailers were usually removed when units
were moved from Strawberry Hill to Newhaven en-route
at Gatwick, these coaches then being moved between Gatwick and Micheldever
between two withdrawn motorcoaches 8420 and 8473, known as ‘4327‘.
Most were
stored for some time at either Micheldever or on the closed Didcot, Newbury and
Southampton (DNS) line near Winchester Junction, but very few of these coaches
saw further service as their wooden roofs made them non-standard, and most were
subsequently also moved to Newhaven for scrapping in 1963/4.
Unit formations
were as follows, the position of the additional trailer is shown in a
consistent position relative to the motorcoaches, but the actual trailers may
well have been transposed. The date of formation is shown beneath the unit
number.
|
Unit |
Old no. |
MBT |
TT |
TT |
MBT |
Withdrawn |
|
|
Diag. No. |
|
661 |
761 |
763 |
692 |
|
|
|
4300 |
1285 |
8127 |
9435 |
10384 |
|
19-Apr-58 |
|
|
4301 |
1286 |
8129 |
9436 |
|
8130 |
17-Dec-60 |
|
|
4302 |
1287 |
8131 |
9437 |
|
8132 |
28-Jan-61 |
|
|
4303 |
1288 |
8133 |
9438 |
10371 |
8134 |
13-Feb-60 |
|
|
4304 |
1289 |
8135 |
9439 |
1039725 |
8136 |
4-Jun-60 |
|
|
4305 |
1290 |
8137 |
9440 |
10382 |
8138 |
27-May-61 |
|
|
4306 |
1291 |
8139 |
9441 |
10388 |
8140 |
9-Apr-60 |
|
|
4307 |
1292 |
8141 |
9442 |
10374 |
|
16-Apr-60 |
|
|
4308 |
1293 |
8143 |
|
10380 |
8144 |
20-Jan-62 |
|
|
4309 |
1294 |
8145 |
|
10369 |
8146 |
2-May-60 |
|
|
4310 |
1295 |
8147 |
9445 |
|
|
14-May-60 |
|
|
4311 |
1296 |
8149 |
9446 |
10379 |
8150 |
8-Apr-61 |
|
|
4312 |
1297 |
8151 |
9447 |
10378 |
8152 |
11-Jun-60 |
|
|
4313 |
1298 |
8153 |
9448 |
|
8154 |
28-May-60 |
|
|
4314 |
1299 |
|
9449 |
10389 |
8156 |
29-Apr-61 |
|
|
Diag. No. |
|
661 |
753 |
2013 |
661 |
|
|
|
4315 |
1300 |
8157 |
9450 |
|
8158 |
19-Nov-60 |
|
|
4316 |
1301 |
|
9451 |
|
8160 |
26-Mar-60 |
|
|
4317 |
1302 |
8161 |
9452 |
10390 |
8162 |
26-Mar-60 |
|
|
4318 |
1303 |
8163 |
9453 |
|
|
30-Jan-60 |
|
|
4319 |
1304 |
8165 |
9454 |
10355 |
8166 |
9-Jul-60 |
|
|
4320 |
1305 |
8167 |
|
10387 |
8168 |
2-Apr-60 |
|
|
4321 |
1306 |
8169 |
9456 |
10385 |
8170 |
2-Jan-60 |
|
|
4322 |
1307 |
8171 |
|
10375 |
8172 |
4-Nov-61 |
|
|
4323 |
1308 |
8173 |
9458 |
10377 |
8174 |
15-Apr-61 |
|
|
4324 |
1309 |
8175 |
|
10386 |
8176 |
4-Nov-61 |
|
|
4325 |
1310 |
8177 |
9460 |
10370 |
|
7-May-60 |
|
|
|
|
|
Notes: |
|
|
|
|
|
30
= 9-compt. ‘short’ TT, Diagram 753. 31
= 7½-Compt. ‘1915’ LSWR coach, Diagram
676. 32
= 10-compt. ‘1915’ LSWR coach, Diagram
769. 33
= 9-compt. TT, Diagram 758. |
34 = 10-compt. augmentation trailer, Diagram
2013. 35 = 10-compt. augmentation trailer, Diagram
2013. 36 = 7-compt.
‘1915’ LSWR coach, Diagram 698. |
||||||
|
Individual Unit Notes |
|
|
4300 |
Unit damaged in sidelong collision with parcels train at
Gloucester Road Jct 4‑Mar-58 and three
coaches badly damaged and unit withdrawn 19‑Apr-58. MBS 8128 stored
under repair until used in 4310 from Nov-58, replaced by 8883 (ex.4506) and
all coaches scrapped at Newhaven May-58. |
|
4301 |
Unit to Strawberry Hill for stripping 13‑Dec-60 and
withdrawn 17‑Dec-60. TS 10383 exchanged with 9457 (ex.4322) and all
coaches scrapped at Newhaven, arriving there 30‑Jan-61. |
|
4302 |
Unit to Strawberry Hill for stripping 1‑Nov-60 and
TS 10381 exchanged with 9597 (ex.4335) and unit withdrawn 28‑Jan-61,
both TSs scrapped at Newhaven, arriving there 28‑Feb-61. Both MBSs 8131
and 8132 retained as depot shunting unit at Wimbledon Park until
c.Nov-61 when scrapped at Newhaven Dec-61 after being used to move damaged
4 LAV trailer 12001 (ex. 2926) from Hassocks. |
|
4303 |
Unit withdrawn 13‑Feb-60 and TS 10371 stored at
Micheldever, remaining three coaches scrapped at Newhaven, arriving there 26‑Feb-60.
TS 10371 also later scrapped there c.Apr-64. |
|
4304 |
Unit only one in batch with steel-roofed augmentation trailer.
Unit withdrawn 4‑Jun-60 and to Strawberry Hill for
stripping 7‑Jun-60. TS 10397 subsequently converted to De-Icing
trailer and renumbered DS 70086. Remaining three coaches scrapped at
Newhaven, arriving there 16‑Jul-60. DS 70086 scrapped Booths
(Rotherham) August 1983. |
|
4305 |
Unit to Strawberry Hill for stripping c.23‑May-61
and withdrawn 27‑May-61. TS 10382 stored at Micheldever, remaining
three coaches scrapped at Newhaven, arriving there Jun-61. TS 10382 also
later scrapped there Jul-63. |
|
4306 |
Unit withdrawn 9‑Apr-60 and to Strawberry Hill for
stripping 26‑Apr-60. TS 10388 subsequently stored at Micheldever,
remaining three coaches scrapped at Newhaven arriving there c.7‑May-60.
TS 10388 also later scrapped there Jan-64. |
|
4307 |
Unit slightly damaged c.Jan-55 (details unknown) and
MBT 8142 temporarilt to unit no.4310 and replaced 8155
(ex.4314). Unit to Strawberry Hill for stripping 13‑Apr-60 and
withdrawn 16‑Apr-60. TS 10374 subsequently stored at Micheldever,
remaining three coaches scrapped at Newhaven May-60. TS 10374 also later
scrapped there Dec-63. |
|
4308 |
Unit withdrawn Nov-60 and TS 9443 exchanged with TS 10357
and unit reinstated Dec-60. TS 10357 was a further wooden roofed augmentation
trailer seating 120 (ex.4315). Overall unit length then increased to
249' 0" and weight to 134 tons 12cwt and unit then seated 380
second. Unit withdrawn 20‑Jan-62 and stored at Micheldever, both TSs
10357 and 10380 then scrapped at Newhaven c.Sep-63. Both MBSs moved to
Eastleigh 28‑Feb-68 thence to Preston Park for storage. MBS 8144 later
scrapped at York though it was partly dismantled for spares at
Preston Park c.Apr-71 (after Dec-77), whilst 8143 claimed as part
of the ‘National Collection’ and stored at Preston Park until 3‑Dec-77
when moved to York National Railway Museum (with remains of 8144) for
restoration to near original condition. Coach subsequently displayed at the
NRM at York, and later, from 2005, at the NRM annex at Shildon. |
|
4309 |
TS 9444 damaged (location unknown) and exchanged with
wooden roofed augmentation trailer 10372 (ex.4310) c.Apr-58, this coach
seating 120, unit then 249' 0" long and weighed 134 tons 12cwt
and seated 380 second. Unit withdrawn 21‑May-60 and to
Strawberry Hill for stripping 24‑May-60. TSs 10369 and 10372 both
subsequently stored at Micheldever. Both MBSs 8145 and 8146 scrapped at
Newhaven, arriving there 14‑Jun-60, both TSs 10369 and 10372 also later
scrapped there Oct-63. |
|
4310 |
Unit damaged c.Jan-55 (details unknown). MBT 8148
temporarily exchanged with damaged 8142 (ex.4314) and unit to Eastleigh for
repair 14-Feb-55 to 14-Apr-55 then to Selhurst for varnish from 7-May‑55
to 19-May-55 when reverted to normal formation with MBT 8148. Unit damaged c.Apr-58 and out of use for repairs to MBS 8147
and TS 9445. MBS 8148 to 4339 and 10372 to unit no.4309 and replaced by
damaged 9444 (ex.4309) a 9-compartment ‘short’ trailer seating 90, and MBS
8128 (ex. spare from unit no.4300 after repairs). Unit back to traffic
c.Nov-58 then seating 320 second and with an overall length of
243' 0" and weight of 132 tons 14cwt. Unit to Strawberry Hill for stripping 10‑May-60 and
withdrawn 14‑May-60 and all coaches scrapped at Newhaven, arriving
there 20‑May-60. |
|
4311 |
Unit to Strawberry Hill for stripping 11‑Nov-60 and
TS 10379 withdrawn 15‑Nov-60 and subsequently stored at Micheldever.
Unit withdrawn 8‑Apr-61 and three coaches scrapped at Newhaven,
arriving there 7‑Jun-61. TS 10379 also later scrapped there
Jul-63. |
|
4312 |
Unit withdrawn 11‑Jun-60 and to Strawberry Hill for
stripping 21‑Jun-60. TS 10378 subsequently stored at Micheldever,
remaining three coaches scrapped at Newhaven, arriving there 16‑Jul-60.
TS 10378 also later scrapped there Oct-63. |
|
4313 |
Unit temporarily disbanded Aug-46 (trailer damaged?)
and MBT 8153 to 1685, MBT 8154 to 4149. Possible motorcoaches replaced by
damaged 8206 (ex. 1685) and 8787 (ex.4149) whilst all vehicles under repair.
Unit back to traffic in original formation Jun-47. Unit slightly damaged in
collision with 4110 at Victoria 8‑Dec-49 and TT 10376 exchanged with
11456 (ex.4594) Dec-49, this coach a ompartment all‑steel
‘pseudo composite’ seating 108, reducing overall unit capacity to 338 third.
Unit withdrawn 28‑May-60 and to Strawberry Hill for stripping 31‑May-60.
TS 11456 subsequently stored at Micheldever, remaining three coaches scrapped
at Newhaven, arriving there 14‑Jun-60. TS 11456 converted for use
in 4 EPB unit and to 5008 from Apr-61, renumbered 15080 from Sep-61. |
|
4314 |
Unit damaged c.Jan-55 (details unknown). MBT 8155 to
unit no.4307, temporarily replaced with 8148 (ex.4310) whilst that unit
repaired at Eastleigh. 8148 returned to unit no.4310 and replaced by 8142
(ex.4307) from 19-May-55. Unit slightly damaged (where?) and withdrawn 29‑Apr-61
and TS 10389 removed from unit whilst stored at Micheldever, remaining three
coaches scrapped at Newhaven Nov-61. TS 10389 also later scrapped there
Oct-63. |
|
4315 |
Unit withdrawn 19‑Nov-60 and TS 10357 exchanged with
TS 9443 (ex.4308), and all coaches scrapped at Newhaven, arriving there
30‑Jan-61. |
|
4316 |
Unit damaged Aug-52 (where?) and MBT 8159 temporarily
replaced from Oct-52 by 8099 (ex. withdrawn unit no. 4233) a 7½
compartment ‘1915’ LSWR vehicle seating 75. Unit then seated 355 and was
longer than standard at 249' 0" and now weighed
136 tons 7cwt. MBT 8099 withdrawn 29‑May-54 and bodywork
broken‑up at Longhedge by 4‑Sep-54,
underframe used in construction of new 4 EPB vehicle 14305 (unit no.5153)
Jan-55. MBT 8159 returned to unit though still under repair and unit out of
use until Jun-54. MBT 8159 and TT 10366 both temporarily exchanged with
8164 and 10367 (ex.4318) from Jul-55 until Mar-56 (reason unknown) and
unit out of use again until reverted to original formation. Unit withdrawn 26‑Mar-60
and to Strawberry Hill for stripping 29‑Mar-60. TS 10366
subsequently stored at Micheldever, remaining coaches scrapped at Newhaven,
arriving there 22‑Apr-60. TS 10366 also later scrapped there Jan-64. |
|
4317 |
Unit to Strawberry Hill for stripping 22‑Mar-60 and
withdrawn 26‑Mar-60. TS 10390 subsequently stored at Micheldever,
remaining three coaches scrapped at Newhaven, arriving there 22‑Apr-60.
TS 10390 also later scrapped there Jan-64. |
|
4318 |
MBT 8163 slightly damaged in Herne Hill collision 6‑Nov-47
but repaired. MBT 8164 and TT 10367 both temporarily exchanged with 8159 and
10366 (ex.4316) between Jul-55 and Mar-56 (reason unknown). Unit
withdrawn 30‑Jan-60 and TS 10367 stored at Micheldever, remaining three
coaches scrapped at Newhaven, arriving there 23‑Feb-60. TS 10367
also later scrapped there c.Apr-64. |
|
4319 |
Unit withdrawn 9‑Jul-60 and to Strawberry Hill for
stripping 12‑Jul-60 and TS 10355 stored at Micheldever, remaining three
coaches to Newhaven Aug-60 where 9454 removed for scrapping, both MBSs
returning to Strawberry Hill as match vehicles for further movements,
though both were also scrapped at Newhaven shortly afterwards. TS 10355 also
later scrapped at Newhaven Oct-63. |
|
4320 |
Unit non-standard when augmented as included a 10-compartment
trailer 9412 from ‘1915’ LSWR unit 1283 after war damage, this coach
originally seating 40 first and 50 third, now altered to 100 third. Overall
unit capacity was then 360 and unit was 247' 0" long and weighed
135 tons 4cwt. TT 9412 to 4416 c.Jun-50 and replaced with 9593
(ex. disbanded 4350), a 9-compartment coach seating 90. Unit capacity
then reverted to standard though overall length remained the same and weight
now 134 tons. Unit withdrawn 2‑Apr-60 and to Strawberry Hill
for stripping 5‑Apr-60 TS 10387 subsequently stored at Micheldever,
remaining three coaches scrapped at Newhaven, arriving there 22‑Apr-60.
TS 10387 also later scrapped there Jan-64. |
|
4321 |
Unit withdrawn 20‑Jan-60 and to Eastleigh c22‑Jan-60
where TS 10385 removed and stored at Micheldever, remaining three coaches to
Strawberry Hill 2‑Feb-60 for stripping then scrapped at Newhaven
Feb-60. TS 10385 later used in 4324 from Feb-61. |
|
4322 |
TS 9457 exchanged with 10383, a further wooden roofed
augmentation trailer seating 120 (ex.4301) c.17‑Dec-60. Overall unit
length then increased to 249' 0" and weight to
134 tons 12cwt, and unit then seated 380 second. Unit out of use
and sent to Chart Leacon 14‑Jun-61 for
possible use as a staff train, but not so used and returned to
Wimbledon Park and condemned 4‑Nov-61. Both trailers stored on DNS
line and MBSs both scrapped at Newhaven Jun-62. Both trailers also later
scrapped there Oct-63. |
|
4323 |
Unit withdrawn 15‑Apr-61 and to Strawberry Hill for
stripping c.18‑Apr-61 and TS 10377 stored at Micheldever, remaining
three coaches scrapped at Newhaven, arriving there 18‑May-61.
TS 10377 also later scrapped there Jul-63. |
|
4324 |
TS 9459 withdrawn 18‑Mar-61 and scrapped (probably at
Newhaven) Mar-61. Replaced by 10385, a further wooden roofed augmentation
trailer seating 120 (ex. store at Micheldever from withdrawn 4321). Overall
unit length then increased to 249' 0" and weight to
134 tons 12cwt, and unit then seated 380. Unit withdrawn 4‑Nov-61
and both trailers stored at Micheldever, both MBSs scrapped at Newhaven
Jun-62. Both trailers also later scrapped there, 10385 arriving 3‑Sep-63
and 10386 Dec-63. |
|
4325 |
MBT 8178 temporarily exchanged with 8753 (ex.4160) from
c.Sep-50 until c.Feb-51, (reason unknown). This coach a similar 7-compartment
MBT with ‘wedge end’ cab, though of standard length so unit longer at
249' 6" for duration of this change and weighed
135 tons 17cwt. Unit withdrawn 7‑May-60 and TS 10370 stored
at Micheldever, remaining three coaches scrapped at Newhaven May-60. TS 10370
also later scrapped there Dec-63. |
This batch of units consisted of the twenty-nine 1925 contractor-built
units 1496 ‑ 1524 delivered for the Eastern Section
electrification. These units differed from the ‘Guildford and Dorking’ units by
being mounted on 62' 0" underframes giving an additional compartment
in each coach, having a much flatter cab end design and being fitted with DK 77
motors in ‘Eastern’ motorbogies. The motorcoaches had
been built by the Metropolitan Carriage Wagon and Finance Co. Ltd. and the
trailers by the Birmingham Railway Carriage and Wagon Co. Ltd. The same batch
of ‘all-steel’ augmentation trailers in the 10346 ‑ 10400
series being delivered for the 4300 ‑ 4325 batch were also used
to make these units up to four coaches, these being ordered to H.O. 1094
subdivided in to three batches, H.O. 1094A for 10346 ‑ 10375,
H.O. 1094B for 10376 ‑ 10390 and H.O. 1094C for the steel
roofed coaches 10391 ‑ 10400. These coaches seated 120 third in
10-compartments and were to Diagram 2013 and weighed 28 tons. Once again, they
were inserted into the next available unit due for revarnishing resulting in
them not being allocated in any sort of number order within the batch.
Like units 4300 ‑ 4325 this batch were augmented
with the units retaining their existing numerical sequence, unit 1496 becoming
4326, 1497 becoming 4327 etc. but units were dealt with as they became due for
revarnishing and were not augmented in number order. Nine of the augmentation
trailers used in this batch were from the final ten built with steel roofs. The
three car units augmented in this programme consisted of two identical 8-compartment
MBTs seating 80 and weighing 41 tons, whilst the TC had 7 first class
compartments flanked by a third class one at each end and after the wartime
downgrading these seated 90 third (the former firsts now seating five aside)
and weighed about 27 tons. In their augmented form therefore, these units were
257' 5" long and weighed 137½ tons and seated 370 third overall.
Conversion to 4 SUB took place between June 1945 and April 1946.
Unit 4350 had a non‑standard MBT when formed, this unit
was subsequently disbanded and the standard MBT used to replace an accident
damaged one in 4332, the two displaced MBTs then having their underframes
recovered for use in the 4 EPB building programme. From May 1952 these
units had their ‘Eastern’ motorbogies and DK 77
motors replaced by bogies of the ‘Central’ type fitted with EE 339 motors, the
displaced ‘Eastern’ bogies then being used, refitted with EE 507 motors in
new 4 EPB units in the 5001 ‑ 5053 series then under
construction. The DK 77 motors were removed at Slades
Green (Slade Green from 21st September 1953) and the unit hauled to
either Eastleigh or Lancing for underframe modifications and a ‘Central’ type motorbogie was fitted. They were then hauled to
Wimbledon Park where EE 339 motors were installed. Approximately one
unit per month was dealt with at both Eastleigh and Lancing, all being
completed by July 1953. Their buffers were also changed to the heavier
self-contained type about this time.
From 3rd June 1956 the units became Second Class
only, the coaches then being reclassified as MBS and TS. All were withdrawn
between 1960 and 1962 following delivery of the first batch of BR type
4 EPB units, being scrapped at Newhaven after component recovery at
Strawberry Hill. The all-steel trailers were removed prior to scrapping of
the 1925 vehicles and many were stored either at Micheldever or on the closed
Didcot, Newbury and Southampton line near Winchester Jct. Most of the wooden
roofed vehicle did not however see any further service and were also scrapped,
usually at Newhaven, the steel‑roofed coaches were all reused either in
4 SUB or 4 EPB units or converted to De-Icing trailers.
Unit formations were as follows, the position of the additional
trailer is shown in a consistent position relative to the motorcoaches, but the
actual trailers may well have been transposed. The date of formation is shown
beneath the unit number. Steel-roofed augmentation trailers are shown with ‘*’
after coach number.
|
Unit |
Old no. |
MBT |
TT |
TT |
MBT |
Withdrawn |
|
|
Diag. No. |
|
670 |
758 |
2013 |
670 |
|
|
|
4326 |
1496 |
8417 |
9583 |
10362 |
8418 |
6-May-61 |
|
|
4327 |
1497 |
8419 |
9595 |
10394* |
8420 |
2-Jan-60 |
|
|
4328 |
1498 |
8421 |
9591 |
10351 |
8422 |
6-Aug-60 |
|
|
4329 |
1499 |
|
9584 |
10346 |
8424 |
20-Jan-62 |
|
|
4330 |
1500 |
8426 |
9603 |
10368 |
8425 |
20-Jan-62 |
|
|
4331 |
1501 |
8427 |
9604 |
|
|
30-Jul-60 |
|
|
4332 |
1502 |
|
9598 |
10348 |
8430 |
27-Aug-60 |
|
|
4333 |
1503 |
|
9606 |
|
8432 |
18-Nov-61 |
|
|
4334 |
1504 |
8434 |
9607 |
10356 |
8433 |
13-Aug-60 |
|
|
4335 |
1505 |
8435 |
|
|
8436 |
20-Jan-62 |
|
|
4336 |
1506 |
8438 |
9588 |
10365 |
8437 |
14-Nov-59 |
|
|
4337 |
1507 |
8440 |
9587 |
10364 |
8439 |
20-Jan-62 |
|
|
4338 |
1508 |
8441 |
9596 |
10359 |
8442 |
11-Nov-61 |
|
|
4339 |
1509 |
8443 |
9600 |
10352 |
|
3-Dec-60 |
|
|
4340 |
1510 |
8446 |
9589 |
10396* |
8445 |
16-Jul-60 |
|
|
4341 |
1511 |
8448 |
9599 |
10354 |
8447 |
30-Apr-60 |
|
|
4342 |
1512 |
8450 |
9582 |
10358 |
8449 |
18-Jun-60 |
|
|
4343 |
1513 |
8452 |
9594 |
10347 |
8451 |
22-Apr-61 |
|
|
4344 |
1514 |
8454 |
9592 |
10395* |
8453 |
23-Jul-60 |
|
|
4345 |
1515 |
8455 |
|
10392* |
8456 |
11-Apr-59 |
|
|
4346 |
1516 |
8457 |
9586 |
10349 |
8458 |
2-Dec-61 |
|
|
4347 |
1517 |
|
9590 |
10360 |
8459 |
20-May-61 |
|
|
4348 |
1518 |
8462 |
|
|
8461 |
20-Jan-62 |
|
|
4349 |
1519 |
8463 |
9581 |
10400* |
8464 |
2-Jul-60 |
|
|
Diag. No. |
|
|
|
|
662 |
|
|
|
4350 |
1520 |
8465 |
9593 |
10373 |
848644 |
c.Jun-50 |
|
|
Diag. No. |
|
|
|
|
670 |
|
|
|
4351 |
1521 |
8467 |
9601 |
|
8468 |
27-Aug-60 |
|
|
4352 |
1522 |
8469 |
9602 |
10353 |
8470 |
25-Nov-61 |
|
|
4353 |
1523 |
8472 |
9585 |
10363 |
8471 |
27-Aug-60 |
|
|
4354 |
1524 |
8473 |
9605 |
10350 |
8474 |
5-Dec-59 |
|
|
Notes: |
|||||||
|
37 = Ex. SECR conversion on Ashford frame, Diagram
662. 38 = TS Diagram
2014. 39 = 10-compt. augmentation trailer, Diagram
2013. 40 = Ex. LBSCR conversion on
lengthened ‘AC’ underframe, Diagram 678. 41
= 7-compt. MBS with ‘wedge end’ cab, Diagram 661. |
42 = 10-compt.
augmentation trailer, Diagram 2013. 43 = 10-compt. augmentation trailer, Diagram
2013. 44
= Ex. SECR conversion on Ashford frame. 45
= 9-compt. TS, Diagram 758. |
||||||
|
Individual Unit Notes |
|
|
4235 |
10-compt. TT 9344 exchanged with 9376 (ex.4154) (date
unknown) and unit now weighed 134 tons 6cwt. Unit withdrawn 15-Aug-53 and bodywork broken‑up at
Lancing? by 5-Sep-53. Underframes used in construction of new 4 EPB
vehicles: 8216 for 14222 (unit no.5111) Mar‑54, 8830 for 14214 (unit
no.5107) Mar‑54, 9218 for 15186 and 9376 for 15236 (both 5108) Mar‑54. |
|
4326 |
Unit withdrawn 6‑May‑61 and to
Strawberry Hill for stripping 9‑May‑61 and TS 10362 stored
at Micheldever, remaining three coaches scrapped at Newhaven, arriving there
18‑May‑61. TS 10377 also later scrapped there Jul‑63. |
|
4327 |
Unit withdrawn 2‑Jan‑60 and TS 10394 stored at
Micheldever, TS 9595 scrapped at Newhaven Feb‑60. MBS 8420 used (with
8473 ex.4354) as match vehicle in connection with movements of augmentation
trailers from withdrawn units between Gatwick, Lancing and Micheldever. MBS
8419 stored and also scrapped at Newhaven, arriving there 25‑Jul‑60.
8420 renumbered DS 70057 11‑Feb‑61 as part of M&EE test unit
15. TS 10394 later converted to 4 EPB trailer 15228 c.May‑63 for
unit 5150. DS 70057 subsequently scrapped by Cashmore, Newport Jun‑70,
moving from Micheldever 28‑May‑70. |
|
4328 |
Unit withdrawn 6-Aug‑60 and TS 10351 stored at
Micheldever. TS 9591 scrapped at Newhaven, arriving there 20-Sep‑61.
Both MBSs used as match vehicles to convey a pair of augmentation trailers to
Micheldever, then stored until used in conversion to De‑Icing
motorcoaches at Stewarts Lane Oct-60, 8421 renumbered DS 70103, 8422
renumbered DS 70102, both for unit 99 (later 018). TS 10351 later overhauled
and used in set 900 (later 7‑TC 701) from Jul‑63. DS 70102 & DS 70103 were scrapped by Booths (Rotherham)
March 1980. |
|
4329 |
MBT 8423 exchanged with 8428 (ex.4331) Sep‑51 (reason
unknown). Unit was subsequently the last pre-war 4 SUB unit to run
in traffic 12‑Jan‑62 and withdrawn 20‑Jan‑62. TS 9584
removed at Strawberry Hill Jan‑62 and subsequently scrapped at Newhaven
Jun‑62, TS 10346 formed as part of ‘4352’ and along with both MBSs 8424
and 8428 then stored on DNS line from early 1962 until early 1963 when all
moved to Fullerton and onwards to Micheldever. TS 10346 later overhauled and
used in set 900 (later 7 TC 701) from Jul‑63. Both MBSs 8424 and
8428 subsequently formed around withdrawn TSs 10388/90/66/87 and to
Strawberry Hill for stripping 27‑Nov‑63 before moving to Newhaven
for scrapping 1‑Jan‑64. |
|
4330 |
MBT 8425 damaged in collision (with what?) at London
Bridge 18‑Nov‑55 and unit out of use until repairs completed Jan‑57.
Unit withdrawn 20‑Jan‑62 and stored at
Micheldever, all coaches later scrapped at Newhaven Nov‑63. |
|
4331 |
TS 10361 to 4348 Aug‑51 and MBT 8428 exchanged with 8423
(ex.4329) Sep‑51 (reason unknown) and unit out of use until
10361 replaced with 10195 (ex.4588) in Dec‑51. Unit withdrawn 30‑Jul‑60 and TS 10195 stored at
Micheldever. TS 9604 scrapped at Newhaven, arriving there 10‑Aug‑60.
Both MBSs used as match vehicles to convey a pair of augmentation trailers to
Micheldever, then stored at Strawberry Hill until used in conversion to
De‑Icing motor coaches (8423 renumbered DS 70107, 8427 renumbered DS 70106)
both for unit 101 (later 020). TS 10195 later converted to EPB trailer 15079
in Jun‑61 for unit 5302. DS 70106 & DS 70107 were scrapped by Booths (Rotherham)
March 1980. |
|
4332 |
MBT 8429 damaged in collision with 4168 at Woolwich Arsenal 18‑Nov‑48
and withdrawn. Replaced by similar 8241 (ex. 1408), with SECR bodywork
conversion from c.Jan‑49. This coach withdrawn May‑50 and
bodywork scrapped at Lancing? and underframe used in construction of
new 4 EPB vehicle 14020 (unit no.5010) Jan‑52. Replaced Apr‑50
by 8465 (ex. disbanded 4350). Unit withdrawn 27‑Aug‑60 and TS 10348 stored
at Micheldever, TS 9598 scrapped at Newhaven, arriving there 20‑Sep‑61.
Both MBSs stored until used in conversion to De‑Icing motor coaches
(8430 renumbered DS 70104, 8465 renumbered DS 70105) both for unit 100 (later
019). TS 10348 scrapped at Newhaven Oct‑63. DS 70104 & DS 70105 were scrapped by Booths (Rotherham)
February 1980. |
|
4333 |
Unit damaged during 1951 (where?) and to Lancing for
repairs. TS 10398 removed from unit c.Oct-51 for conversion to EPB and used
in the prototype unit 5001 from Nov‑51; being renumbered 15001 early in
1952. Unit out of use and MBT 8431 exchanged with 8460 (ex.4347) c.Feb‑52
(reason unknown). Unit back to traffic May‑52 with TS 10449 (ex.4569).
This coach then exchanged with 10373 (ex.4607) May‑60 to remove
non-standard wooden-roofed coach from later build all‑steel batch of
units. Unit withdrawn 18‑Nov‑61 and TS 9606 removed
at Strawberry Hill, remaining three coaches then stored at Micheldever.
TS 9606 scrapped (probably at Newhaven). TS 10373 also later
scrapped there, arriving 3‑Sep‑63. (disposal of MBSs uncertain,
at Chart Leacon Sep‑63). These later
noted lettered ‘ME(T) Chart Leacon’ and numbered as
‘Internal User’ vehicles IU081812/3 stored at Cosham in May /June 1966, later
moving from Eastleigh to Micheldever 13‑Jun‑66. |
|
4334 |
Unit withdrawn 13-Aug‑60 and TS 10356 stored at
Micheldever until reinstated 28‑Jan‑61 and formed into 4108 from
Jan‑61. TS 9607 scrapped at Newhaven, arriving there 20-Sep‑61.
Both MBSs stored until used in conversion to De‑Icing motorcoaches at
Stewarts Lane Oct‑60 (8433 renumbered DS 70096, 8434 renumbered DS 70097)
both for unit 96 (later 015). DS 70096 & DS 70097 were scrapped by Birds (Long Marsdon)
May 1980. |
|
4335 |
Unit damaged early in 1952 (where?) and to Lancing for
repair where TS 10391 removed from unit May‑52 for conversion to EPB
and used in 5010 from Jun‑52, renumbered as 15010. Remainder of 4335
out of use until 10391 replaced by 10376 (ex.4594) from Oct‑52. When
released unit modified with ‘Central’ motorbogie
and EE 339 motors. TS 9597 withdrawn Dec‑60 and scrapped at
Newhaven (arriving there 28‑Feb‑61) replaced by TS 10381 (ex.4302),
unit now seating 400 and weighing 138 tons. Unit withdrawn 20‑Jan‑62 and stored at
Micheldever. All coaches scrapped at Newhaven (arriving there 3‑Sep‑63)
also including withdrawn TS coaches 10373 and 10385. |
|
4336 |
Unit withdrawn 14‑Nov‑59 and TS 10365 stored at
Micheldever. Remaining three coaches scrapped at Newhaven Dec‑60. TS
10365 also later scrapped there Dec‑63. |
|
4337 |
Unit withdrawn 20‑Jan‑62 and TS 10364 stored on
DNS line (as part of ‘4348‘). Remaining three coaches stored at
Peckham Rye until 1963 for use in connection with some electrical
testing at substations, (eventual disposal unknown, probably to Newhaven).
[Unit at Barnham mid-1963 then Farnham by Jul‑63]. TS 10364 also
scrapped at Newhaven, arriving there 6‑Aug‑63. |
|
4338 |
Unit withdrawn 11‑Nov‑61 and TS 10359 to
4 LAV 2926. TS 9596 scrapped at Newhaven Jun‑62, both MBSs stored
at Micheldever until formed around withdrawn TS coaches 10374 /10350
/10354 /10365 and to Strawberry Hill for stripping before moving to
Newhaven Dec‑63 for scrapping. |
|
4339 |
Unit damaged in collision with 2 HAL 2680 at Chatham 5‑Jan‑56
and MBT 8444 damaged and withdrawn 28‑Jan‑56; scrapped at Longhedge 18‑Dec‑56. Unit disbanded but
reinstated from Aug‑56 with MBS 8719 (ex.4547), an ex. LBSCR conversion
weighing 39½ tons, overall unit weight now being 136 tons. This coach
then to 4506 (2) from c.Apr‑58 and replaced with 8148 (ex.4310), a 7-compartment
56' 11" underframe coach weighing 39 tons 6cwt, giving
revised unit totals of 360 second, overall weight of 135 tons 16cwt and
overall length of 252' 3". Unit withdrawn 3‑Dec‑60 and TS 10352 to 4348;
remaining three coaches scrapped at Newhaven Mar‑61. |
|
4340 |
Unit withdrawn 16-Jul‑60 and TS 10396 stored at
Micheldever. TS 9589 scrapped at Newhaven, arriving there 10-Aug‑60.
Both MBSs stored from 19‑Jul‑60 at Strawberry Hill until
used in conversion to De‑Icing motorcoaches at Stewarts Lane in August
(8445 renumbered DS 70091, 8446 renumbered DS 70090) both for unit 93 (later
012). TS 10396 later reinstated from 14‑Sep‑63 and used in 4115. DS 70090 & DS 70091 were scrapped by Armytage (Sheepbridge) October 1980. |
|
4341 |
Unit withdrawn 30‑Apr‑60 and TS 10354 stored at
Micheldever. Remaining three coaches scrapped at Newhaven c.Jun‑60. TS
10354 also later scrapped there Dec‑63. |
|
4342 |
Unit fitted with experimental air horns early in 1952. Unit
withdrawn 18‑Jun‑60 and TS 10358 stored at Micheldever. TS
9582 scrapped at Newhaven Jul‑60. TS 10358 also scrapped there Oct‑63.
Both MBSs used as ‘towing unit’ at Wimbledon Park Depot, retaining ‘unit
number’ 4342 but given coach numbers in ‘Internal User’ series; 8449 becoming
IU 081269 and 8450 becoming IU 081270. This use continued until about Dec-69
when unit withdrawn. These vehicles eventually scrapped at
Wimbledon Park Dec‑70. |
|
4343 |
Unit withdrawn 22‑Apr‑61 and TS 10347 stored at
Micheldever. Remaining three coaches all scrapped at Newhaven, arriving there
18‑May‑61. TS 10347 also later scrapped there Jul‑63. |
|
4344 |
Unit withdrawn 23‑Jul‑60 and TS 10395 stored at
Micheldever. TS 9592 scrapped at Newhaven, arriving there 10‑Aug‑60.
Both MBSs stored from 26‑Jul‑60 at Strawberry Hill until Sep‑60
when used in conversion to De‑Icing motorcoaches at Stewarts Lane (8453
renumbered DS 70094, 8454 renumbered DS 70095) both for unit 95. TS 10395
later converted to EPB trailer 15083 in Nov‑65 for unit 5262. |
|
4345 |
Unit withdrawn 11‑Apr‑59 and TS 9608 exchanged
with 10399 (ex.4351). All four then converted to De‑Icing vehicles
Sep-59 at Lancing all being renumbered (8455 becoming DS 70045, 8456 becoming
DS 70044) both for unit 92, 10392 becoming DS 70050 and 10399 becoming DS 70051. DS 70044 was scrapped by BR (Newhaven) August 1962. DS 70044
(unit 011) was scrapped by Booths (Rotherham) March 1980. DS 70050 renumbered ADB 977362. Scrapped Booths (Rotherham)
August 1993. DS 70051 renumbered ADB 977363. Scrapped Gwent Demolition
(Margam) September 1993. |
|
4346 |
Unit damaged early in 1952 and released from repairs at
Eastleigh with a ‘Central’ motorbogie and
EE 339 motors. Unit withdrawn 2‑Dec-61 and TS 10349 stored on DNS line
(as part of ‘4352’). MBS 8458 scrapped at Newhaven c.Mar‑62 (with
damaged DS 70044 ex. 92), TS 9586 scrapped at Newhaven Jun‑62, MBS 8457
quickly converted to De‑Icing motorcoach at Stewarts Lane in December
1961 and renumbered DS 70173 to replace fire damaged DS 70044 in unit 92
(later 011). TS 10349 later overhauled and used in set 900 (later
7 TC 701) from Jul‑63. DS 70173 scrapped Booths (Rotherham) March 1980. |
|
4347 |
MBT 8460 exchanged with 8431 (ex.4333) c.Mar‑52 (reason
unknown). Unit withdrawn 20‑May‑61 and TS 10360 stored at
Micheldever. Remaining three coaches scrapped at Newhaven, arriving there
7-Jun‑61. TS 10360 also later scrapped there Jul‑63. |
|
4348 |
TS 10393 to 4729 Aug‑51 and replaced by 10361 (ex.4331).
Unit fitted with experimental air horns early in 1952. TS 9580 withdrawn Dec‑60
and scrapped at Newhaven, arriving there 28‑Feb-61, and replaced by a
further augmentation trailer, TS 10352 (ex.4339). In this form unit seated
400 second and weighed 138 tons. Unit withdrawn 20‑Jan‑62 and stored on DNS line
(also including 10364 ex.4337) until taken to Fullerton early in 1963, then
via Micheldever and Strawberry Hill for final stripping on to Newhaven for
scrapping, arriving there 6‑Aug‑63. |
|
4349 |
Unit withdrawn 2‑Jul‑60 and TS 9581 scrapped at
Newhaven that month. Remaining three coaches all converted to De‑Icing
vehicles, the MBSs at Stewarts Lane Aug-60, and renumbered (8463 renumbered DS
70092, 8464 renumbered DS 70093) both for unit 94 (later unit no.13),
TS 10400 arrived Lancing by Aug‑60 and converted and renumbered DS
70087 in Engineering Red (with DE-ICING VAN’ on its side in white lettering) from
Nov‑60 (it was released for use before 26th December 1960). DS 70087 became ADB 977364 and received engineering liveries Green,
NSE and finally Railtrack (where it worked as part of diesel unit 930 301). With
the two ex.’Berkshire’ motor coaches (977939 &
977940) it was sold to St Leonards Railway Engineering Ltd and moved to St
Leonards Depot. Subsequently taken to Finmere Station Yard, Newton Purcell.
Believed up for sale again late 2010 before scrapping by James Watson &
Sons Ltd (Common Road, Stafford) in February 2020. Unit no.013’s (previously 94) Motor Coaches DS 70092 and DS 70093
were scrapped by Frank Berry (Leicester) in October 1980. |
|
4350 |
When formed, unit included MBT 8486 from 1925 ex. SECR
bodywork conversion batch of ‘Eastern Section’ units. Unit disbanded c.Jun‑50 and bodywork of MBT 8486
scrapped at Lancing and underframe used in construction of new 4 EPB
vehicle 14017 (unit no.5009) May‑52. MBT 8465 to 4332, TS 9593 to 4320
and TS 10373 to new 4607. |
|
4351 |
TS 10399 exchanged with TS 9608 (ex.4345) Apr‑59.
Unit then seated 340 second and weighed 137 tons. Unit withdrawn 27-Aug‑60 and both TSs scrapped at
Newhaven, arriving there 20‑Sep‑61. Both MBSs converted to De‑Icing
motorcoaches at Stewarts Lane Sep‑60 (8467 renumbered DS 70100, 8468
renumbered DS 70101) both for unit 98 Later 017). DS 70100 and DS 70101 were scrapped by Booths (Rotherham) in
March 1980. |
|
4352 |
Unit withdrawn 25‑Nov‑61 and TS 9602 removed at
Strawberry Hill and scrapped at Newhaven Jan‑62. Replaced by TS
coaches 10346 (ex.4329) and 10349 (ex.4346) and all five coaches stored
on DNS line from early 1962 until early 1963 when moved to Fullerton, thence
Micheldever. All three augmentation trailers 10346, 10349 and 10353 later
overhauled and used in set 900 (later 7 TC 701) from Jul‑63. MBSs
8469 and 8470 at Micheldever Apr‑64, moved to Newhaven for scrapping
with TS coaches 10367 (ex.4318) and 10371 (ex.4303). |
|
4353 |
Unit withdrawn 27-Aug‑60 and TS 10363 stored at
Micheldever. TS 9585 scrapped at Newhaven, arriving there 20‑Sep‑60.
Both MBSs converted to De‑Icing motorcoaches at Stewarts Lane Sep‑60
(8471 renumbered DS 70098, 8472 renumbered DS 70099) both for unit 97 (later
16). TS 10363 also scrapped at Newhaven Oct‑63. DS 70098 and DS 70099 were scrapped by Smeeth Metals (Ridham
Dock) in May 1982. |
|
4354 |
Unit damaged in depot collision at Selhurst 1‑Dec‑59
and withdrawn 5‑Dec‑59, MBS 8474 scrapped on site. TS 10350
stored at Micheldever and TS 9605 later scrapped at Newhaven Feb‑60.
MBS 8473 renumbered DS 70058 11‑Feb‑61 as part of M&EE test
unit 15. TS 10350 later also scrapped at Newhaven Dec‑63. DS 70058
subsequently scrapped by Cashmore, Newport Jun‑70 having moved there
from Micheldever 28‑May‑70. |
Summary of Units nos.4401 ‑ 4516
This series of
units were augmented from three-coach motor units between December 1946 and
August 1947 using new augmentation trailers from the 10230 ‑ 10345
batch; these being 120 seat 10-compartment thirds weighing 28 tons ordered
to H.O. 3351 and to Diagram 2013. These new coaches were inserted into the next
unit due for varnishing at Selhurst as they were delivered there from Eastleigh
in batches of four or six (not in numerical order) and therefore did not go
into 4 SUB units in any sort of numerical order. The position was further
complicated by the fact that after the first thirty-six had been delivered and
thirty used for augmentation, problems were found with the wheels fouling the
underframes when the coaches were running under crush‑loaded conditions
and these thirty six coaches then had to be returned to Eastleigh for
modifications to the underframes, being replaced by later deliveries.
Where these
coaches were used for augmenting three-coach units with two identical MBTs they
could be added between the original trailer third and either motorcoach, in
units which included an MBT and former MBC (now downgraded to MBT), the
augmentation trailer was usually placed between the original MBT and TT,
thereby keeping the former first class compartments marshalled together in case
of possible reinstatement of this facility, though this did not take place.
This batch of augmentation trailers were
used to augment units of the following batch of 3 coach units:
Ø 5 used in LSWR bodied 1930 units of
1773 ‑ 1779 batch, becoming 4401 ‑ 4405.
Ø 5 used in LSWR bodied 1931 units of
1786 ‑ 1794 batch, becoming 4406 ‑ 4410.
Ø 13 used in LSWR bodied 1934/5 units of
1585 ‑ 1597 batch, becoming 4411 ‑ 4423.
Ø 6 used in LSWR bodied 1937 units of
1579 ‑ 1584 batch, becoming 4424 ‑ 4429.
Ø 2 used in LSWR bodied 1932 units
1795 and 1796, becoming 4430 and 4431.
Ø 70 used in SECR bodied 1925/6 units of
1401 ‑ 1495 and 1525 ‑ 1534 batches, becoming
4432 ‑ 4501.
Ø 15 used in SECR bodied 1927 units of
1601 ‑ 1630 batch, becoming 4502 ‑ 4516.
All units had a standard overall length of 257' 5",
weight varied between 132 and 140 tons between sub‑batches, with similar
seating variations between 350 and 370 third. All former first-class
compartments were now regarded as seating five aside as in the original thirds.
Due to the complexities involved in allocating the augmentation trailers to
units, the dates that some of the 3 car motor units were augmented is unknown,
but all were done during 1947.
These augmented units had only fairly short lives, a start being
made on withdrawal from 1949; many of the bodies of the original coaches then
being broken‑up and their standard 62' 0" underframes used for
construction of new all‑steel 4 SUB and subsequently 4 EPB
vehicles, whilst the augmentation trailers were used either directly in new all‑steel
4 SUB units or converted to EP braking and renumbered and used in new
4 EPB units.
Units were often disbanded and their all‑steel trailers
reused some months before the older coaches were officially condemned, these
being stored and had some of their electrical equipment stripped prior to
breaking‑up of bodywork. Units had their bodies removed mainly at
Lancing works, Longhedge and lesser numbers were
dealt with at Eastleigh works. In later years (from approx. 1955) this was
usually done at Newhaven.
The recovered underframe was then taken to Lancing works
for reconditioning where additional strengthening was also added, the
reconditioned frames then being taken to Eastleigh for use under the newly
constructed coaches. The underframes from the 1401 ‑ 1495 and
1525 ‑ 1534 batches had originally been built at Ashford
(1401 ‑ 1495) or Lancing to Ashford pattern (1525 ‑ 1534)
and were 7’ 3” between solebars, whereas those from Lancing were
6’ 11” between solebars. It is believed these were all standardised when
the underframes were reconditioned at Lancing prior to being used under a new
‘all‑steel’ body. Underframes were often stored en
route, mainly at Hassocks and Gatwick and sometimes at Horsted Keynes. The
last units in their augmented form were withdrawn during 1956.
This batch of
units were converted from 3 car motor units nos.1773 ‑ 1779
dating from mid-1930 and rebuilt from ex. LSWR suburban block-set coaches
dating from between 1902 and 1912. They consisted of an 8-compartment MBT (80
seats), a 10-compartment TT [Downgraded TC with 6 third and 4 first compts.] (100 seats) and a 7-compartment MBT
[Downgraded MBC with 3 first and 4 third compts.] (70
seats). When augmented they seated 370 and weighed 133 tons 8cwt.
Two were
withdrawn in 1951, their all‑steel trailers going into new 4 SUB
units whilst the underframes of the older coaches were rebuilt as 4 EPB
vehicles, the remaining three being withdrawn in 1953, the all-steel trailers
being converted for 4 EPB units, the underframes being similarly used,
whilst two old trailers saw further use in other augmented 4 SUB units.
Unit formations
were as follows:
|
Unit |
Old no. |
MBT |
TT |
TT |
MBT |
Withdrawn |
|
Diag. No. |
|
697 |
760 |
2013 |
671 |
|
|
4401 |
1773 |
9808 |
9649 |
10332 |
8555 |
14-Mar-53 |
|
4402 |
1775 |
9810 |
9651 |
10292 |
8557 |
28-Feb-53 |
|
4403 |
1777 |
9812 |
9653 |
10338 |
8559 |
21-Jul-51 |
|
4404 |
1778 |
9813 |
9654 |
10288 |
8560 |
15-Sep-51 |
|
4405 |
1779 |
9814 |
9655 |
10254 |
8561 |
18-Apr-53 |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Individual Unit Notes |
|
|
4401 |
Unit withdrawn 14‑Mar‑53 and TT 10332
converted to EP braking and renumbered 15019 for unit 5019. TT 9649
to 4519. Bodywork of both MBTs broken‑up at Lancing? 27‑Jun‑53
and their underframes used in construction of new 4 EPB vehicles: 8555
for 14254 (unit no.5127) Aug‑54 and 9808 for 14436 (unit no.5218) Apr‑56. |
|
4402 |
Unit withdrawn 28‑Feb‑53 and TT 10292 converted
to EP braking and renumbered 15017 for unit 5017 Apr‑53.
TT 9651 to 4409. Both MBTs used as departmental towing unit until Jun‑53
when both bodies were broken‑up Newhaven 11‑Jul‑53 and
their underframes used in construction of new 4 EPB vehicles: 8557 for
14262 (unit no.5131) Sep‑54 and 9810 for 14264 (unit no.5132) Sep‑54. |
|
4403 |
Unit disbanded 2‑Jul‑51 and TT 10338 formed
into new 4734. Bodywork of all three 1930 coaches withdrawn and broken‑up
at Lancing? by 28‑Feb‑53 and their underframes used in
construction of new 4 EPB vehicles: 8559 for 14250 (unit no.5125) Jul‑54,
9653 for 15141 (unit no.5041) Nov‑53 and 9812 for 14494 (unit no.5247)
Dec‑56. |
|
4404 |
Unit disbanded 15‑Sep‑51 and TT 10288 formed
into new 4741. Bodywork of all three 1930 coaches withdrawn and broken‑up;
9813 and 9654 at Lancing? by 29‑Nov‑52, 8560 at Eastleigh
by 18‑Mar‑53. Their underframes used in construction of new
4 EPB vehicles: 8560 for 14066 (unit no.5033) Sep‑53, 9654 for
15124 (unit no.5024) Jun‑53 and 9813 for 14055 (unit no.5028) Aug‑53. |
|
4405 |
Unit withdrawn 18‑Apr‑53 and TT 10254
converted to EP braking and renumbered 15021 for unit 5021. TT 9655 to
unit 4418, bodywork of both MBTs broken‑up at Lancing? 4‑Jul‑53
and their underframes used in construction of new 4 EPB vehicles: 8561
for 14390 and 9814 for 14389 (both 5195) Dec‑55. |
This batch of
units were converted from 3 car motor units nos.1786 ‑ 1794
dating from early 1931 and rebuilt from ex. LSWR six‑wheeled suburban
coaches dating from between 1897 and 1904. They consisted of an 8-compartment
MBT (80 seats), a 9-compartment TT [Downgraded TC with 2 third and 7 first compts.] (90 seats) and a further 8-compartment MBT
(80 seats). When augmented they seated 370 and weighed 135 tons 8cwt.
Unit 4406 was
withdrawn after collision damage in June 1948 and a replacement unit converted
from ex. SECR conversion 1406 was provided using the same augmentation trailer
from October, this unit differed from the others in being fitted with ‘Eastern’
motorbogies and DK77 motors along with a different
bodywork style and Ashford underframes. 4406 was withdrawn in July 1950 with
the all‑steel trailer going into a 4 SUB unit and all three
underframes used for new 4 SUB vehicles.
The remaining
units were withdrawn between 1951 and 1954 with two all-steel trailers going
into new 4 SUB units and three converted for 4 EPB units, whilst most
of the older vehicle underframes were used in new 4 EPB units.
Unit formations
were as follows:
|
Unit |
Old no. |
MBT |
TT |
TT |
MBT |
Withdrawn |
|
|
Diag. No. |
|
682 |
766 |
2013 |
680 |
|
|
|
4406 (1) |
1786 |
|
|
10270 |
8565 |
Jun-48 |
|
|
Diag. No. |
|
662 |
754 |
|
662 |
|
|
|
4406(2) |
1406 |
8237* |
9498* |
10270 |
8238* |
2-Sep-50 |
|
|
Diag. No. |
|
682 |
766 |
|
680 |
|
|
|
4407 |
1787 |
8566 |
9305 |
|
8567 |
21-Jul-51 |
|
|
4408 |
1788 |
8568 |
9306 |
|
8569 |
23-May-53 |
|
|
4409 |
1789 |
8570 |
9484 |
|
8571 |
1-May-54 |
|
|
Diag. No. |
|
671 |
767 |
|
683 |
|
|
|
4410 |
1794 |
8581 |
9663 |
10302 |
8580 |
24-Nov-51 |
|
|
Notes: |
|||||||
|
46 =
7½-Compt. MBS with ‘wedge end’ cab, Diagram 676. 47 =
11-compt. TT, Diagram 742. 48 =
9-compt. TT, Diagram 760. |
*
= Coaches on Ashford underframes. |
||||||
|
Individual Unit Notes |
|
|
4406 |
Unit formed with augmentation trailer 10270 15‑May‑47,
used initially in 4409 prior to underframe modifications. Unit in collision
with 4222 at Motspur Park 6‑Nov‑47
and MBT 8226 and TT 9304 both damaged and withdrawn 29‑Nov‑47,
9304 broken‑up on site along with bodywork of 8226, the underframe of
which was cut‑up at Lancing 10‑Jan‑48. Unit 4228 was also
involved. The 4.45pm Holmwood to Waterloo
(running twenty-three minutes late) passed the Motspur
Park Up Main (Leatherhead line) outer home signal (no.13) at danger having
been given a clear handsignal to do so by the fogsignalman. After travelling 300 yards it collided with
the 5.16pm Waterloo to Chessington (running twelve minutes late) which was
crossing its path under clear signals. Both trains were formed of two
four-coach electric units. The leading coach of the Waterloo train struck the
second coach of the Chessington train a few feet from its trailing end, but
the full force of the impact was taken by the next coach in rear. This coach
and the leading coach of the Waterloo train were overturned on their right-hand
sides away from each other and the following coach of each train was
partially overturned to the right. In total four coaches were derailed;
the two leading coaches of the Chessington train broke away from the remained
and ran forward for about 87 yards. It would appear the derailed coaches
comprised the leading pair of the Waterloo train and 3rd and 4th
of the Chessington train. The leading coach of the Waterloo train was
destroyed. Three passengers lost their lives and
a Motorman travelling passenger also succumbed to his injuries; all being in
the leading motor coach of the Waterloo train. Eight passengers were detained
in hospital and another ninety-two suffered minor injuries or shock. Unit temporarily reformed with ‘wedge end’ MBT 8123 and 11-compartment
TT 9220 (both ex.4222), in this form unit then seated 390 and weighed 136
tons. This temporary formation disbanded Jun‑48. Bodywork of
MBT 8565 scrapped at Lancing 9‑Oct‑48 and underframe used in
construction of new 4 SUB vehicle 11385 for unit 4663 Mar-50.
MBT 8123 to 4224 Jun‑48, TT 9220 to 4242 Oct‑48, TT 10270
used in a ‘new’ 4406 formed Oct‑48 using all three vehicles of unit
1406 and unit now weighed 137½ tons. Unit disbanded 2‑Sep‑50 and TT 10270 formed
into new 4684. Bodywork of all three 1925 coaches withdrawn 10‑Feb‑51
and broken‑up at Lancing by 17‑Feb‑51 with their
underframes used in construction of new 4 SUB vehicles: 8237 for 12799
(4734) Jul‑51, 8238 for 8618 (4736) Jul7‑51 and 9498 for 9024
(4744) Sep‑51. |
|
4407 |
Unit formed with augmentation trailer 10264 14‑Jan‑47,
this then removed for modifications 26‑Feb‑47 and replaced by new
10234 after underframe modifications. Displaced 10264 later to 4490 Mar‑47.
10234 had not run in traffic prior to underframe modifications. Unit disbanded 21‑Jul‑51 and TT 10234 formed
into new 4735 Jul‑51, TT 9305 to 4422. Bodywork of both MBTs
withdrawn and scrapped at Eastleigh by 18‑Mar‑53 and their
underframes used in construction of new 4 EPB vehicles: 8566 for
14202 (unit no.5101) Dec‑53, 8567 for 14206 (unit no.5103) Jan‑54. |
|
4408 |
Unit formed with augmentation trailer 10274 7‑Jan‑47,
this then removed for modifications 27‑Feb‑47 and replaced by new
10281 after underframe modifications. Displaced 10274 later to 4467 Mar‑47.
10281 had not run in traffic prior to underframe modifications. Unit withdrawn 23‑May‑53 and TT 10281
converted to EP braking and renumbered 15027 for unit 5027 Jul‑53,
TT 9306 to 4412 Jul‑53. Bodywork of remaining two coaches broken‑up
at Lancing? by 29‑Aug‑53 and their underframe used in
construction of new 4 EPB vehicles: 8568 for 14364 (unit no.5182) Sep‑55
and 8569 for 14360 (unit no.5180) Sep‑55. |
|
4409 |
Unit formed with augmentation trailer 10270 17‑Jan‑47,
this then removed for modifications 14‑Apr‑47 and replaced by
10238 (used initially in 4464 prior to underframe modifications). Displaced
10270 later to 4406 May‑47. TT 10238 removed from unit Feb‑53 and
converted to EP braking and renumbered 15018 for unit 5018 May‑53.
Replaced by TT 9651 (ex.4402), a 9-compartment ex. LSWR conversion
seating 90; overall unit capacity now 350 and unit now weighed
133 tons 8cwt. Unit withdrawn 1‑May‑54 and bodywork broken‑up
at Lancing? by 22‑May‑54. Underframes used in construction
of new 4 EPB vehicles: 8570 for 14271 (unit no.5136) Oct‑54, 8571
for 14273 (unit no.5137) Oct‑54, 9484 for 15260 (unit no.5132) Sep‑54
and 9651 for 15213 (unit no.5135) Sep‑54. |
|
4410 |
Unit disbanded 24‑Nov‑51 and TT 10302 formed
into new 4751 Nov‑51. Bodywork of all three 1931 coaches withdrawn and
broken‑up at Lancing? by 9‑Aug‑52 and their
underframes used in construction of new 4 EPB vehicles: 8580 for 14074 (unit
no.5037) Oct‑53, 8581 for 14075 (unit no.5038) Oct‑53 and 9663
for 15129 (unit no.5029) Aug‑53. |
This batch of
units were converted from 3 car motor units nos.1585 ‑ 1597
dating from 1934/5 and rebuilt from ex. LSWR bogie coaches dating from between
1895 and 1901. They consisted of a 7½-compartment MBT (75 seats), a
9-compartment TT [Downgraded TC with 1 third, 7 first and 1 third compts.] (90 seats) and a further 7½-compartment MBT
(75 seats). When augmented they seated 360 and weighed
138 tons 12cwt.
They were
withdrawn from 1950, the all-steel trailers being used in new 4 SUB units
or converted for use in 4 EPB units whilst most of the older coaches were
all withdrawn for scrapping at Newhaven, though quite a few underframes were
used in the construction of new 4 EPB vehicles.
Unit formations
were as follows:
|
Unit |
Old no. |
MBT |
TT |
TT |
MBT |
Withdrawn |
|
|
Diag. No. |
|
687 |
770 |
2013 |
687 |
|
|
|
4411 |
1585 |
9831 |
9766 |
|
9832 |
7-Aug-54 |
|
|
4412 |
1586 |
9833 |
9767 |
|
9834 |
9-Jan-54 |
|
|
4413 |
1587 |
9835 |
9768 |
10239 |
9836 |
7-Jul-51 |
|
|
4414 |
1588 |
9837 |
9769 |
10319 |
9838 |
15-Sep-51 |
|
|
4415 |
1589 |
9839 |
9770 |
10308 |
9840 |
25-Aug-51 |
|
|
4416 |
1590 |
9841 |
9771 |
|
9842 |
11-Jul-53 |
|
|
4417 |
1591 |
9843 |
9772 |
|
9844 |
17-Nov-51 |
|
|
4418 |
1592 |
|
9773 |
|
9846 |
20-Mar-54 |
|
|
4419 |
1593 |
9847 |
9774 |
10335 |
9848 |
9-Feb-52 |
|
|
4420 |
1594 |
9849 |
9775 |
|
9850 |
12-Jun-54 |
|
|
4421 |
1595 |
9851 |
9761 |
|
|
14-Oct-50 |
|
|
4422 |
1596 |
9854 |
9762 |
|
9853 |
1-Dec-51 |
|
|
4423 |
1597 |
9856 |
9763 |
|
9855 |
13-Oct-51 |
|
|
Notes: |
|||||||
|
49 = TT, Diagram 740. 50 = 9-compt. TT, Diagram 766. 51 = TT, Diagram 769. 52 = 9-compt. TT, Diagram 756. 53 = 8-compt. MBT, Diagram 671. 54 = 9-compt. TT, Diagram 760. |
55 = TT, Diagram 759. 56 = 8-compt. MBT, Diagram 683. 57 = 9-compt. augmentation trailer, Diagram 2314. 58 = 9-compt. TT, Diagram 766. 59 = 9-compt. TT,
Diagram 770. |
||||||
|
Individual Unit Notes |
|
|
4411 |
TT 10251 removed from unit Mar‑53 and converted to
EP braking and renumbered 15016 for unit 5016. Replaced by TT 10405 (ex.4134),
a 10-compartment vehicle seating 100 and weighing 27 tons 12cwt, overall
unit totals now being 340 third and 138 tons 4cwt. Unit withdrawn 7‑Aug‑54 and bodywork broken‑up
at Lancing by 4‑Sep‑54 and underframes used in construction of
new 4 EPB vehicles: 9766 for 15277 and 9832 for 14298 (both 5149)
Jan‑55, 9831 for 14292 (unit no.5146) Dec‑54, and 10405 for 15226
(unit no.5148) Dec‑54. |
|
4412 |
Unit formed with augmentation trailer 10280 30‑Jul‑47,
this coach used initially in 4511 prior to underframe modifications. TT 10280
removed from unit c.Jul‑53 and converted to EP braking and
renumbered 15032 for unit 5032 Sep-53. Replaced by TT 9306 (ex.4408), a 9-compartment
ex. LSWR conversion seating 90, overall unit capacity now 330. Unit withdrawn 9‑Jan‑54 and bodywork broken‑up
at Lancing? by 6‑Feb‑54. Underframes used in construction
of new 4 EPB vehicles: 9306 for 15265 (unit no.5137) Oct‑54, 9767
for 15209 (unit no.5131) Sep‑54, 9833 for 14415 (unit no.5208) Feb‑56
and 9834 for 14495 (unit no.5248) Dec‑56. |
|
4413 |
Unit formed with augmentation trailer 10239 13‑Mar‑47,
this coach used initially in 4424 prior to underframe modifications. Unit disbanded 7‑Jul‑51 and TT 10239 to new unit
4732. All three 1935 coaches withdrawn 17‑Nov‑51 and bodywork
broken‑up at Lancing by 22‑Dec‑51 and their underframes
used in construction of new 4 EPB vehicles: 9768 for 15131 (unit no.5031)
Aug‑53, 9835 for 14065 (unit no.5033) Sep‑53 and 9836 for 14064 (unit
no.5032) Aug‑53. |
|
4414 |
Unit withdrawn 15‑Sep‑51 and TT 10319 formed
into new 4742. All three 1935 coaches withdrawn and bodywork broken‑up
at Eastleigh by 18‑Mar‑53 and their underframes used in
construction of new 4 EPB vehicles: 9769 for 15139 (unit no.5039) Oct‑53,
9837 for 14424 (unit no.5212) Mar‑56 and 9838 for 14426 (unit no.5213)
Mar‑56. |
|
4415 |
Unit formed with augmentation trailer 10308 10‑Mar‑47,
this coach used initially in 4506. Unit withdrawn 25‑Aug‑51 and
TT 10308 formed into new 4737. TT 9770 to 4423. Both MBTs withdrawn
and bodywork broken‑up at Eastleigh by 18‑Mar‑53 and their
underframes used in construction of new 4 EPB vehicles: 9839 for 14500
and 9840 for 14499 (both 5250) Jan‑57. |
|
4416 |
TT 10312 formed into new 4607 c.Jun‑50 and replaced
by TT 9412 (ex.4320). This coach a 10-compartment ex. LSWR conversion
seating 100, overall unit capacity now 340 and weight
139 tons 4cwt. Unit withdrawn 11‑Jul‑53 and bodywork broken‑up
at Lancing? by 1‑Aug‑53 and their underframes used in
construction of new 4 EPB vehicles: 9412 for 15148 (unit no.5048) Dec‑53,
9771 for 15172 (unit no.5047) Dec‑53, 9841 for 14507 (unit no.5254) Feb‑57
and 9842 for 14504 (unit no.5252) Jan‑57. |
|
4417 |
TT 10345 removed from unit c.Jul‑51 and converted
to EP braking and renumbered 15002 for unit 5002 Feb‑52. Replaced
9619 (ex.4439), this coach a 9-compartment ex. SECR conversion seating 90,
unit then seating 330 and weighing 137 tons 14cwt. Unit withdrawn 17‑Nov‑51 and TT 9772 to 4573.
Bodywork of remaining three coaches scrapped, 9843 at Lancing? by 15‑Nov‑52
and 9844 and 9619 at Eastleigh by 18‑Mar‑53, and their
underframes used in construction of new 4 EPB vehicles: 9619 for 15125 (unit
no.5025) Jul‑53, 9843 for 14062 (unit no.5031) Aug‑53 and 9844
for 14054 (unit no.5027) Aug‑53. |
|
4418 |
Unit formed with augmentation trailer 10266 6‑May‑47,
this coach used initially in 4490 prior to underframe modifications. MBT 9845
to 4177 May‑52 (reason unknown) and replaced by 8562 (ex.4573)
Jun‑52, this coach an 8-compartment ex. LSWR conversion seating
80 third, unit then seated 365 and weighed 139 tons 4cwt.
TT 10266 removed from unit Mar‑53 and converted to EP braking and
renumbered 15024 for unit 5024 Jun‑53 and replaced by 9655 (ex.4405), a
9-compartment ex. LSWR conversion seating 90 third, unit total now being
335 third and weight 137 tons 4cwt. Unit withdrawn 20‑Mar‑54 and bodywork broken‑up
at Lancing? by 17‑Apr‑54. Underframes used in construction
of new 4 EPB vehicles: 8562 for 14419 (unit no.5210) Mar‑56, 9655
for 15261 (unit no.5133) Sep‑54, 9773 for 15219 (unit no.5141) Nov‑54
and 9846 for 14518 (unit no.5259) Mar‑57. |
|
4419 |
Unit disbanded 9‑Feb‑52 and TT 10335
converted to EP braking and renumbered 15008 for unit 5008 May‑52.
TT 9774 to 4567 Feb‑52. Bodywork of both MBTs withdrawn and broken‑up
at Eastleigh by 18‑Mar‑53 and their underframes used in
construction of new 4 EPB vehicles: 9847 for 14431 (unit no.5216) Apr‑56
and 9848 for 14430 (unit no.5215) Apr‑56. |
|
4420 |
TT 10298 removed from unit May‑53 and converted to
EP braking and renumbered 15026 for unit 5026 Jul‑53. Replaced by
TT 9345 (ex.4572), a 10-compartment ex. LSWR conversion seating 100
third, overall unit capacity now being 340 and weight
138 tons 2cwt. Unit withdrawn 12‑Jun‑54 and bodywork broken up at
Lancing?. Underframes used in construction of new 4 EPB vehicles:
9345 for 15273 (unit no.5145) Dec‑54, 9775 for 15267 (unit no.5139) Oct‑54,
9849 for 14288 and 9850 for 14287 (both 5144) Nov‑54. |
|
4421 |
Unit formed with augmentation trailer 10231 9‑Jan‑47,
this then removed for modifications 24‑Jul‑47 and replaced by new
10289. Displaced 10231 later to 4491 Aug‑47. Unit reformed (after
possible collision with 4591?) and MBT 9852 and TT 10289 both
exchanged with MBT 8574 and TT 11448, an 8-compartment ex. LSWR
conversion seating 80 third and a 9-compartment augmentation trailer
seating 90 third; unit total now being 335 third and weight
137 tons. Unit withdrawn 14‑Oct‑50 and TT 11448 to
4696, bodywork of remaining three coaches broken up at Lancing by 10‑Feb‑51
and their underframes used in construction of new 4 EPB vehicles: 8574
for 14067 and 9761 for 15159 (both 5034) Sep‑53 and 9851 for 14071 (unit
no.5036) Oct‑53. |
|
4422 |
TT 10253 removed from unit c.Jul‑51 and converted
to EP braking and renumbered 15006 for unit 5006 Apr‑52. Replaced by
TT 9305 (ex.4407), a 9-compartment ex. LSWR conversion seating
90 third, overall unit capacity now being 330 third. Unit disbanded 1‑Dec‑51 and TT 9762 to unit
4526, bodywork of remaining three coaches scrapped, both MBTs at Lancing?
by 22‑Nov‑52 and TT in Apr‑53 and their underframes
used in construction of new 4 EPB vehicles: 9305 for 15123 and 9854 for
14046 (both 5023) Jun‑53, 9853 for 14040 (unit no.5020) May‑53. |
|
4423 |
TT 10316 removed from unit c.Jul‑51 and formed into
new 4746 Oct‑51. Replaced by 9770 (ex.4415), an identical 9-compartment
TT to the other in the unit, seating 90; overall unit capacity now being 330.
Unit withdrawn 13‑Oct‑51 and bodywork of all four
coaches broken‑up at Eastleigh by 18‑Mar‑53 and their
underframes used in construction of new 4 EPB vehicles: 9763 for 15145 (unit
no.5045) Nov‑53, 9770 for 15138 (unit no.5038) Oct‑53, 9855 for
14491 (unit no.5246) Nov‑56 and 9856 for 14496 (unit no.5248) Dec‑56. |
This batch of
units were converted from 3 car motor units nos.1579 ‑ 1584
dating from 1937 and rebuilt from ex. LSWR bogie coaches dating from between
1895 and 1902. They consisted of an 8-compartment MBT (80 seats), a
9-compartment TT [Downgraded TC with 1 third, 7 first and 1 third compts.] (90 seats) and a further 8-compartment MBT
(80 seats). When augmented they seated 370 and weighed 140 tons.
This batch of
units retained the electro-pneumatic control gear of units 1579 ‑ 1584,
hence their late withdrawal in the programme. They were withdrawn early in 1956
and the all‑steel trailers converted for use in new 4 EPB units,
whilst all the older vehicles were scrapped at Newhaven and their underframes
used for new 4 EPB vehicles.
Unit formations
were as follows:
|
Unit |
Old no. |
MBT |
TT |
TT |
MBT |
Withdrawn |
|
Diag. No. |
|
689 |
770 |
2013 |
689 |
|
|
4424 |
1579 |
9789 |
9671 |
|
9790 |
7-Apr-56 |
|
4425 |
1580 |
9791 |
9672 |
10246 |
9792 |
24-Mar-56 |
|
4426 |
1581 |
9793 |
9673 |
|
9794 |
17-Mar-56 |
|
4427 |
1582 |
9795 |
9674 |
|
9796 |
28-Apr-56 |
|
4428 |
1583 |
9798 |
9759 |
10299 |
9797 |
14-Apr-56 |
|
4429 |
1584 |
9799 |
9760 |
10283 |
9800 |
21-Apr-56 |
|
Individual Unit Notes |
|
|
4424 |
Unit formed with augmentation trailer 10239 4‑Feb‑47,
this then removed for modifications 12‑Feb‑47 and replaced by new
10260. Displaced 10239 later to 4413 13‑Mar‑47. Unit withdrawn 7‑Apr‑56 and TT 10260
converted to EP braking and renumbered 15050 for unit 5232 Aug‑56.
Bodywork of remaining three coaches broken‑up at Newhaven by 12‑May‑56.
Underframes used in construction of new 4 EPB vehicles: 9671 for 15438 (unit
no.5250) Jan‑57, 9789 for 14485 and 9790 for 14486 (both 5243) Nov‑56. |
|
4425 |
Unit withdrawn 24‑Mar‑56 and TT 10246
converted to EP braking and renumbered 15039 for unit 5221 May‑56.
Bodywork of remaining three coaches broken‑up at Newhaven by 5‑May‑56.
Underframes used in construction of new 4 EPB vehicles: 9672 for 15422 (unit
no.5234) Sep‑56, 9791 for 14462 (unit no.5231) Aug‑56 and 9792
for 14463 (unit no.5232) Aug‑56. |
|
4426 |
Unit formed with augmentation trailer 10299, this then to 4428
and replaced by new 10285 (reason unknown). Unit withdrawn 17‑Mar‑56 and TT 10285
converted to EP braking and renumbered 15040 for unit 5222 Jun‑56.
Bodywork of remaining three coaches broken‑up at Newhaven by 21‑Apr‑56.
Underframes used in construction of new 4 EPB vehicles: 9673 for 15417
and 9793 for 14458 (both 5229) Jul‑56, 9794 for 14460 (unit no.5230)
Aug‑56. |
|
4427 |
Unit formed with augmentation trailer 10282 1‑Feb‑47,
this then removed for modifications 3‑Apr‑47 and replaced by
10275 which had run initially in 4460 prior to underframe modifications.
Displaced 10282 later to 4444 May‑47. Unit withdrawn 28‑Apr‑56 and TT 10275
converted to EP braking and renumbered 15043 for unit 5225 Jun‑56.
Bodywork of remaining three coaches broken‑up at Newhaven by 2‑Jun‑56.
Underframes used in construction of new 4 EPB vehicles: 9674 for 15424
and 9795 for 14471 (both 5236) Sep‑56, 9796 for 14470 (unit no.5235)
Sep‑56. |
|
4428 |
Unit formed with augmentation trailer 10299, used initially in
4426. Unit withdrawn 14‑Apr‑56 and TT 10299 converted to
EP braking and renumbered 15048 for unit 5230 Aug‑56. Bodywork of
remaining three coaches broken‑up at Newhaven by 12‑May‑56.
Underframes used in construction of new 4 EPB vehicles: 9759 for 15445
and 9798 for 14513 (both 5257) Mar‑57, 9797 for 14516 (unit no.5258)
Mar‑57. |
|
4429 |
Unit formed with augmentation trailer 10283 12‑Mar‑47,
this coach had run initially in 4481 prior to underframe modifications. Unit
withdrawn 21‑Apr‑56 and TT 10283 converted to
EP braking and renumbered 15042 for unit 5224 Jun‑56. Bodywork of
remaining three coaches broken‑up at Newhaven by 26‑May‑56.
Underframes used in construction of new 4 EPB vehicles: 9760 for 15425
and 9800 for 14474 (both 5237) Oct‑56, 9799 for 14475 (unit no.5238)
Oct‑56. |
These two units
were converted from 3 car motor units nos.1795 and 1796 dating from
October 1932 and rebuilt from ex. LSWR six‑wheeled suburban coaches
dating from between 1897 and 1901. They consisted of an 8-compartment MBT (80
seats), a 9-compartment TT [Downgraded TC with 2 third and 7 first compts.] (90 seats) and a further 8-compartment MBT
(80 seats). When augmented they seated 370 and weighed 135 tons 8cwt.
They were
withdrawn in 1951 with the all-steel trailers going into new 4 SUB units
and the underframes of the older coaches being used for 4 EPB units.
Unit formations
were as follows:
|
Unit |
Old no. |
MBT |
TT |
TT |
MBT |
Withdrawn |
|
Diag. No. |
|
683 |
766 |
2013 |
683 |
|
|
4430 |
1795 |
8582 |
9664 |
10269 |
8583 |
20-Oct-51 |
|
4431 |
1796 |
8584 |
9665 |
|
8585 |
3-Nov-51 |
|
Individual Unit Notes |
|
|
4430 |
Unit formed with augmentation trailer 10269 13‑Mar‑47
(used initially in 4478 prior to underframe modifications). Unit disbanded 20‑Oct‑51 and TT 10269 formed
into new 4747. Bodywork of remaining three coaches broken‑up,
TT 9664 at Lancing? by 7‑Mar‑53 and both MBTs at
Eastleigh by 18‑Mar‑53. Underframes used in construction of new
4 EPB vehicles: 8582 for 14498 (unit no.5249) Jan‑57, 8583 for
14368 (unit no.5184) Oct‑55 and 9664 for 15162 (unit no.5037) Oct‑53. |
|
4431 |
Unit formed with augmentation trailer 10278 23‑Jan‑47,
this then removed for modifications 16‑Apr‑47 and replaced by
10268 (used initially in 4438 prior to underframe modifications). Displaced
10278 later to 4510. Unit disbanded 3‑Nov‑51 and TT 10268 formed
into new 4749. Bodywork of remaining three coaches broken‑up at
Lancing? by 7‑Mar‑53. Underframes used in construction of new
4 EPB vehicles: 8584 for 14413 and 8585 for 14414 (both 5207) Fen‑56,
9665 for 15164 (unit no.5039) Oct‑53. |
This large
batch of 70 units were converted from 3 car motor units nos.1401 ‑ 1496
and 1525 ‑ 1534 dating from 1925/6 and rebuilt from ex. SECR 4
and 6 wheeled coaches dating from between about 1898 and 1901. They consisted
of an 8-compartment MBT (80 seats), a 9-compartment TT [Downgraded TC with 1
third, 7 first and 1 third compts.] (90 seats)
and a further 8-compartment MBT (80 seats). When augmented they seated 370 and
weighed 137½ tons.
This batch
differed from the others in the 4401 ‑ 4516 range by being
equipped with ‘Eastern’ type motorbogies and fitted
with DK77 motors, with the pre-war coaches all mounted on ‘Ashford‘ 7’ 3”
wide frames. They were withdrawn between 1949 and 1951 with the all-steel
trailers being used in new 4 SUB units, virtually all the older vehicle
underframes going into new 4 SUB and 4 EPB units.
Unit formations
were as follows:
|
Unit |
Old no. |
MBT |
TT |
TT |
MBT |
Withdrawn |
|
|
Diag. No. |
|
662 |
755 |
2013 |
662 |
|
|
|
4432 |
1402 |
8230 |
9518 |
10306 |
8229 |
10-Mar-51 |
|
|
Diag. No. |
|
|
754 |
|
|
|
|
|
4433 |
1403 |
8231 |
9501 |
10258 |
8232 |
1-Jul-50 |
|
|
4434 |
1405 |
8235 |
9502 |
|
8236 |
24-Feb-51 |
|
|
4435 |
1407 |
8240 |
9524 |
10249 |
8239 |
3-Jun-50 |
|
|
Diag. No. |
|
|
755 |
|
|
|
|
|
4436 |
1409 |
8243 |
9513 |
|
8244 |
1-Jul-50 |
|
|
4437 |
1410 |
8246 |
9546 |
10243 |
8245 |
24-Mar-51 |
|
|
Diag. No. |
|
665 |
|
|
665 |
|
|
|
4438 |
1411 |
8248 |
9554 |
|
8247 |
24-Jun-50 |
|
|
4439(1) |
1412 |
8249 |
9509 |
10255 |
8250 |
21-Feb-49 |
|
|
Diag. No. |
|
663 |
756 |
|
663 |
|
|
|
4439(2) |
1601 |
8495 |
9619 |
10255 |
8496 |
1-Sep-51 |
|
|
Diag. No. |
|
665 |
754 |
|
665 |
|
|
|
4440 |
1413 |
8252 |
9534 |
10290 |
8251 |
26-Aug-50 |
|
|
Diag. No. |
|
662 |
755 |
|
|
|
|
|
4441 |
1414 |
8254 |
9506 |
|
8372 |
26-May-51 |
|
|
Diag. No. |
|
665 |
|
|
|
|
|
|
4442(1) |
1415 |
|
|
|
|
Feb-48 |
|
|
Diag. No. |
|
662 |
754 |
|
662 |
|
|
|
4442(2) |
1525 |
8475 |
9609 |
10242 |
8476 |
Apr-50 |
|
|
Diag. No. |
|
665 |
|
|
665 |
|
|
|
4443 |
1416 |
8258 |
9532 |
10330 |
8257 |
27-Jan-51 |
|
|
Diag. No. |
|
666 |
|
|
|
|
|
|
4444 |
1417 |
8260 |
9528 |
|
8299 |
14-Oct-50 |
|
|
Diag. No. |
|
|
755 |
|
666 |
|
|
|
4445 |
1418 |
8261 |
9552 |
|
8262 |
16-Jun-51 |
|
|
4446 |
1419 |
8264 |
9523 |
|
8263 |
14-Oct-50 |
|
|
Diag. No. |
|
|
754 |
|
|
|
|
|
4447 |
1420 |
8266 |
9526 |
10339 |
8265 |
21-Apr-51 |
|
|
4448 |
1422 |
8269 |
9493 |
10240 |
8270 |
Apr-50 |
|
|
Diag. No. |
|
|
755 |
|
|
|
|
|
4449 |
1423 |
8271 |
9514 |
10307 |
8272 |
24-Feb-51 |
|
|
Diag. No. |
|
|
754 |
|
|
|
|
|
4450 |
1424 |
8274 |
9487 |
10294 |
8273 |
3-Feb-51 |
|
|
Diag. No. |
|
662 |
|
|
|
|
|
|
4451 |
1426 |
8377 |
9573 |
|
8277 |
19-May-51 |
|
|
Diag. No. |
|
666 |
755 |
|
|
|
|
|
4452 |
1429 |
8284 |
9548 |
10233 |
|
30-Dec-50 |
|
|
Diag. No. |
|
|
754 |
|
|
|
|
|
4453 |
1431 |
8288 |
9565 |
10271 |
8287 |
16-Dec-50 |
|
|
Diag. No. |
|
|
755 |
|
|
|
|
|
4454 |
1433 |
8292 |
9512 |
10279 |
8291 |
17-Jun-50 |
|
|
Diag. No. |
|
662 |
754 |
|
|
|
|
|
4455 |
1434 |
8485 |
9571 |
|
8293 |
18-Nov-50 |
|
|
Diag. No. |
|
666 |
|
|
|
|
|
|
4456 |
1435 |
8295 |
9563 |
|
8296 |
2-Jun-51 |
|
|
Diag. No. |
|
665 |
|
|
|
|
|
|
4457 |
1436 |
8298 |
9560 |
10344 |
8297 |
17-Jun-50 |
|
|
Diag. No. |
|
|
755 |
|
|
|
|
|
4458 |
1437 |
8300 |
9550 |
|
8259 |
2-Sep-50 |
|
|
Diag. No. |
|
|
754 |
|
665 |
|
|
|
4459 |
1439 |
8304 |
9538 |
10236 |
8303 |
11-Nov-50 |
|
|
4460 |
1441 |
8308 |
9570 |
|
8307 |
28-Oct-50 |
|
|
4461 |
1442 |
8309 |
9522 |
10343 |
8310 |
23-Dec-50 |
|
|
Diag. No. |
|
|
754 |
|
|
|
|
|
4462 |
1443 |
8311 |
9495 |
|
8312 |
Apr-50 |
|
|
Diag. No. |
|
|
755 |
|
|
|
|
|
4463 |
1444 |
8313 |
9555 |
|
8314 |
16-Jun-51 |
|
|
Diag. No. |
|
|
754 |
|
|
|
|
|
4464 |
1446 |
8318 |
9544 |
|
8317 |
26-Aug-50 |
|
|
4465 |
1447 |
8319 |
9541 |
|
8320 |
May-50 |
|
|
4466 |
1450 |
8326 |
9539 |
|
8325 |
18-Nov-50 |
|
|
Diag. No. |
|
662 |
|
|
662 |
|
|
|
4467 |
1451 |
8328 |
9535 |
10274 |
8327 |
9-Sep-50 |
|
|
4468 |
1452 |
|
9503 |
10334 |
8329 |
21-Oct-50 |
|
|
4469 |
1453 |
8331 |
9574 |
10317 |
8332 |
23-Dec-50 |
|
|
4470 |
1455 |
8335 |
9499 |
10340 |
8391 |
14-Apr-51 |
|
|
Diag. No. |
|
|
755 |
|
|
|
|
|
4471 |
1456 |
8337 |
9547 |
10336 |
8338 |
2-Jun-51 |
|
|
4472 |
1457 |
8349 |
9551 |
10247 |
8339 |
8-Jul-50 |
|
|
Diag. No. |
|
|
754 |
|
|
|
|
|
4473 |
1459 |
8343 |
9559 |
|
8344 |
30-Sep-50 |
|
|
4474 |
1460 |
8346 |
9537 |
10318 |
|
15-Jul-50 |
|
|
4475 |
1464 |
8354 |
9492 |
10331 |
8353 |
2-Dec-50 |
|
|
Diag. No. |
|
|
755 |
|
|
|
|
|
4476 |
1466 |
8357 |
9507 |
10235 |
8358 |
26-May-51 |
|
|
Diag. No. |
|
|
754 |
|
|
|
|
|
4477 |
1467 |
8359 |
9485 |
|
8360 |
16-Sep-50 |
|
|
4478 |
1468 |
8362 |
9561 |
|
8361 |
2-Jun-51 |
|
|
4479 |
1469 |
8364 |
9504 |
10295 |
8363 |
9-Dec-50 |
|
|
4480 |
1471 |
8367 |
9558 |
10337 |
8368 |
Mar-50 |
|
|
Diag. No. |
|
|
755 |
|
|
|
|
|
4481 |
1472 |
|
9557 |
|
8370 |
3-Feb-51 |
|
|
Diag. No. |
|
|
754 |
|
666 |
|
|
|
4482 |
1475 |
8375 |
9529 |
10329 |
8282 |
4-Nov-50 |
|
|
4483 (1) |
1477 |
8379 |
9556 |
10310 |
8380 |
21-Feb-49 |
|
|
Diag. No. |
|
663 |
757 |
|
678 |
|
|
|
4483 (2) |
1610 |
8514 |
9628 |
10310 |
8710 |
25-Aug-51 |
|
|
Diag. No. |
|
662 |
754 |
|
662 |
|
|
|
4484 |
1478 |
8381 |
9500 |
10325 |
8382 |
c.Apr-50 |
|
|
Diag. No. |
|
|
755 |
|
|
|
|
|
4485 |
1480 |
8385 |
9515 |
10301 |
8386 |
16-Sep-50 |
|
|
Diag. No. |
|
666 |
|
|
|
|
|
|
4486 |
1483 |
8279 |
9508 |
10327 |
8392 |
14-Oct-50 |
|
|
Diag. No. |
|
662 |
|
|
|
|
|
|
4487 |
1484 |
8393 |
9520 |
|
8394 |
3-Jun-50 |
|
|
4488 |
1485 |
8395 |
9516 |
|
8396 |
20-May-50 |
|
|
Diag. No. |
|
|
754 |
|
|
|
|
|
4489 |
1486 |
8397 |
9569 |
|
8398 |
17-Feb-51 |
|
|
4490 |
1488 |
8401 |
9491 |
|
8402 |
20-May-50 |
|
|
4491 |
1489 |
8404 |
9494 |
|
8403 |
23-Dec-50 |
|
|
Diag. No. |
|
|
755 |
|
|
|
|
|
4492 |
1490 |
8405 |
9521 |
|
8406 |
16-Jun-51 |
|
|
Diag. No. |
|
|
754 |
|
|
|
|
|
4493 |
1491 |
8408 |
9530 |
10342 |
8407 |
20-Jan-51 |
|
|
4494 |
1493 |
8412 |
9578 |
10323 |
8411 |
22-Jul-50 |
|
|
4495 |
1526 |
8478 |
9612 |
|
8477 |
17-Jun-50 |
|
|
4496 |
1527 |
8480 |
9611 |
10303 |
8479 |
30-Sep-50 |
|
|
4497 |
1529 |
8484 |
9617 |
10321 |
8483 |
12-Aug-50 |
|
|
4498 |
1531 |
8488 |
9613 |
|
8487 |
9-Sep-50 |
|
|
4499 |
1532 |
8490 |
9614 |
10304 |
8489 |
12-Aug-50 |
|
|
4500 |
1533 |
8492 |
9616 |
10311 |
8491 |
9-Dec-50 |
|
|
4501 |
1534 |
8494 |
9615 |
10341 |
8493 |
21-Apr-51 |
|
|
Notes: |
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|
60 =
9-compt. TT, Diagram 754. 61 = 9-compt. TT, Diagram 754. 62 = 9-compt.
TT, Diagram 754. 63 = MBT Diagram 662. 64
= 9-compt. TT, Diagram 754. |
65 =
9-compt. TT, Diagram 754. 66 = 9-compt.
augmentation trailer, Diagram 2314. 67
= 9-compt. TT, Diagram 754. 68
= 9-compt. TT, Diagram 754. |
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|
Individual Unit Notes |
|
|
4432 |
Unit disbanded 10‑Mar‑51 and TT 10306 formed
into new 4717. Bodywork of all three 1925 coaches withdrawn 14‑Jul‑51
and broken‑up at Lancing by 21‑Jul‑51 and their underframes
used in construction of new 4 EPB vehicles: 8229 for 14041 (unit
no.5021) May‑53, 8230 for 14059 (unit no.5030) Aug‑53 and 9518
for 15128 (unit no.5028) Aug‑53. |
|
4433 |
Unit disbanded 1‑Jul‑50 and TT 10258 formed
into new 4675, TT 9501 to unit 4444. Bodywork of both MBTs, (also
TT 9501 returned ex.4444) all withdrawn 20‑Jan‑51 and
broken‑up at Lancing by 27‑Jan‑51 and their underframes
used in construction of new 4 SUB vehicles: 8231 for 8638 (4746) Oct‑51,
8232 for 8642 (4748) Oct‑51. |
|
4434 |
Unit formed with augmentation trailer 10276 21‑Jan-47,
this then removed for modifications 24-Feb-47 and replaced by new 10300.
Displaced 10276 later to 4441. Unit disbanded 24‑Feb‑51 and TT 10300 formed
into new 4716. Bodywork of all three 1925 coaches withdrawn 14-Apr-51 and
broken‑up at Lancing by 28-Apr-51 and their underframes used in
construction of new 4 SUB vehicles: 8235 for 8624 (4739) Aug-51, 8236
for 8628 (4741) Aug-51 and 9502 for 9016 (4736) Aug-51. |
|
4435 |
Unit disbanded 3-Jun-50 and TT 10249 formed into new
4670. Bodywork of all three 1925 coaches withdrawn 7‑Oct-50 and broken‑up
at Lancing by 14‑Oct-50 and their underframes used in construction of
new 4 SUB vehicles: 8239 for 12762 (4715) Feb-51, 8240 for 12763 (4716)
Feb-51 and 9524 for 8992 (4712) Jan-51. |
|
4436 |
Unit formed with augmentation trailer ?????, this then
removed and replaced by 10230 18-Aug-47 (used initially in 4488 prior to
underframe modifications). Displaced ????? later to 4???. Unit disbanded 1-Jul-50 and TT 10230 formed into new
4676. Bodywork of all three 1925 coaches withdrawn 21‑Oct-50 and broken‑up
at Lancing by 28‑Oct-50 and their underframes used in construction of
new 4 SUB vehicles: 8243 for 8640 (4747) Oct-51, 8244 for 8643 (4748)
Oct-51 and 9513 for 9029 (4749) Oct-51. |
|
4437 |
Unit formed with augmentation trailer 10243 14-May-47 (used
initially in 4505 prior to underframe modifications). Unit damaged in
collision (where?) c.Nov-47 and at Micheldever Dec-47 awaiting
repairs. Unit disbanded 24-Mar-51 and TT 10243 formed into new
4719. Bodywork of all three 1925 coaches withdrawn 7-Jul-51 and broken‑up
at Lancing by 14-Jul-51 and their underframes used in construction of new
4 EPB vehicles: 8245 for 14034 (unit no.5017) Apr-53, 8246 for 14019 (unit
no.5010) Jun-52 and 9546 for 15116 (unit no.5016) Apr-53. |
|
4438 |
Unit formed with augmentation trailer 10268 20‑Jan-47,
this then removed for modifications 18-Mar-47 and replaced by new 10296.
Displaced 10268 later to 4431. Unit disbanded 24-Jun-50 and TT 10296 formed into new
4674. Bodywork of all three 1925 coaches withdrawn 30-Sep-50 and broken‑up
at Lancing by 7‑Oct-50 and their underframes used in construction of
new 4 SUB vehicles: 8247 for 8649 (4751) Nov-51, 8248 for 8647 (4750)
Nov-51 and 9554 for 9032 (4752) Nov-51. |
|
4439 |
MBT 8250 damaged in collision with 4483 at Cannon Street
21-Feb-49 and unit disbanded Mar-49 and TT 10255 to second unit 4439.
Remaining three coaches all withdrawn at Lancing and their bodies broken‑up
there, TT 9509 withdrawn and broken‑up 11-Jun-49, MBT 8249
withdrawn 1-Apr-50 and broken‑up 8-Apr-50 and MBT 8250 withdrawn
23-Mar-50 and broken‑up 1-Apr-50 and underframe then repaired. All
their underframes used in construction of new 4 SUB vehicles: 8249 for
12690 (4679) Jul-50, 8250 for 12696 (4682) Aug-50 and 9509 for 12382 (4642)
Oct-49. A ‘new’ 4439 formed Apr-49 using 3 coach unit 1601 augmented
by 10255 once again. Unit had identical compartment layout but now weighed
134 tons 12cwt. This unit withdrawn 1-Sep-51 and TT 10255 formed into new
unit 4740. TT 9619 to 4417, bodywork of both MBTs withdrawn and broken‑up
at Eastleigh by 18-Mar-53 and their underframes used in construction of new
4 EPB vehicles: 8495 for 14086 (unit no.5043) and 8496 for 14088 (unit
no.5044) both Nov-53. |
|
4440 |
Unit disbanded 26-Aug-50 and TT 10290 formed into new
4683. Bodywork of all three 1925 coaches withdrawn 16-Sep-50 and broken‑up
at Lancing by 30-Sep-50 and their underframes used in construction of new
4 SUB vehicles: 8251 for 12754 (4711) Jan-51, 8252 for 12755 (4712)
Jan-51 and 9534 for 8989 (4709) Dec-50. |
|
4441 |
Unit formed with augmentation trailer 10276 9-Apr-47, this
coach had initially run in 4434 prior to underframe modifications.
TT 10276 formed into new 4602 Apr-50 and replaced by TT 9609 (ex.4442),
an identical ex. SECR conversion to the other trailer in the unit, this a 9-compartment
coach seating 90, overall unit capacity now being 340 and overall weight
reduced to 137 tons. Unit withdrawn 26-May-51 and bodywork of all four coaches
withdrawn between 9-Jun-51 (TT 9609) and 30-Jun-51 (other three) and
broken‑up at Lancing by 7-Jul-51 and their underframes used in
construction of new 4 EPB vehicles:- 8254 for 14003 (unit no.5002)
Mar-52, 8372 for 14016 (unit no.5008) May-52, 9506 for 15104 (unit no.5004)
Mar-52 and 9609 for 15111 (unit no.5011) Jun-52. |
|
4442 |
Unit formed with augmentation trailer ?????, this then
removed and replaced by 10242 (used initially in 4462 prior to underframe
modifications). Displaced ????? later to 4???. Unit involved in collision with 4607 at Crayford 11-Feb-48 and
disbanded. MBT 8255 withdrawn and scrapped on site. TT 9505 to new
4256 Mar-48, MBT 8256 to 1408 Nov-48. A ‘new’ 4442 formed Mar-48 using
3 coach unit 1525 augmented by 10242 once again. This unit disbanded Apr-50 and TT 10242 to new 4602(2),
TT 9609 to 4441. Bodywork of both MBTs withdrawn and broken‑up at
‘London Bridge’ by 19-Aug-50 and their underframes used in construction of
new 4 SUB vehicles: 8475 for 12748 (4708) Dec-50 and 8476 for 12757
(4713) Jan-51. |
|
4443 |
Unit disbanded 27‑Jan-51 and TT 10330 formed into
new 4711. Bodywork of all three 1925 coaches withdrawn 10-Mar-51 and broken‑up
at Lancing by 17-Mar-51 and their underframes used in construction of new
4 SUB vehicles: 8257 for 12792 (4730) Jun-51, 8258 for 12790 (4729)
Jun-51 and 9532 for 9013 (4733) Jul-51. |
|
4444 |
Unit formed with augmentation trailer 10282, this coach used
initially in 4427 prior to underframe modifications. TT 10282 formed
into new 4690 Sep-50 and replaced by TT 9501 (ex.4433) c.Jun‑50,
an identical ex. SECR conversion to the other trailer in the unit, this a 9-compartment
coach seating 90, overall unit capacity now being 340 and overall weight
reduced to 137 tons. Unit withdrawn 14‑Oct-50 and bodywork of all four
coaches withdrawn 2-Dec-50 and broken‑up at Lancing by 9-Dec-50 (though
TT 9501 may have returned to withdrawn unit 4433 as its withdrawal date
of 20‑Jan-51 and break-up date of 27‑Jan-51 coincided with those
of that unit) and their underframes used in construction of new
4 SUB vehicles: 8260 for 12781 (4725) May-51, 8299 for 12780 (4724)
May-51, 9501 for 9006 (4726) May-51 and 9528 for 8999 (4719) Mar-51. |
|
4445 |
Unit formed with augmentation trailer 10263 23-Dec-46, this
then removed for modifications 1-Apr-47 and replaced by 10265 which had run
initially in 4451 prior to underframe modifications. Displaced 10263 later to
4446. TT 10265 formed into new 4604(2) May-50 and replaced by
TT 9500 (ex.4484), an identical ex. SECR conversion to the other trailer
in the unit, this a 9-compartment vehicle seating 90 third, overall unit
capacity now being 340 and overall weight reduced to 137 tons. Unit withdrawn 16-Jun-51 and bodywork of all four coaches
withdrawn between 8-Sep-51 and 15-Sep-51 and broken‑up at Lancing
between 22-Sep-51 and 29-Sep-51 and their underframes used in construction of
new 4 EPB vehicles: 8261 for 14042 (unit no.5021) May-53, 8262 for 14033
(unit no.5017) Apr-53, 9500 for 15120 (unit no.5020) May-53 and 9552 for
15106 (unit no.5006) Apr-52. |
|
4446 |
Unit formed with augmentation trailer ?????, this then
removed 7-May-47 and replaced by 10263. Displaced ????? later to 4???.
10263 had run initially in 4445 prior to underframe modifications. Unit disbanded 14‑Oct-50 and TT 10263 formed into
new 4694. Bodywork of TT 9523 withdrawn 19-May-51 and broken‑up at
Lancing and its underframe used in construction of new 4 SUB vehicle 9034
(4754) Nov-51. Bodywork of both MBTs also withdrawn 1-Sep-51 and broken‑up
at Lancing by 1-Sep-51 and their underframes used in construction of new
4 EPB vehicles: 8263 for 14045 (unit no.5023) Jun-53 and 8264 for 14039 (unit
no.5020) May-53. |
|
4447 |
Unit disbanded 21-Apr-51 and TT 10339 formed into new
4721. Bodywork of all three 1925 coaches withdrawn 26-May-51 and broken‑up
at Lancing by 2-Jun-51 and their underframes used in construction of new
4 EPB vehicles: 8265 for 14018 (unit no.5009) May-52, 8266 for
14028 (unit no.5014) Aug-52 and 9526 for 15101 (unit no.5001) Nov-51. |
|
4448 |
Unit disbanded Apr-50 and TT 10240 formed into new unit
4601(2). TT 9493 to unit 4492. Bodywork of both MBTs withdrawn and
broken‑up at Lancing by 23-Sep-50 and their underframes used in
construction of new 4 EPB vehicles: 8269 for 14056 (unit no.5028) and
8270 for 14057 (unit no.5029) both in Aug-53. |
|
4449 |
Unit disbanded 24‑Feb‑51 and TT 10307 formed
into new 4715. Bodywork of all three 1925 coaches withdrawn 3-Mar-51 and
broken‑up at Lancing by 10-Mar-51 and their underframes used in
construction of new 4 SUB vehicles: 8271 for 8639 (4746) Oct-51, 8272
for 8623 (4738) Aug-51 and 9514 for 9022 (4742) Sep-51. |
|
4450 |
Unit disbanded 3-Feb-51 and TT 10294 formed into new
4712. Bodywork of all three 1925 coaches withdrawn 24‑Feb‑51 and
broken‑up at Lancing by 3-Mar-51 and their underframes used in
construction of new 4 SUB vehicles: 8273 for 8625 (4739) Aug-51, 8274
for 12798 (4733) Jul-51 and 9487 for 9012 (4732) Jun-51. |
|
4451 |
Unit formed with augmentation trailer 10265 25-Dec-46, this
then removed for modifications 25-Feb-47 and replaced by new 10284 after
underframe modifications. Displaced 10265 later to 4445 Apr-47. 10284 had not
run in traffic prior to underframe modifications. Unit disbanded 19-May-51 and TT 10284 formed into new
4724. Bodywork of TT 9573 withdrawn 12-May-51 and broken‑up at
Lancing by 31-May-51 and underframe used in construction of new 4 SUB
vehicle 9023 (4743) Sep-51. Bodywork of both MBTs withdrawn 15-Sep-51 and
broken‑up at Lancing by 29-Sep-51 and their underframes used in
construction of new 4 EPB vehicles: 8277 for 14029 (unit no.5015) Sep-52
and 8377 for 14012 (unit no.5006) Apr-52. |
|
4452 |
Unit formed with augmentation trailer 10233 8‑Jan-47.
This coach had underframe modifications at Eastleigh whilst whole unit in
works. Unit damaged in collision at Spa Road 22‑Jan-47 when hit
by I3 loco 2028 and MBT 8283 badly damaged and withdrawn, being scrapped at
New Cross Gate 25‑Jan-47. Replaced by 8366 (ex. withdrawn
1470). Unit disbanded 30-Dec-50 and TT 10233 formed into
new 4709. Bodywork of all three 1925 coaches withdrawn 25-Aug-51 and broken‑up
at Lancing by 8-Sep-51 and their underframes used in construction of new
4 EPB vehicles: 8284 for 14024 (unit no.5012) Jul-52, 8366 for
14030 and 9548 for 15115 (both 5015) Sep-52. |
|
4453 |
Unit formed with augmentation trailer 10271 11-Mar-47, this
coach had run initially in 4502 prior to underframe modifications. Unit withdrawn 16-Dec-50 and TT 10271 formed into new
4705. Bodywork of all three 1925 coaches withdrawn 27‑Jan-51 and broken‑up
at Lancing by 3-Feb-51 and their underframes used in construction of new
4 SUB vehicles: 8287 for 8637 (4745) Sep-51, 8288 for 8635 (4744) Sep-51
and 9565 for 9027 (4747) Oct-51. |
|
4454 |
Unit formed with augmentation trailer 10279 28-Mar-47, this
coach had run initially in 4465 prior to underframe modifications. Unit disbanded 17-Jun-50 and TT 10279 formed into new
4671. Bodywork of all three 1925 coaches withdrawn 2-Dec-50 and broken‑up
at Lancing by that date and their underframes used in construction of new
4 SUB vehicles: 8291 for 12770 and 8292 for 12769 (both 4719)
Mar-51 and 9512 for 8998 (4718) Mar-51. |
|
4455 |
Unit formed with augmentation trailer 10277 24‑Jan-47,
this then removed for modifications 1-Jul-47 and replaced by new 10250.
Displaced 10277 later to 4503. Unit disbanded 18‑Nov-50 and TT 10250 formed into
new 4700. Bodywork of both MBTs withdrawn 6‑Jan-51 and broken‑up
at Lancing by 20‑Jan-51 and their underframes used in construction of
new 4 SUB vehicles: 8293 for 8636 (4745) Sep-51 and 8485 for 8652 (4753)
Nov-51. Bodywork of TT 9571 also withdrawn and broken‑up with the
MBTs and underframe used in construction of new 4 EPB vehicle 15130 (unit
no.5030) Aug-53. |
|
4456 |
TT 10297 to new 4603(2) Apr-50 and replaced by
TT 9495 (ex.4462), an identical ex. SECR conversion to the other trailer
in the unit, this being a 9-compartment vehicle seating 90 third, overall
unit capacity now being 340 and overall weight reduced to 137 tons. Unit withdrawn 2-Jun-51 and bodywork of all four coaches
broken‑up at Lancing by 6‑Oct-51 and their underframes used in
construction of new 4 EPB vehicles: 8295 for 14021 (unit no.5011)
Jun-52, 8296 for 14010 (unit no.5005) Apr-52, 9563 for 15107 (unit no.5007)
Apr-52 and 9495 for 15119 (unit no.5019) May-53. |
|
4457 |
Unit disbanded 17-Jun-50 and TT 10344 formed into new
4673. Underframes of all three 1925 coaches withdrawn 28‑Oct-50 and
broken‑up at Lancing by that date and their underframes used in
construction of new 4 SUB vehicles: 8297 for 12764 and 9560 for 8996
(both 4716) Feb-51, 8298 for 12768 (4718) Mar-51. |
|
4458 |
Unit formed with augmentation trailer 10273 11‑Jan-47,
this then removed for modifications 15-Jul-47 and replaced by new 10314.
Displaced 10273 later to 4512. Unit disbanded 2-Sep-50 and TT 10314 formed into new
4685. Bodywork of all three 1925 coaches withdrawn 7-Apr-51 and broken‑up
at Lancing by 28-Apr-51 and their underframes used in construction of new
4 SUB vehicles: 8259 for 8629 (4741) Aug-51, 8300 for 8633 (4743) Sep-51
and 9550 for 9011 (4731) Jun-51. |
|
4459 |
Unit formed with augmentation trailer 10236 after underframe
modifications. Unit disbanded 11‑Nov-50 and TT 10236 formed into
new 4699. Bodywork of all three 1925 coaches withdrawn 16-Dec-50 and broken‑up
at Lancing by that date and their underframes used in construction of new
4 SUB vehicles: 8303 for 12774 (4721) Apr-51, 8304 for 12787 (4728)
Jun-51 and 9538 for 9003 (4723) May-51. |
|
4460 |
Unit formed with augmentation trailer 10275 22‑Jan-47,
this then removed for modifications 25-Feb-47 and replaced by new 10286.
Displaced 10275 later to 4427 Apr-47. Unit disbanded 28‑Oct-50 and TT 10286 formed into
new 4697. Bodywork of all three 1925 coaches withdrawn 28-Jul-51 and broken‑up
at Lancing by 4-Aug-51 and their underframes used in construction of new
4 EPB vehicles: 8307 for 14011 (unit no.5006) Apr-52, 8308 for 14058 (unit
no.5029) Aug-53 and 9570 for 15117 (unit no.5017) Apr-53. |
|
4461 |
Unit disbanded 23-Dec-50 and TT 10343 formed into new
4707. Bodywork of all three 1925 coaches withdrawn 17-Mar-51 and broken‑up
at Lancing by 24-Mar-51 and their underframes used in construction of new
4 SUB vehicles: 8309 for 12795, 8310 for 12796 (both 4732) Jun-51
and 9522 for 9010 (4730) Jun-51. |
|
4462 |
Unit formed with augmentation trailer 10242 24-Dec-46, this
then removed for modifications 24-Feb-47 and replaced by new 10287. Displaced
10242 later to 4442. Unit disbanded Apr-50 and TT 10287 formed into new 4603,
TT 9495 to 4456. Bodywork of both MBTs withdrawn 21-Apr-51 and broken‑up
at Lancing by 28-Apr-51 and their underframes used in construction of new
4 SUB vehicles: 8311 for 8622 (4738) Aug-51 and 8312 for 8627
(4740) Aug-51. |
|
4463 |
TT 10248 to new 4606(2) May-50 and replaced by
TT 9541 (ex.4465), an identical ex. SECR conversion to the other trailer
in the unit, this a 9-compartment vehicle seating 90 third, overall unit
capacity now being 340 and overall weight reduced to 137 tons. Unit withdrawn 16-Jun-51 and bodywork of all four coaches
broken‑up at Lancing by 20‑Oct-51 and their underframes used in
construction of new 4 EPB vehicles: 8313 for 14025 and 9541 for 15113
(both 5013) Aug-52, 8314 for 14049 (unit no.5025) Jul-53, and 9555 for
15112 (unit no.5012) Jul-52. |
|
4464 |
Unit formed with augmentation trailer 10238 30‑Jan-47,
this then removed for modifications 17-Mar-47 and replaced by new 10293.
Displaced 10238 later to 4409 Apr-47. Unit disbanded 26-Aug-50 and TT 10293 formed into new
4682. Bodywork of all three 1925 coaches withdrawn c.Feb‑51 and broken‑up
at Lancing by 10-Feb-51 and their underframes used in construction of new
4 SUB vehicles: 8317 for 8630 (4742) Sep-51, 8318 for 8632 (4743) Sep-51
and 9544 for 9019 (4739) Aug-51. |
|
4465 |
Unit formed with augmentation trailer 10279 27‑Jan-47,
this then removed for modifications 26-Feb-47 and replaced by 10237 after
underframe modifications. Displaced 10279 later to 4454 28-Mar-47. 10237 had
not run in traffic prior to underframe modifications. Unit disbanded May-50 and TT 10237 formed into new
4606(2), TT 9541 to 4463. Bodywork of both MBTs withdrawn 19-Aug-50 and
broken‑up at Lancing by 26-Aug-50 and their underframes used in
construction of new 4 SUB vehicles: 8319 for 12742 and 8320 for 12741
(both 4705) Dec-50. |
|
4466 |
Unit formed with augmentation trailer 10245 30-Dec-46 this
then removed for modifications 19-Jun-47 and replaced by new 10305. Displaced
10245 later to 4492 Aug-47. Unit disbanded 18‑Nov-50 and TT 10305 formed into
new 4701. Underframes of all three 1925 coaches withdrawn 23-Dec-50 and
broken‑up at Lancing by 6‑Jan-51 and their underframes used in
construction of new 4 SUB vehicles: 8325 for 12800 (4734) Jul-51, 8326
for 12782 (4725) May-51 and 9539 for 9025 (4745) Sep-51. |
|
4467 |
Unit formed with augmentation trailer 10274, used initially in
4408 prior to underframe modifications. Unit disbanded 9-Sep-50 and TT 10274 formed into new
4686. Bodywork of all three 1925 coaches withdrawn 9-Sep-50 and broken‑up
at Lancing by 16-Sep-50 and their underframes used in construction of new
4 SUB vehicles: 8327 for 12751 (4710) Jan-51, 8328 for 12750 (4709)
Dec-50 and 9535 for 8988 (4708) Dec-50. |
|
4468 |
MBT 8330 damaged in collision with 1799 at Orpington 7‑Oct-47
and withdrawn, body scrapped at Lancing 17-Apr-48 after a period in store at
Horsted Keynes and underframe used in construction of new 4 SUB vehicle 12710
(4689) Sep-50. Replaced by identical 8373 (ex.4254). Unit disbanded 21‑Oct-50 and TT 10334 formed into
new 4695. Bodywork of all three 1925 coaches withdrawn 13‑Jan-51 and
broken‑up at Lancing by 20‑Jan-51. Both MBT underframes used in
construction of new 4 SUB vehicles: 8329 for 8617 (4735) Jul-51 and 8373
for 12783 (4726) May-51. Underframe of TT 9503 cut‑up at Lancing
24-Feb-51. |
|
4469 |
Unit disbanded 23-Dec-50 and TT 10317 formed into new
4708. Bodywork of all three 1925 coaches withdrawn 24-Mar-51 and broken‑up
at Lancing by 31-Mar-51 and their underframes used in construction of new
4 SUB vehicles: 8331 for 8621 (4737) Aug-51, 8332 for 8616 and 9574 for
9015 (both 4735) Jul-51. |
|
4470 |
Unit disbanded 14-Apr-51 and TT 10340 formed into new
4720. Bodywork of TT 9499 withdrawn 28-Apr-51 and broken‑up at Lancing
by 12-May-51 and underframe used in construction of new 4 SUB vehicle
9018 (4738) Aug-51. Bodywork of both MBTs also disposed of with 9499 and
their underframes used in construction of new 4 EPB vehicles: 8335 for
14002 and 8391 for 14001 (both 5001) Nov-51. |
|
4471 |
Unit disbanded 2-Jun-51 and TT 10336 formed into new
4726. Bodywork of all three 1925 coaches broken‑up at Lancing by
9-Jun-51 and their underframes used in construction of new 4 EPB
vehicles: 8337 for 14035 (unit no.5018) May-53, 8338 for 14026 (unit no.5013)
Aug-52 and 9547 for 15132 (unit no.5032) Sep-53. |
|
4472 |
Unit disbanded 8-Jul-50 and TT 10247 formed into new
4677. Bodywork of all three 1925 coaches withdrawn 30-Sep-50 and broken‑up
at Lancing by 14‑Oct-50 and their underframes used in construction of
new 4 SUB vehicles: 8339 for 8650 (4752) Nov-51, 8349 for 8645 (4749)
Oct-51 and 9551 for 9031 (4751) Nov-51. |
|
4473 |
Unit formed with augmentation trailer ?????, this then
removed and replaced by 10232 14-May-47 (used initially in 4495 prior to
underframe modifications). Displaced ????? later to 4???. Unit disbanded 30-Sep-50 and TT 10232 formed into new
4692. Bodywork of all three 1925 coaches withdrawn 3-Feb-51 and broken‑up
at Lancing by 10-Feb-51 and their underframes used in construction of new
4 SUB vehicles: 8343 for 12784 (4726) May-51, 8344 for 8620 (4737)
Aug-51 and 9559 for 9014 (4734) Jul-51. |
|
4474 |
MBT 8345 possible collision damage c.Feb‑49? and
withdrawn 1-Apr-50 and bodywork broken‑up at Lancing by 8-Apr-50 and
underframe used in construction of new 4 SUB vehicle 12689 for 4679
Jul-50. Replaced by 8380 (ex.4483) Mar-49. Unit disbanded 15-Jul-50 and TT 10318 also formed into
new 4679, bodywork of all three 1925 coaches withdrawn 4‑Nov-50 and
broken‑up at Lancing by 11‑Nov-50 and their underframes used in
construction of new 4 SUB vehicles: 8346 for 12778 (4723) May-51, 8380
for 12779 (4724) May-51 and 9537 for 9001 (4721) Apr-51. |
|
4475 |
Unit disbanded 2-Dec-50 and TT 10331 formed into new
4702. Bodywork of all three 1925 coaches withdrawn 16-Jun-51 and broken‑up
at Lancing by 23-Jun-51 and their underframes used in construction of new
4 EPB vehicles: 8353 for 14014 (unit no.5007) Apr-52, 8354 for
14038 (unit no.5019) May-53 and 9492 for 15126 (unit no.5026) Jul-53. |
|
4476 |
Unit formed with augmentation trailer 10235 4-Mar-47 after
underframe modifications. Unit disbanded 26-May-51 and TT 10235 formed into new 4725.
Bodywork of all three 1925 coaches withdrawn 30-Jun-51 and broken‑up at
Lancing by that date and their underframes used in construction of new
4 EPB vehicles: 8357 for 14036 (unit no.5018) May-53, 8358 for 14047 (unit
no.5024) Jun-53 and 9507 for 15108 (unit no.5008) May-52. |
|
4477 |
Unit formed with augmentation trailer 10322, this then
exchanged with 11450 (ex.4560) [no date], a 9-compartment augmentation
trailer seating 108, overall unit capacity now 358. Unit disbanded 16-Sep-50 and TT 11450 formed into new
4688. Bodywork of all three 1925 coaches withdrawn 28‑Oct-50 and broken‑up
at Lancing by 4‑Nov-50 and their underframes used in construction of
new 4 SUB vehicles: 8359 for 12766 (4717) Feb-51, 8360 for 12776 (4722)
Apr-51 and 9485 for 8995 (4715) Feb-51. |
|
4478 |
Unit formed with augmentation trailer 10269 16‑Jan-47,
this then removed for modifications 13-Feb-47 and replaced by 10259.
Displaced 10269 later to 4430 Mar-47. TT 10259 to new 4605(2) Apr-50 and
replaced by TT 9558 (ex.4480), an identical ex. SECR conversion to the
other trailer in the unit, this being a 9-compartment vehicle seating 90
third, overall unit capacity now being 340 and overall weight reduced to
137 tons. Unit withdrawn 2-Jun-51 and bodywork of all four coaches
withdrawn, that of 9561 15-Sep-51 and broken‑up at Lancing by
29-Sep-51, the remaining three being withdrawn 6‑Oct-51 and also broken‑up
at Lancing by 13‑Oct-51. All four underframes used in construction of
new 4 EPB vehicles: 8361 for 14023 (unit no.5012) Jul-52, 8362 for
14015 (unit no.5008) May-52, 9558 for 15114 (unit no.5014) Aug-52 and 9561
for 15109 (unit no.5009) May-52. Possible that body of 9561 grounded at
Lancing Works. |
|
4479 |
Unit disbanded 9-Dec-50 and TT 10295 formed into new
4704. Bodywork of all three 1925 coaches withdrawn 30-Dec-50 and broken‑up
at Lancing by 13‑Jan-51 and their underframes used in construction of
new 4 SUB vehicles: 8363 for 12785, 8364 for 12786 (both 4727) Jun-51
and 9504 for 9020 (4740) Aug-51. |
|
4480 |
Unit disbanded Mar-50 and TT 10337 formed into new 4605.
TT 9558 to 4478 Apr-50. Bodywork of both MBTs withdrawn 8-Sep-51 and
broken‑up at Lancing by 15-Sep-51 and their underframes used in
construction of new 4 EPB vehicles: 8367 for 14008 (unit no.5004) Mar-52
and 8368 for 14009 (unit no.5005) Apr-52. |
|
4481 |
Unit formed with augmentation trailer 10283 28‑Jan-47,
this then removed for modifications 13-Feb-47 and replaced by new 10256.
Displaced 10283 later to 4429 Mar-47. MBT 8369 withdrawn 10‑Jan-48
after collision damage at Swanley May-47and broken‑up at Lancing by 31‑Jan-48.
Replaced by similar 8365 (ex. 1470) from Jun-47, spare since repair to
accident damage at Norwood Jct. 17-Dec-46. Unit disbanded 3-Feb-51 and TT 10256 formed into new unit
4713. Bodywork of all three 1925 coaches withdrawn 10-Mar-51 and broken‑up
at Lancing by that date and their underframes used in construction of new
4 SUB vehicles: 8365 for 12794 (4731) Jun-51, 8370 for 12797 (4733)
Jul-51 and 9557 for 9017 (4737) Aug-51. |
|
4482 |
Unit disbanded 4‑Nov-50 and TT 10329 formed into
new 4698. Bodywork of all three 1925 coaches withdrawn, TT 9529
12-May-51 and broken‑up at Lancing by 19-May-51 and both MBTs 9-Jun-51
and broken‑up at Lancing by 16-Jun-51 and their underframes used in
construction of new 4 SUB and 4 EPB vehicles: 8282 for 14060 (unit
no.5030) Aug-53, 8375 for 14031 (unit no.5016) Apr-53 and 9529 for 9021
(4741) Aug-51. |
|
4483 |
Unit damaged in collision with 4439 at Cannon Street 21-Feb-49
and disbanded. TT 10310 to a second unit 4483. MBT 8379 broken‑up
at Lancing 2-Apr-49, MBT 8380 to 4474 Mar-49. Bodywork of TT 9556
broken‑up at Lancing by 4-Jun-49 and underframe used in construction of
new 4 SUB vehicle 8920 (4640) Oct-49. A ‘new’ 4483 formed Apr-49 using
3 coach unit 1610 augmented by TT 10310 once again. This unit
included MBT 8710 from an ex. LBSCR conversion with a different bodystyle. The unit had the same compartment layout as
the original and now weighed 134 tons 6cwt. Unit disbanded 25-Aug-51 and TT 10310 formed into new
unit 4738. MBT 8710 withdrawn 4-Apr-53 and scrapped at Lancing? the
body being broken‑up by 16-May-53 and the underframe also cut‑up
there by 20-Feb-54. The bodywork of remaining two coaches also withdrawn,
TT 9628 on 23-Feb-53 and broken‑up at Lancing? by that date
and MBT 8514 18-Mar-53 and broken‑up at Eastleigh by that date.
Both their underframes used in construction of new 4 EPB vehicles: 8514
for 14225 (unit no.5113) Apr-54 and 9628 for 15184 (unit no.5106) Feb-54. |
|
4484 |
MBT 8382 damaged in collision (date and location unknown)
and unit withdrawn May-50. TT 10325 formed into new 4604, TT 9500
to 4445. Bodywork of both MBTs withdrawn 19-Aug-50 and broken‑up at
Lancing by 26-Aug-50 and the underframe of 8381 used in construction of new
4 SUB vehicle 12765 for 4717 Feb-51. Damaged underframe of MBT 8382
cut‑up at Lancing by 25‑Nov-50. |
|
4485 |
Unit withdrawn 16-Sep-50 and TT 10301 formed into new
4689. Bodywork of all three 1925 coaches broken‑up at Lancing by that
date and their underframes used in construction of new 4 SUB vehicles:
8385 for 8648 (4751) Nov-51, 8386 for 8644 (4749) Oct-51 and 9515 for 9030
(4750) Nov-51. |
|
4486 |
Unit disbanded 14‑Oct-50 and TT 10327 formed into
new 4693. Bodywork of all three 1925 coaches withdrawn 18-Aug-51 and broken‑up
at Lancing by 1-Sep-51 and their underframes used in construction of new
4 EPB vehicles: 8279 for 14007 (unit no.5004) Mar-52, 8392 for
14006 (unit no.5003) Mar-52 and 9508 for 15105 (unit no.5005) Apr-52. |
|
4487 |
Unit formed with augmentation trailer 10244 1‑Jan-47,
this then removed for modifications 17-Feb-47 and replaced by new 10261.
Displaced 10244 later to 4506 Mar-47. Unit disbanded 3-Jun-50 and TT 10261 formed into new
4669. Bodywork of all three 1925 coaches withdrawn 26-Aug-50 and broken‑up
at Lancing by 9-Sep-50 and their underframes used in construction of new
4 SUB vehicles: 8393 for 8646 (4750) Nov-51, 8394 for 12767 (4718)
Mar-51 and 9520 for 8987 (4707) Dec-50. |
|
4488 |
Unit formed with augmentation trailer 10230 8‑Jan-47,
this then removed for modifications 21-Jul-47 and replaced by new 10291.
Displaced 10230 later to 4436 Aug-47. Unit disbanded 20-May-50 and TT 10291 formed into new
4667. Bodywork of all three 1925 coaches withdrawn 2-Sep-50 and broken‑up
at Lancing by 9-Sep-50 and their underframes used in construction of new
4 SUB vehicles: 8395 for 12756 (4712) Jan-51, 8396 for 12753 (4711)
Jan-51 and 9516 for 8993 (4713) Jan-51. |
|
4489 |
Unit formed with augmentation trailer 10321, this then removed
and replaced with 10324 (reason unknown). Displaced 10321 later to
4497. Unit disbanded 17-Feb-51 and TT 10324 formed into new
4714. Bodywork of all three 1925 coaches withdrawn 21-Jul-51 and broken‑up
at Lancing by 4-Aug-51 and their underframes used in construction of new
4 EPB vehicles: 8397 for 14005 (unit no.5003) Mar-52, 8398 for 14027 (unit
no.5014) Aug-52 and 9569 for 15102 (unit no.5002) Mar-52. |
|
4490 |
Unit formed with augmentation trailer 10266 17-Dec-46, this
then removed for modifications 31-Mar-47 and replaced by 10264. Displaced
10266 later to 4418 May-47. 10264 had been used initially in 4407 prior to
underframe modifications. Unit disbanded 20-May-50 and TT 10264 formed into new
4668. Bodywork of all three 1925 coaches withdrawn 7‑Oct-50 and broken‑up
at Lancing by 21‑Oct-50 and their underframes used in construction of
new 4 SUB vehicles: 8401 for 12773 (4721) Apr-51, 8402 for 12775 (4722)
Apr-51 and 9491 for 9000 (4720) Apr-51. |
|
4491 |
Unit formed with augmentation trailer ?????, this then
removed and replaced by 10231 13-Aug-47. Displaced ????? later to 4???.
Replacement augmentation trailer 10231 had been used initially in 4421 prior
to underframe modifications. Unit disbanded 23-Dec-50 and TT 10231 formed into new
4706. Bodywork of all three 1925 coaches withdrawn 23-Jun-51 and broken‑up
at Lancing by 30-Jun-51 and their underframes used in construction of new
4 EPB vehicles: 8403 for 14037 (unit no.5019) May-53, 8404 for 14043 and
9494 for 15122 (both 5022) Jun-53. |
|
4492 |
Unit formed with augmentation trailer ?????, this then
removed 6-Aug-47 and replaced by 10245. Displaced ????? later to 4???.
Replacement augmentation trailer 10245 had been used initially in 4466 prior
to underframe modifications. TT 10245 transferred to new unit 4601
Apr-50 and replaced by TT 9493 (ex.4448), an identical ex. SECR conversion to
the other trailer in the unit, this a 9-compartment coach seating 90, overall
unit capacity now being 340 and overall weight reduced to 137 tons. Unit withdrawn 16-Jun-51 and the bodywork of all four coaches
broken‑up at Lancing by 1-Sep-51, their underframes used in
construction of new 4 EPB vehicles: 8405 for 14013 (unit no.5007)
Apr-52, 8406 for 14004 (unit no.5002) Mar-52, 9493 for 15103 (unit no.5003)
Mar-52 and 9521 for 15118 (unit no.5018) May-53. |
|
4493 |
Unit disbanded 20‑Jan-51 and TT 10342 formed into
new 4710. Bodywork of all three 1925 coaches withdrawn 17-Feb-51 and broken‑up
at Lancing by 24-Feb-51 and their underframes used in construction of new
4 SUB vehicles: 8407 for 8634 (4744) Sep-51, 8408 for 8619 (4736) Aug-51
and 9530 for 9008 (4728) Jun-51. |
|
4494 |
Unit disbanded 22-Jul-50 and TT 10323 formed into new
4678. Bodywork of all three 1925 coaches withdrawn 2-Sep-50 and broken‑up
at Lancing by 16-Sep-50 and their underframes used in construction of new
4 SUB vehicles: 8411 for 12749 (4709) Dec-50, 8412 for 12752 and 9578
for 8990 (both 4710) Jan-51. |
|
4495 |
Unit formed with augmentation trailer 10232 10‑Jan-47,
this then removed for modifications 24-Apr-47 and replaced by new 10320.
Displaced 10232 later to 4473 May-47. Unit disbanded 17-Jun-50 and TT 10320 formed into new
4672. Bodywork of all three 1925 coaches withdrawn 18‑Nov-50 and broken‑up
at Lancing by 25‑Nov-50 and their underframes used in construction of
new 4 SUB vehicles: 8477 for 12772 and 8478 for 12771 (both 4720) Apr-51
and 9612 for 8997 (4717) Feb-51. |
|
4496 |
Unit disbanded 30-Sep-50 and TT 10303 formed into new
4691. Bodywork of all three 1925 coaches withdrawn 16-Dec-50 and broken‑up
at Lancing by 30-Dec-50 and their underframes used in construction of new
4 SUB vehicles: 8479 for 12788 (4728) Jun-51, 8480 for 12777 (4723)
May-51 and 9611 for 9002 (4722) Apr-51. |
|
4497 |
Unit formed with augmentation trailer ?????, this then
removed and replaced by 10321. Displaced ????? later to 4???.
Replacement augmentation trailer 10321 had been used initially in 4489. Unit disbanded 12-Aug-50 and TT 10321 formed into new
4681. Bodywork of all three 1925 coaches withdrawn 23-Sep-50 and broken‑up
at Lancing by that date and their underframes used in construction of new
4 SUB vehicles: 8483 for 8651 (4752) Nov-51, 8484 for 8653 and 9617 for
9033 (both 4753) Nov-51. |
|
4498 |
Unit formed with augmentation trailer 10272 6‑Jan-47,
this then removed for modifications 12-Mar-47 and replaced by 10267.
Displaced 10272 later to 4515 Apr-47. Replacement augmentation trailer 10267
had been used initially in 4508 prior to underframe modifications. Unit disbanded 9-Sep-50 and TT 10267 formed into new
4687. Bodywork of all three 1925 coaches withdrawn 24-Feb-51 and broken‑up
at Lancing by that date and their underframes used in construction of new
4 SUB vehicles: 8487 for 12789 (4729) Jun-51, 8488 for 12791 (4730)
Jun-51 and 9613 for 9007 (4727) Jun-51. |
|
4499 |
Unit disbanded 12-Aug-50 and TT 10304 formed into new
4680. Bodywork of all three 1925 coaches withdrawn 26-Aug-50 and broken‑up
at Lancing by 2-Sep-50 and their underframes used in construction of new
4 SUB vehicles: 8489 for 8641 (4747) Oct-51, 8490 for 12793 (4731)
Jun-51 and 9614 for 9028 (4748) Oct-51. |
|
4500 |
Unit disbanded 9-Dec-50 and TT 10311 formed into new
4703. Bodywork of all three 1925 coaches withdrawn 7-Apr-51 and broken‑up
at Lancing by 14-Apr-51 and their underframes used in construction of new
4 SUB vehicles: 8491 for 8631 (4742) Sep-51, 8492 for 8626 (4740)
Aug-51 and 9616 for 9009 (4729) Jun-51. |
|
4501 |
Unit disbanded 21-Apr-51 and TT 10341 formed into new
4722. Bodywork of all three 1925 coaches withdrawn, both MBTs broken‑up
at Lancing by 2-Jun-51 whilst TT 9615 also broken‑up there earlier
by 23-Sep-50 and their underframes used in construction of new 4 EPB
vehicles: 8493 for 14032 (unit no.5016) Apr-53, 8494 for 14022 (unit
no.5011) Jun-52 and 9615 for 15110 (unit no.5010) Jun-52. |
This batch of
units were converted from 3 car motor units nos.1601 ‑ 1630
dating from 1927 and rebuilt from ex. SECR 4 and 6 wheeled coaches dating from
between 1890 and 1901. They consisted of an 8-compartment MBT (80 seats), a
9-compartment TT [Downgraded TC with 1 third, 7 first and 1 third compts.] (90 seats) and a further 8-compartment MBT
(80 seats). When augmented they seated 370 and weighed
134 tons 12cwt.
They were
withdrawn mostly in 1951 with the all-steel trailers being used in both
4 SUB and 4 EPB units, virtually all the older vehicle underframes
going into new 4 EPB units.
Unit formations
were as follows:
|
Unit |
Old no. |
MBT |
TT |
TT |
MBT |
Withdrawn |
|
|
Diag. No. |
|
663 |
756 |
2013 |
663 |
|
|
|
4502 |
1602 |
8497 |
9620 |
|
8498 |
29-Dec-51 |
|
|
4503 |
1603 |
8499 |
9621 |
|
8500 |
6-Nov-54 |
|
|
4504 |
1605 |
8503 |
9623 |
10326 |
8504 |
8-Dec-51 |
|
|
Diag. No. |
|
|
757 |
|
|
|
|
|
4505 |
1608 |
8510 |
9626 |
|
8509 |
25-Apr-53 |
|
|
Diag. No. |
|
|
756 |
|
|
|
|
|
4506 |
1611 |
8516 |
9629 |
|
8515 |
1-Dec-51 |
|
|
4507 |
1613 |
8520 |
9631 |
10328 |
8519 |
8-Dec-51 |
|
|
Diag. No. |
|
687 |
|
|
|
|
|
|
4508 |
1615 |
852370 |
9633 |
|
8524 |
7-Jul-51 |
|
|
Diag. No. |
|
667 |
|
|
667 |
|
|
|
4509 |
1618 |
8529 |
9636 |
10313 |
8530 |
29-Sep-51 |
|
|
Diag. No. |
|
|
|
|
663 |
|
|
|
4510 |
1621 |
8535 |
9639 |
10278 |
8513 |
1-Aug-53 |
|
|
Diag. No. |
|
669 |
|
|
669 |
|
|
|
4511 |
1623 |
8539 |
9641 |
|
8540 |
17-Mar-51 |
|
|
4512 |
1624 |
8541 |
9642 |
10273 |
8542 |
29-Sep-51 |
|
|
4513 |
1625 |
8543 |
9643 |
10315 |
8544 |
16-Jun-51 |
|
|
4514 |
1626 |
8545 |
9644 |
|
8546 |
28-Feb-53 |
|
|
Diag. No. |
|
668 |
|
|
668 |
|
|
|
4515 |
1628 |
8549 |
9646 |
|
8550 |
8-Jan-55 |
|
|
4516 |
1629 |
8551 |
9647 |
10333 |
8552 |
12-Jan-52 |
|
|
Notes: |
|||||||
|
69 = 10-compt. TT ex. LSWR
conversion, Diagram 741. 70 = 7½ Compt. MBT. |
71 = 9-compt. TT ex. LSWR conversion,
Diagram 765. 72
= 9-compt. TT, Diagram 757. |
||||||
|
Individual Unit Notes |
|
|
4502 |
Unit formed with augmentation trailer 10271 3-Jan-47, this
then removed for modifications 14-Feb-47 and replaced by new 10257. Displaced
10271 later to 4453 Mar-47. Unit disbanded 29-Dec-51 and TT 10257 formed into new
4754. Bodywork of all three 1927 coaches withdrawn and broken‑up,
TT 9620 at Lancing? by 7-Jul-53 and both MBTs at Eastleigh by
18-Mar-53 and their underframes used in construction of new 4 EPB
vehicles: 8497 for 14104 and 8498 for 14103 (both 5052) Mar-54, 9620 for
15136 (unit no.5036) Oct-53. |
|
4503 |
Unit formed with augmentation trailer 10277 31-Jul-47, this
coach used initially in 4455 prior to underframe modifications. TT 10277
removed from unit Jul-52 and converted to EP braking and renumbered
15015 for unit 5015 Sep-52. Replaced by TT 9185 (ex.4184) an ex. LSWR 10-compartment
coach seating 100, in this form unit seated 350 and weighed
133 tons 12cwt. Unit withdrawn 6‑Nov-54 and bodywork of all four coaches
broken‑up at Longhedge by 4-Dec-54.
Underframes used in construction of new 4 EPB vehicles: 8499 for 14321 (unit
no.5161) Mar-55, 8500 for 14317 (unit no.5159) Mar-55, 9185 for 15286 and
9621 for 15336 (both 5158) Mar-55. |
|
4504 |
Unit disbanded 8-Dec-51 and TT 10326 formed into new
4753. Bodywork of all three 1927 coaches withdrawn and broken‑up at
Lancing? by 29‑Nov-52 and their underframes used in construction of
new 4 EPB vehicles: 8503 for 14053 (unit no.5027) Aug-53, 8504 for 14051
(unit no.5026) Jul-53 and 9623 for 15133 (unit no.5033) Sep-53. |
|
4505 |
Unit formed with augmentation trailer 10243 23-Dec-46, this
then removed for modifications 25-Apr-47 and replaced by new 10309. Displaced
10243 later to 4437 May-47. Unit withdrawn 25-Apr-53 and TT 10309 converted to
EP braking and renumbered 15023 for unit 5023 Jun-53. TT 9626 to
4515 5-May-53. Bodywork of both MBTs withdrawn and broken‑up at
Lancing? by 27-Jun-53 and their underframes used in construction of new
4 EPB vehicles: 8509 for 14099 and 8510 for 14100 (both 5050) Feb-54. |
|
4506 |
Unit formed with augmentation trailer 10308, this then removed
and replaced by 10262 10-Mar-47. Displaced 10308 later to 4415 Apr-47.
Replacement augmentation trailer 10244 had been used initially in 4487 prior
to underframe modifications. Unit disbanded 1-Dec-51 and TT 10244 formed into new
4752. Bodywork of all three 1927 coaches withdrawn and broken‑up at
Eastleigh by 18-Mar-53 and their underframes used in construction of new
4 EPB vehicles: 8515 for 14087 and 9629 for 15144 (both 5044) Nov-53,
8516 for 14090 (unit no.5045) Nov-53. |
|
4507 |
Unit disbanded 8-Dec-51 and TT 10328 formed into 4631
Jan-52 replacing a damaged vehicle. Bodywork of all three 1927 coaches
withdrawn and broken‑up at Eastleigh by 18-Mar-53 and their underframes
used in construction of new 4 EPB vehicles: 8519 for 14072 (unit no.5036)
Oct-53, 8520 for 14083 (unit no.5042) Nov-53 and 9631 for 15137 (unit no.5037)
Oct-53. |
|
4508 |
Unit formed with augmentation trailer 10267 13-Jan-47, this
then removed for modifications 14-Feb-47 and replaced by new 10262. Displaced
10267 later to 4498 Mar-47. Unit non‑standard with 7½ compartment MBT
8523 and seated 365 third and weighed 136 tons 17cwt. Unit disbanded 7-Jul-51 and TT 10262 formed into new 4730.
Bodywork of all three 1927/1937 coaches withdrawn and broken‑up at
Eastleigh by 18-Mar-53 and their underframes used in construction of new
4 EPB vehicles: 8523 for 14208 (unit no.5104) Jan-54, 8524 for 14102 (unit
no.5051) Feb-54 and 9633 for 15146 (unit no.5046) Dec-53. |
|
4509 |
Unit disbanded 29-Sep-51 and TT 10313 formed into new 4744.
Bodywork of all three 1927 coaches withdrawn and broken‑up at Eastleigh
by 18-Mar-53 and their underframes used in construction of new 4 EPB
vehicles: 8529 for 14069 (unit no.5035) Sep-53, 8530 for 14068 (unit no.5034)
Sep-53 and 9636 for 15171 (unit no.5046) Dec-53. |
|
4510 |
Unit formed with augmentation trailer 10278, this coach used
initially in 4431 prior to underframe modifications. Unit disbanded 1-Aug-53 and TT 10278 converted to
EP braking and renumbered 15030 for unit 5030. TT 9639 to 4580
Aug-53. Bodywork of both MBTs withdrawn and broken‑up at Lancing?
by 10‑Oct-53 and their underframes used in construction of new
4 EPB vehicles: 8513 for 14247 and 8535 for 14248 (both 5124)
Jun-54. |
|
4511 |
Unit formed with augmentation trailer 10280 28-Jan-47, this
then removed for modifications 3-Jul-47 and replaced by new 10252. Displaced
10280 later to 4412 Jul-47. Unit disbanded 17-Mar-51 and TT 10252 formed into new
4718. Bodywork of all three 1927 coaches withdrawn 24-Mar-51 and broken‑up
at Lancing by 7-Apr-51 and their underframes used in construction of new
4 EPB vehicles: 8539 for 14259 (unit no.5130) Aug-54, 8540 for 14256 (unit
no.5128) Aug-54 and 9641 for 15135 (unit no.5035) Sep-53. |
|
4512 |
Unit formed with augmentation trailer 10273, this coach had
been used initially in 4458 prior to underframe modifications. Unit disbanded 29-Sep-51 and TT 10273 formed into new
4743. Bodywork of all three 1927 coaches withdrawn and broken‑up at
Lancing? by 22‑Nov-52 and their underframes used in construction of
new 4 EPB vehicles: 8541 for 14050 (unit no.5025) Jul-53, 8542 for 14048
(unit no.5024) Jun-53 and 9642 for 15121 (unit no.5021) May-53. |
|
4513 |
Unit disbanded 16-Jun-51 and TT 10315 formed into new
4727. Bodywork of all three 1927 coaches withdrawn and broken‑up at
Eastleigh by 18-Mar-53 and their underframes used in construction of new
4 EPB vehicles: 8543 for 14095 (unit no.5048) Dec-53, 8544 for 14094 (unit
no.5047) Dec-53 and 9643 for 15140 (unit no.5040) Oct-53. |
|
4514 |
TT 10241 to new unit 4745 c.Aug-51 and replaced by
TT 9660 (ex.4591), an ex. LSWR 9-compartment coach seating 90, in this
form unit seated 340 with overall weight unchanged. Unit withdrawn 28-Feb-53 and bodywork of all four coaches
scrapped, both trailers at Eastleigh by 18-Mar-53, both MBTs at Lancing?
by 7-Mar-53 and their underframes used in construction of new 4 EPB
vehicles: 8545 for 14070 (unit no.5035) Sep-53 and 8546 for 14077 (unit no.5039)
Oct-53, 9644 for 15165 (unit no.5040) Oct-53 and 9660 for 15166 (unit no.5041)
Nov-53. |
|
4515 |
Unit formed with augmentation trailer 10272 14-Apr-47, this
coach ran initially in 4498 prior to underframe modifications. TT 10272
removed from unit c.5-May-53 and converted to EP braking and renumbered
15028 for unit 5028 Aug-53. Replaced by TT 9626 (ex.4505), a 9-compartment
ex. SECR conversion with identical bodywork to the remaining three coaches in
unit. In this form unit seated 350 third and weighed 133 tons 14cwt. Unit withdrawn 8-Jan-55 and bodywork of all coaches broken‑up
at Longhedge by 5-Feb-55 and their underframes used
in construction of new 4 EPB vehicles: 8549 for 14338 (unit no.5169)
May-55, 8550 for 14345 (unit no.5173) Jul-55, 9626 for 15296 and 9646 for
15346 (both 5168) May-55. |
|
4516 |
Unit disbanded 12-Jan-52 and TT 10333 converted to
EP braking and renumbered 15003 for unit 5003 Mar-52. TT 9647 to
4518 Jan-52. Bodywork of both MBTs withdrawn and broken‑up at
Lancing? by 15‑Nov-52 and their underframes used in construction of
new 4 EPB vehicles: 8551 for 14052 (unit no.5026) Jul-53 and 8552 for
14044 (unit no.5022) Jun-53. |
This series of
units comprised all the remaining pre‑war 3 car motor units augmented
using twenty-three new all‑steel trailers intended for 4 SUB units
in the 4355 ‑ 4377 series, nine of which were 9-compartment
‘Pseudo‑Composites’ and forty of the sixty-three new all‑steel
augmentation trailers of the 10167‑10229 series, all these additional
vehicles being built at Eastleigh on new Lancing underframes between August
1947 and July 1948.
As only
sixty-three additional trailers were provided, there were never more than this
number of individual 4 SUB units in this number range in existence at one
time. However, some of the earlier units dealt with were subsequently withdrawn
and the underframes of their pre‑war coaches recovered for use in the
4 SUB and 4 EPB construction programmes and the displaced
augmentation vehicles were re-used in later augmentations.
Later stages
saw the augmentation vehicles themselves taken for use in further new
4 SUB and 4 EPB units, and some of the pre‑war vehicles which
were mounted on lengthened 'AC' underframes which were unsuitable for further
use were then reformed again into further new units with all four coaches of
pre‑war construction; these being placed in a new number series from 4501‑4518
which duplicated some of the earlier (now withdrawn) augmented units.
Coaches 10167‑10229
intended for this series of units were further 10-compartment vehicles,
identical to the earlier batch 10230‑10345 used for 4401‑4516 and
were again to Diagram 2013 and were ordered to H.O. numbers 3386 (10167‑10169)
and 3463 (10170‑10229). They again seated 120 third and weighed 28 tons.
All except two of these coaches were eventually converted to 4 EPB
trailers and renumbered in the 15xxx series.
The trailers
displaced from their intended all‑steel 4 SUB units were ordered to
H.O. number 3231, those of 10-compartments being to Diagram 2014, virtually
identical to the other augmentation trailers, whilst the 9-compartment ‘Pseudo‑Composites’
were to Diagram 2314 and these seated 108; again weighing 28 tons. In these
coaches, a single compartment at one end and two at the other were of standard
dimensions (6' 1" wide) whilst the seven in the centre were wider in
case first-class accommodation was reintroduced (this never took place). All
except one of these 10-compartment and three of the 9-compartment ones were
eventually converted into further 4 EPB trailers; the remainder going into
all‑steel 4 SUB units.
These coaches
were then used to augment the surviving 3 car motor units, once again this
being done when these units were varnished at Selhurst Paint Shops; the
trailers were not therefore allocated to units in any sort of number order.
Outstanding
units were taken from all of the fourteen sub‑batches of units still
running in traffic as 3 car motor units, these units having slightly different
weights, compartment layouts, bodywork origins and underframe types. Some
attempts were made to group units with similar features together numerically,
i.e. all the 9-compartment coaches went into units which previously seated 236,
evening out the new capacity where those which had previously seated 226 gained
a 10-compartment coach. However due to the complexities of the differing donor
units, no strict pattern could be established and some 3 car motor units from
within one batch were split‑up numerically when augmented.
Summary details
are shown in the following table:
|
Unit |
Bodywork
origin |
U’frame type |
Compt.
layout |
Seats |
Weight tons /cwt |
Length |
Date conv. |
New no. when
augmented |
|
1599 |
LSWR |
STD |
7½/9/7½ |
226 |
110t
12cwt |
193' 8" |
1934 |
4518 |
|
1600 |
LBSC |
STD |
8/9/8 |
236 |
104t
5cwt |
193' 8" |
1932 |
4607 |
|
1620 |
SECR |
STD |
8/9/8 |
236 |
106t
2cwt |
193' 8" |
1927 |
4580
|
|
1631 |
LBSC |
STD |
8/9/8 |
236 |
104t
6cwt |
193' 8" |
1927 |
4585 |
|
1637 |
LBSC |
STD |
8/9/8 |
236 |
104t
6cwt |
193' 8" |
1927/8 |
4522 |
|
1644 |
LBSC |
STD |
8/9/8 |
236 |
104t
6cwt |
193' 8" |
1928 |
4562 |
|
1679 |
LSWR |
STD |
8/10/7 |
236 |
107t
0cwt |
193' 8" |
1928 |
4521 |
|
1714 |
LBSC |
STD |
8/10/7 |
236 |
104t
5cwt |
193' 8" |
1927/8 |
4563
|
|
1717 |
LBSC |
STD |
8/10/7 |
236 |
103t
5cwt |
193' 8" |
1929 |
4566 |
|
#1 |
LBSC |
AC |
8/10/7 |
236 |
104t
5cwt |
193' 8" |
1929/30 |
4520
|
|
1772 |
LBSC |
STD
|
8/10/7 |
236 |
103t
5cwt |
193' 8" |
1930 |
4565 |
|
1776 |
LSWR |
STD |
8/10/7 |
236 |
105t
8cwt |
193' 8" |
1930 |
4519 |
|
1780 |
LSWR |
AC |
8/10/7 |
236 |
109t
0cwt |
193' 8" |
1930 |
4573 |
|
1783 |
LSWR |
STD |
8/10/7 |
236 |
107t
0cwt |
193' 8" |
1930 |
4594 |
|
1784 |
LSWR |
STD |
8/10/7 |
236 |
107t
0cwt |
193' 8" |
1930 |
4517 |
|
1791 |
LSWR |
STD |
8/9/8 |
236 |
107t
8cwt |
193' 8" |
1931 |
4591 |
|
1797 |
LBSC |
STD |
8/9/8 |
236 |
104t
5cwt |
193' 8" |
1932 |
4583 |
|
Notes: #1 LBSCR MBT
8691 from 1428, Augmentation trailer 10470, SECR T 9490 from 1427, LBSCR MBT
8697 from 1728 |
||||||||
As augmented,
units were all to a standard length of 257' 5". 3 car motor units
still not altered to intermediate centre buffer and three link chain couplings
were modified to this arrangement from their previous bar couplings upon
augmentation.
The seating
capacity of the units in the above table is shown as the total number following
downgrading to all‑third during the war, the former first-class
compartments still being regarded as seating four-aside.
When augmented,
these were then regarded as seating five-aside. adding fourteen to the total
for each unit, these then becoming 240 and 250 respectively; the new unit
totals then becoming either 348/360 and 358/370 depending on whether augmented
by 9 or 10-compartment vehicles. Overall new unit weights varied from 129 to
140 tons depending on origin.
Upon withdrawal
of the older coaches (often some months after their unit had been disbanded and
the all‑steel trailer removed for re‑use) were stripped of some
electrical equipment and sent mainly to Lancing (or Longhedge)
with a lesser number going to Eastleigh where the old bodies were dismantled.
The underframes were sent to Lancing works for reconditioning prior to
being incorporated in a new all‑steel coach under construction at
Eastleigh.
The final unit,
4588, was augmented in October 1949, though by this time many of those with ex.
LBSCR bodies had already been withdrawn as these had the oldest bodies.
The following
unit formation lists include the bodywork origin of the three pre‑war
coaches. The date of the units' augmentation is shown below the unit number,
whilst the original 3 car motor unit number is also shown. Coaches mounted on
lengthened ‘AC’ underframes are marked with a ‘*’ after the vehicle number.
Compartment layout and Diagram Numbers are shown above the coach numbers and
appear in each column wherever there is a change.
|
Unit |
Body origin |
Old no. |
MBT |
TT |
TT |
MBT |
Withdrawn |
|
|
Diag. No. |
|
|
671 |
2013 |
760 |
697 |
|
|
|
4517 |
LSWR |
1784 |
8224 |
|
9302 |
9823 |
2-Jan-54 |
|
|
|
|
|
(7½-comp.) |
|
(9-comp.) |
(7½-comp.) |
|
|
|
Diag. No. |
|
|
687 |
|
770 |
786 |
|
|
|
4518 |
LSWR |
1599 |
9860 |
|
9765 |
9859 |
23-Jan-54 |
|
|
|
|
|
(8-comp.) |
|
(10-comp.) |
(7-comp.) |
|
|
|
Diag. No. |
|
|
671 |
|
760 |
697 |
|
|
|
4519 |
LSWR |
1776 |
8558 |
|
9652 |
9811 |
10-Apr-54 |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
(9-comp.) |
(8-comp.) |
|
|
|
Diag. No. |
|
|
675 |
2014 |
754 |
678 |
|
|
|
4520 |
LBSC76 |
- |
|
10470 |
|
8697 |
18-Feb-56 |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
(10-comp.) |
(7½-comp.) |
|
|
|
Diag. No. |
|
|
671 |
|
759 |
686 |
|
|
|
4521 |
LSWR |
1679 |
8200 |
10456 |
9328 |
9903 |
25-Apr-53 |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
(9-comp.) |
(8-comp.) |
|
|
|
Diag. No. |
|
|
672 |
2013 |
762 |
673 |
|
|
|
4522 |
LBSC |
1637 |
8629 |
10203 |
9681 |
8630 |
Feb-49 |
|
|
4523 |
LBSC |
1638 |
8631 |
10180 |
9682 |
8632 |
Feb-49 |
|
|
4524 |
LBSC |
1639 |
8633 |
10182 |
9683 |
8634 |
30-Apr-49 |
|
|
4525 |
LBSC |
1642 |
8639 |
10202 |
9686 |
8640 |
Jan-49 |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
(10-comp.) |
(7-comp.) |
|
|
|
Diag. No. |
|
|
671 |
|
760 |
695 |
|
|
|
4526 |
LSWR80 |
1785 |
8225 |
|
9303 |
8895* |
4-Feb-56 |
|
|
Diag. No. |
|
|
675 |
2014 |
761 |
693 |
|
|
|
4527 |
LBSC |
1724 |
8693* |
10471 |
9724* |
8859* |
14-Jul-56 |
|
|
Diag. No. |
|
|
|
2013 |
|
|
|
|
|
4528 |
LBSC |
1725 |
|
10183 |
9725* |
8860* |
Nov-56 |
|
|
4529 |
LBSC |
1726 |
8695* |
10182 |
9726* |
8861* |
11-Aug-56 |
|
|
|
|
|
(7-comp.) |
|
|
(8-comp.) |
|
|
|
Diag. No. |
|
|
693 |
|
|
675 |
|
|
|
4530 |
LBSC |
1727 |
8862* |
10193 |
9727* |
8696* |
25-Aug-56 |
|
|
|
|
|
(8-comp.) |
|
|
(7-comp.) |
|
|
|
Diag. No. |
|
|
675 |
|
|
694 |
|
|
|
4531 |
LBSC |
1729 |
8698* |
10180 |
9729* |
8864* |
10-Nov-56 |
|
|
Diag. No. |
|
|
678 |
2014 |
|
|
|
|
|
4532 |
LBSC |
1731 |
|
|
9731* |
8866* |
1-Sep-56 |
|
|
Diag. No. |
|
|
|
2013 |
|
|
|
|
|
4533 |
LBSC |
1732 |
8701* |
10185 |
9732* |
8867* |
Dec-56 |
|
|
4534 |
LBSC |
1733 |
8702* |
10167 |
9733* |
8868* |
14-Jul-56 |
|
|
4535 |
LBSC |
1734 |
8703* |
10226 |
9734* |
8869* |
22-Sep-56 |
|
|
4536 |
LBSC |
1735 |
8704* |
10202 |
9735* |
8870* |
25-Jul-53 |
|
|
Diag. No. |
|
|
675 |
2014 |
|
693 |
|
|
|
4537 |
LBSC |
1737 |
|
10466 |
9737* |
|
19-May-56 |
|
|
Diag. No. |
|
|
|
2013 |
|
|
|
|
|
4538 |
LBSC |
1738 |
8707* |
10194 |
9738* |
8873* |
Oct-56 |
|
|
4539 |
LBSC |
1739 |
8708* |
10191 |
9739* |
8874* |
Dec-56 |
|
|
Diag. No. |
|
|
678 |
|
|
694 |
|
|
|
4540 |
LBSC |
1740 |
8709* |
10211 |
9740* |
8875* |
23-Jun-56 |
|
|
|
|
|
(7-comp.) |
|
|
(8-comp.) |
|
|
|
Diag. No. |
|
|
694 |
|
|
678 |
|
|
|
4541 |
LBSC |
1743 |
8878* |
10225 |
9743* |
8712* |
Nov-56 |
|
|
4542 |
LBSC |
1744 |
8879* |
10222 |
9744* |
8713* |
21-Apr-56 |
|
|
|
|
|
(8-comp.) |
|
|
(7-comp.) |
|
|
|
Diag. No. |
|
|
678 |
|
|
694 |
|
|
|
4543 |
LBSC |
1746 |
8715* |
10178 |
9746* |
8881* |
15-Sep-56 |
|
|
|
|
|
(7-comp.) |
|
|
(8-comp.) |
|
|
|
Diag. No. |
|
|
694 |
|
|
678 |
|
|
|
4544 |
LBSC |
1747 |
8882* |
10186 |
9747* |
8716* |
13-Oct-56 |
|
|
|
|
|
(8-comp.) |
|
|
(7-comp.) |
|
|
|
Diag. No. |
|
|
678 |
|
|
694 |
|
|
|
4545 |
LBSC |
1748 |
8717* |
10190 |
9748* |
8883* |
Sep-56 |
|
|
4546 |
LBSC |
1749 |
8718* |
10223 |
9749* |
|
28-May-56 |
|
|
Diag. No. |
|
|
|
|
|
695 |
|
|
|
4547 |
LBSC |
1750 |
8719* |
10204 |
9461* |
8885* |
4-Aug-56 |
|
|
|
|
|
(7-comp.) |
|
|
(8-comp.) |
|
|
|
Diag. No. |
|
|
695 |
|
|
678 |
|
|
|
4548 |
LBSC |
1751 |
8886* |
|
9462* |
|
29-Sep-56 |
|
|
|
|
|
(8-comp.) |
|
|
(7-comp.) |
|
|
|
Diag. No. |
|
|
678 |
2014 |
|
695 |
|
|
|
4549 |
LBSC |
1752 |
8721* |
10468 |
9463* |
8887* |
26-May-56 |
|
|
Diag. No. |
|
|
|
2013 |
|
|
|
|
|
4550 |
LBSC |
1753 |
8722* |
10168 |
9464* |
8888* |
Dec-56 |
|
|
Diag. No. |
|
|
|
2014 |
|
694 |
|
|
|
4551 |
LBSC |
1754 |
8731* |
|
|
8889* |
Nov-56 |
|
|
Diag. No. |
|
|
|
|
|
695 |
|
|
|
4552 |
LBSC |
1755 |
8732* |
10450 |
9466* |
8890* |
8-Sep-56 |
|
|
|
|
|
(7-comp.) |
|
|
(8-comp.) |
|
|
|
Diag. No. |
|
|
695 |
2013 |
|
678 |
|
|
|
4553 |
LBSC |
1756 |
8891* |
10176 |
9467* |
8733* |
Aug-56 |
|
|
|
|
|
(8-comp.) |
|
|
(7-comp.) |
|
|
|
Diag. No. |
|
|
678 |
|
|
695 |
|
|
|
4554 |
LBSC |
1757 |
8734* |
10227 |
9468* |
8892* |
Jan-57 |
|
|
|
|
|
(7-comp.) |
|
|
(8-comp.) |
|
|
|
Diag. No. |
|
|
695 |
|
|
678 |
|
|
|
4555 |
LBSC |
1762 |
8897* |
10187 |
9473* |
|
Jan-57 |
|
|
|
|
|
(8-comp.) |
|
|
(7-comp.) |
|
|
|
Diag. No. |
|
|
678 |
2014 |
|
695 |
|
|
|
4556 |
LBSC |
1759 |
8736* |
10451 |
9470* |
8894* |
Aug-56 |
|
|
Diag. No. |
|
|
|
2013 |
|
|
|
|
|
4557 |
LBSC |
1764 |
8741* |
10212 |
9475* |
8899* |
20-Oct-56 |
|
|
4558 |
LBSC |
1765 |
8742* |
10179 |
9476* |
8900* |
Jan-57 |
|
|
4559 |
LBSC |
1767 |
8744* |
10229 |
9478* |
9802* |
2-Oct-54 |
|
|
|
|
|
(7-comp.) |
(9-comp.) |
|
(8-comp.) |
|
|
|
Diag. No. |
|
|
695 |
2314 |
|
678 |
|
|
|
4560 |
LBSC |
1768 |
9803* |
|
9479* |
8745* |
Mar-56 |
|
|
|
|
|
(8-comp.) |
(10-comp.) |
|
(7-comp.) |
|
|
|
Diag. No. |
|
|
678 |
2014 |
|
695 |
|
|
|
4561 |
LBSC |
1766 |
8743* |
10467 |
9477* |
9801* |
21-Jul-56 |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
(9-comp.) |
(8-comp.) |
|
|
|
Diag. No. |
|
|
673 |
2013 |
762 |
673 |
|
|
|
4562 |
LBSC |
1644 |
8643 |
10191 |
9688 |
8644 |
Jan-49 |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
(10-comp.) |
(7-comp.) |
|
|
|
Diag. No. |
|
|
672 |
|
763 |
692 |
|
|
|
4563 |
LBSC |
1714 |
8683 |
10185 |
9714 |
8849 |
Feb-49 |
|
|
Diag. No. |
|
|
678 |
2014 |
768 |
695 |
|
|
|
4564 |
LBSC |
1769 |
8746* |
10459 |
9480* |
9804* |
25-Feb-56 |
|
|
Diag. No. |
|
|
|
2013 |
|
|
|
|
|
4565 |
LBSC |
1772 |
8749 |
|
9483 |
9807 |
9-Jul-55 |
|
|
Diag. No. |
|
|
675 |
|
761 |
693 |
|
|
|
4566 |
LBSC |
1717 |
8686 |
|
|
8852 |
2-Jul-55 |
|
|
4567 |
LBSC |
1718 |
8687 |
|
9718* |
8853 |
11-Feb-56 |
|
|
Diag. No. |
|
|
|
2013 |
|
|
|
|
|
4568 |
LBSC |
1719 |
8688 |
10169 |
9719* |
8854 |
7-Jun-52 |
|
|
Diag. No. |
|
|
|
2014 |
|
|
|
|
|
4569 |
LBSC |
1720 |
|
10449 |
9720* |
8855 |
17-May-52 |
|
|
Diag. No. |
|
|
|
2013 |
|
|
|
|
|
4570 |
LBSC |
1721 |
8690 |
10181 |
9721* |
8856 |
25-Aug-51 |
|
|
4571 |
LBSC |
1723 |
8692 |
|
9723* |
8858 |
3-Mar-56 |
|
|
Diag. No. |
|
|
671 |
2014 |
759 |
691 |
|
|
|
4572 |
LSWR |
1696 |
8217 |
10452 |
|
8831 |
12-May-56 |
|
|
|
|
|
|
(9-comp.) |
|
|
|
|
|
Diag. No. |
|
|
|
2314 |
760 |
697 |
|
|
|
4573 |
LSWR |
1780 |
|
|
9656* |
9815* |
18-Feb-56 |
|
|
|
|
|
|
(10-comp.) |
|
|
|
|
|
Diag. No. |
|
|
|
2013 |
|
|
|
|
|
4574 |
LSWR |
1781 |
8563 |
10213 |
|
9816* |
13-Oct-51 |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
(9-comp.) |
(8-comp.) |
|
|
|
Diag. No. |
|
|
673 |
|
762 |
673 |
|
|
|
4575 |
LBSC |
1650 |
8655 |
10190 |
9694 |
8656 |
Feb‑49 |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
(10-comp.) |
(7-comp.) |
|
|
|
Diag. No. |
|
|
672 |
|
763 |
692 |
|
|
|
4576 |
LBSC |
1704 |
8673 |
10193 |
9704 |
8839 |
Aug-49 |
|
|
4577 |
LBSC |
1706 |
8675 |
10204 |
9706 |
8841 |
Jan-49 |
|
|
4578 |
LBSC |
1713 |
8682 |
10195 |
9713 |
8848 |
Oct-49 |
|
|
Diag. No. |
|
|
671 |
2014 |
760 |
697 |
|
|
|
4579 |
LSWR |
1782 |
8564* |
10460 |
9658* |
9817* |
15-Aug-53 |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
(9-comp.) |
(8-comp.) |
|
|
|
Diag. No. |
|
|
667 |
2013 |
756 |
667 |
|
|
|
4580 |
SECR |
1620 |
8533 |
|
9638 |
8534 |
27-Mar-54 |
|
|
|
|
|
(8-comp.) |
(10-comp.) |
(10-comp.) |
(7-comp.) |
|
|
|
Diag. No. |
|
|
672 |
2013 |
763 |
692 |
|
|
|
4581 |
LBSC |
1715 |
8684 |
10186 |
9715 |
8850 |
Aug-49 |
|
|
4582 |
LBSC |
1716 |
8685 |
10188 |
9716 |
8851 |
Jun-49 |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
(9-comp.) |
(8-comp.) |
|
|
|
Diag. No. |
|
|
674 |
|
762 |
674 |
|
|
|
4583 |
LBSC |
1797 |
8586 |
10189 |
9666 |
8587 |
Feb-49 |
|
|
4584 |
LBSC |
1798 |
8588 |
10181 |
9667 |
8589 |
Jun-49 |
|
|
Diag. No. |
|
|
672 |
|
|
673 |
|
|
|
4585 |
LBSC |
1631 |
8617 |
10201 |
9675 |
8618 |
Jan-49 |
|
|
Diag. No. |
|
|
668 |
|
756 |
664 |
|
|
|
4586 |
SECR |
1630 |
8553 |
|
9648 |
8554 |
29-Jan-55 |
|
|
|
|
|
|
(9-comp.) |
|
|
|
|
|
Diag. No. |
|
|
663 |
2314 |
|
663 |
|
|
|
4587 |
SECR |
1604 |
8502 |
11453 |
9622 |
8501 |
14-Jul-51 |
|
|
|
|
|
|
(10-comp.) |
|
|
|
|
|
Diag. No. |
|
|
|
2013 |
757 |
|
|
|
|
4588 |
SECR |
1609 |
8512 |
10195 |
9627 |
8511 |
8-Dec-51 |
|
|
|
|
|
|
(9-comp.) |
|
|
|
|
|
Diag. No. |
|
|
667 |
2314 |
756 |
667 |
|
|
|
4589 |
SECR |
1617 |
8528 |
11449 |
9635 |
8527 |
16-Jun-51 |
|
|
|
|
|
(7-comp.) |
|
(10-comp.) |
(7-comp.) |
|
|
|
Diag. No. |
|
|
694 |
|
768 |
695 |
|
|
|
4590 |
LBSC |
1771 |
|
11451 |
9482 |
9806 |
17-Mar-56 |
|
|
|
|
|
(8-comp.) |
|
(9-comp.) |
(8-comp.) |
|
|
|
Diag. No. |
|
|
683 |
|
765 |
683 |
|
|
|
4591 |
LSWR |
1791 |
8575 |
|
9660 |
|
10-Nov-51 |
|
|
4592 |
LSWR |
1792 |
8577 |
11452 |
9661 |
8576 |
1-Sep-51 |
|
|
Diag. No. |
|
|
|
|
767 |
|
|
|
|
4593 |
LSWR |
1793 |
8578 |
11455 |
9662 |
|
28-Apr-51 |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
(10-comp.) |
(7-comp.) |
|
|
|
Diag. No. |
|
|
671 |
|
759 |
691 |
|
|
|
4594 |
LSWR |
1783 |
8223 |
|
9301 |
9822 |
30-Jan-54 |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
(9-comp.) |
(8-comp.) |
|
|
|
Diag. No. |
|
|
673 |
|
762 |
673 |
|
|
|
4601 |
LBSC |
1643 |
8641 |
11453 |
9687 |
8642 |
May-49 |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
(10-comp.) |
(7-comp.) |
|
|
|
Diag. No. |
|
|
672 |
|
763 |
692 |
|
|
|
4602 |
LBSC |
1707 |
8676 |
11448 |
9707 |
8842 |
3-Jul-48 |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
(9-comp.) |
(8-comp.) |
|
|
|
Diag. No. |
|
|
|
|
762 |
673 |
|
|
|
4603 |
LBSC |
1634 |
8623 |
11452 |
9678 |
8624 |
Feb-49 |
|
|
4604 |
LBSC |
1645 |
8645 |
11455 |
9689 |
8646 |
May-49 |
|
|
4605 |
LBSC |
1636 |
8627 |
11451 |
9680 |
8628 |
Feb-49 |
|
|
4606 |
LBSC |
1648 |
8651 |
11454 |
9692 |
8652 |
Feb-49 |
|
|
Diag. No. |
|
|
674 |
|
|
674 |
|
|
|
4607 |
LBSC |
1600 |
8594 |
11456 |
9670 |
8595 |
11-Feb-48 |
|
|
Diag. No. |
|
|
672 |
|
|
673 |
|
|
|
4608 |
LBSC |
1651 |
8657 |
11456 |
9695 |
8658 |
Mar-49 |
|
|
4610 |
LBSC |
1647 |
8649 |
11448 |
9691 |
8650 |
Feb-49 |
|
|
4613 |
LBSC |
1652 |
8659 |
11450 |
9696 |
8660 |
Aug-49 |
|
|
4614 |
LBSC |
1653 |
8661 |
11449 |
9697 |
8662 |
Feb-49 |
|
|
Notes: |
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|
73 = TT Diagram 759. 74 = SECR
conversion, 9-compt, Diagram 756. 75 = 10-compt. TT, Diagram 760. 76 = TT an ex. SECR conversion on
‘Ashford’ underframe. 77 = LSWR 7½ Compt. Conversion with
‘wedge end’ cab, Diagram 685 78 = LSWR
conversion, Diagram 760. 79
= 10-compt. all‑steel TT, Diagram 2013. 80 = MBT
8895 an ex. LBSCR conversion. 81 = LSWR conversion, 9-compt.
Diagram 770. 82 = MBT Diagram 678. 83 = 7-compt MBT, Diagram 694. 84 = TT Diagram 2013. 85 = LSWR
conversion with ‘wedge end’ cab, Diagram 698. 86
= LSWR conversion with ‘wedge end’ cab, Diagram 685. 87 = MBT ex. LSWR conversion, Diagram
691. 88
= TT Diagram 2014. 89 = 9-compt,
augmentation trailer, Diagram 2314. 90 = 10-compt. TT, Diagram 760. 91
= MBT Diagram 675. 92 = 10-compt. TT, Diagram
2013. |
93 = LSWR conversion, 11-compt. TT,
Diagram 742. 94 = TT Diagram 761. 95 = LSWR conversion, TT, Diagram 769. 96 = LSWR conversion, 9-compt. TT,
Diagram 770. 97 = LSWR conversion, Diagram 671. 98 = TT Diagram 761. 99 = LBSCR conversion, Diagram 761. 100 = MBT Diagram 675. 101 = TT Diagram 770. 102 = LBSCR conversion,
10-compt. TT, Diagram 761. 103 = LBSCR conversion, Diagram 761. 104 = 9-compt. TT, Diagram 756. 105 = TT ex. LSWR conversion, Diagram 759. 106 = ‘All
steel’ MBT, Diagram 2126. 107 = MBT
ex. LSWR conversion with ‘wedge end’ cab, Diagram 685. 108 = 10-compt TT, Diagram 2013. 109 = 7½ Compt.
MBT, Diagram 687. 110
= MBT, Diagram 691. 111 =
10-compt. wooden‑roofed augmentation trailer, Diagram 2013. 112 = 8-compt + saloon TT, Diagram 771. |
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|
Individual Unit Notes |
|
|
4517 |
As formed unit seated 370 and weighed 135 tons. TT 10175
removed from unit c.27-Apr-53 and converted to EP braking and renumbered
15022 for unit 5022 Jun-53. Replaced by 9328 (ex.4521), a 10-compartment ex. LSWR
conversion seating 100, in this form unit seated 360 and weighed
134 tons 12cwt. Unit withdrawn 2-Jan-54 and bodywork of all four coaches
broken‑up at Lancing? by 30-Jan-54. Underframes used in
construction of new 4 EPB vehicles: 8224 for 14240 (unit no.5120)
May-54, 9302 for 15247 and 9328 for 15197 (both 5119) May-54, 9823 for
14239 (unit no.5120) May-54. |
|
4518 |
As formed unit seated 360 and weighed
138 tons 12cwt. TT 10203 ex. withdrawn 4522. 10203 removed
from unit c.Jan‑52 and converted to EP braking and renumbered
15004 for unit 5004 Mar-52. Replaced by 9647 (ex.4516), a 9-compartment ex. SECR
conversion seating 90, in this form unit seated 330 and weighed
137 tons 14cwt. Unit withdrawn 23-Jan-54 and bodywork of all four coaches
broken‑up at Lancing? by 20-Feb-54. Underframes used in
construction of new 4 EPB vehicles: 9647 for 15199 (unit no.5121)
Jun-54, 9765 for 15250 (unit no.5122) Jun-54, 9859 for 14392 (unit no.5196)
Dec-55 and 9860 for 14393 (unit no.5197) Dec-55. |
|
4519 |
As formed unit seated 370 and weighed 133 tons 8cwt.
TT 10177 removed from unit Mar-53 and converted to EP braking and renumbered
15020 for unit 5020 May-53. Replaced by 9649 (ex.4401), a further 10-compartment
coach identical to that already in unit and seating 100, in this form unit
seated 360 and weighed 131 tons 8cwt. Unit withdrawn 10-Apr-54 and bodywork of all four coaches
broken‑up at Lancing? by 15-May-54. Underframes used in
construction of new 4 EPB vehicles: 8558 for 14266 (unit no.5133)
Sep-54, 9649 for 15207 and 9652 for 15257 (both 5129) Aug-54 and 9811 for
14269 (unit no.5135) Sep-54. |
|
4520 |
As formed unit seated 370 and weighed
133 tons 18cwt. Unit formed with three pre-war coaches taken from
war damaged units, two ex. LBSCR MBTs, one on a standard underframe, the
other on an AC underframe with an ex. SECR TT on a ‘Ashford’ standard
underframe. These were MBT 8691 (on standard frame) from unit 1722 damaged at
Charing Cross 17-Apr-41 and after repairs to unit 1428, MBT 8697 (on AC
frame) from unit 1728 damaged at Walworth 28-Jun-44 and TT 9490 (on
Ashford frame) from unit 1427 damaged during 1940 and spare after repairs.
TT 9490 removed from unit Jul-53 and bodywork scrapped at Eastleigh,
underframe used in construction of new 4 EPB vehicle 15158 (unit no.5105)
Feb-54. Replaced by 9658 (ex.4579), a 10-compartment ex. LSWR coach mounted
on a further AC underframe, unit now seated 380 and weighed
131 tons 18cwt. Unit further reformed 25-May-54 when MBT 8691 removed and
bodywork broken‑up at Lancing? by 19-Jun-54, underframe used in
construction of new 4 EPB vehicle 15305 (unit no.5177) Aug-55, a rare example
of a motorcoach frame being used in construction of a trailer. Replaced in
4520 by MBT 8106 (ex.4225), an original 1915 ex. LSWR rebuild with ‘wedge
end’ style cab, a 7½ compartment coach seating 75. Unit now seated 375
and weighed 134 tons 18cwt. TT 9658 then returned to 4579
Oct-54 (this unit having been stored out of use) and replaced by all‑steel
10229 (ex.4559), this coach seating 120, in this form unit seated 395 and
weighed 136 tons 18cwt. Unit withdrawn 18-Feb-56 and MBT 8697 scrapped (probably
at Newhaven) c14-Sep-56. Bodywork of MBT 8106 also broken‑up at Longhedge by 24-Mar-56 and underframe used in
construction of new 4 EPB vehicle 14476 (unit no.5238) Oct-56. Both all‑steel
TTs converted to EP braking and renumbered, 10470 to 15034 for unit 5216,
10229 to 15035 for unit 5217 (both Apr-56). |
|
4521 |
As formed unit seated 375 and weighed
136 tons 12cwt. Unit withdrawn 25-Apr-53 and TS 9328 to 4517,
TT 10456 converted to EP braking and renumbered 15025 for unit 5025
Jul-53. Bodywork of both MBTs broken‑up at Lancing? 9903 by 3‑Oct-53
and 8200 by 27-Feb-54 and their underframes used in construction of new
4 EPB vehicles: 8200 for 14245 (unit no.5123) Jun-54 and 9903 for 14350 (unit
no.5175) Aug-55. |
|
4522 |
As formed unit seated 370 and weighed 132 tons 6cwt.
Unit disbanded Feb-49 and TT 10203 to 4518. Bodywork of all three 1928
coaches withdrawn 23-Apr-49 and broken‑up at Lancing by 30-Apr-49 and
their underframes used in construction of new 4 SUB vehicles:
8629 for 11326 (4633) Jul-49, 8630 for 11329 (4635) Aug-49 and 9681
for 12374 (4634) Aug-49. |
|
4523 |
As formed unit seated 370 and weighed 132 tons 6cwt.
Unit withdrawn c.Jan‑49 and TT 10180 to 4531. Bodywork of all
three 1928 coaches withdrawn, TT 9682 from 30-Apr-49 and broken‑up
at Lancing by that date, both MBTs from 2-Jul-49 and also broken‑up at
Lancing by 16-Jul-49. All three underframes used in construction of new
4 SUB vehicles: 8631 for 11361 (4651) Dec-49, 8632 for 11368
(4654) Jan-50 and 9682 for 12372 (4632) Jul-49. |
|
4524 |
As formed unit seated 370 and weighed 132 tons 6cwt.
Unit withdrawn 30-Apr-49 and TT 10182 to 4529. Bodywork of all three
1928 coaches withdrawn, TT 9683 from 30-Apr-49 and broken‑up at
Lancing by that date, both MBTs from 2-Jul-49 and broken‑up at Lancing
by 16-Jul-49. All three underframes used in construction of new 4 SUB
vehicles: 8633 for 11353 (4647) Nov-49, 8634 for 11355 (4648) Nov-49 and 9683
for 9026 (4746) Oct-51. |
|
4525 |
As formed unit seated 370 and weighed 132 tons 6cwt.
Unit disbanded Jan-49 and TT 10202 to 4536. Bodywork of all three 1928
coaches withdrawn, both MBTs from 16-Jul-49 and broken‑up at Lancing by
13-Aug-49 and TT 9686 from 10-Sep-49 and also broken‑up at Lancing
by 24-Sep-49. All three underframes used in construction of new 4 SUB
and 4 EPB vehicles: 8639 for 11359 (4650) Dec-49, 8640 for
11377 (4659) Feb-50 and 9686 for 15142 (unit no.5042) Nov-53. |
|
4526 |
As formed unit seated 370 and weighed 135 tons.
TT 10228 removed from unit c.Nov-51 and converted to EP braking and
renumbered 15007 for unit 5007 Apr-52. Replaced by 9762 (ex.4422), a 9-compartment
ex. LSWR conversion seating 90, in this form unit seated 340. Unit disbanded
4-Feb-56 and MBT 8895 formed into new 4501(2) Jul-56, remaining three coaches
had bodywork broken‑up at Lancing by 18-Feb-56 and their underframes
used in construction of new 4 EPB vehicles: 8225 for 14459 (unit no.5230)
Aug-56, 9303 for 15431 (unit no.5243) Nov-56 and 9762 for 15413 (unit no.5225)
Jun-56. |
|
4527 |
As formed unit seated 370 and weighed 132¼ tons. Unit
disbanded 14-Jul-56 and TT 10471 converted to EP braking and
renumbered 15053 for unit 5235 Sep-56. MBT 8859 and TT 9724 both formed
into new 4504(2) Aug-56. MBT 8693 scrapped at Newhaven by 17-Jul-56. |
|
4528 |
As formed unit seated 370 and weighed 132¼ tons. MBT 8694
exchanged with identical 8739 (ex.4555) Jun-55 (reason unknown). Unit
disbanded Nov-56 and TT 10183 converted to EP braking and
renumbered 15068 for unit 5250 Jan-57. Remaining three coaches all formed
into new 4510(2) Nov-56. |
|
4529 |
As formed unit seated 370 and weighed 132¼ tons.
TT 10182 ex. withdrawn 4524. Unit disbanded 11-Aug-56 and TT 10182
converted to EP braking and renumbered 15078 for unit 5260 Mar-57.
TT 9726 formed into new 4509(2) Nov-56. Both MBTs scrapped at Newhaven
by 14-Aug-56. |
|
4530 |
As formed unit seated 370 and weighed 132¼ tons.
TT 10193 ex. withdrawn 4576. Unit disbanded 25-Aug-56 and TT 10193
converted to EP braking and renumbered 15057 for unit 5239 Oct-56. TT 9727
formed into new 4517(2) Jan-57. Both MBTs scrapped at Newhaven by 27-Aug-56. |
|
4531 |
As formed unit seated 370 and weighed 132¼ tons.
TT 10180 ex. withdrawn 4523. Unit disbanded 10‑Nov-56 and
TT 10180 converted to EP braking and renumbered 15070 for unit 5252
Jan-57. TT 9729 formed into new 4512(2) Dec-56. Both MBTs stored until
converted to De‑Icing motorcoaches at Stewarts Lane Mar-57, 8698
renumbered DS 349 and 8864 renumbered DS 350, both for unit 91. |
|
4532 |
As formed unit seated 370 and weighed 132¼ tons. Unit
damaged c.Apr‑50 (where?) and MBT 8700 and TT 10469 both to
4548. Replaced by 8877 (ex.4590) and 10188 (ex.4548). MBT 8877 an identical 7-compartment
coach to 8866 seating 70, in this form unit seated 360. Unit disbanded 1-Sep-56 and TT 10188 converted to
EP braking and renumbered 15058 for unit 5240 Oct-56. MBT 8866 and
TT 9731 both formed into new 4507(2) Oct-56. MBT 8877 scrapped at
Newhaven by 10-Sep-56. |
|
4533 |
As formed unit seated 370 and weighed 132¼ tons.
TT 10185 ex. withdrawn 4563. Unit disbanded Dec-56 and TT 10185
converted to EP braking and renumbered 15073 for unit 5255 Feb-57.
Remaining three coaches all formed into new 4514(2) Dec-56. |
|
4534 |
As formed unit seated 370 and weighed 132¼ tons. Unit
disbanded 14-Jul-56 and TT 10167 converted to EP braking and
renumbered 15054 for unit 5236 Sep-56. MBT 8702 scrapped at Newhaven by
17-Jul-56, MBT 8868 and TT 9733 both formed into new 4503(2) Aug-56. |
|
4535 |
As formed unit seated 370 and weighed 132¼ tons. Unit
disbanded 22-Sep-56 and TT 10226 converted to EP braking and
renumbered 15061 for unit 5243 Nov-56. MBT 8869 scrapped at Newhaven by
3‑Oct-56, MBT 8703 formed into new 4507(2) Oct-56, TT 9734 formed
into new 4516(2) Jan-57. |
|
4536 |
As formed unit seated 370 and weighed 132¼ tons.
TT 10202 ex. withdrawn 4525. Unit disbanded 25-Jul-53 and TT 10202
converted to EP braking and renumbered 15029 for unit 5029 Aug-53.
TT 9735 to 4572. Both MBTs withdrawn and bodywork broken‑up at
Lancing by 4-Sep-54, their underframes being cut‑up there later in
1954. |
|
4537 |
As formed unit seated 370 and weighed 132¼ tons. Both
MBTs 8706 and 8872 withdrawn 20-Aug-55 and exchanged from Oct-55 with 8036
and 8762 (both ex.4164) these vehicles rebuilt ‘1915’ ex. LSWR
conversions with ‘wedge end’ style cabs. Unit now weighed
136 tons 13cwt. Unit disbanded 19-May-56 and TT 10466 converted to
EP braking and renumbered 15046 for unit 5228 Jul-56. TT 9737
formed into new 4511(2) Nov-56. Bodywork of both MBTs withdrawn and bodywork
broken‑up at Longhedge by 9-Jun-56 and their
underframes used in construction of new 4 EPB vehicles: 8036 for 14481 (unit
no.5241) Oct-56 and 8762 for 14480 (unit no.5240) Oct-56. |
|
4538 |
As formed unit seated 370 and weighed 132¼ tons. Unit
disbanded Oct-56 and TT 10194 converted to EP braking and
renumbered 15063 for unit 5245 Nov-56. Remaining three coaches all formed
into new 4508(2) Oct-56. |
|
4539 |
As formed unit seated 370 and weighed 132¼ tons.
TT 10191 ex. withdrawn 4562. Unit disbanded Dec-56 and TT 10191
converted to EP braking and renumbered 15071 for unit 5253 Feb-57.
Remaining three coaches all formed into new 4512(2) Dec-56. |
|
4540 |
As formed unit seated 370 and weighed 132¼ tons. Unit
withdrawn 23-Jun-56 and TT 10211 converted to EP braking and
renumbered 15051 for unit 5233 Sep-56. Remaining three coaches all scrapped
at Newhaven. |
|
4541 |
As formed unit seated 370 and weighed 132¼ tons. Unit
disbanded Nov-56 and TT 10225 converted to EP braking and
renumbered 15069 for unit 5251 Jan-57. Remaining three coaches all formed
into new 4509(2) Nov-56. |
|
4542 |
As formed unit seated 370 and weighed 132¼ tons. Unit
withdrawn 21-Apr-56 and TT 10222 converted to EP braking and
renumbered 15037 for unit 5219 May-56, though TT 9744 not condemned
until 1-Sep-56. Remaining three coaches all scrapped at Newhaven. |
|
4543 |
As formed unit seated 370 and weighed 132¼ tons. Unit
withdrawn 15-Sep-56 and TT 10178 converted to EP braking and
renumbered 15062 for unit 5244 Nov-56. TT 9746 formed into new 4510(2)
Nov-56, both MBTs renumbered in internal user series at Durnsford Road
c.Feb‑59 as a ‘towing unit’ for moving condemned stock between
Wimbledon Park and Strawberry Hill, 8715 becoming 081046 and 8881 as 081047,
these surviving until damaged in depot collision May-59 and moved to Newhaven
for scrapping 18-May-59. |
|
4544 |
As formed unit seated 370 and weighed 132¼ tons.
TT 10186 ex. withdrawn 4581. Unit withdrawn 13‑Oct-56 and
TT 10186 converted to EP braking and renumbered 15066 for unit 5248
Dec-56. TT 9747 formed into new 4514(2) Dec-56, both MBTs scrapped at
Newhaven. |
|
4545 |
As formed unit seated 370 and weighed 132¼ tons.
TT 10190 ex. withdrawn 4575. Unit disbanded Sep-56 and TT 10190
converted to EP braking and renumbered 15056 for unit 5238 Oct-56.
Remaining three coaches all formed into new 4506(2) Sep-56. |
|
4546 |
As formed unit seated 370 and weighed 132¼ tons. Unit
4546 and 4594 slightly damaged in collision with ‘Golden Arrow’ outside
Victoria 6.42pm 9-Dec-49. Running 12 minutes late the 4.55pm
Continental Express (Golden Arrow) from Dover Marine to Victoria comprising
eight Pullman cars, luggage van and container truck coupled next to the
Battle of Britain class locomotive was traversing no.129 crossover from Up
Main to Up Relief at 10mph having been signalled into platform 8. A light
engine (also a Battle of Britain class due to collect empty stock to Stewarts
Lane) travelling on the Up Relief passed subsidiary signal no.151 at danger;
the collision with the Golden Arrow derailing it to about 35o
fouling the Central Section’s Down Local line. The smoke deflector of the
derailed light engine caught unit 4594 (6.40pm Victoria platform 9 to West
Croydon train travelling on green at 30mph) grazing the last six coaches of
this 8-car train at waist level, damaging the panelling and smashing 31
window lights. MBT 8884 exchanged with similar 7-compartment 8798 (ex.4185),
an ex. LSWR conversion and unit now weighed 132½ tons, (date and
reason unknown). Unit withdrawn 28-May-56 and TT 10223 converted to
EP braking and renumbered 15052 for unit 5234 Sep-56. MBT 8718 and
TT 9749 both formed into new 4503(2) Aug-56. Bodywork of MBT 8798
scrapped 9-Jun-56 at Longhedge? and
underframe used in construction of new 4 EPB vehicle 14483 (unit no.5242)
Nov-56. |
|
4547 |
As formed unit seated 370 and weighed 132¼ tons.
TT 10204 ex. withdrawn 4577. Unit withdrawn 4-Aug-56 and TT 10204
converted to EP braking and renumbered 15077 for unit 5259 Mar-57.
TT 9461 formed into new 4505(2) Aug-56. MBT 8885 scrapped at Newhaven,
MBT 8719 formed into 4339. |
|
4548 |
As formed unit seated 370 and weighed 132¼ tons.
TT 10188 ex. withdrawn 4582. Unit damaged in collision (where?)
Mar-50, and MBT 8720 withdrawn 25-Mar-50 and scrapped at Lancing? by
16-Apr-50, TT 10188 to 4532. Both replaced by similar 8700
and 10469 (both ex.4532). Unit withdrawn 29-Sep-56 and TT 10469 converted to
EP braking and renumbered 15064 for unit 5246 Nov-56. TT 9462
formed into new 4515(2) Jan-57. Both MBTs scrapped at Newhaven. |
|
4549 |
As formed unit seated 370 and weighed 132¼ tons. Unit
withdrawn 26-May-56 and TT 10468 converted to EP braking and
renumbered 15047 for unit 5229 Jul-56. MBT 8721 and TT 9463 both
formed into new 4504(2) Aug-56. MBT 8887 scrapped at Longhedge. |
|
4550 |
As formed unit seated 370 and weighed 132¼ tons. Unit
disbanded Dec-56 and TT 10168 converted to EP braking and
renumbered 15074 for unit 5256 Feb-57, remaining three coaches all formed
into new 4513(2) Dec-56. |
|
4551 |
As formed unit seated 370 and weighed 132¼ tons. Unit damaged Oct-51 (possibly in collision with 4113)
and both trailers damaged. TT 10453 temporarily exchanged with 9-Compt
11483 (ex.4113), this coach seating 108. TT 9465 exchanged with 9657 (ex.4574).
This coach a 10-compartment ex. LSWR conversion on a lengthened AC frame
seating 100, in this form unit seated 358 and weighed
132 tons 18cwt, until 11483 exchanged back with 10453 after repairs
when capacity increased to 370. Unit disbanded Nov-56 and TT 10453 converted to
EP braking and renumbered 15067 for unit 5249 Jan-57, remaining three
coaches all formed into new 4511(2) Nov-56. |
|
4552 |
As formed unit seated 370 and weighed 132¼ tons. Unit
withdrawn 8-Sep-56 and TT 10450 converted to EP braking and
renumbered 15059 for unit 5241 Oct-56. Remaining three coaches scrapped at
Newhaven. |
|
4553 |
As formed unit seated 370 and weighed 132¼ tons. Unit
disbanded Aug-56 and TT 10176 converted to EP braking and
renumbered 15049 for unit 5231 Aug-56, remaining three coaches all formed
into new 4502(2) Aug-56. |
|
4554 |
As formed unit seated 370 and weighed 132¼ tons. Unit
disbanded Jan-57 and TT 10227 converted to EP braking and
renumbered 15076 for unit 5258 Mar-57, remaining three coaches all formed
into new 4516(2) Jan-57. |
|
4555 |
As formed unit seated 370 and weighed 132¼ tons.
MBT 8739 exchanged with similar 8694 (ex.4528) Jun-55 (reason unknown).
Unit disbanded Jan-57 and TT 10187 converted to EP braking and
renumbered 15075 for unit 5257 Mar-57, remaining three coaches all formed
into new 4515(2) Jan-57. |
|
4556 |
As formed unit seated 370 and weighed 132¼ tons. Unit
disbanded Aug-56 and TT 10451 converted to EP braking and
renumbered 15055 for unit 5237 Oct-56, remaining three coaches all formed
into new 4505(2) Aug-56. |
|
4557 |
As formed unit seated 370 and weighed 132¼ tons. Unit
disbanded 20‑Oct-56 and TT 10212 converted to EP braking and
renumbered 15065 for unit 5247 Dec-56. TT 9475 formed into new 4513(2)
Dec-56. Both MBTs used as a towing unit for moving condemned stock between
Wimbledon Park and Strawberry Hill until Apr-57 when converted to
De‑Icing motor coaches at Stewarts Lane, 8741 renumbered DS 347 and
8899 renumbered DS 348, both for unit 90. |
|
4558 |
As formed unit seated 370 and weighed 132¼ tons. Unit
disbanded Jan-57 and TT 10179 converted to EP braking and
renumbered 15072 for unit 5254 Feb-57, remaining three coaches all formed
into new 4517(2) Jan-57. |
|
4559 |
As formed unit seated 370 and weighed 132¼ tons. Unit
disbanded 2‑Oct-54 and TT 10229 to 4520. Remaining coaches stored
until Mar-55 when TT 9478 to 4573 and both MBTs used as ‘towing unit’
moving withdrawn units from Durnsford Road to
Strawberry Hill until stored again from Sep-55. Both however used again
similarly during between January and October 1957 prior to being sent to
Newhaven for scrapping. |
|
4560 |
As formed unit seated 360 and weighed 132¼ tons.
TT 11450 ex. withdrawn 4613. TT 11450 exchanged with 10-compartment
10322 (ex.4477) [no date], and unit then seated 370. Unit stored from
Mar-56 and TT 10322 converted to EP braking and renumbered 15041
for unit 5223 Jun-56. TT 9479 withdrawn 27‑Oct-56 and both MBTs
withdrawn 29-Dec-56, all being scrapped at Newhaven. |
|
4561 |
As formed unit seated 370 and weighed 132¼ tons. Unit
withdrawn 21-Jul-56 and TT 10467 converted to EP braking and
renumbered 15060 for unit 5242 Nov-56. Remaining three coaches all scrapped
at Newhaven. |
|
4562 |
As formed unit seated 370 and weighed 132 tons 6cwt.
Unit disbanded Jan-49 and TT 10191 to 4539. Bodywork of remaining three
coaches withdrawn 21-May-49 and broken‑up at Lancing by 28-May-49 and
their underframes used in construction of new 4 SUB vehicles:
8643 for 11337 (4639) Sep-49, 8644 for 11349 (4645) Nov-49 and 9688
for 8935 (4655) Jan-50. |
|
4563 |
As formed unit seated 370 and weighed 132¼ tons. Unit
disbanded Feb-49 and TT 10185 to 4533. Bodywork of all three 1928
coaches withdrawn 21-May-49 and broken‑up at Lancing by 4-Jun-49 and
their underframes used in construction of new 4 SUB vehicles:
8683 for 11348 (4644) Oct-49, 8849 for 11344 and 9714 for 8922
(both 4642) Oct-49. |
|
4564 |
As formed unit seated 370 and weighed 132¼ tons. Unit
withdrawn 25-Feb-56 and TT 10459 converted to EP braking and
renumbered 15036 for unit 5218 May-56. TT 9480 withdrawn 13‑Oct-56
and scrapped at Newhaven by 9‑Nov-56, both MBTs used as a ‘towing unit’
for moving condemned stock between Wimbledon Park and
Strawberry Hill from Oct-56 until Oct-58 when also scrapped at Newhaven
9‑Nov-58. |
|
4565 |
As formed unit seated 370 and weighed 131¼ tons. Unit
withdrawn 9-Jul-55 and TT 10224 exchanged with 9255 (ex.4215). Bodywork
of all four coaches broken‑up at Longhedge by
6-Aug-55 and their underframes used in construction of new 4 EPB
vehicles: 8749 for 14381 (unit no.5191) Nov-55, 9255 for 15321 (unit no.5193)
Nov-55, 9483 for 15372 (unit no.5194) Dec-55 and 9807 for 14384 (unit no.5192)
Nov-55. |
|
4566 |
As formed unit seated 370 and weighed 131¼ tons.
TT 10189 ex. withdrawn 4583. TT 10189 removed from unit 26-May-52
and converted to EP braking and renumbered 15013 for unit 5013 Aug-52.
Replaced by TT 9719 (ex.4568), an identical TT to that already in unit
and seating 100, in this form unit seated 350 and weighed
131 tons 12cwt. Unit withdrawn 2-Jul-55 and both TTs 9717 and 9719 exchanged
with 9174 and 9387 (both ex.4133). Bodywork of all four coaches broken‑up
at Longhedge by 30-Jul-55 and their underframes
used in construction of new 4 EPB vehicles: 8686 for 14378 (unit no.5189)
Nov-55 and 8852 for 14374 (unit no.5187) Oct-55, 9174 for 15317 (unit no.5189)
Nov-55 and 9387 for 15368 (unit no.5190) Nov-55. |
|
4567 |
As formed unit seated 370 and weighed 131¼ tons.
TT 10201 ex. withdrawn 4585. TT 10201 removed from unit Mar-52 and
converted to EP braking and renumbered 15009 for unit 5009 May-52.
Replaced by TT 9774 (ex.4419), a 9-compartment ex. LSWR conversion
seating 90, in this form unit seated 340. Unit withdrawn 11-Feb-56 though TT 9718 not condemned
until 13‑Oct-56 scrapped at Newhaven by 9‑Nov-56. Bodywork of
remaining three coaches broken‑up at Longhedge
by 10-Mar-56 and their underframes used in construction of new 4 EPB
vehicles: 8687 for 14457 (unit no.5229) Jul-56, 8853 for 14452 (unit no.5226)
Jul-56 and 9774 for 15415 (unit no.5227) Jul-56. |
|
4568 |
As formed unit seated 370 and weighed 131¼ tons. Unit
withdrawn 7-Jun-52 and TT 10169 converted to EP braking and
renumbered 15012 for unit 5012 Jul-52, TT 9719 to 4566. Bodywork of both
MBTs condemned 31-Jul-52 and broken‑up at Eastleigh and their
underframes used in construction of new 4 EPB vehicles: 8688 for 15398 (unit
no.5210) Mar-56 and 8854 for 15330 (unit no.5202) Jan-56, two examples of
former MBT frames being used under trailer coaches. |
|
4569 |
As formed unit seated 370 and weighed 131¼ tons. Unit
damaged c5‑52 (where?) and disbanded 17-May-52 and bodywork of
MBT 8855 broken‑up at Lancing? by 30-May-53 and underframe
stored until used in construction of new 4 EPB vehicle 15396 (unit no.5208)
Feb-56, a further use of a former MBT frame under a trailer coach.
MBT 8689 to 4573, this coach briefly replaced by damaged 8562 (ex.4573)
but this then transferred to 4418 c.6‑52. TT 10449 to 4333 and
TT 9720 to 4571. |
|
4570 |
As formed unit seated 370 and weighed 131¼ tons.
TT 10181 ex. withdrawn 4584. Unit disbanded c.Mar‑51 and
TT 10181 formed into new 4724 Apr-51. Remaining three coaches withdrawn
25-Aug-51 and bodywork broken‑up at Lancing? by 18-Aug-51, along
with the underframe of TT 9721. Both MBT underframes used in
construction of new 4 EPB vehicles: 8690 for 14081 (unit no.5041) Nov-53
and 8856 for 14089 (unit no.5045) Nov-53. |
|
4571 |
As formed unit seated 370 and weighed 131¼ tons.
TT 10174 removed from unit Jun-52 and converted to EP braking and
renumbered 15011 for unit 5011 Jun-52. Replaced by TT 9720 (ex.4569), an
identical TT to that already in unit and seating 100, in this form unit
seated 350 and weighed 131 tons 12cwt. Unit withdrawn 3-Mar-56 and TT 9720 formed into new
4502(2) Aug-56. Bodywork of both MBTs broken‑up at Longhedge
by 7-Apr-56 and their underframes used in construction of new 4 EPB
vehicles: 8692 for 14456 and 8858 for 14455 (both 5228) Jul-56. TT 9723
condemned 25-Aug-56 and scrapped (probably at Newhaven). |
|
4572 |
As formed unit seated 370 and weighed 135 tons.
TT 9345 to 4420 May-53 and replaced in Jul-53 by 9735 (ex.4536), a
similar 10-compartment ex. LBSCR conversion and unit now weighed
132¾ tons. Unit withdrawn 12-May-56 and TT 10452 converted to
EP braking and renumbered 15045 for unit 5227 Jul-56. Bodywork of both
MBTs broken‑up at Longhedge and their
underframes used in construction of new 4 EPB vehicles: 8217 for 14519 (unit
no.5260) Mar-57 and 8831 for 14515 (unit no.5258) Mar-57. TT 9735 condemned 6‑Oct-56
and scrapped (probably at Newhaven). |
|
4573 |
As formed unit seated 358 and weighed 137 tons.
TT 11454 ex. withdrawn 4606. TT 11454 removed from unit Nov-51 and
converted to EP braking and renumbered 15005 for unit 5005 Apr-52.
Replaced by TT 9772 (ex.4417), a 9-compartment ex. LSWR conversion
seating 90, in this form unit seated 340. MBT 8562 to 4418 (via 4569
briefly) c.Jun‑52 (possibly after collision damage) and replaced
by 8689 (ex.4569) and unit now weighed 136¼ tons. TT 9772 removed from unit 10-Feb-55 and bodywork broken‑up
at Longhedge by 19-Mar-55 and underframe used in
construction of new 4 EPB vehicle 15400 for unit 5212 Mar-56. Replaced
by 9478 (ex.4559), a 10-compartment ex. LBSCR conversion seating 100, in this
form unit seated 350 and weighed 133 tons 13cwt. Unit withdrawn 18-Feb-56 and bodywork of MBT 8689
broken‑up at Longhedge by 24-Mar-56 and
underframe used in construction of new 4 EPB vehicle 14461 (unit no.5231)
Aug-56. MBT 9815 and TT 9656 both formed into new unit 4501 Jul-56,
TT 9478 formed into new unit 4503 Aug-56. |
|
4574 |
As formed unit seated 370 and weighed 137 tons. Unit
disbanded 13‑Oct-51 and TT 10213 to new 4748. Remaining coaches
stored, TT 9657 exchanged with TT 9465 (ex.4551), TT 9465 body
broken‑up at Lancing by 27‑Oct-51 and underframe also scrapped
there 3‑Nov-51. Both MBTs condemned 28‑Nov-53 and their bodies
broken‑up at Lancing? by 12-Dec-53, (disposal of underframe
of MBT 9816 unknown, probably also at Lancing), underframe of MBT 8563
used in construction of new 4 EPB vehicle 15328 (unit no.5200) Dec-55, a
further example of a former MBT frame being used under a trailer coach. |
|
4575 |
As formed unit seated 370 and weighed 132 tons 6cwt.
Unit disbanded Feb-49 and TT 10190 to 4545. Bodywork of both MBTs
withdrawn 3-Sep-49 and broken‑up at Lancing by 27-Aug-49 and
TT 9694 withdrawn 3-Sep-49 and bodywork also broken‑up at Lancing
16-Sep-49 and all their underframes used in construction of new 4 SUB
vehicles: 8655 for 11376 (4658) Jan-50, 8656 for 11363 (4652) Dec-49 and 9694
for 8970 (4690) Oct-50. |
|
4576 |
As formed unit seated 370 and weighed 132¼ tons. Unit
withdrawn Aug-49 and TT 10193 to 4530. Bodywork of all three 1928
coaches withdrawn 7-Jan-50 and broken‑up at Lancing by 21-Jan-50 and
their underframes used in construction of new 4 SUB vehicles: 8673 for
12669 (4669) May-50, 8839 for 12668 (4668) May-50 and 9704 for 8953 (4673)
Jun-50. |
|
4577 |
As formed unit seated 370 and weighed 132¼ tons. Unit
disbanded Jan-49 and TT 10204 to 4547. Bodywork of all three 1928
coaches withdrawn 2-Apr-49 and broken‑up at Lancing by 23-Apr-49, both
MBT underframes used in construction of new 4 SUB vehicles:
8675 for 11325 (4633) Jul-49 and 8841 for 11321 (4631) Jul-49. Disposal
of underframe of TT 9706 unknown, possibly for 8934 (4654) Dec-49? |
|
4578 |
As formed unit seated 370 and weighed 132¼ tons. Unit
disbanded Oct-49 and TT 10195 to 4588. Bodywork of three 1927 coaches
withdrawn 18-Mar-50 and broken‑up at Lancing by 25-Mar-50 and their
underframes used in construction of new 4 SUB vehicles: 8682 for 12680
(4674) Jun-50, 8848 for 12682 and 9713 for 8955 (both 4675) Jun-50. |
|
4579 |
As formed unit seated 370 and weighed 137 tons. Unit
withdrawn 15-Aug-53 and TT 10460 converted to EP braking and
renumbered 15033 for unit 5033 Sep-53. Both MBTs stored, TT 9658 to
4520, though this coach returned Oct-54 and also stored. All three 1930
coaches were in use for training motormen at Peckham Rye from May 1955. The
unit then went to Lancing in April 1956 and was converted to 3 car instruction
unit S10 and renumbered: 8564 as DS 40, 9658 as DS 41 and 9817 as DS 42. |
|
4580 |
As formed unit seated 370 and weighed 134 tons 2cwt.
TT 10192 removed from unit Aug-53 and converted to EP braking and
renumbered 15031 for unit 5031 Aug-53. Replaced by 9639 (ex.4510) an
identical ex. SECR conversion to the remaining TT in the unit, seating 90 and
weighing 27 tons 2cwt. In this form unit seated 340 and weighed
133 tons 16cwt. Unit withdrawn 27-Mar-54 and bodywork broken‑up
at Lancing? by 24-Apr-54, and all underframes used in construction of
new 4 EPB vehicles: 8533 for 14274 (unit no.5137) Oct-54, 8534 for 14258
(unit no.5129) Aug-54, 9638 for 15205 (unit no.5127) Aug-54 and 9639 for
15256 (unit no.5128) Aug-54. |
|
4581 |
As formed unit seated 370 and weighed 132¼ tons. Unit
disbanded Aug-49 and TT 10186 to 4544. Bodywork of both MBTs withdrawn 1‑Oct-49
and broken‑up at Lancing by 8‑Oct-49, TT 9715 withdrawn
1-Apr-50 and also had bodywork broken‑up at Lancing by 8-Apr-50. All
their underframes used in construction of new 4 SUB vehicles: 8684 for
11374 (4657) Jan-50, 8850 for 11379 (4660) Feb-50 and 9715 for 8963 (4683)
Aug-50. |
|
4582 |
As formed unit seated 370 and weighed 132¼ tons. Unit
disbanded Jun-49 and TT 10188 to 4548. Bodywork of both MBTs withdrawn
6-Aug-49 and broken‑up at Lancing by 27-Aug-49, TT 9716 withdrawn
3-Apr-49 and also had bodywork broken‑up at Lancing by 10-Sep-49. All
their underframes used in construction of new 4 SUB vehicles: 8685 for
11372 (4656) Jan-50, 8851 for 11365 (4653) Dec-49 and 9716 for 8986 (4706)
Dec-50. |
|
4583 |
As formed unit seated 370 and weighed 132¼ tons. Unit
disbanded Feb-49 and TT 10189 to 4566. Bodywork of TT 9666
withdrawn 30-Apr-49 and broken‑up at Lancing by that date, bodywork of
both MBTs withdrawn and also broken‑up at Lancing by 4-Jul-49. All
their underframes used in construction of new 4 SUB vehicles: 8586 for
11352 (4646) Nov-49, 8587 for 11369 (4655) Jan-50 and 9666 for 8914 (4634)
Aug-49. |
|
4584 |
As formed unit seated 370 and weighed 132¼ tons. Unit
disbanded Jun-49 and TT 10181 to 4570. Bodywork of three 1932 coaches
withdrawn, both MBTs 23-Jul-49 and broken‑up at Lancing by 13-Aug-49
and TT 9667 10-Sep-49 and also broken‑up at Lancing by 17-Sep-49.
All their underframes used in construction of new 4 SUB vehicles: 8588
for 11357 (4649) Nov-49, 8589 for 11362 (4651) Dec-49 and 9667 for 9004
(4724) May-51. |
|
4585 |
As formed unit seated 370 and weighed 132 tons 6cwt.
Unit disbanded Jan-49 and TT 10201 to 4567. Bodywork of all three 1927
coaches withdrawn 19-Feb-49 and broken‑up at Lancing by 26-Feb-49 and
their underframes used in construction of new 4 SUB vehicles: 8617 for
11317 (4629) Jul-49, 8618 for 11310 (4625) Jun-49 and 9675 for 12377 (4637)
Sep-49. |
|
4586 |
As formed unit seated 370 and weighed 134 tons 2cwt.
TT 10184 removed from unit c7‑52 and converted to EP braking
and renumbered 15014 for unit 5014 Aug-52. Replaced by TT 9319 (ex.4184),
a 10-compartment ex. LSWR conversion seating 100, in this form unit seated
350 and weighed 133 tons 16cwt. Unit withdrawn 29-Jan-55 and bodywork of all four coaches
broken‑up at Longhedge by 26-Feb-55 and
underframes used in construction of new 4 EPB vehicles:- 8553 for 14508 (unit
no.5254) Feb-57, 8554 for 14489 (unit no.5245) Nov-56, 9319 for 15370 (unit
no.5192) Nov-55 and 9648 for 15310 (unit no.5182) Sep-55. |
|
4587 |
As formed unit seated 358 and weighed 134 tons 2cwt.
TT 11453 ex. withdrawn 4601. Unit disbanded c.May‑51 and
TT 11453 formed into new 4733 Jun-51. Bodywork of all three 1927 coaches
withdrawn 27‑Oct-51 and broken‑up at Lancing by 17‑Nov-51
and their underframes used in construction of new 4 EPB vehicles: 8501
for 14061 (unit no.5031) Aug-53, 8502 for 14063 (unit no.5032) Sep-53 and
9622 for 15127 (unit no.5027) Aug-53. |
|
4588 |
As formed unit seated 370 and weighed 134 tons 2cwt.
TT 10195 ex. withdrawn 4578. Unit disbanded 8-Dec-51 and TT 10195
to 4331. Remaining three coaches stored until their bodies broken‑up at
Eastleigh by 18-Mar-53 and their underframes used in construction of new
4 EPB vehicles: 8511 for 14076 and 9627 for 15163 (both 5038) Oct-53 and
8512 for 14091 (unit no.5046) Dec-53. |
|
4589 |
As formed unit seated 358 and weighed 134 tons 2cwt.
TT 11449 ex. withdrawn 4614. Unit disbanded 16-Jun-51 and TT 11449
formed into new 4728. Bodywork of three remaining coaches withdrawn and
broken‑up at Lancing by 1-Dec-51 and their underframes used in
construction of new 4 EPB vehicles: 8527 for 14073 (unit no.5037)
Oct-53, 8528 for 14082 (unit no.5041) Nov-53 and 9635 for 15160 (unit no.5035)
Sep-53. |
|
4590 |
As formed unit seated 348 and weighed 131¼ tons.
TT 11451 ex. withdrawn 4605. MBT 8877 removed c4‑50 and to
4532, replaced by new ‘all‑steel’ MBT 12664 seating 82, in this form
unit seated 360 and weighed 133 tons 16cwt. 12664 to new 2‑HAL
2700 Jul-54 and replaced by 8023 (ex.4153) from Sep-54, an ex. LSWR rebuilt
1915 conversion with ‘wedge end’ cab seating 80, in this form unit seated 358
and weighed 133 tons 12cwt. Unit disbanded 17-Mar-56 and TT 11451 converted to
EP braking and renumbered 15038 for unit 5220 May-56, bodywork of
remaining three coaches withdrawn and broken‑up at Longhedge
by 28-Apr-56 and their underframes used in construction of new 4 EPB
vehicles: 8023 for 14465 (unit no.5233) Sep-56, 9482 for 15420 and 9806 for
14464 (both 5232) Aug-56. |
|
4591 |
As formed unit seated 358 and weighed 135 tons 8cwt.
TT 11448 ex. withdrawn 4610. Unit damaged c.Oct-50 (possibly in
collision with 4421) and MBT 8574 and TT 11448 both exchanged
with MBT 9852 and TT 10289 (ex.4421), MBT 9852 being a 7½ compartment
coach seating 75 whilst TT 10289 was a 10-compartment augmentation
trailer seating 120, in this form unit seated 365 and weighed 137 tons. Unit disbanded 10‑Nov-51 and TT 10289 formed into
new 4750. TT 9660 to 4514 and bodywork of both MBTs withdrawn and broken
up at Lancing? by 22‑Nov-52 and their underframes used in
construction of new 4 EPB vehicles: 8575 for 14078 (unit no.5039) Oct-53
and 9852 for 14084 (unit no.5042) Nov-53. |
|
4592 |
As formed unit seated 358 and weighed 135 tons 8cwt.
TT 11452 ex. withdrawn 4603. Unit disbanded 1-Sep-51 and TT 11452
formed into new 4739. Bodywork of remaining three coaches withdrawn 13‑Oct-51
and broken‑up at Lancing by 27‑Oct-51 and their underframes used
in construction of new 4 EPB vehicles: 8576 for 14270 (unit no.5135)
Sep-54, 8577 for 14249 (unit no.5125) Jul-54 and 9661 for 15134 (unit no.5034)
Sep-53. |
|
4593 |
As formed unit seated 358 and weighed 135 tons 8cwt.
TT 11455 ex. withdrawn 4604. Unit disbanded 28-Apr-51 and TT 11455
formed into new 4723. MBT 8579 exchanged with damaged 8828 (ex.4244),
bodywork of these three both withdrawn and broken‑up at Lancing?
by 28-Jul-51 and their underframes used in construction of new 4 EPB
vehicles: 8578 for 14085 (unit no.5043) Nov-53, 8828 for 14092 (unit no.5046)
Dec-53 and 9662 for 15152 (unit no.5052) Mar-54. |
|
4594 |
As formed unit seated 358 and weighed 135 tons.
TT 11456 ex. withdrawn 4608. TT 11456 exchanged with 10376 (ex.4313)
Dec-49 after unit 4594 and 4546 damaged in collision with ‘Golden Arrow‘
outside Victoria 6.42pm 9-Dec-49, this a 10-compartment wooden roofed
augmentation trailer, in this form unit seated 370. TT 10376 to 4335
c.Oct-52, being replaced by 8-compartment 9367 (ex.4233), this coach seating
95 and including small saloon, in this form unit seated 345. Running 12 minutes late the 4.55pm
Continental Express (Golden Arrow) from Dover Marine to Victoria comprising
eight Pullman cars, luggage van and container truck coupled next to the
Battle of Britain class locomotive was traversing no.129 crossover from Up
Main to Up Relief at 10mph having been signalled into platform 8. A light engine (also a Battle of
Britain class due to collect empty stock to Stewarts Lane) travelling on the
Up Relief passed subsidiary signal no.151 at danger; the collision with the
Golden Arrow derailing it to about 35o fouling the Central
Section’s Down Local line. The smoke deflector of the derailed light engine
caught unit 4594 (6.40pm Victoria platform 9 to West Croydon train travelling
on green at 30mph) grazing the last six coaches of this 8-car train at waist
level, damaging the panelling and smashing 31 window lights. Unit withdrawn 30-Jan-54 and bodywork of all coaches broken‑up
at Lancing? by 27-Feb-54. Underframes used in construction of new
4 EPB vehicles: 8223 for 14263 (unit no.5132) Sep-54, 9301 for 15202 (unit
no.5124) Jun-54, 9367 for 15201 (unit no.5123) Jun-54 and 9822 for 14253 (unit
no.5127) Aug-54. |
|
4601 |
As formed unit seated 358 and weighed 134 tons 6cwt.
Unit disbanded May-49 and TT 11453 to 4587. Bodywork of all three 1928
coaches withdrawn, MBTs 8641 and 8642 from 23-Jul-49 and TT 9687 from
10-Sep-49 and their bodies broken‑up at Lancing, motorcoaches by
20-Aug-49 and TT 9687 by 17-Sep-49 and their underframes used in
construction of new 4 SUB and 4 EPB vehicles: 8641 for 11373 (4657)
Jan-50, 8642 for 11360 (4650) Dec-49 and 9687 for 15179 (unit no.5101)
Dec-53. |
|
4602 |
As formed unit seated 358 and weighed 132¼ tons. Unit
disbanded 3-Jul-48 and TT 11448 to 4610. Bodywork of all three 1928
coaches broken‑up at Lancing by 10-Jul-48 and their underframes used in
construction of new 4 SUB vehicles: 8676 for 11354 (4647) Nov-49, 8842
for 11346 (4643) Oct-49 and 9707 for 12361 (4621) May-49. |
|
4603 |
As formed unit seated 358 and weighed 134 tons 6cwt.
Unit disbanded Feb-49 and TT 11452 to 4592. Bodywork of all three 1928
coaches withdrawn 2-Jul-49 and broken‑up at Lancing by that date and
their underframes used in construction of new 4 SUB vehicles: 8623 for
11351 (4646) Nov-49, 8624 for 11370 (4655) Jan-50 and 9678 for 12384 (4644)
Oct-49. |
|
4604 |
As formed unit seated 358 and weighed 134 tons 6cwt.
Unit disbanded May-49 and TT 11455 to 4593. Bodywork of all three 1928
coaches withdrawn 3-Sep-49 and broken‑up at Lancing by 10-Sep-49 and
their underframes used in construction of new 4 SUB vehicles: 8645 for
11371 (4656) Jan-50, 8646 for 11367 (4654) Jan-50 and 9689 for 8994 (4714)
Jan-51. |
|
4605 |
As formed unit seated 358 and weighed 134 tons 6cwt.
Unit disbanded Feb-49 and TT 11451 to 4590. Bodywork of all three 1928
coaches withdrawn 7-May-49 and broken‑up at Lancing by 14-May-49 and
their underframes used in construction of new 4 SUB vehicles: 8627 for
11330 and 9680 for 8915 (both 4635) Aug-49, 8628 for 11338 (4639) Sep-49. |
|
4606 |
As formed unit seated 358 and weighed 134 tons 6cwt.
Unit disbanded Feb-49 and TT 11454 to 4573. Bodywork of remaining three
coaches withdrawn, both MBTs from 16-Jul-49 and bodies broken‑up at
Lancing by 23-Jul-49 and TT 9692 withdrawn 10-Sep-49 and also broken‑up
at Lancing by 24-Sep-49 and their underframes used in construction of new
4 SUB and 4 EPB vehicles: 8651 for 11356 (4648) Nov-49, 8652 for 11378
(4659) Feb-50 and 9692 for 15169 (unit no.5044) Nov-53. |
|
4607 |
As formed unit seated 358 and weighed 132¼ tons. Unit in
collision with 4442 at Crayford 11-Feb-48 and withdrawn 21-Feb-48. MBT 8595
damaged and body broken-up on site, underframe cut‑up at Lancing
3-Apr-48. TT 11456 to 4608, TT 9670 to 4257. MBT 8594 stored until
withdrawn 2‑Oct-48 and bodywork broken‑up at Lancing by 9‑Oct-48
and the underframe used in construction of new 4 SUB vehicle 11375
(4658) Jan-50. |
|
4608 |
As formed unit seated 358 and weighed 134 tons 6cwt.
TT 11456 ex. withdrawn 4607. Unit disbanded Mar-49 and TT 11456 to
4594. Bodywork of all three 1928 coaches withdrawn, both MBTs from 6-Aug-49
and broken‑up at Lancing by 20-Aug-49 and TT 9695 from 3-Sep-49
and also broken‑up at Lancing by 10-Sep-49 and their underframes used
in construction of new 4 SUB vehicles: 8657 for 11366 (4653) Dec-49,
8658 for 11381 (4661) Feb-50 and 9695 for 8973 (4693) Sep-50. |
|
4610 |
As formed unit seated 358 and weighed 134 tons 6cwt.
TT 11448 ex. withdrawn 4602. Unit disbanded Feb-49 and TT 11448 to
4591. Bodywork of all three 1928 coaches withdrawn 14-May-49 and broken‑up
at Lancing by 21-May-49 and their underframes used in construction of new
4 SUB vehicles: 8649 for 11339 (4640) Oct-49, 8650 for 11341 (4641)
Oct-49 and 9691 for 12392 (4652) Dec-49. |
|
4613 |
As formed unit seated 358 and weighed 134 tons 6cwt.
Unit disbanded Aug-49 and TT 11450 to 4560. Bodywork of all three 1928
coaches withdrawn 7-Jan-50 and broken‑up at Lancing by 21-May-50 and
their underframes used in construction of new 4 SUB vehicles: 8659 for
12665 and 8660 for 12666 (both 4667) May-50 and 9696 for 8948 (4668) May-50. |
|
4614 |
As formed unit seated 358 and weighed 134 tons 6cwt.
Unit disbanded Feb-49 and TT 11449 to 4589. Bodywork of all three 1928
coaches withdrawn 26-Feb-49 and broken‑up at Lancing by 5-Mar-49 and
their underframes used in construction of new 4 SUB vehicles: 8661 for
11314 (4627) Jun-49, 8662 for 11305 (4623) May-49 and 9697 for 12369 (4629)
Jul-49. |
This batch of units was formed between July 1956 and January
1957 by utilising vehicles from withdrawn units, these vehicles all being from
the batches rebuilt onto lengthened former ‘AC’ underframes when converted in
1929 and 1930.
These units were all formed after the change from third to
second class throughout BR from 3rd June 1956 and the vehicles
were therefore now designated as Motor Brake Seconds (MBS) and Trailer Seconds
(TS).
All except three coach bodies were of ex. LBSCR origin, unit
4501 having two ex. LSWR coaches, the remaining one being formed in unit no.4511,
both these units having differing seating capacities as a result. The remaining
units all consisted of an 8-compartment MBS, two 10-compartment TSs and a
7-compartment MBS and therefore seated 350 second. Unit no.4501 had two
7-compartment MBSs this unit therefore seating 340. All units weighed 129 tons
12cwt and were 257' 5" long overall, except 4501 which weighed 131 tons
and 4511 which weighed 130¼ tons. Following withdrawal, all coaches were
scrapped shortly afterwards at Newhaven.
These units were used as a stopgap to cover the final phase of
the renewal of the suburban fleet which involved the rebuilding of thirty-four
former 2 NOL units as 2 EPB units for the Waterloo to Windsor and
Weybridge service, though they were used throughout the suburban system. Unit
4501 was the last unit to run in traffic with coaches with pre‑grouping
bodywork. Following withdrawal, units were stripped of electrical equipment at
Strawberry Hill and hauled to Newhaven for scrapping shortly afterwards.
Unit formations were as follows, with the date of formation
below the unit number, and the number of the donor unit below each vehicle
number.
|
Unit |
MBS |
TS |
TS |
MBS |
Withdrawn |
|
Diag. No. |
695 |
773 |
760 |
697 |
|
|
4501 |
8895 |
9730 |
9656113 |
9815114 |
2-Jan-60 |
|
|
(8-comp.) |
|
|
|
|
|
Diag. No. |
678 |
761 |
761 |
695 |
|
|
4502 |
8733 |
9720 |
9467 |
8891 |
21-Nov-59 |
|
Diag. No. |
|
|
|
694 |
|
|
4503 |
8718 |
9733 |
|
8868 |
22-Aug-59 |
|
Diag. No. |
|
|
|
693 |
|
|
4504 |
8721 |
9463 |
9724 |
8859 |
24-Oct-59 |
|
Diag. No. |
|
|
|
695 |
|
|
4505 |
8736 |
9461 |
9470 |
8894 |
27-Jun-59 |
|
Diag. No. |
|
|
|
694 |
|
|
4506 |
8717 |
9748 |
9719 |
|
2-Jan-60 |
|
Diag. No. |
|
773 |
|
|
|
|
4507 |
8703 |
9728 |
9731 |
|
12-Sep-59 |
|
Diag. No. |
675 |
761 |
|
693 |
|
|
4508 |
8707 |
9472 |
9738 |
8873 |
12-Dec-59 |
|
Diag. No. |
678 |
|
|
694 |
|
|
4509 |
8712 |
9726 |
9743 |
8878 |
7-Nov-59 |
|
Diag. No. |
|
|
|
693 |
|
|
4510 |
|
9725 |
9746 |
8860 |
12-Dec-59 |
|
Diag. No. |
|
|
760 |
694 |
|
|
4511 |
8731 |
9737 |
9657 [1] |
8889 |
2-Jan-60 |
|
Diag. No. |
675 |
|
761 |
693 |
|
|
4512 |
8708 |
9729 |
9739 |
8874 |
28-Nov-59 |
|
Diag. No. |
678 |
|
|
695 |
|
|
4513 |
8722 |
9475 |
9464 |
8888 |
14-Nov-59 |
|
Diag. No. |
|
|
|
694 |
|
|
4514 |
8701 |
9747 |
9732 |
8867 |
3-Oct-59 |
|
Diag. No. |
675 |
|
|
695 |
|
|
4515 |
8694 |
9462 |
9473 |
8897 |
7-Nov-59 |
|
Diag. No. |
678 |
|
|
|
|
|
4516 |
8734 |
9734 |
9468 |
8892 |
24-Oct-59 |
|
4517 |
8742 |
9476 |
9727 |
8900 |
31-Oct-59 |
|
Diag. No. |
|
773 |
|
694 |
|
|
4518 |
8705 |
9741 |
9736 |
8871 |
25-Oct-58 |
|
Notes: |
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|
113 = Ex. LSWR
conversion. 114 = Ex. LSWR
conversion. |
115 = 8-compt. MBS, Diagram 678. |
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|
Individual Unit Notes |
|
|
4503 |
TS 9749 withdrawn c.Aug‑56 and scrapped at Newhaven
|
|
4505 |
Unit withdrawn 27‑Jun‑59
and both trailers scrapped at Newhaven Sep‑59. Both MBS coaches 8736
and 8894 used as a ‘towing unit’ unit at Durnsford
Road until withdrawn May‑60 and scrapped at Newhaven Jul‑60. |
|
4506 |
MBS 8883 withdrawn 19‑Apr‑58
during units' final overhaul and scrapped at Newhaven May‑58 (formed
into 4300). Replaced by 8-compartment 8719 (ex.4339), unit now seating 360. |
|
4507 |
Unit withdrawn 12‑Sep‑59
and MBS 8866 exchanged with 8739 (ex.4510) prior to scrapping. |
|
4510 |
8-compartment MBS 8739 exchanged with
7-compartment MBS 8866 (ex.4507) Sep‑59. In this form unit seated 340. |
May 1963 and condemned de-icing unit 90 (ex.4557) at Hove
station en-route to Newhaven behind an unidentified N-class
(with slope-sided tender). Motor coach 8899 is nearest, 8741 furthest from the
photographer. The de-icing shoe beam brackets can be seen on 8899 as can the
mirror hoods on the side of 8741. The two trailer coaches are not identified;
these having been inserted into the unit as the simplest means of conveying
them to Newhaven for scrapping.
The first
self-propelled de-icing units were formed in 1957 when two units were made-up
during March and April. These units were formed using pairs of motor coaches
from disbanded 4 SUB units 4531 and 4557, both withdrawn during the latter
part of 1956.
These motor
coaches consisted of ex-LBSCR bodies mounted on lengthened former ‘AC’ stock
underframes which had been rebuilt thus during 1929/30 for the ‘Central
Section’ electrification. All the bodies had been built for the ‘CW’ stock (one
during 1914, one during 1923 and two in 1924) with new cabs and brakevans added during conversion to DC in 1929/30.
Two were 8-compartment
former motor brake thirds and two were 7-compartment former motor brake
composites, though these had been downgraded to third class during 1941. All
the coaches weighed 38 tons 19 cwt and following withdrawal of
the 4 SUB units two were stored whilst those of unit 4557 were used as a
depot towing unit.
Conversion work
was carried out at Stewarts Lane and involved removal of all the internal
compartment partitions to provide space for the fitting of the de-icing fluid
tanks and equipment. Shoebeams were fitted to both
the unpowered bogies for the fluid spreading shoes, but there was little other
alteration to the bodies which retained their appearance, though a number of
the side doors were sealed closed.
A 45° sloping
hood covering a mirror was fitted in place of one of the ¼ light windows
on each bodyside to allow the operator to observe the de-icing shoes if
required. The coaches retained green livery and were renumbered as DS 347 ‑ DS
350 and the two units were given the unit numbers S90 and S91.
Overall these
units were 129' 6" long overall and weighed about 80 tons. They
were an advance over the previous de-icing trailer coaches as they did not need
to be marshalled between two traffic units to operate, and they had a high
power-to-weight ratio to assist operation in difficult weather conditions. Both
retained their electro-magnetic control systems and EE 339 motors.
In view of their
lengthened underframes, these units did not have very long lives, they were
initially allocated to Fratton depot and both were
out of use at Gillingham depot during the summer of 1960, with S91 being at
Brighton by winter 1960/61. Both were officially withdrawn 30th December
1961 although owing to severe weather conditions, one was used again overnight
31‑Dec‑61. Both were then sent to Strawberry Hill for stripping of
equipment 23rd January 1962 prior to disposal for scrapping at
Newhaven during /after May 1963.
The
table below shows the unit formation, with the original coach number shown in
brackets below the departmental number allocated.
|
Unit |
MBS |
MBS |
Ex. unit |
Converted |
Withdrawn |
Scrapped |
|
S90 |
DS 347 |
DS 347 |
4557 |
Apr-57 |
30-Dec-61 |
c.May-63 |
|
S91 |
DS 349 |
DS 350 |
4531 |
Mar-57 |
30-Dec-61 |
c.May-63 |
No
ready-to-run models of augmented SUB units are known to exist although 4mm kits
are available.
Unit no.4424
|
|
|
Unit no.4428
|
|
|
|
Thanks go to research author John Atkinson,
webpage author, editorial and additional information from C.Watts
along with the many photographers listed below their images. |
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